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Title: Gen. Michael Flynn Is a Possible Trump Vice President Pick. And He's a Good Guy
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URL Source: http://russia-insider.com/en/gen-mi ... minee-and-hes-good-guy/ri15499
Published: Jul 9, 2016
Author: Shane Golmacher (Politico)
Post Date: 2016-07-09 04:30:28 by Tatarewicz
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Views: 162
Comments: 16

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As the military's top spy, Michael Flynn repeatedly butted heads with the Obama administration during a rocky tenure in which he was ultimately forced out. He then broke ranks with most national security leaders in Washington when he became one of the earliest backers of Donald Trump.

Now Flynn, 57, who has both briefed Trump in person and penned memos for him, has emerged as more than a valued informal adviser — he’s a potential running-mate.

Trump associates say that Flynn has been the subject of growing discussions inside the campaign, as Trump himself has signaled publicly that he is exploring a running mate beyond the ranks of politicians, including from the military.

“I like the generals. I like the concept of the generals. We're thinking about — actually there are two of them that are under consideration,” Trump said Wednesday on Fox News.

Flynn is one of them, according to two people close to Trump. The head of the Defense Intelligence Agency from 2012 to 2014, Flynn has advised the candidate on the Islamic State, Iran and the military, according to a Trump associate familiar with the discussions. And he’s briefed Trump in-person at Trump Tower, beginning last fall ahead of a debate focused on foreign affairs.

But there is a twist to the retired three-star Army general’s resume: he’s a Democrat. That could showcase bipartisan appeal — or it could further add to Trump’s ongoing challenges in unifying a fractured Republican Party.

“If someone were to look it up right now, I'm a registered Democrat, and I'm OK with that,” Flynn told Foreign Policy last year, adding he’s "about as centrist as possible."

By relying on the retired general and floating his interest in a vice president from the military, Trump is seeking to burnish his national security and foreign policy bona fides. To do it, he has chosen a forceful and increasingly vocal hawk who is more than willing to ruffle feathers and has recently promulgated views that have led some of his longtime colleagues to say they barely recognize the highly capable military officer.

“Somehow Mike Flynn has blown a gasket," said one senior U.S. official with ties to him who was not authorized to speak publicly. "He is so angry with this administration that he has forgotten his New England roots."

The New York Post earlier this week reported that Flynn was being actively vetted, which the retired general did not deny. “One of the things I expect Mr. Trump would look for in a vice president is discretion,” Flynn told the paper. Trump sources said Flynn was actively under consideration but declined to say he if was being vetted.

Other top potential Trump running mates include Govs. Chris Christie of New Jersey and Mike Pence of Indiana and former Speaker Newt Gingrich. Two senators, after being very publicly floated, Joni Ernst and Bob Corker, took themselves out of contention this week. Trump himself has said the list is as long as 10 names.

Some in Trump’s campaign believe that Trump himself projects sufficient strength on matters of national security, and that the Manhattan mogul would be better off dipping into the broader pool of candidates with legislative and political experience.

Flynn, who served several tours in Iraq and Afghanistan, has also been a reliable Trump surrogate. For example, he called for Clinton to resign over her use of a private email server at the State Department, telling CNN that “if it were me, I would have been out the door and probably in jail" and blasting a “lack of accountability, frankly, in a person who should have been much more responsible in her actions."

He has shaped some of Trump's views, including disdain for the recent nuclear agreement with Iran and calls for a far more aggressive strategy to confront Islamic extremism at home and abroad — a "grave danger" he says "threatens our way of life."

And the influence may flow both ways: Flynn, in an awfully Trump-sounding turn of phrase, recently told the Observer newspaper, which is owned by Trump's son-in-law, that the next president has "to be very cautious listening to those who are politically correct — we need seriously candid and meaningful advice and solutions right now."

Much like Trump likes to keep things in the family, Flynn's son, Michael G. Flynn, serves as a chief adviser. His son has been retweeting news stories speculating about a Trump-Flynn ticket in recent days, and Flynn himself has been tweeting pro-Trump materials aggressively.

Like the candidate, he has been a vocal — and for the military, highly unusual — critic of business as usual in Washington.

Since leaving government, Flynn has angered U.S. officials over his friendly ties to Russia, with which he has publicly advocated better relations and military cooperation in the Middle East — a departure from the official Pentagon line. He even recently sat at the head table at a dinner in Moscow with President Vladimir Putin, whom Trump has praised.

