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Title: Trump Responds to "Tough, Nasty" Question About "Zionist Israel" During Town Hall Q & A
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URL Source: http://libertyfight.com/2016/trump-asked-about-zionist-israel.html
Published: Jul 4, 2016
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Post Date: 2016-07-04 04:52:51 by Artisan
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On Thursday, June 30, 2016 at a campaign event in Manchester, New Hampshire, a man at the town hall told Donald Trump he's "opposed to wasting our military in the Middle East on behalf of Zionist Israel." Trump replied "Israel is a very, very important ally of the United States and we are going to protect them 100%. 100%. It's our true friend over there." Later, Trump added "That was a tough question on Israel. That was nasty. Whoa." The man who asked about "Zionist Israel" also said"I'm opposed to the murder of unborn babies being legal," to which Trump replied "We are with you." Watch the video here:
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#1. To: Artisan (#0)
Hypothetical...what if someone working for Saudi Arabia attacks Israel...? see why I never get to be on tv? :) "We need more H-1B visas, because source code is rotting in the fields." - Countenance Blog
"We need more H-1B visas, because source code is rotting in the fields." - Countenance Blog
what was "nasty" about the polite old guy's question?
"Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28
Tough to handle, like a nasty curveball is hard to hit.
“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken
I agree with the old guy on the 2nd question but not the first.
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that really surprises me, do you want to elaborate? "Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28
Do you support our giving away our blood and money to and for the zionists?
“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken
His first question was abortion. I disagreed with him on banning abortions. His second statement was on supporting Israel. He was opposed to wars for Israel as am I. The Truth of 911 Shall Set You Free From The Lie
That has always been a touchy subject. A total ban on abortions would be too harsh since there are times when a woman cannot be expected to bear a child. If there are congenital problems or the pregnancy is from a rape, abortion should be considered. But then I went to High School with a kid. He got his girlfriend pregnant and they had to drop out. ;) "When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke
I didn't watch the video; just took the questions as they were posted.
“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken
His first question was abortion. I disagreed with him on banning abortions. yeah I know, I follow along pretty well, but like I said that surprises me. do you want to elaborate on the topic? "Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28
lod even I watched it. please watch the vid its great only one minute and a half.
"Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28
That has always been a touchy subject. A total ban on abortions would be too harsh since there are times when a woman cannot be expected to bear a child. If there are congenital problems or the pregnancy is from a rape, abortion should be considered. I understand rape is a terrible crime but why sentence an innocent to death over it? abortion should not be legal, period. any mind-twisting or attempted justification for infanticide is straight from hell. it really is as simple as that. :-) "Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28
Absolutely nothing. It was just another ORANGE ALERT www.youtube.com/watch? v=wKf8PeQKRm8 Trump is a liar and enthusiastic new world orderly at such times. I'm back to having no use for him at all as long as dreck like Gingrich and Christie are under consideration as VP. _____________________________________________________________ THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN US AND THEM - gliberals and 80% of Amurricans - is that they go by the surface of things whereas we probe their reality. The surface of things is what the toxic mass media dish up, a totally contrived matrix of their wishful thinking and their commie-Jew dogma.
Regardless of how we fell about it, isn't Rump just flim-flamming again -- I tho't he was kind pro-abortion? Or pro-choice as liberals lyingly and evasively put it, sometimes prostituting the term as a noun. _____________________________________________________________ THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN US AND THEM - gliberals and 80% of Amurricans - is that they go by the surface of things whereas we probe their reality. The surface of things is what the toxic mass media dish up, a totally contrived matrix of their wishful thinking and their commie-Jew dogma.
Gingrich is not being considered for VP anywhere except in the press. Trump turned him down along with Adelson's $200 million. I am more interested in the Trump movement than I am in Trump. The Mexicans might shoot him. But his people in the next admin would be far better than Hillary's when the Dollar Dies.
