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Title: WhoRU
Source: rbnlive
URL Source: http://www.rbnlive.com/programs.html
Published: Feb 18, 2006
Author: Eric Williams
Post Date: 2006-02-18 13:25:06 by Itisa1mosttoolate
Keywords: WhoRU
Views: 1585
Comments: 66

http://www.rbnlive.com/programs.html

WhoRU: What is Right
vs. What Will Work?
Host: Eric Williams
Website: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/whoru
Call-in Number: 800-313-9443
Time: Saturday, 5:00 pm - 7:00 pm CST

WhoRU?? Eric is tired of listening to the same old, "Go no where - eat meet and retreat,
" tripe continually regurgitated by those aggravated by the Unconstitutional acts of the
government who advise everyone to re-educate their neighbors - it hasn't happened in forty
years and, lets face it, it ain't ever going to happen. It is time to take a hard look at what
does not work and why, discard the proven unworkable and employ the realistic. Eric fairly
well agrees with the basic philosophy of most free thinking libertarians
(Eric is a Lysander Spooner Anarchist with a strong pragmatic survival inclination); however
Eric differs from the average patriot in that Eric presents a viable, workable "no cost" solution
that can easily be applied by any and all individuals serious about exercising their individual
personal sovereignty, without the necessity of converting the entire population before personally
reaping the benefits of freedom. Eric has gone back to the beginning, July 4, 1776, located a thread
of immunity and followed that thread through the Thirteenth and Fourteenth Amendments. Eric has
determined obtaining immunity is as simple as acknowledging that no one knows when they were born.
We cannot get to where we want to be from where we ought to be until we first get to where we ought
to be and we cannot get to where we ought to be until we first admit we are where we are. Eric takes
calls from listeners without a screener. Once you get in you are free to challenge or, perhaps, even
agree with Eric's analysis

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13th. Amendment to the U.S. Constitution


Section 1. Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.

Section 2. Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.

The "right to contract" is specified in the Constitution also but EVERY TIME you sign your name you are making a "contract" which violate the above 13th amendment. BUT it is not a "violation" because you "volenteered".

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#14. To: Feynman Lives! (#13)

GOOGLE it the one participating in censorship.

under contract dictated by the government

China is a Communist Dictatorship. Google doesn't do it on their own. They CANNOT disreguard the Dictatership orders. The do "willingly" OR ELSE THE DON'T DO IT AT ALL.

The mind once expanded by a new idea never returns to its' original size

Itisa1mosttoolate  posted on  2006-02-18   15:35:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: Itisa1mosttoolate (#14)

China is a Communist Dictatorship. Google doesn't do it on their own. They CANNOT disreguard the Dictatership orders. The do "willingly" OR ELSE THE DON'T DO IT AT ALL

And just HOW is China gonna stop them?

You can't STOP the internet from getting to my computer. SO, there is no way for them to stop Google from getting into China uncensored.

GOOGLE engaged in CENSORSHIP by agreeing with China's REQUEST. They didn't have to do it, they CHOSE to do it.

"There are 10 the 11th power stars in the galaxy. That used to be a huge number. But it's only a hundred billion. It's less than the national deficit! We used to call them astronomical numbers. Now we should call them economical numbers." ----Richard Feynman
"THE GOVERNMENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA IS NOT, IN ANY SENSE, FOUNDED ON THE CHRISTIAN RELIGION." ----1796 Treaty of Tripoli — initiated by George Washington and signed into law by John Adams

Feynman Lives!  posted on  2006-02-18   15:42:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: Feynman Lives! (#15)

Don't you understand, if they didn't agree, China would not have allowed to offer it in their country. China has the upper hand. When someone has the upper hand you are not a sovern. Listen to the shows instead of arguing about China.

But thank you for keeping this thread at the top.

The mind once expanded by a new idea never returns to its' original size

Itisa1mosttoolate  posted on  2006-02-18   15:49:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: Itisa1mosttoolate (#16)

Don't you understand, if they didn't agree, China would not have allowed to offer it in their country

How is China gonna stop them?

They can't stop satellite transmission, they can't stop cell phones... all they can do is LIMIT access... they can NOT stop them.