In addition to his unwelcome warnings after the killing of Osama bin Laden that the brand of terrorism he represented was still alive and well, Flynn also met resistance in the Obama administration by trying to reform the 17,000-strong DIA.

In December, he told a congressional committee that there are "some who abuse the system so badly that it makes corrupt governments in Third World nations blush." He went as far as recommending that “half or more” of the civilian workforce in the Pentagon be let go, amounting to some 400,000 government jobs — a proposal bordering on sacrilege in DC's corridors of power.

"He was not political while he was in uniform because of his professionalism," said Graham Plaster, a Navy officer and informal adviser to Flynn who is in contact with him regularly. "Now that his personal views are emerging that is because he has the benefit of being a civilian. I think the big contrast people are seeing, especially from inside the Pentagon, is simply due to the transition out of uniform."

Flynn, who did not respond to a request for an interview through his publicist, has described himself as a "rugged individualism" type. He hails from a large Irish Catholic family and lists surfing, running, fishing, and reading fiction as his hobbies.

“I didn’t walk out like a lot of guys and go to big jobs in Northrop Grumman or Booz Allen [Hamilton] or some of these other big companies [like] Raytheon,” he told Foreign Policy magazine. “I’m very independent, and it’s very liberating actually. I’m not going to be a general that just fades away."

Flynn held some of the top military intelligence positions over the course of his 33-year military career. He served the director of intelligence for the Joint Chiefs of Staff, the U.S. Central Command, which oversees operations in the Middle East, the NATO mission in Afghanistan, and the Joint Special Operations Command — culminating in the director of the Defense Intelligence Agency.

Others who know him say he is uniquely — and sometimes brutally — direct, exhibiting a candor that is rare in Washington.

"An awful lot of people don't want to be the bearer of bad tidings to a boss — especially if the boss gets upset with something he doesn't like," said former CIA Director Jim Woolsey, who is also a partner in Flynn Intel Group, the general's consulting firm. "Mike plays it straight and I don't think he does so in an offensive way, trying to make a scrap. He is straightforward and clear. And if he thinks X is going badly, he will say, 'that seems to be going badly for the following three reasons.' He doesn't dance around and try to say what the boss may want to hear."

Indeed, Flynn hasn't always agreed with the presumptive GOP nominee himself.

For example, he has publicly distanced himself from Trump's highly controversial support for using torture to glean intelligence from suspected terrorists and to target the family members of terrorist leaders.

"I don’t agree with everything that he said," Flynn told Al Jazeera English. But he’s an individual who’s willing to take on a challenge."

Flynn explained that he was trying to help Trump achieve "more precision in the use of the language that he uses as the potential leader of the free world. There has to be more precision, and those are the types of pieces of advice that I’m trying to get into him to say [to] be more precise, be more conscious about what you say about foreign policy issues because they are complicated.”

Flynn has expressed other views that seem in conflict with Trump, who has said the United States cannot police the world. "We must be capable of nation building, negotiating, and fighting all at the same time," Flynn wrote in Small Wars Journal, when he was a two-star general in 2011.

The growing chatter about his key role in the Trump campaign coincides with his new book, “The Field of Fight: How We Can Win the Global War Against Radical Islam and Its Allies,” scheduled for release July 12. A vice presidential trial balloon certainly would drive interest in the text, and possibly juice sales.

He teamed up on the book with Michael Ledeen, a prominent member of a group of scholars and former government officials that helped shape the views of many top national security leaders in the George W. Bush administration. Ledeen said Flynn has plans to be in Cleveland, site of the Republican National Convention, next week, and described a man who sounded a lot like Trump — brash, bold and unconcerned with how he’s perceived.

“Flynn is not the type of guy who calculates the consequences of what he’s about to say,” said Ledeen. “He answers the question.”

Plaster, one of Flynn’s confidantes, predicted that whether or not Trump selected him for the VP slot, Flynn is likely to play an influential role in a Trump administration, possibly as director of national intelligence.

"He is the kind of people that people want to follow."

Originally appeared at Politico


Poster Comment:

Yan • I don't like this guy. I have heard him speak many times on television and he is not impressive to me. He wrote a book with Michael Ledeen--what does that tell you? Ledeen is one of the most famous neocons.