The Truth of 911 Shall Set You Free From The Lie
Or pro-choice as liberals lyingly and evasively put it, sometimes prostituting the term as a noun. yes, thanks for paying attention. trump is and has always been openly pro abortion, even in front of a large crowd of trumpeteers a few months ago he reiterated this. the witless, desperate people don't care. (not that the president would affect abortion laws anyway)., although it is a great litmus test to gauge the decency of any human. Trump does and has always changed his positions from day to day and moment to moment, depending on which way the wind is blowing. "Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28
any mind-twisting or attempted justification for infanticide is straight from hell. it really is as simple as that. :-) Would you oppose giving rape victims a morning after pill to prevent conception before the swimmer even makes it to home base?
Is it that simple? C'est formidable! _____________________________________________________________ THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN US AND THEM - gliberals and 80% of Amurricans - is that they go by the surface of things whereas we probe their reality. The surface of things is what the toxic mass media dish up, a totally contrived matrix of their wishful thinking and their commie-Jew dogma.
Would you oppose giving rape victims a morning after pill to prevent conception before the swimmer even makes it to home base? I agree that is a specific distinction, since conception has not occurred, supposedly, but even that is not cut and dried. (see below.) The short answer is yes, I oppose RU486. Because catholics are not against 'contraception' depending on whether or not conception has occurred, they are against contraception because it is inserting human will and interest in place of God's. I should note that I am referring to the actual catholic teaching, not what a large majority of cafeteria catholics spout or practice. Natural family planning which involves abstinence at times is actually accepted and taught by parishes worldwide. imagine that! having to abstain periodically instead of using a rubber or death pills! :-) An RU486/PG induced abortion can take days, weeks, or never happen at all. It typically involves three (or more) visits to the doctor's office over a two week period. In her first visit, a woman is "counseled," given a physical examination, perhaps an ultrasound, and if there are no obvious contraindications (common red flags such as high blood pressure, diabetes, heavy smoking, allergies, etc. that could make taking the drug deadly or dangerous for her), she is given the RU486 pills, which she takes in the presence of the abortionist. Two days later, during a second visit to the doctor's office, she is given the prostaglandin, which she takes orally or has inserted vaginally. Gradually, as the drug begins to take effect, she experiences powerful, painful uterine contractions which begin to work to expel the baby. In U.S. trials, about half (49%) aborted during the four hours they spent waiting in the doctor's office following the administration of the prostaglandin. An additional 26 % aborted sometime over the next 20 hours, on the bus ride home, at work, in the shower, etc. The rest who aborted did so at some point during the following two weeks. Between 8% and 23% (depending on how many weeks pregnant the mother was) never completely aborted or didn't abort at all using the drugs. A third visit some 14 days from the woman's initial visit allows the doctor to confirm whether or not the abortion has been completed. If it hasn't, the abortionist will encourage the woman to undergo a surgical abortion to guard against the possibility that she will give birth to a child who may have been injured by the drugs. RU 486 abortion pill unsafe despite media reports http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/ru_486_abortion_pill_uns afe_despite_media_reports/ Washington D.C., Aug 17, 2007 / 09:40 am (CNA).- A recent study appearing in the August 16 issue of the New England Journal of Medicine reports that the abortion drug RU486 is as safe as having a surgical abortion. However, the study is being spun in favor of the abortion industry by the mainstream media. The study has concluded that the risk to future pregnancies after a RU486 abortion versus a surgical abortion is equal. Journalists have interpreted the finding to mean that the abortion drug is safe, when in fact, neither is ever safe. It is a leap in logic to say that both methods are safe, says Operation Rescue Senior Policy Advisor Cheryl Sullenger. "Women are dying at an alarming rate from RU486 abortions and its widespread misuse in the abortion industry,” she told LifeSiteNews.com. "Women who have had abortions have greater risks of miscarriage and infertility than women who have not had abortions,” she added. Sullenger noted that the study did not compare women who had RU486 abortions with women who did not have any abortions. “It is no accident that the study refused to compare these two groups of women, because we know they would have found that abortion hurts women, and that is obviously a conclusion that they did not want to reach," Sullenger