"There are 10 the 11th power stars in the galaxy. That used to be a huge number. But it's only a hundred billion. It's less than the national deficit! We used to call them astronomical numbers. Now we should call them economical numbers." ----Richard Feynman
"THE GOVERNMENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA IS NOT, IN ANY SENSE, FOUNDED ON THE CHRISTIAN RELIGION." ----1796 Treaty of Tripoli — initiated by George Washington and signed into law by John Adams

Feynman Lives!  posted on  2006-02-18   15:56:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Feynman Lives! (#17)

OK, you move over there and enjoy youself.

The mind once expanded by a new idea never returns to its' original size

Itisa1mosttoolate  posted on  2006-02-18   16:02:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: Itisa1mosttoolate (#18)

OK, you move over there and enjoy youself.

See, I just proved that you were wrong and this is all you can respond with now.

There is no way China could have stopped Google from getting in their country.

GOOGLE is engaging in overt censorship and you are trying to put the blame on China.

"There are 10 the 11th power stars in the galaxy. That used to be a huge number. But it's only a hundred billion. It's less than the national deficit! We used to call them astronomical numbers. Now we should call them economical numbers." ----Richard Feynman
"THE GOVERNMENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA IS NOT, IN ANY SENSE, FOUNDED ON THE CHRISTIAN RELIGION." ----1796 Treaty of Tripoli — initiated by George Washington and signed into law by John Adams

Feynman Lives!  posted on  2006-02-18   16:04:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: Feynman Lives! (#19)

Is China a dictatorship? (Yes)your answer______________

Can you do anything you want in a dictatorship? (No) your answer________________

Why is Google filtering out certain sites stipulated by the Communist Gov't? (because China mandates it do it) your answer_________________

The mind once expanded by a new idea never returns to its' original size

Itisa1mosttoolate  posted on  2006-02-18   16:21:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: Itisa1mosttoolate (#20)

To: Feynman Lives! Is China a dictatorship? (Yes)your answer______________

Can you do anything you want in a dictatorship? (No) your answer________________

Why is Google filtering out certain sites stipulated by the Communist Gov't? (because China mandates it do it) your answer_________________

LOL...

Silly one... ask the wrong questions...

Is GOOGLE on the internet? (yes) your answer________

Can China STOP Google from being on the internet? (no) your answer____

Can China STOP Google from getting into computers inside Chinese Territory WITHOUT the help of Google? (no) your answer______

Can China DO anything to Google if they don't comply with China's request? (no) your answer_____

China being a dictatorship does not come into play in this matter.

GOOGLE is engaging willingly in censorship.

"There are 10 the 11th power stars in the galaxy. That used to be a huge number. But it's only a hundred billion. It's less than the national deficit! We used to call them astronomical numbers. Now we should call them economical numbers." ----Richard Feynman
"THE GOVERNMENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA IS NOT, IN ANY SENSE, FOUNDED ON THE CHRISTIAN RELIGION." ----1796 Treaty of Tripoli — initiated by George Washington and signed into law by John Adams

Feynman Lives!  posted on  2006-02-18   16:26:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: Feynman Lives! (#21)

Google to censor itself in China

Thursday, January 26, 2006 Posted: 0540 GMT (1340 HKT)

(CNN) -- Internet search engine Google has rolled out a China-based version of its popular Web site -- one that bows to Beijing's censorship laws and will edit the content of its results.

Google.cn -- the Chinese language version of the search portal -- debuted Wednesday with the company acknowledging the balancing act it was attempting to perform.

"In order to operate from China, we have removed some content from the search results available on Google.cn, in response to local law, regulation or policy," a Google statement said.

"While removing search results is inconsistent with Google's mission, providing no information (or a heavily degraded user experience that amounts to no information) is more inconsistent with our mission."

Google said it intends to report to users when information is removed from search results. The company says it does the same thing in response to local laws in Germany, France and the United States.

Prior to Wednesday's debut in China, Google operated the Chinese-language version of the search engine through a link on its U.S. Web site, http://Google.com.

Previously, the Beijing government blocked the results of search requests that violated its regulations. The new Google site will self-censor based on Chinese law.