As the article rightly says, he is "a forceful and increasingly vocal hawk." How does that jive with Trump's talk about disbanding NATO or getting along with Russia? Of course, no one can accuse Trump of consistency on anything; but picking Flynn for VP should be the end of all talk about him being some kind of "peace candidate."

All this guy Flynn ever does is criticize Obama for not being sufficiently warlike and aggressive--but he never explains how the additional aggression he advocates is going to help make things better. Nevertheless his incessant criticism of Obama of course gets him on Fox news regularly, especially since he is a Democrat taking the exact same line as hawkish Republicans. He is the Joe Lieberman of the generals.+3

Annie /Yan • There is a big difference between a hawk and a war criminal.

A war criminal doesn't bother getting a declaration of war from Congress, he just goes out and kills. He doesn't care who he kills. He never commits to war with the intention of winning, he prefers wars that never end. He will fund and support both sides of a war to keep it going. Obama is not fighting a war to win - he's not even fighting a war, just killing. He deserves the criticism. I read that more people have died under Obama than any other president, I don't know if it's true, I didn't verify.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/c...

A hawk would use war as a last resort. He would get a declaration of war from Congress and cooperate with other countries. He would fight to win so the war would end. A hawk would be smart and strong, so strong that he doesn't need to go to war.

Only Russia is fighting the war on terror. We formed an alliance with Russia to fight terror. Russia even gifted us a magnificent 9/11 memorial that sits across the river from the twin towers. It is every bit as spectacular as the Statue of Liberty, yet how many Americans even know it exists?

http://www.911monument.com/

Why do we turn our back on Russia, Why do we fight both sides of a war? Why do we promote terrorism rather than fight it with Russia as a friend? Why do we aim our nuclear missiles at Russia? Being hawk-like isn't a bad thing if you're fighting the right enemy. Obama is not fighting the right enemy. •

Tatarewicz/ Annie • Obama is fighting wars which Congress needs to ensure Sayanim keep its Democrat and Republican members being successful in US national elections. Congress declaring war would expose the Shylockian contract they have clandestinely entered into to defend the illegal Israeli state. It's a shell game.

Yan/ Kjell Hasthi • https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... "Michael Arthur Ledeen (born August 1, 1941) is an American historian, philosopher, neoconservative foreign policy analyst, and writer. He is a former consultant to the United States National Security Council, the United States Department of State, and the United States Department of Defense. He held the Freedom Scholar chair at the American Enterprise Institute where he was a scholar for twenty years and now holds the similarly named chair at the Foundation for Defense of Democracies....

Regarding the "pre-emptive" invasion of Iraq, in 2002 Ledeen ... wr[ote]:

[Scowcroft] fears that if we attack Iraq "I think we could have an explosion in the Middle East. It could turn the whole region into a cauldron and destroy the War on Terror." One can only hope that we turn the region into a cauldron, and faster, please. If ever there were a region that richly deserved being cauldronized, it is the Middle East today. If we wage the war effectively, we will bring down the terror regimes in Iraq, Iran, and Syria, and either bring down the Saudi monarchy or force it to abandon its global assembly line to indoctrinate young terrorists. That's our mission in the war against terror."

Kjell Hasthi /Yan • Michael Ledeen has writting books about fascism and became very anti-state

- we will bring down the terror regimes in Iraq, Iran, and Syria, and either bring down the Saudi monarchy or force it to abandon its global assembly line to indoctrinate young terrorists.

He advocates bringing down Saudi-Arabia ...? No wonder he was not much popular in US

Kjell Hasthi/ Yan • There are no "neocon political movement"

Secret Agent /Kjell Hasthi • Well if there are no neocons what do we call the radical majority Jewish insane warmongering lunatics in Washington who seem to have a stranglehold on the NatSec debate, and how do we describe their policies?

MyWikiDisQus • I would not put trust in a Department of War career employee to serve as Vice President of the United States. Such an appointment is a setup for assassination, the same as if Trump selected a career Washington insider.

Trump should pick a person who is essentially inert with respect to mainstream political ideology, someone who is resistant to temptations of power and wealth. Perhaps a person who has been disconnected from the matrix due to an epiphanic experience not related to the use of hallucinogenic pharmacology. Who could that person be? Here are my picks:

1. Ron Paul - Physician and former ten term congressman, reverently known as "Dr. No." 2. Justin Raimondo - founder of Antiwar.com. He rejects militarism as a foreign policy directive. 3. Andrew Napolitano - former judge, who speaks with great fervor about adhering to the U.S. Constitution. 4. Karen Kwiatkowski - founding member of Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity. 5. Coleen Rowley - former FBI agent who exposed the vulnerabilities of the FBI bureaucracy that led to 9/11.

