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Title: Spare Me The Maudlin Theatrics, Please
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URL Source: https://www.lewrockwell.com/2016/07 ... pare-maudlin-theatrics-please/
Published: Jul 9, 2016
Author: Jack Perry
Post Date: 2016-07-09 18:45:10 by Ada
Keywords: None
Views: 362
Comments: 31

So, what do you want me to say about this, then? Another “mass shooting event” and this time, it was the police targeted. Now, my first question is: Will the media be true to truth and call this a “hate crime” or will this be gussied up in some apologetic poppycock engineered to absolve the reality from being held accountable?

Offhand, I think we’re going to miss a major point here in the rush to find fig leafs to cover up the truth and inanimate objects to assign blame to. I think we’re going to miss WHO trained the killer: The government. Yes, this man was a combat veteran. Therefore, as to who trained this guy to kill, that would be the government. As I have said here so many times my odometer has clicked over, you cannot teach violence as a solution to any problem and then expect this won’t one-day re-appear on your own doorstep. It would appear our government trained the wrong guy. Or, rather, he went and killed people the government didn’t order him to.

Again, when you justify the killing of other people based on the “They Are Not Us” philosophy, that is exactly the belief system people will take home and manifest into your society later. See, the only justifiable reason for killing another human being is immediate self-defense. Not “pre-emptive” hogwash or “regime change” or “liberating” people. Because when you say that killing people is getting people to do things you tell them to do by other means, then you should not be at all surprised when this blows up in your face. Literally.

Oh, sure, let’s blame the firearm. Why not? Because that’s easier than saying the government is teaching violence and even its own police agencies are not safe. It’s own military isn’t safe, either, as mass shooting events on U.S. military bases have shown. I’m going to go way out on the limb of controversy here. If the government holds fast to the idea that war is diplomacy by other means, guess what? Some of these mass murderers are saying that mass murder is social change by other means. This one evidently was saying that. So was the dude in Orlando.

Now, I am not excusing this violence. Far from it. Violence is wrong no matter who does it. Those cops were innocent people, killed because they were cops and because of their skin color also. But we cannot condemn violence when it manifests amongst us and then excuse it when the government does it to other people we don’t know or see overseas. If we are to be true to a morality worth calling one, we will condemn all violence. We won’t wave the flag and cheer on the slaughter of people because they’re led by some dude we don’t like. We also won’t celebrate that slaughter like we did here four days ago with Fourth of July.

One more time, this mass murderer was taught his skills by the United States government. Now we can see what has been done overseas in places like Afghanistan, isn’t that correct? Oh, but now we’re sad and angry? How so, America? Were you sad and angry when a bunch of U.S. military members got away with destroying a hospital in Afghanistan and killing a bunch of innocent people? And if they were actually prosecuted, all the Blood-Shine Patriots would have come crawling out from under rocks to scream about “patriotic troops being jailed for doing their jobs”. Doing their jobs. Indeed. Like this dude was trained to do?

Right, here we go again. More candle-light vigils. More prayers to some vague deity no one can name anymore because they don’t even know who this deity is. Or if there is one. But they’ll pray anyway because it looks pious on TV, am I right? Plus, the candles look cooler with tears and heads bowed. Excuse me, but where are the candle-light vigils for the millions of people this government has slaughtered over some blip on the foreign policy radar? Millions of people dead and they act like those lives were just a blip on the radar. And we’re so dang proud of it, we make movies glorifying it. But let us lose more than three and we act like we’ve just suffered a gross inhumanity. Yeah, well, maybe we should start valuing all human lives. Not just our own or those of our own little enclaves of asinine and laughable social groups.

Yes, they’ll say this guy doesn’t represent all (insert group here), am I right? But we don’t apply that same rule to others in other countries. If we have to kill a hundred innocent people to nail one “bad guy” in Yemen, then so be it. Wave the flag, cheer, light fireworks, grill hot dogs, have nifty furniture sales and buy lots of crap at the mall because it’s also on sale. Then when violence happens here, we act like we don’t know how this could possibly happen to us. Why it’s not fair! Spare me the maudlin theatrics. You sit there and watch movies where violence is celebrated, especially the violence the United States government wreaks across the globe. Gosh, American Sniper, you weren’t supposed to do that here! Do it over there, where you’re supposed to!

Right, candles, I’ll put them on the shopping list. But I wonder when we will finally see that you cannot teach this violence to an entire country and not expect violence. If you plant poison ivy in the yard, what, you don’t expect a bad rash? Having this government is like having a Water Moccasin in the yard, under the porch. Sooner or later, it bites the people in whose yard it lives. Tired of the violence? Then stop teaching it and celebrating it.