The Google statement said the tradeoff for going against its basic principle of making the "world's information universally available and accessible" is gaining greater access to a quickly growing Chinese economy.

"As an emerging economic powerhouse, China is developing rapidly, thanks in no small measure to the Internet," Google said. "We firmly believe, with our culture of innovation, Google can make meaningful and positive contributions to the already impressive pace of development in China."

Google's cooperation with the Chinese government comes on the heels of the company's resistance to a U.S. Justice Department subpoena, asking Google to turn over a week's worth of search results.

The request is part of a case designed to protect children from Internet porn.

Google said the government query "overreaches."

http://edition.c nn.com/2006/BUSINESS/01/25/google.china/

This article makes it very clear that Google did not, willy nilly choose to do it on their own, they did it under pressure/contract by the Chineese Gov't.

The mind once expanded by a new idea never returns to its' original size

Itisa1mosttoolate  posted on  2006-02-18   16:38:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: Itisa1mosttoolate (#22)

Gosh you actually mean the CHINESE government said do this or 'die' so to speak?

Zipporah  posted on  2006-02-18   16:39:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: Itisa1mosttoolate (#22)

Google to censor itself in China

You lose this debate with your OPENING sentence.

"Google to censor itself in China "

GOOGLE to CENSOR ITSELF...

Is GOOGLE on the internet? (yes) your answer________

Can China STOP Google from being on the internet? (no) your answer____

Can China STOP Google from getting into computers inside Chinese Territory WITHOUT the help of Google? (no) your answer______

Can China DO anything to Google if they don't comply with China's request? (no) your answer_____

China being a dictatorship does not come into play in this matter.

GOOGLE is engaging willingly in censorship.

"There are 10 the 11th power stars in the galaxy. That used to be a huge number. But it's only a hundred billion. It's less than the national deficit! We used to call them astronomical numbers. Now we should call them economical numbers." ----Richard Feynman
"THE GOVERNMENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA IS NOT, IN ANY SENSE, FOUNDED ON THE CHRISTIAN RELIGION." ----1796 Treaty of Tripoli — initiated by George Washington and signed into law by John Adams

Feynman Lives!  posted on  2006-02-18   16:41:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: Zipporah (#23)

Gosh you actually mean the CHINESE government said do this or 'die' so to speak?

LOL... exactly... and just HOW were they planning on enforcing this? Send a plane to bomb Google Headquarters? Or do they have some enormous pillowcase and a big lake of chocolate pudding?

"There are 10 the 11th power stars in the galaxy. That used to be a huge number. But it's only a hundred billion. It's less than the national deficit! We used to call them astronomical numbers. Now we should call them economical numbers." ----Richard Feynman
"THE GOVERNMENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA IS NOT, IN ANY SENSE, FOUNDED ON THE CHRISTIAN RELIGION." ----1796 Treaty of Tripoli — initiated by George Washington and signed into law by John Adams

Feynman Lives!  posted on  2006-02-18   16:44:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: Feynman Lives! (#24)

Read the article

Google is buckling under the pressure of China.

They are NOT doing on their own, They are being FORCED by the Communist Gov't

You tell me where is says they are doing it of their own volition.

The mind once expanded by a new idea never returns to its' original size

Itisa1mosttoolate  posted on  2006-02-18   16:47:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: Itisa1mosttoolate (#26)

They are being FORCED by the Communist Gov't

Just how are they being FORCED?

What could China do to them if they refused?

Not much.

Do tell...

"There are 10 the 11th power stars in the galaxy. That used to be a huge number. But it's only a hundred billion. It's less than the national deficit! We used to call them astronomical numbers. Now we should call them economical numbers." ----Richard Feynman
"THE GOVERNMENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA IS NOT, IN ANY SENSE, FOUNDED ON THE CHRISTIAN RELIGION." ----1796 Treaty of Tripoli — initiated by George Washington and signed into law by John Adams

Feynman Lives!  posted on  2006-02-18   16:49:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: Feynman Lives! (#27)

I repeat

You tell me where is says they are doing it of their own volition.