was quoted as saying. RU486 is a drug approved for aborting children who are at six weeks or less in their development. Three office visits are usually required for this kind of abortion. Some reports indicate that RU486 has a 15% failure rate, and that many women who receive the drug must also have a surgical abortion to completely remove the pre-born baby and other pregnancy tissue. "Hiding the possibility of RU486's life-threatening dangers from women really shows that there is more concern [among the media] for selling abortions than for protecting and informing women,” Sullenger continued. “This misinformation campaign is really a horrific thing when you think about it that could needlessly cost women's lives." "Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28
If The Duck even hints at a lack of enthusiastic support for our non-Christian brothers and sisters he'd disappear from TV (for people who still use rabbit ears) and be reduced to a tarred and feathered non starter who somehow slipped into the program before being exposed as wholly unqualified, for those who are fed cable/satellite propaganda. I don't understand why some presumably grownup people believe that any candidate can remain viable after revealing a lack of support for the Zio-Crim-Haven-Cartel. That would be like promising to dump paperless electronic voting machines if elected. Hell, a single contractor could then decide who isn't going to be president, and Israel has much more influence than those who've dutifully predetermined the winners of our last several elections. As an example, after Paddy O'Buchanan won the New Hampshire primary, a childhood acquaintance suddenly surfaced and tearfully attested to Buchanan calling him a "kike" when they were both 8 years young! The mention of this was the kiss of death of course. And, how do I know this? Former Dem. Senator Robert Byrd was a Klansman, but he was "rehabilitated and forgiven". His misspent youth was never mentioned and he never waivered in his support for munny, guns and more munny for The You Know Hudis. But the unrepentant Pat Buchanan (and David Duke) could never be permitted to affect the bottomless cornucopia of earmarked boodle for our bestest buddies in the Middle East. "Everyday Is Hannukah" thanks to the generosity of congress, and Americans who pay a hidden and thus inescapable tribute with nearly every purchase.
Well, If The Church becomes the overriding authority on such legislation, then what about "the wall of separation"? Actually, in a letter to the Danbury Baptists in 1802, President Jefferson wrote that "....there ought to be a wall of separation between church and state". Perhaps so, but his words only confirmed that no such wall existed. The first amendment bound the govt from "respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof...." It did not prevent men of moral strength (or excessive zeal) from agitating for whatever changes they could effect by terrifying politicians-for-life seeking re-election. But, federal judges don't fear the electorate, and they have decided that a woman's body is first and foremost her own private property, and not subject to legislation from politicians who are terrified by religious voting blocs. And I happen to believe that with the current state of immorality in Washington, S.G. (Sodom & Gomorrah) that "If men got pregnant then abortion would be a sacrament". The voices of religion would have no more success at trying to outlaw abortion than they would at trying to impose term limits on congress. If a little bit of religion in govt is good, then a lot is better, right? If by some act of Allah (pbuh) the US becomes a majority Muslim country, could you as a minority Catholic oppose sharia law and demand that your Church remain the de facto prevailing religious authority? Congress is already overreaching as it expands govt oversight and authority into our lives. Do we really need moral relativists, Rasputins and self styled Lotharios-serial rapist Clinton types probing our lifestyles to determine if we're safe from eternal damnation? (Penetration is sin but a BJ in the Oval Office is Heavenly!") Even the guillotining of doctors who perform abortions would never close the door for powerful people in the Beltway (or Wall Street or Hollywood) who require discreet terminations. (Picture an alternate history where Denise Rich called Bill Clinton for "a favor for a friend") Even if they're performed in a Capitol clinic (to assure the privacy of full figured govt secretaries and teenaged house and senate pages. For the rich and powerful there's no difference between an abortion and a D&C) the legal proscription would only affect and oppress the poor and powerless, just as the laws did before Roe v Wade. The same religious voices that agitated for those laws never seemed to object to the escape chutes built in for the politicians who passed those laws. Now, why was that? I believe that politicians who do the bidding of activist Churchians are free to sin like Hell, as are the pontificating hypocrites whose empires would be flattened by exposure of their sins. But, let some poor jigaboo or white trash topless dancer seek an abortion and, Hellfire and Damnation!
