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Title: Making Islam Illegal -- Is It The West's Only Choice?
Source: www.renewamerica.us
URL Source: http://www.renewamerica.us/columns/huston/060219
Published: Feb 19, 2006
Author: Warner Todd Huston
Post Date: 2006-02-20 11:28:07 by Mind_Virus
Keywords: Illegal, Choice?, Making
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Comments: 108

Making Islam Illegal -- Is It The West's Only Choice?

Warner Todd Huston February 19, 2006

When President Bush gave his "axis of evil" speech he went out of his way to make the world understand that it isn't a war with Islam itself that we were joining — and I say joining because the war had been started by the Jihadists decades before. And, in observance to our Western principles, that must be the correct way to view our conflagration with radical Islam.

Let's face facts, it certainly is uncomfortable to a Westerner who has been brought up on tolerance, freedom of religion, and liberty to contemplate a war against an entire religion. But are we approaching a time when Western nations won't have a choice but to target Islam itself in certain ways to keep their own people safe. The best course of action is to make public displays of Islam and certain of its practices illegal in Western nations.

So, the question becomes are we at that time now? Are we fast approaching a time when Mosques will be closed and banned? Have we come to a time when Islamic literature is turned away from our borders? Have the childish and dangerous reactions of Muslims to this cartoon in a Danish newspaper proven that Islam cannot be trusted to be a vital, peaceful, and law-abiding segment of society?

It is looking like yes is the answer to these queries.

We are already approaching this today. In Ontario they have officially outlawed Muslim Sharia law, that law that uses religious precepts to enforce moral and society codes of conduct. And Muslim "family councils" have been stopped where local community groups may supplement Canadian law with their local custom.

Several members of the John Howard administration in Australia have spoken out against Islamic clashes with Western notions of law and societal comportment many times over the last few years.

Recently Howard himself said, "I do think there is this particular complication because there is a fragment which is utterly antagonistic to our kind of society, and that is a difficulty ... You can't find any equivalent in Italian, or Greek, or Lebanese, or Chinese or Baltic immigration to Australia. There is no equivalent of raving on about jihad, but that is the major problem."

Muslims routinely destroy property, threaten death and bodily harm to those who speak out against them, and they constantly fund terrorism throughout the world. In Syria they have burnt an embassy, in Europe Muslims have been responsible for murdering people who have written out against Islam or made movies, and other forms of art. These actions are also approved by Islamic teachers (Imams) and religious leaders, not just undertaken by warped loners claiming to represent Islam quite against the will of the majority or authority.

With this ridiculous cartoon issue, we have seen that Islam has no sense of perspective. In the west parody or satire is seen as not only common, but completely harmless for the most part. And religion is not immune to parody and satire, though even in the west most people are often uncomfortable with religious satire. Usually only people filled with hate attack religion in parody and most in the West instinctively know this. As a result, most people dismiss such parody as foolishness and bad taste.

But with Muslims overreacting — in western eyes at least — to this silly cartoon issue in the way they have, it becomes nearly impossible for Westerners to view Islam as a peaceful religion, but more as a vicious hate group itself. And that perception is justified with the actions that Muslims have increasingly perpetrated over the ensuing years. So, we find that Islam presents a danger to the safety of the populace all too often. It is violent, oppressive, and reactionary.

But, what is to be done about it? We have been raised to feel that religion should be left untouched by government. Freedom of religion is at the very core of our beliefs. And this concept is an important one to uphold. So, how can we honestly and without hypocrisy begin to look toward making Islam illegal?

There is a parallel of sorts in the USA that might be used as a template for action. The Ku klux Klan.

After the Civil War ended, the KKK arose from the ashes of war as an advocacy group for the disenfranchised white voter in the south. But it quickly became a terrorist organization bent on taking out revenge on the south's newly freed black population for having lost the war. It got so bad that even one of the original organizers, C.S. Cavalry General Nathan Bedford Forrest, denounced the organization and quit it in disgust.

But as the late 1800s rolled on and the south began to re-enter the Union as full partners in government, the KKK began to lose steam and prominence. For a time it subsided. But as the 20th century neared, it re-emerged and this time became a nationwide and powerful force taking on the flavor of religious, civic and racial duty. The KKK became invested in government and claimed millions of members nation wide.