The mind once expanded by a new idea never returns to its' original size

Itisa1mosttoolate  posted on  2006-02-18   16:51:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: Zipporah (#23)

Do this or don't operate in our country.

The mind once expanded by a new idea never returns to its' original size

Itisa1mosttoolate  posted on  2006-02-18   16:54:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: Feynman Lives! (#25)

LOL... exactly... and just HOW were they planning on enforcing this? Send a plane to bomb Google Headquarters? Or do they have some enormous pillowcase and a big lake of chocolate pudding?

Block them from operating in China.. plain and simple.

Zipporah  posted on  2006-02-18   16:54:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: Zipporah (#30)

GOP using churches for recruiting

http://www.washingtonpost.c om/wp- dyn/content/article/2006/02/17/AR2006021701978.html

By Alan Cooperman
Washington Post Staff Writer
Saturday, February 18, 2006; Page A19

The North Carolina Republican Party asked its members this week to send their church directories to the party, drawing furious protests from local and national religious leaders.

"Such a request is completely beyond the pale of what is acceptable," said the Rev. Richard Land, head of the Ethics and Religious Liberty Commission of the Southern Baptist Convention.

During the 2004 presidential race, the Bush-Cheney campaign sent a similar request to Republican activists across the country. It asked churchgoers not only to furnish church directories to the campaign, but also to use their churches as a base for political organizing.

The tactic was roundly condemned by religious leaders across the political spectrum, including conservative evangelical Christians. Ten professors of ethics at major seminaries and universities wrote a letter to President Bush in August 2004 asking him to "repudiate the actions of your re-election campaign," and calling on both parties to "respect the integrity of all houses of worship."

Officials of the Republican National Committee maintained that the tactic did not violate federal tax laws that prohibit churches from endorsing or opposing candidates for office, and they never formally renounced it. But Land said he thought the GOP had backed down.

"I heard nothing further about it, so my assumption was that it stopped, at least at the national level," he said.

Yesterday, the Greensboro News & Record reported that the North Carolina Republican Party was collecting church directories, and it quoted two local pastors as objecting to the practice. The Rev. Richard Byrd Jr. of Cornerstone Baptist Church in Greensboro said anyone who sent in a directory "would be betraying the trust of the membership," and the Rev. Ken Massey of the city's First Baptist Church said the request was "encroaching on sacred territory."

Chris Mears, the state party's political director, made the request in a Feb. 15 memo titled "The pew and the ballot box" that was sent by e-mail to "Registered Republicans in North Carolina."

Mears said the "Republican National Committee has completed a study on grass- roots activity that reveals that people who regularly attend church usually vote Republican when they vote."

"In light of this study's findings, it is imperative that we register, educate and get these potential voters from the pew to the ballot box. To do this we must know who these people are," the memo continued.

"I am requesting that you collect as many church directories as you can and send them to me in an effort to fully register, educate and energize North Carolina's congregations to vote in the 2006 elections," it said.

It added that the "North Carolina Republican Party holds your church's directory in strict confidence" and will not use it "to solicit church members for any other reason."

The mind once expanded by a new idea never returns to its' original size

Itisa1mosttoolate  posted on  2006-02-18   17:01:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: Zipporah (#30)

LOL... exactly... and just HOW were they planning on enforcing this? Send a plane to bomb Google Headquarters? Or do they have some enormous pillowcase and a big lake of chocolate pudding? Block them from operating in China.. plain and simple.

And just HOW could they BLOCK them from operating in China?

Do tell...

They can't STOP them from being on the internet, and China can't control all the internet access in their country.

China bluffed and Google flinched, and then willingly engaged in censorship.

"There are 10 the 11th power stars in the galaxy. That used to be a huge number. But it's only a hundred billion. It's less than the national deficit! We used to call them astronomical numbers. Now we should call them economical numbers." ----Richard Feynman
"THE GOVERNMENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA IS NOT, IN ANY SENSE, FOUNDED ON THE CHRISTIAN RELIGION." ----1796 Treaty of Tripoli — initiated by George Washington and signed into law by John Adams

Feynman Lives!  posted on  2006-02-18   17:05:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: Itisa1mosttoolate (#29)

Do this or don't operate in our country

THEY CAN'T STOP THEM FROM BEING ON THE INTERNET.