Annie Vtran • I will need to do some research on Gen. Flynn in particular. In general, I can tell you with certainty that we consider our purged generals to be good. Obama has purged hundreds of our high ranking military and intelligence officers. He got rid of those who were unwilling to commit war crimes and unwilling to give orders to kill US citizens on our own soil. Many more were fired for disagreeing with the president on matters of illegal war and falsifying intelligence. Many believe our president is fearful of being arrested by our military. Our president has a policy of not allowing active duty military to carry even a side arm when on duty in the US. "For safety reasons" He certainly despises our military and they despise him.

There was information a few years back that a high ranking officer was fired for disobeying an order to fire a missile at Russia. A fake accident to spark war? It's only speculation. Maybe it never happened. There is no way for the little people to confirm or deny that, we have no real news. And there is anger over the use of killer drones all over the world. Is this not a war crime?

I would be highly suspect of a currently serving general as vice president. We need a general who was fired by Obama so we can sort out our problems in high ranking military positions. He doesn't need to be VP but I'm not opposed to it either. However, for the safety of the world and us, our ranking military must be cleansed of those who have no morality or respect for law. The good will know who the bad are, someone needs to do it.

Avatar IllyaK • 10 hours ago He is a POS just like the rest of them. He takes his marching orders from Michael fucking Ledeen - one of the biggest anti-Russia assholes that ever lived??? That's all I need to know.

Bill Kristol's Nightmare/ IllyaK • How this article got posted at Russia Insider is concerning. The article was originally written at Politico, but still. What the hell?

Michael Ledeen is best friends with Bill Kristol, Mark Levin and the entire Neocon rats nest in DC.

It doesn't take a genius to figure out Gen. Michael Flynn is another attempt to weasel their way into a Trump administration. Since Kristol's Renegade Part imploded into itself.

The article is basically saying "Hey Trump, I'm Bill Kristol... and I'm going to assassinate you."

Bill Kristol's Nightmare • . Michael Ledeen is an anti-Putin Neocon Trotskyite connected to Bill Kristol and the failed Renegade Party created to take out Donald Trump's 2016 presidential bid.

Both Michael Ledeen and Gen. Michael Flynn are co-writting a book together, due to be published soon. Book: The Field of Fight: How We Can Win the Global War Against Radical Islam and Its Allies, with Michael Ledeen & Michael Flynn, from St. Martin's Press (2016)

Bill Kristol's Nightmare • How this article got posted at Russia Insider is concerning. The article was originally written at Politico, but still. What the hell?

Michael Ledeen is best friends with Bill Kristol, Mark Levin and the entire Neocon rats nest in DC.

It doesn't take a genius to figure out Gen. Michael Flynn is another attempt to weasel their way into a Trump administration. Since Kristol's Renegade Part imploded into itself.

The article is basically saying "Hey Trump, I'm Bill Kristol... and I'm going to assassinate you."

Bill Kristol's Nightmare Michael Flynn is a trojan horse sent by Bill Kristol and the Neocons. Top Neocon wizard Michael Ledeen helped write Flynn's book. Here's Ledeens twitter filled with subversion and all types of unsavory associates.

https://twitter.com/michaelled...

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#1. To: Tatarewicz (#0)

Michael Flynn repeatedly butted heads with the Obama administration during a rocky tenure in which he was ultimately forced out.

One good thing about Obama is he's been unwilling to take a hard line stance with Iran. I wonder if Flynn disagrees, and that's the reason why he's butted heads with Obama.

If so, then he's a very poor pick. I know Trump wants to play hard military ball with any country not bowing to the USA (perhaps the biggest negative he has -- though he's also an experienced negotiator so he at least won't make military use his first resort). But we certainly don't want a VP that sees military use as a first consideration.

Too bad the female senator Joni whatsername won't be VP. A woman VP would be a good choice for going up against Hillary.

Pinguinite  posted on  2016-07-09   12:20:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Pinguinite (#1)

A woman VP would be a good choice for going up against Hillary.