In the 1920s, however, it became too much for a liberty loving country to allow the KKK to any longer exist. In Indiana, the entire state government was scandalized by their fealty to Indiana's Klan leader who had raped and beaten his secretary on a train trip. Violence against and frequent lynching of southern blacks became so pervasive that Congress finally acted and banned the Klan. The organization collapsed never again to reclaim the power and prominence it once had.

Now, the KKK has always based its precepts on Christianity, as well as racial identity. It also reacted with violence, rallies, death threats and killing when it was threatened. It careened far away from being a mere "idea" or religious theology and became a terrorist organization. And it became a terrorist organization even though literally millions of Americans that belonged to or identified with the Klan were not themselves violent, evil, or dangerous citizens.

The leadership of the Klan supported violence. The leadership preached violence. The leadership planned and fomented it. Therefore, it had to go because it became a danger to every law-abiding citizen, whether they agreed with the racial and religious concepts the Klan espoused or not.

Islam has become the KKK of the 21st century. The sooner we awake to this truth and take steps to ban the religion, or somehow curtail its pernicious influence the better. The west is going to have to put sever restrictions on Islamic Mosques and public display of Islam. Further, devout Muslims should not be allowed to hold public office (though it certainly should not become a racial issue — sins of the father should not be visited upon the sons).

This is no religious purge as in centuries past. In the past religions were banned to be replaced by the state sponsored sect and believers of the banned religion were mistreated, tortured, unduly taxed, and terrorized. This is absolutely not the model the west would follow by banning aspects of Islam today. No religion is replacing Islam and no one is suggesting that Muslims be mistreated. But the creed to which they hold is fast becoming the most dangerous one in the world today. It is a fine line that we walk to consider banning Islam, but the safety of society is at risk not to do so.

This is not an easy conclusion at which to arrive. But if we continue to turn a blind eye to the danger that Islam presents to the west, we are signing our own death warrants.

The KKK was put down in the USA and made powerless for the same reason. Communism was destroyed for the same reason, as well. Islam is a danger to the world.

Unfortunately, it is just that simple.

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#7. To: Mind_Virus (#0)

Gee the bullshit just keeps coming..

Zipporah  posted on  2006-02-20   12:37:30 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Zipporah (#7)

What B.S. are you talking about? Banning a religion or banning certain practices of a religion.? Sorry i'm not following your reference.

There are basic tenets of Islam which, if lived out, would destroy every other religion/philosophy/culture which isn't it. This is Allah's will and explicit command. Bottom line is that Isalm as taught by its founder, mohammed, is seditious is the truest sense of the word. Also, the pracitce, again with mohammed as the example and law-giver, of multiple wives and sex slavery cannot be tolerated in western cultures so that a muslim is prohibed by non-islamic laws from fully practicing their religion. True beliver-muslims cannot tolerate being dominated by another religious or nonreligious system. The hateful sharia laws are another example of islamic religion that cannot be allowed in western cultures.

That being said, it only muddies the conversation to point out that we dropped napalm on asia villiages and as a nation support a thoroughly wicked government who has done/is doing dispicable things to muslims and others all over the world. One more thing, not all muslims, as we all know, are true believers and wish to live under the restrictions and insanity of islam but are unwilling to shed themselves of their islamic identity. Live and let such people live just as we do the deluded warmongering fundamentalist christians who want to take over the government, but haven't yet resorted to violence that i'm aware of. Freedom of thought, not always freedom of action is the american way.

fatidic  posted on  2006-02-20   13:01:41 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: fatidic (#10)

There are basic tenets of Islam which, if lived out, would destroy every other religion/philosophy/culture which isn't it. This is Allah's will and explicit command.

At some point; Muslims will outnumber Christians and Jews in this country. Does anyone REALLY believe the Muslims will allow those minority Christians and Jews to practice their religious beliefs under the 1st Amendment to the Constitution?

who knows what evil  posted on  2006-02-20   13:21:40 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: who knows what evil (#12)

At some point; Muslims will outnumber Christians and Jews in this country. Does anyone REALLY believe the Muslims will allow those minority Christians and Jews to practice their religious beliefs under the 1st Amendment to the Constitution?