"There are 10 the 11th power stars in the galaxy. That used to be a huge number. But it's only a hundred billion. It's less than the national deficit! We used to call them astronomical numbers. Now we should call them economical numbers." ----Richard Feynman
"THE GOVERNMENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA IS NOT, IN ANY SENSE, FOUNDED ON THE CHRISTIAN RELIGION." ----1796 Treaty of Tripoli — initiated by George Washington and signed into law by John Adams

Feynman Lives!  posted on  2006-02-18   17:06:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: Feynman Lives! (#33)

I repeat (AGAIN)

You tell me where is says they are doing it of their own volition.

The mind once expanded by a new idea never returns to its' original size

Itisa1mosttoolate  posted on  2006-02-18   17:09:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: Itisa1mosttoolate (#26)

You tell me where is says they are doing it of their own volition.

The OPENING sentence.

"Google to censor itself in China "

Google to censor ITSELF, that is a volitional act.

Nice try, thanks for playing...

"There are 10 the 11th power stars in the galaxy. That used to be a huge number. But it's only a hundred billion. It's less than the national deficit! We used to call them astronomical numbers. Now we should call them economical numbers." ----Richard Feynman
"THE GOVERNMENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA IS NOT, IN ANY SENSE, FOUNDED ON THE CHRISTIAN RELIGION." ----1796 Treaty of Tripoli — initiated by George Washington and signed into law by John Adams

Feynman Lives!  posted on  2006-02-18   17:09:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: Feynman Lives! (#32)

Why do you take always take things to the ridiculous?... #1 HOW does Google make $$?? ADVERTISING for one thing.. DUH..

#2 http://www.stanford.edu/~mdelgado/cs201/golden_shield.htm

Zipporah  posted on  2006-02-18   17:11:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: Feynman Lives! (#35)

SINCE IT WRITES THE CODE IT ONLY "LOOKS" LIKE THEIR VOLITION BUT WHY WOULD THEY WANT TO DO THAT? THEY SAID TO MEET THE GOV'T REQUIREMENTS.

Yes they do it under orders from the gov't.

The mind once expanded by a new idea never returns to its' original size

Itisa1mosttoolate  posted on  2006-02-18   17:14:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: Zipporah (#36)

Zip,

This does not in any way take away from the fact that GOOGLE engaged in SELF CENSORSHIP, China simply made a request.

China can not force Google to censor themselves, NOR can they stop Google from getting into their country.

My initial assertion was that China could not BAN Google from their country.

Which is correct, they can't.

"There are 10 the 11th power stars in the galaxy. That used to be a huge number. But it's only a hundred billion. It's less than the national deficit! We used to call them astronomical numbers. Now we should call them economical numbers." ----Richard Feynman
"THE GOVERNMENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA IS NOT, IN ANY SENSE, FOUNDED ON THE CHRISTIAN RELIGION." ----1796 Treaty of Tripoli — initiated by George Washington and signed into law by John Adams

Feynman Lives!  posted on  2006-02-18   17:15:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: Itisa1mosttoolate (#37)

SINCE IT WRITES THE CODE IT ONLY "LOOKS" LIKE THEIR VOLITION BUT WHY WOULD THEY WANT TO DO THAT? THEY SAID TO MEET THE GOV'T REQUIREMENTS.

How, exactly would China KEEP THEM OUT?

The Chinese Government can't stop them from operating in China.

"There are 10 the 11th power stars in the galaxy. That used to be a huge number. But it's only a hundred billion. It's less than the national deficit! We used to call them astronomical numbers. Now we should call them economical numbers." ----Richard Feynman
"THE GOVERNMENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA IS NOT, IN ANY SENSE, FOUNDED ON THE CHRISTIAN RELIGION." ----1796 Treaty of Tripoli — initiated by George Washington and signed into law by John Adams

Feynman Lives!  posted on  2006-02-18   17:17:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: Feynman Lives! (#39)

Then you contact them and tell them not to censor the sites that the Dictatorship is telling them to.

And get back to us when you succeed, following your orders and NOT of the orders from the China Gov't.