I like Rep. Tulsi Gabbard, from Hawaii.

"When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that glorifies it." - Frederic Bastiat

Southern Style  posted on  2016-07-09   12:48:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Pinguinite (#1)

One good thing about Obama is he's been unwilling to take a hard line stance with Iran.

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Is that why Iranian oil is now coming in oil tanker fleets to the port of Houston?

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Something Very Strange Is Taking Place Off The Coast Of Galveston, TX

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Having exposed the world yesterday to the 2-mile long line of tankers-full'o'crude heading from Iraq to the US, several weeks after reporting that China has run out of oil storage space we can now confirm that the global crude "in transit" glut is becoming gargantuan and is starting to have adverse consequences on the price of oil.

While the crude oil tanker backlog in Houston reaches an almost unprecedented 39 (with combined capacity of 28.4 million barrels), as The FT reports that from China to the Gulf of Mexico, the growing flotilla of stationary supertankers is evidence that the oil price crash may still have further to run, as more than 100m barrels of crude oil and heavy fuels are being held on ships at sea (as the year-long supply glut fills up available storage on land). The storage problems are so severe in fact, that traders asking ships to go slow, and that is where we see something very strange occurring off the coast near Galveston, TX.

 
FT reports that "the amount of oil at sea is at least double the levels of earlier this year and is equivalent to more than a day of global oil supply. The numbers of vessels has been compiled by the Financial Times from satellite tracking data and industry sources."
The storage glut is unprecedented:
Off Indonesia, Malaysia and Singapore, Asia’s main oil hub, around 35m barrels of crude and shipping fuel are being stored on 14 VLCCs.
 
“A lot of the storage off Singapore is fuel oil as the contango is stronger,” said Petromatrix analyst Olivier Jakob. Fuel oil is mainly used in shipping and power generation.
 
Off China, which is on course to overtake the US as the world’s largest crude importer, five heavily laden VLCCs — each capable of carrying more than 2m barrels of oil — are parked near the ports of Qingdao, Dalian and Tianjin.
 
In Europe, a number of smaller tankers are facing short-term delays at Rotterdam and in the North Sea, where output is near a two-year high. In the Mediterranean a VLCC has been parked off Malta since September.
 
On the US Gulf Coast, tankers carrying around 20m barrels of oil are waiting to unload, Reuters reported. Crude inventories on the US Gulf Coast are at record levels.
 
A further 8m barrels of oil are being held off the UAE, while Iran — awaiting the end of sanctions to ramp up exports — has almost 40m barrels of fuel on its fleet of supertankers near the Strait of Hormuz. Much of this is believed to be condensate, a type of ultralight oil.
And unlike the last oil price collapse during the financial crisis only half of the oil held on the water has been put there specifically by traders looking to cash in by storing the fuel until prices recover. Instead, sky-high supertanker rates have prevented them from putting more oil into so-called floating storage, shutting off one of the safety valves that could prevent oil prices from falling further.
A widening oil market structure known as contango — where future prices are higher than spot prices — could make floating storage possible.
 
 
 
The difference between Brent for delivery in six months’ time and now rose to $4.50 last week, up from $1.50 in May. Traders estimate it may need to reach $6 to make sea storage viable.
JBC Energy, a consultancy, said in many regions onshore oil storage is approaching capacity, arguing oil prices may have to fall to allow more to be stored profitably at sea.
“Onshore storage is not quite full but it is at historically high levels globally,” said David Wech, managing director of JBC Energy.
 
“As we move closer to capacity that is creating more infrastructure hiccups and delays in the oil market, leading to more oil being backed out on to the water.”
 
Patrick Rodgers, the chief executive of Euronav, one of the world’s biggest listed tanker companies, said oil glut was so severe traders were asking ships to go slow to help them manage storage levels.
 
“We are being kept at relatively low speeds. The owners of the oil are not in a hurry to get their cargoes. They are managing their storage capacity by keeping ships at a certain speed.”
As a result of all this, something very unusual going on off the coast of Galveston, where more than 39 crude tankers w/ combined cargo capacity of 28.4 million bbls wait near Galveston (Galveston is area where tankers can anchor before taking cargoes to refineries at Houston and other nearby plants), vessel tracking data compiled by Bloomberg show, which compares w/ 30 vessels, 21 million bbls of capacity in May. Vessels wait avg of 5 days, compared w/ 3 days May.