Every time I ask some Catholic or funnymentalist parent whether they use birth control, they clam up. They're certainly not having kids like the Hasidim -- that would be a heroic level of self-restraint over decades!?! _____________________________________________________________ THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN US AND THEM - gliberals and 80% of Amurricans - is that they go by the surface of things whereas we probe their reality. The surface of things is what the toxic mass media dish up, a totally contrived matrix of their wishful thinking and their commie-Jew dogma.
Yeah, G_D wanted that woman to suffer a violent, life destroying rape and who is she to second guess The Almighty in such matters? A single sperm from an 85-IQ shitskin that doesn't end up in a down low ass is worth more than all of the women in the world, regardless of any specious assertion of a "woman's right to be free from forced pregnancy like a dairy cow." She should be forced to carry a genetically predisposed to violence sperm to term even if she dies in childbirth lest she offend those who bury their secrets in Church and convent basements, and catacombs. And, while they're at it why don't they force those women to breastfeed their unwanted near nig children? To deny those future ersatz Democrat-criminals the benefits of colostrum is racist! The children's health is paramount, at least until they begin injecting AIDS, HEP C, etc.,. And if a gifted kid makes the varsity football team then his mother should be available to feed him at half time, to improve his chances for the draft! Who cares what some Caucasian cow wants for her life? And, former altar boys who bled from their rectums years ago should take the settlements and sign the non disclosure agreements, because that too is G_D's will. One Louisiana Archdiocese paid out a billion dollars in hush munny so The Church could continue to keep G_D's promise to the faithful.
Our best "ally" tried to sink the U.S.S. Liberty in 1967. The Liberty, a lightly armed intelligence vessel, was off the coast of the Sinai during the 1967 Arab-Israeli War and she picked up intelligence that the Israelis massacred 3,000 Egyptian prisoners in the Sinai. At first we thought it was the Egyptians that attacked the ship. They were going to nuke Cairo, but they found out it was the Israelis that attacked the ship. LBJ said, "That ship needs to go to the bottom." There were over 50 sailors killed and 150 wounded. They gave the Captain of the ship, McGonagle, the Medal of Honor in a private ceremony. All this from "our best ally". ;) "When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke
But, do you know why the U.S. invaded Iraq? It wasn't because the Iraqis invaded Kuwait and stole their oil. The U.S. invaded Iraq because Saddam was accepting Euros in payment for Iraqi oil. This violated the U.S. policy of "dollar supremacy". Saddam had to go. ;) "When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke
well actually, justifying widespread legal abortion with an extremely rare 'hypothetical' of women who get pregnant from rape does not hold water, in my opinion. It is up to each individual and their conscience what they would do in such a situation so I am not worried about it. I only replied since you asked. I do not believe in infanticide because it is murder. Murderers who do not repent will spend eternity in hell. That is not a good thing. "Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28
well it certainly is an interesting topic. widespread birth control has been promoted by the likes of ghoul bush senior and his ilk for years. the power that be have been very successful, resulting in a plummeting birth rate. so I think its kind of funny when white power folks whine that the Mexicans are out- birthing them. also I believe that fertility rates in general have dropped substantially for a number of reasons, so this contributes to it. "Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28
Whom did GHWB successfully promote contraception to -- Africa? You'd disagree with that in other words? www.mcclatchydc.com/news/nation- world/world/article24566695.html And you think white power people shouldn't complain about the invaders' prolificity, is that it? Rivero keeps saying they're having less kids and blaming it on GMO corn -- you know the Mexicanos and their tortillas. Every cloud has a silver lining :-] _____________________________________________________________ THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN US AND THEM - gliberals and 80% of Amurricans - is that they go by the surface of things whereas we probe their reality. The surface of things is what the toxic mass media dish up, a totally contrived matrix of their wishful thinking and their commie-Jew dogma.