I'll even bet you money you don't succeed.

The mind once expanded by a new idea never returns to its' original size

Itisa1mosttoolate  posted on  2006-02-18   17:21:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: Itisa1mosttoolate (#37)

SINCE IT WRITES THE CODE IT ONLY "LOOKS" LIKE THEIR VOLITION BUT WHY WOULD THEY WANT TO DO THAT?

WHY?

To make more MONEY because they are a greedy corporation.

Google CHOSE willingly to engage in CENSORSHIP because they wanted to make even MORE money.

That is the ONLY reason that they acted, they did not fear being banned by the Chinese government, because China CAN'T stop them. They just did what would make them the most money because they don't care about censorship, they care about PROFITS.

Google willingly engaged in censorship.

"There are 10 the 11th power stars in the galaxy. That used to be a huge number. But it's only a hundred billion. It's less than the national deficit! We used to call them astronomical numbers. Now we should call them economical numbers." ----Richard Feynman
"THE GOVERNMENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA IS NOT, IN ANY SENSE, FOUNDED ON THE CHRISTIAN RELIGION." ----1796 Treaty of Tripoli — initiated by George Washington and signed into law by John Adams

Feynman Lives!  posted on  2006-02-18   17:25:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: Feynman Lives! (#38)

Oh really?

The Great Firewall

And as I said, how does Google operate?? Advertising dollars.. they can't "operate" in China if they dont comply.. they can't get advertising.. most importantly. Get real.

Zipporah  posted on  2006-02-18   17:25:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: Itisa1mosttoolate (#40)

Then you contact them and tell them not to censor the sites that the Dictatorship is telling them to.

And get back to us when you succeed, following your orders and NOT of the orders from the China Gov't.

I'll even bet you money you don't succeed.

Why would I care what Google chooses to do? They are free to act as they see fit.

I am simply stating the fact that they willingly engaged in censorship.

"There are 10 the 11th power stars in the galaxy. That used to be a huge number. But it's only a hundred billion. It's less than the national deficit! We used to call them astronomical numbers. Now we should call them economical numbers." ----Richard Feynman
"THE GOVERNMENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA IS NOT, IN ANY SENSE, FOUNDED ON THE CHRISTIAN RELIGION." ----1796 Treaty of Tripoli — initiated by George Washington and signed into law by John Adams

Feynman Lives!  posted on  2006-02-18   17:26:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: Zipporah (#42)

Oh really?

The Great Firewall

And as I said, how does Google operate?? Advertising dollars.. they can't "operate" in China if they dont comply.. they can't get advertising.. most importantly. Get real

That only stops landline access. What about satellite and cell phone access? Their "great wall" does not stop them.

China CAN'T stop Google from getting inside their country. At BEST, they can only limit their access.

Google WILLINGLY engaged in censorship.

"There are 10 the 11th power stars in the galaxy. That used to be a huge number. But it's only a hundred billion. It's less than the national deficit! We used to call them astronomical numbers. Now we should call them economical numbers." ----Richard Feynman
"THE GOVERNMENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA IS NOT, IN ANY SENSE, FOUNDED ON THE CHRISTIAN RELIGION." ----1796 Treaty of Tripoli — initiated by George Washington and signed into law by John Adams

Feynman Lives!  posted on  2006-02-18   17:29:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: Feynman Lives! (#44)

I've come to a conclusion .. about you:

Zipporah  posted on  2006-02-18   17:33:14 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: Feynman Lives! - Dick the Liar (#44)

Jethro Tull  posted on  2006-02-18   17:33:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: Jethro Tull (#46)

ROFLMAO!!! SAME thought .. SAME PIC !!!!!!! LOL!

Zipporah  posted on  2006-02-18   17:34:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: Zipporah (#42)

from your link

Rules and regulations Ever since the Internet was allowed into China in 1995, all service has been funneled through government servers whose administrators capriciously block access to Western news sites, Chinese dissident sites, Taiwanese newspapers, and other material deemed objectionable. A powerful Ministry of Information Industry has been created to regulate Chinese access to the Internet, while the Ministry of State Security has been assigned to monitor local use of the Internet.

somebody has the mentality of BeAChooser

The mind once expanded by a new idea never returns to its' original size

Itisa1mosttoolate  posted on  2006-02-18   17:34:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: Zipporah (#45)

ROFLMAO!