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#2. To: Ada (#0)

I think we’re going to miss WHO trained the killer: The government. Yes, this man was a combat veteran.

Complete and utter BullBush. He was a freaking laborer with an engineer battalion based at a Air Force base. He was never in combat and most likely didn't even carry a gun the whole time he was there. Or even see one up close.

I personally knew people who spend a year or more in VN during the VN war that never once picked up a gun,or even have access to one because all the guns and ammunition remained locked up in the arms room the whole time they were there.

I know this to be a fact because *I* had the only set of keys to the company arms room. At that time I was injured and on a physical profile that kept me from going on missions out in the bush,so I was assigned to a NG signal battalion at Nha Trang until my physical profile expired and I was fit to return to regular duty again. They didn't know what else to do with me,so they made me the company armorer.

sneakypete  posted on  2016-07-09   19:04:27 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: sneakypete (#2)

I agree. This was no trained sniper but just an Army reservist. The witnesses all though there were several shooters involved and they may have been right. If so, they have somehow disappeared just like they have in other such incidents.

Lee Harvey Oswald claimed to have been a patsy, and I believe him. He was no sharpshooter and possessed an unreliable weapon. Yet, the FBI claimed he made extremely difficult shots including the "miracle bullet".

This guy may have been a patsy like Oswald and probably McVeigh. Remember the sudden stop in the hunt for "John Doe 2", his supposed partner?

Ada  posted on  2016-07-10   7:05:04 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Ada (#3)

The witnesses all though there were several shooters involved and they may have been right.

At this point I remain unsure about that,also. I know the early reports were of multiple shooters.

If so, they have somehow disappeared just like they have in other such incidents.

IF true,there can be more than one reason why the other "actors" disappear,ranging from they are terrified and running for their lives while remaining silent,to them being in goobermint custody and being sweated to discover all their contacts.

I guess time will tell,but I am keeping a open mind on this until I hear the official "one shooter" explanations and have a little time to think about them.

Lee Harvey Oswald claimed to have been a patsy, and I believe him.

Me,too,but we all know that there is no shortages of how and why someone is a fool. I personally believe he was a patsy of Soviet agents who played on his insecurity.

He was no sharpshooter and possessed an unreliable weapon.

He was no more than an average shot on his best day,but there was nothing the slightest bit unreliable about the Carcano,and they were VERY accurate rifles. I have personally shot 3 shot bullseye groups with a 6.5 Carcano at 100 yards using WW-2 military surplus ammo and iron sights. Shooting at and hitting a human-sized target at that range while using a scope-sighted rifle is something anyone not blind could do.

NEVER believe anything the media EVER tells you about any weapon. None of them know squat about weapons or anything else but telling the boss what he wants to hear,and they tend to believe the first fool they can find that answers their telephone calls,and fools are all they call because nobody else will talk with them.

This guy may have been a patsy like Oswald and probably McVeigh. Remember the sudden stop in the hunt for "John Doe 2", his supposed partner?

The goobermint got McVeigh to give a confession and then shut up while waiting to be executed by threatening to arrest,put on trial,and execute his sister as an accomplice. Anybody that doesn't think goobermint agents weren't involved as agent provocateurs with McVeigh to get him to form a plan to take down the building still believes in the Easter Bunny. The coverup came about because they,being the arrogant badge-toting shitheads they are,thought that McVeigh was a dummy and would blindly follow orders.

In my OPINION,McVeigh knew he was being "handled" and understood and used their arrogance against them by setting the bomb off early. In my OPINION,the plan was to have them come dashing in at the last moment,tv cameras crews in tow,and be YUGE heroes for "discovering and disarming the bomb at the last moment". McVeigh understood that and didn't care because he had his own message he wanted to send,and his own timetable. The feds HAD to cover this up to keep from looking like the arrogant bumbling fools they really were. Simply put,they bought his silence using his sister's life.

BTW,I have no idea if his sister was guilty of any advance knowledge of the bombing or not,but what I ,and McVeigh,know for a fact is if the feral government decided they wanted to convict her in a federal court and get her the death penalty,it WOULD be done regardless of her actual innocence or guilt.

sneakypete  posted on  2016-07-10   10:06:28 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: sneakypete (#4)

Although the original Austrian 1891 Mannlicher 6.5mm rifle was quite well designed for the time and was produced to a high standard, the post-war milsurp version had seen this design go through a number of changes in caliber and specification and was a mediocre weapon at best. The Germans captured a number of them and never saw fit to issue them to active troops. These rifles were issued on the home front to the Volkssturm or home guard. The Italian produced Carcano was never produced in a sniper version in contrast with numerous configurations of Enfields, Mausers and Springfields. The tolerances were never up to snuff.