To the entire world. George H.W. Bush: Evil Population Control Ghoul - Rubbers Goes to Congress Yes,. Bush is a freemason, a Satanist and arch criminal. I don't agree with him or the likes of him on anything. Also: The people who complain about whites not having kids should realize that that is by their own stupid choice. birth control, abortion and selfishness. it is pathetic. "Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28
So you're not going to agree with Bush about anything, even if he's right, and you think it's stupid to be alarmed by "immigrants" breeding like rabbits? Just trying to get the picture. Nobody's commenting on my thesis that by all powers of deduction, good Catholics have to be using lots of birth control :-) _____________________________________________________________ Bush is not right . since he is a Satanist, he by definition can not be right. and no, abortion and population control is not right and has never been, with conservatives. a Catholic who uses artificial birth control is being selfish, hedonistic, and is playing God,. they are committing a mortal sin. That is not good. "Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28
Oh, God -- not that. Not you! This is like when W started his genocide. Merely because he was Republican, half the otherwise intelligent people I knew fanatically supported it regardless of previous sanity levels. More than one told me "WE CAN'T AGREE WITH THE DEMOCRATS ABOUT ANYTHING" even if it means a million dead Iraqis and thousands of "body bags". A stopt clock is right twice a day -- nobody can lie about literally everything?!?! 98% of all-American Catholic wives are damning themselves to 500 years in purgatory by not using the rithm method :-3 https://www.guttmacher.org/article/2012/02/guttmacher-statistic-catholic- womens-contraceptive-use (I'm your 2-legged mosquito, huh, Art :-) _____________________________________________________________ Is having tubes tied OK with the Church?
“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken
It is up to each individual and their conscience what they would do in such a situation so I am not worried about it. I only replied since you asked. I do not believe in infanticide because it is murder. Murderers who do not repent will spend eternity in hell. That is not a good thing. Well, women and advocates need not justify it because it's an absolute privacy right. (If one had to justify the exercise of rights they'd be privileges). And, your gratuitous use of the term "murder" only promotes moral confusion. CA has the best definition: CA Penal Code Sec. 187: "The unlawful killing of a human being, or a fetus, with malice." A legal abortion is not murder. You may believe it to be the moral equivalent of murder, but your opinion stops at the edge of her right to privacy and the right to control her own reproductive system. (Some animal activists believe that "meat is murder" They find the word equally self serving in framing an otherwise losing argument) There is no disputing that abortion has become the escape chute for millions of irresponsible people, but, strong govt breeds weak citizens, and nothing good can come from religious Jihadists in control of our country.
Please excuse the out of sync reply but I agree. Every election it's the same thing-a choice between one of the last peeps I'd want as prez and the last perthun I'd vote for.
Three I wanted: Ross Perot, Ron Paul, and now Trump. I hope that my track record improves this time.
“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken
just to clarify bud, you cant damn yourself to purgatory. the souls in purgatory are not damned. if you make it to purgatory, yes you have to make reparation there, )hence why Jesus says to "pray for the dead.") but if one makes it to purgatory, they are not damned. they are far from damned. they have made it to heaven. some saints have described purgatory as a hell with a hope. whereas if someone dies in the state of mortal sin, there is no hope. its over. people condemned to hell have no hope. now these days many people do not believe that satan exists or that there is a hell. "why, how could a loving benevolent God send souls to hell!?" they cry. Yes God is a loving God but He is a just God too. the lie that satan and hell does not exist is the biggest lie people fall for. It is very sad. "Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28
No. that is essentially the same thing except even worse because it is permanent (except in the case of if it an be reversed.) Here is the actual catechism on that which is quite interesting. http ://www.vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/archive/catechism/p3s2c2a6.htm The fecundity of marriage 2366 Fecundity is a gift, an end of marriage, for conjugal love naturally tends to be fruitful. A child does not come from outside as something added on to the mutual love of the spouses, but springs from the very heart of that mutual giving, as its fruit and fulfillment. So the Church, which is "on the side of life,"151 teaches that "it is necessary that each and every marriage act remain ordered per se to the procreation of human life."152 "This particular doctrine, expounded on numerous occasions by the Magisterium, is based on the inseparable connection, established by God, which man on his own initiative may not break, between the unitive significance and the procreative significance which are both inherent to the marriage act."153 2367 Called to give life, spouses share in the creative power and fatherhood of God.154 "Married couples should regard it as their proper mission to transmit human life and to educate their children; they should realize that they are thereby cooperating with the love of God the Creator and are, in a certain sense, its interpreters. They will fulfill this duty with a sense of human and Christian responsibility."155 2368 A particular aspect of this responsibility concerns the regulation of procreation. For just reasons, spouses may wish to space the births of their children. It is their duty to make certain that their desire is not motivated by selfishness but is in conformity with the generosity appropriate to responsible parenthood. Moreover, they should conform their behavior to the objective criteria of morality: When it is a question of harmonizing married love with the responsible transmission of life, the morality of the behavior does not