As AP puts it, "a traffic jam of oil tankers is the latest sign of an unyielding global supply glut."

More than 50 commercial vessels were anchored outside ports in the Houston area at the end of last week, of which 41 were tankers, according to Houston Pilots, an organization that assists in navigation of larger vessels. Normally, there are 30 to 40 vessels, of which two-thirds are tankers, according to the group.
 
Although the channel has been shut intermittently in recent weeks because of fog or flooding, oil traders pointed to everything from capacity constraints to a lack of buyers.
 
“It appears that the glut of supply in the global market is only getting worse,” said Matt Smith, director of commodity research at ClipperData. Several traders said some ships might have arrived without a buyer, which can be hard to find as ample supply and end-of-year taxes push refiners to draw down inventories.
And here, courtesy of MarineTraffic is the interactive snapshot (readers can recreate it here):

 

All of which explains why this is happening:

U.S. Constitution - Article IV, Section 4: NO BORDERS + NO LAWS = NO COUNTRY

HAPPY2BME-4UM  posted on  2016-07-09   13:23:38 ET  (5 images) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Southern Style (#2)

I like Rep. Tulsi Gabbard, from Hawaii.

Ah, yes. She'd be excellent. A female version of Ron Paul. But I think she's also a registered democrat. So while it might harm sentiments of R voters, it may be more than made up for with D voters, and women both.

And it's not like R voters are going to have much choice, right.... < gag >....

Regretably, I've seen no mention of her as a possibility.

Pinguinite  posted on  2016-07-09   13:24:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Tatarewicz (#0)

"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke

BTP Holdings  posted on  2016-07-09   13:24:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: HAPPY2BME-4UM (#3)

Is that why Iranian oil is now coming in oil tanker fleets to the port of Houston?

Yes it is.

But the oil glut isn't Iran's fault. They were sanctioned when prices plummeted.

For blame, look to Saudi Arabia, not Iran.

They make the glut happen. Perhaps to undercut US oil production. Perhaps for other reasons.

Pinguinite  posted on  2016-07-09   13:30:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Pinguinite (#6)

Is that why Iranian oil is now coming in oil tanker fleets to the port of Houston?

Yes it is.

But the oil glut isn't Iran's fault. They were sanctioned when prices plummeted.

For blame, look to Saudi Arabia, not Iran.

They make the glut happen. Perhaps to undercut US oil production. Perhaps for other reasons.

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True on the Saudi part.

The US oil industry was completely slammed with the combination of cheap Saudi + endless fleets of Iranian crude coming into Houston.

Houston is now in a depression, as is the entire US oil industry as a DIRECT RESULT. Both gluts were created by BARACK OBAMA, who wants to destroy US oil independence. This was a major underlying motivation for Iran to sign Obama's treaty. It is also why Obama refuses to sign off on the Canadian oil pipeline.

You do get this, right?

U.S. Constitution - Article IV, Section 4: NO BORDERS + NO LAWS = NO COUNTRY

HAPPY2BME-4UM  posted on  2016-07-09   13:54:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Southern Style (#2)

I like both Joni and Tulsi (and supported them), but I don't think that they have the experience to be able to tell Trump all that much. But they are much better than the establishment RHINOs.

“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken

Lod  posted on  2016-07-09   14:51:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Pinguinite (#6)

For blame, look to Saudi Arabia, not Iran.

ISSI offered Syrian oil at half world price. Israel and Turkey grabbed it for domestic and resale use. Buyers of Saudi oil would have switched, Saudis had to cut price or lose market share.

Tatarewicz  posted on  2016-07-10   2:58:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Tatarewicz (#9)

ISSI offered Syrian oil at half world price. Israel and Turkey grabbed it for domestic and resale use. Buyers of Saudi oil would have switched, Saudis had to cut price or lose market share.

Doesn't sound right to me. ISIS illicit oil production and export from Syria during an armed conflict could in no way match the volume of Saudi Arabian production, much less that of the rest of the world.

Pinguinite  posted on  2016-07-10   4:30:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: All (#0)

Got an encouraging reply from (Grandmother) Annie:

Annie /Tatarewicz •

Everything you say is true. Right now they are desperate because they are being exposed this election cycle. This is good for those like me who have been telling people, because finally they believe it. But those criminals won't go down without a fight. If we win, I hope the world is ready with indictments because as you know, our government is infiltrated with war criminals who will need to be brought to justice. The Brits appear to be standing up to their war criminals too, but that's just speculation on my part.