"There are 10 the 11th power stars in the galaxy. That used to be a huge number. But it's only a hundred billion. It's less than the national deficit! We used to call them astronomical numbers. Now we should call them economical numbers." ----Richard Feynman
"THE GOVERNMENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA IS NOT, IN ANY SENSE, FOUNDED ON THE CHRISTIAN RELIGION." ----1796 Treaty of Tripoli — initiated by George Washington and signed into law by John Adams

Feynman Lives!  posted on  2006-02-18   17:35:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: Itisa1mosttoolate (#48)

somebody has the mentality of BeAChooser

Exactly!..

IF I can remember correctly, They've been looking into utilizing something similar in the US.. and I believe there were western corporations involved in it's development.

Zipporah  posted on  2006-02-18   17:37:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#51. To: Zipporah (#50)

IF I can remember correctly, They've been looking into utilizing something similar in the US.. and I believe there were western corporations involved in it's development.

China can't stop ALL access to the internet in their country, just landline access.

Google made a business decision to willingly engage in censorship.

"There are 10 the 11th power stars in the galaxy. That used to be a huge number. But it's only a hundred billion. It's less than the national deficit! We used to call them astronomical numbers. Now we should call them economical numbers." ----Richard Feynman
"THE GOVERNMENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA IS NOT, IN ANY SENSE, FOUNDED ON THE CHRISTIAN RELIGION." ----1796 Treaty of Tripoli — initiated by George Washington and signed into law by John Adams

Feynman Lives!  posted on  2006-02-18   17:39:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#52. To: Feynman Lives! (#51)

What does this:

IF I can remember correctly, They've been looking into utilizing something similar in the US.. and I believe there were western corporations involved in it's development.

Have to do with this:

China can't stop ALL access to the internet in their country, just landline access.

Google made a business decision to willingly engage in censorship.

Zipporah  posted on  2006-02-18   17:41:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#53. To: Zipporah Itisa1mosttoolate (#30)

LOL... exactly... and just HOW were they planning on enforcing this? Send a plane to bomb Google Headquarters? Or do they have some enormous pillowcase and a big lake of chocolate pudding?

Just goes to show what a numb nuts this guy is that he cannot grasp the simple fact of how easily the internet can be censored.

The Chinese were tired of having their techs do the blocking. So, when Google decided they wanted to put up an actual Chinese language version, Google.cn, it was no biggie for the technocratic Chicoms to demand Goodgle conform to Chinese laws which restrict the flow of information, in effect controlling what you think.

The liberty of a democracy is not safe if the people tolerate the growth of private power to a point where it becomes stronger than their democratic State itself. That, in its essence, is Fascism -- ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or any controlling private power. Franklin Delano Roosevelt

BTP Holdings  posted on  2006-02-18   17:42:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#54. To: BTP Holdings (#53)

LOL... exactly... and just HOW were they planning on enforcing this? Send a plane to bomb Google Headquarters? Or do they have some enormous pillowcase and a big lake of chocolate pudding? Just goes to show what a numb nuts this guy is that he cannot grasp the simple fact of how easily the internet can be censored.

The Chinese were tired of having their techs do the blocking. So, when Google decided they wanted to put up an actual Chinese language version, Google.cn, it was no biggie for the technocratic Chicoms to demand Goodgle conform to Chinese laws which restrict the flow of information, in effect controlling what you think.

BTP,

They can block LANDLINE access only. There are MANY ways to access the internet without using landlines.

"There are 10 the 11th power stars in the galaxy. That used to be a huge number. But it's only a hundred billion. It's less than the national deficit! We used to call them astronomical numbers. Now we should call them economical numbers." ----Richard Feynman
"THE GOVERNMENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA IS NOT, IN ANY SENSE, FOUNDED ON THE CHRISTIAN RELIGION." ----1796 Treaty of Tripoli — initiated by George Washington and signed into law by John Adams

Feynman Lives!  posted on  2006-02-18   17:45:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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