depend on sincere intention and evaluation of motives alone; but it must be determined by objective criteria, criteria drawn from the nature of the person and his acts criteria that respect the total meaning of mutual self-giving and human procreation in the context of true love; this is possible only if the virtue of married chastity is practiced with sincerity of heart.156 2369 "By safeguarding both these essential aspects, the unitive and the procreative, the conjugal act preserves in its fullness the sense of true mutual love and its orientation toward man's exalted vocation to parenthood."157 2370 Periodic continence, that is, the methods of birth regulation based on self-observation and the use of infertile periods, is in conformity with the objective criteria of morality.158 These methods respect the bodies of the spouses, encourage tenderness between them, and favor the education of an authentic freedom. In contrast, "every action which, whether in anticipation of the conjugal act, or in its accomplishment, or in the development of its natural consequences, proposes, whether as an end or as a means, to render procreation impossible" is intrinsically evil:159 Thus the innate language that expresses the total reciprocal self-giving of husband and wife is overlaid, through contraception, by an objectively contradictory language, namely, that of not giving oneself totally to the other. This leads not only to a positive refusal to be open to life but also to a falsification of the inner truth of conjugal love, which is called upon to give itself in personal totality. . . . The difference, both anthropological and moral, between contraception and recourse to the rhythm of the cycle . . . involves in the final analysis two irreconcilable concepts of the human person and of human sexuality.160 2371 "Let all be convinced that human life and the duty of transmitting it are not limited by the horizons of this life only: their true evaluation and full significance can be understood only in reference to man's eternal destiny."161 2372 The state has a responsibility for its citizens' well-being. In this capacity it is legitimate for it to intervene to orient the demography of the population. This can be done by means of objective and respectful information, but certainly not by authoritarian, coercive measures. The state may not legitimately usurp the initiative of spouses, who have the primary responsibility for the procreation and education of their children.162 In this area, it is not authorized to employ means contrary to the moral law. The gift of a child 2373 Sacred Scripture and the Church's traditional practice see in large families a sign of God's blessing and the parents' generosity.163 2374 Couples who discover that they are sterile suffer greatly. "What will you give me," asks Abraham of God, "for I continue childless?"164 And Rachel cries to her husband Jacob, "Give me children, or I shall die!"165 2375 Research aimed at reducing human sterility is to be encouraged, on condition that it is placed "at the service of the human person, of his inalienable rights, and his true and integral good according to the design and will of God."166 2376 Techniques that entail the dissociation of husband and wife, by the intrusion of a person other than the couple (donation of sperm or ovum, surrogate uterus), are gravely immoral. These techniques (heterologous artificial insemination and fertilization) infringe the child's right to be born of a father and mother known to him and bound to each other by marriage. They betray the spouses' "right to become a father and a mother only through each other."167 2377 Techniques involving only the married couple (homologous artificial insemination and fertilization) are perhaps less reprehensible, yet remain morally unacceptable. They dissociate the sexual act from the procreative act. The act which brings the child into existence is no longer an act by which two persons give themselves to one another, but one that "entrusts the life and identity of the embryo into the power of doctors and biologists and establishes the domination of technology over the origin and destiny of the human person. Such a relationship of domination is in itself contrary to the dignity and equality that must be common to parents and children."168 "Under the moral aspect procreation is deprived of its proper perfection when it is not willed as the fruit of the conjugal act, that is to say, of the specific act of the spouses' union . . . . Only respect for the link between the meanings of the conjugal act and respect for the unity of the human being make possible procreation in conformity with the dignity of the person."169 2378 A child is not something owed to one, but is a gift. The "supreme gift of marriage" is a human person. A child may not be considered a piece of property, an idea to which an alleged "right to a child" would lead. In this area, only the child possesses genuine rights: the right "to be the fruit of the specific act of the conjugal love of his parents," and "the right to be respected as a person from the moment of his conception."170 2379 The Gospel shows that physical sterility is not an absolute evil. Spouses who still suffer from infertility after exhausting legitimate medical procedures should unite themselves with the Lord's Cross, the source of all spiritual fecundity. They can give expression to their generosity by adopting abandoned children or performing demanding services for others. "Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28
I wasn't advocating a theocracy, but I've read people who opine that a Catholic monarchy might be a good thing. :-) I am not advocating that either, since I don't know much about it., and it occurred many centuries before I was on earth. Being an American citizen I can only go by what we have here, and prior to 1973 abortion was not widespread. I think going back to those days at least, would be better. I will spare you the photos of aborted babies which clearly show it is an unjust killing, a grisly murder. I do not go by state law, especially California law. or U.S. law. "Thou shalt not kill" says it all. "Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28
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Funny pinko crap...enjoy :)
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I agree with the old guy on the 2nd question but not the first.