Tatarewicz /Annie •

Good to hear of your expository efforts; we need many, many more people like you showing people how they can figure out what's really going on. But I'd go easy on the traitorous criminals; it's more important to learn from them why they sold out so this can be published in textbooks so future generations don't make the kind of mistakes that got us in the current mess.

A half century ago an elderly Ukrainian carpenter neighbor told me the then fledgling Israeli state of squatters would one day draw Canada into a war. Being too busy working and going to university I dismissed this as being too preposterous to even discuss instead of asking him: How so? Well Israel with its 9/11 false flag did draw Canada into the Afghan war (where Taliban had allowed Arabs to train for house-to-house combat to get Jews off lands stolen from Palestinians).

It's also important to learn and document techniques Sayanim use to recruit individuals for public office as well as to learn precisely how those selected by the Tribe are so successful in winning elections; point out the real dangers of public non-involvement in the political process. Pogo may have been onto something when noted: We have met the enemy; he is us.

Tatarewicz  posted on  2016-07-10   11:11:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Pinguinite (#10)

Could be coincidental and other factors like Iraq exporting more oil but it was Saudis who said their price drop was to protect market share and occurred at the height of illegal Syria exports. Putin observed that the illegal oil pipeline of tankers stretched from horizon to horizon before Russia started bombing them. If a Saudi customer switched might be gone forever. It's interesting that world price dropped to what Syrian rebel oil was priced.

"Militants of the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (ISIS) are making an estimated $3 million a day by selling crude oil captured from Iraq and Syria in black markets, experts say.

It is believed that ISIS is selling crude oil at prices ranging from $25 per barrel to $60 per barrel, which amounts to almost half of the international crude oil price, averaged at $102 as of Wednesday"

english.alarabiya.net/en/perspective/analysis/2014/08/28/Experts-ISIS-makes-up-to-3-million-daily-in-oil-sales.html

Tatarewicz  posted on  2016-07-11   0:58:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Pinguinite (#10)

ISIS illicit oil production and export from Syria during an armed conflict could in no way match the volume of Saudi Arabian production

It doesn't have to.

It just has to be available at the right place & at the right price.

The “ISIS Rockefellers”: How Islamic State Oil Flows to Israel

Oil gets smuggled to Mediterranean ports.

Putin greases ISIS convoys.

"If ignorance is truly bliss, then why do so many Americans need Prozac?" - Dave McGowan

randge  posted on  2016-07-11   14:48:53 ET  (2 images) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: randge (#13)

Judas Priest. Well, it's obvious. USA, Inc. and Izrahell are going to be shaken the hardest in this wicked world.


"Define yourself as one beloved by God. This is the true self. Every other identity is illusion."—Brennan Manning

Rotara  posted on  2016-07-11   15:05:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: Pinguinite (#1)

Read Sy Hersh on Obama arming and funding Al Qaeda and ISIS. That will tell you what Obama is up to.

In 2011 Obama wanted to go into full scale bombing of Syria. Mansfield from the Joint Chiefs had to go to the White House at Midnight to explain they the Army would mutiny if he did that. Obama called off the strikes. The US military has ever since had direct links to their Russian counterparts to prevent idiotic movements to start WW III.

The Truth of 911 Shall Set You Free From The Lie

Horse  posted on  2016-07-11   15:08:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: Nobody. DON'T READ (#0)

Just added a spicy comment here -- don't know if they'll use it:

theintercept.com/2016/07/...view-with-lt-gen-michael- flynn/#comment-254609

Muslim journalist shows him for the smug, amoral bastard he is:

Mehdi Hasan goes Head to Head with Michael T Flynn

www.youtube.com/watch? v=SG3j8OYKgn4

Well, it's great to know Trump wants to beef up the military. It's been showing a little iron-poor blood lately. The budget's only 2/3 of a trillion bucks! Maybe if we double it we can start winning a few wars.

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“We build but to tear down. Most of our work and resource is squandered. Our onward march is marked by devastation. Everywhere there is an appalling loss of time, effort and life. A cheerless view, but true.” - Tesla per FP

NeoconsNailed  posted on  2016-07-15   5:13:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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