You have to wonder too that anyone would set about changing history with a mail order of this quality. It's no wonder that only the most expert shooters were able to get close supposed Dealy Plaza marksmanship firing at a moving target and then only after repeated trials.

randge  posted on  2016-07-10   14:12:06 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: randge (#12)

Although the original Austrian 1891 Mannlicher 6.5mm rifle was quite well designed for the time and was produced to a high standard, the post-war milsurp version had seen this design go through a number of changes in caliber and specification and was a mediocre weapon at best. The Germans captured a number of them and never saw fit to issue them to active troops. These rifles were issued on the home front to the Volkssturm or home guard. The Italian produced Carcano was never produced in a sniper version in contrast with numerous configurations of Enfields, Mausers and Springfields. The tolerances were never up to snuff.

The only ones I have ever seen or handled were WW-2 surplus ones,and they seemed to be as well built on a dependability as most/any other issue rack quality rifles.

IF I remember correctly,they were unpopular mostly because they had to be loaded in clips similar to those used by the M-1 Garand,but much more awkward to handle and flimsy.

I THINK they also cocked on closing,which also was a factor in making them unpopular. I may be wrong about that,though. It's been over 35 years.

I only fired one,it was a nothing special surplus rifle with iron sights,and a real tack driver with surplus ammo.

People bought them because they were cheap,and they put cheap scopes on them because that was the popular thing to do in the late 50's and 60's,and many,many people back then thought all you had to do to create a sniper rifle was to put a scope on it.

And even if it was only of average accuracy,that was plenty because he was going to be shooting at a target close by and he had a clear field of fire.

sneakypete  posted on  2016-07-10   15:27:07 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: sneakypete (#16)

As far as the rifle Oswald was supposed to have used in the assassination, did you ever wonder why someone felt the need to doctor the image of him holding it?

JFK: Mathematical proof that the Oswald backyard photos were faked

FormerLurker  posted on  2016-07-10   17:39:49 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: FormerLurker (#19)

did you ever wonder why someone felt the need to doctor the image of him holding it?

I think most of us can agree that the Modello 1891 Carcano in question had nothing to do with the assassination of JFK.

The Great Carcano Swindle

By

Bill MacDowall

DRAWING CONCLUSIONS

Much of the evidence relating to C2766 is less clear-cut than the WR tried to claim. There are many problem areas that should have been investigated in greater detail to resolve issues raised. For the most part these issues were simply ignored. The chain of evidence that places C2766 in the hands of Lee Harvey Oswald on the 6th floor of the TSBD at 12.30PM on November 22nd 1963 is fatally flawed and evidently contrived. There is no reliable evidence to show that C-2766 is the same rifle Luciano Riva restored, no reliable evidence that C2766 was ordered and sold to Klein's in the manner and on the dates claimed. There is no reliable evidence that the money order Oswald was alleged to have used to purchase the rifle arrived at Klein's on the date and in the manner claimed.

It cannot be satisfactorily established that Oswald could have taken delivery of the Carcano in the way Harry Holmes alleged.

On the day of the assassination no one saw Oswald take any package into the TSBD that could reasonably have contained C2766. Vigorous attempts were made to induce Buell Wesley Frazier, Linne May Randle and Jack Dougherty to say otherwise but these attempts failed. There is strong evidence that Oswald could not have fabricated the bag alleged to have been used to carry C2766 into the TSBD and a complete absence of photographic evidence that the bag ever existed.

The testimonial evidence raises more questions than it ever answers. The conduct and professionalism of the DPD officers involved in the finding and handling of C2766 was dire. The testimonies of Fritz, Day and Weitzman in particular are replete with prevarication and equivocation. In taking the testimony of these officers the WC counsel had ample opportunity to fully air all the issues raised and to clarify the ambiguities. In failing to do so, the WC counsel were culpable.

Perhaps most damning of all is the destruction/loss of evidence and the fabrication of new evidence. It must have been apparent to the WC that something was wrong. Why, for example, rely upon Postal Inspector Harry D. Holmes to explain the procedure for handling post box application forms when it would have been a simple matter to obtain the official procedure manual? Why accept the evidence provided by Holmes and the FBI that Hidell was not authorized to collect mail from P.O. Box 2915 when they could not have known this unless they had seen Part 3 of the form supposedly destroyed?

So many years after the assassination it has still been possible to trace the history of C2766 and the evidence tendered in support of it being the assassination weapon. It is not possible to state that Lee Harvey Oswald was not involved in some way with the assassination but I am satisfied that the evidence linking him to C2766 is not legitimate.

http://www.oocities.org/whiskey99a/carcano.html

randge  posted on  2016-07-10   19:18:41 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: randge (#23)

As Oswald observed shortly before his demise, "I'm a patsy."

Truth, and end of Lee's involvement.

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