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banning abortions.
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#14. To: Artisan (#3)
what was "nasty" about the polite old guy's question?
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Regardless of how we fell about it, isn't Rump just flim-flamming again -- I tho't he was kind pro-abortion?
#18. To: Artisan (#13)
I understand rape is a terrible crime but why sentence an innocent to death over it? abortion should not be legal, period.
#19. To: HOUNDDAWG (#18)
Would you oppose giving rape victims a morning after pill to prevent conception before the swimmer even makes it to home base?
#20. To: HOUNDDAWG (#18)
How long does a typical RU486/PG abortion take and how many steps does it involve?
#21. To: Artisan (#0)
#22. To: Artisan, christine, Ada, purple rose, Lod, randge, Rotara (#20)
#23. To: Artisan (#20)
#24. To: Artisan, FormerLurker, christine, Lod Horse, BTP Holdings (#20)
The short answer is yes, I oppose RU486. Because catholics are not against 'contraception' depending on whether or not conception has occurred, they are against contraception because it is inserting human will and interest in place of God's.
#25. To: Artisan (#0)
Israel is a very, very important ally of the United States. We are going to protect them 100%.
#26. To: Dakmar (#1)
see why I never get to be on tv?
#27. To: HOUNDDAWG (#24)
#28. To: NeoconsNailed (#23)
Every time I ask some Catholic or funnymentalist parent whether they use birth control, they clam up. They're certainly not having kids like the Hasidim -- that would be a heroic level of self-restraint over decades!?!
#29. To: Artisan (#28)
#30. To: NeoconsNailed (#29)
Whom did GHWB successfully promote contraception to -- Africa?
You'd disagree with that in other words?
And you think white power people shouldn't complain about the invaders' prolificity, is that it?
#31. To: Artisan (#30)
#32. To: NeoconsNailed (#31)
So you're not going to agree with Bush about anything, even if he's right, and you think it's stupid to be alarmed by "immigrants" breeding like rabbits? Just trying to get the picture.
good Catholics have to be using lots of birth control :-)
#33. To: Artisan (#32)
Bush is not right . since he is a Satanist, he by definition can not be right.
#34. To: Artisan (#32)
#35. To: Artisan (#27)
well actually, justifying widespread legal abortion with an extremely rare 'hypothetical' of women who get pregnant from rape does not hold water, in my opinion.
#36. To: NeoconsNailed (#14)
Trump is a liar and enthusiastic new world orderly at such times. I'm back to having no use for him at all as long as dreck like Gingrich and Christie are under consideration as VP.
#37. To: HOUNDDAWG (#36)
#38. To: NeoconsNailed (#33)
98% of all-American Catholic wives are damning themselves to 500 years in purgatory by not using the rithm method :-3
#39. To: Lod (#34)
#40. To: HOUNDDAWG (#35)
and nothing good can come from religious Jihadists in control of our country.
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