We are a nation of laws.. and a Constitution although our president says it's a goddamned piece of paper..This is about protecting the rights of others in order to protect ourselves..

Zipporah  posted on  2006-02-20   13:27:24 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: Zipporah (#13)

We are a nation of laws.. and a Constitution although our president says it's a goddamned piece of paper..This is about protecting the rights of others in order to protect ourselves..

I'm quite clear on that...my question is "Will a Muslim majority UPHOLD those Constitutional laws?"

who knows what evil  posted on  2006-02-20   13:45:50 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: who knows what evil (#15)

I'm quite clear on that...my question is "Will a Muslim majority UPHOLD those Constitutional laws?"

How do we know? One problem as I see it is.. that what we have read about Islam is not from muslims themselves but rather from non-muslims. Much probably taken out of context.. just as there are many things in the bible sound pretty outrageous..

Exodus 21:15

15"Anyone who attacks his father or his mother must be put to death.

Leviticus 24:14

14"Take the blasphemer outside the camp. All those who heard him are to lay their hands on his head, and the entire assembly is to stone him.

Exodus 21:16

16"Anyone who kidnaps another and either sells him or still has him when he is caught must be put to death.

Leviticus 21:9

9"'If a priest's daughter defiles herself by becoming a prostitute, she disgraces her father; she must be burned in the fire.

Leviticus 20:10

10"'If a man commits adultery with another man's wife--with the wife of his neighbor--both the adulterer and the adulteress must be put to death.

Deuteronomy 22:23-24

23If a man happens to meet in a town a virgin pledged to be married and he sleeps with her, 24you shall take both of them to the gate of that town and stone them to death--the girl because she was in a town and did not scream for help, and the man because he violated another man's wife. You must purge the evil from among you.

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#17. To: Zipporah (#16)

The propaganda about Islam is at a fever's pitch.. You could say close to the same thing about Christianity.. What this article espouses is absolutely against our Constitution.. if we don't defend the right of others to practice their religion ..then whose next??

To: who knows what evil

I'm quite clear on that...my question is "Will a Muslim majority UPHOLD those Constitutional laws?" How do we know? One problem as I see it is.. that what we have read about Islam is not from muslims themselves but rather from non-muslims. Much probably taken out of context.. just as there are many things in the bible sound pretty outrageous..

Zip, i think you are mixing up a lot of info that isn't clarifying the question of whether certain islamic practices should be banned by non-islamic countries. If this is not the issue then i have not understood the thrust of the article which, i know, asked if the religion itself should be banned, but which i narrowed to banning certain islamic pracitices since i don't think any of us would advocate banning an entire religion and that would be a short discussion indeed. Also, if you get your info about islam from sympathic sources of true believers you will have quite enough cause to feel alarmed, if not disguested. So forget the propaganda and look at the facts.

Listing a lot of Old Testament Scripture isn't helping to clarifying the dicussion either as the basic difference between a practicing orthodox jew and a practicing orthodox muslim has to do with a little thing called world domination with the former not being interested in and the latter being keen on. If you do not understand this then i'm sorry to say that you are ignorant of islamic history, mohammed's life and teachings and current events, no offense intended. Now i ask you, where are fundamentalist jews running around (outside of israel, of course) trying to take over governments and killing people because mosas is dissed?

As to the whether a muslim will uphold the u.s. constitution the answer is maybe, but you can't depend on it if they are on a religious mission to (there is a islamic term for hiding one's true intentions in order to take over the government and another for lying to non-muslims in the service of allah) take over. Besides, Zip, you're question ignores a basic fact that the u.s. constitution does not violate the basic tenets of christianity per se, while it must be acknowledged that it is in conflict with islamic principlesm e.g. freedom of speech, religion, the press and so on.

Once again i must ask what is wrong with banning certain islamic practices which contridict western laws? All religions must be subject to the same laws which should not be waived because there is a vile propaganda war going on to demonize muslims.

fatidic  posted on  2006-02-20   14:28:59 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: fatidic (#17)

That is exactly what I was addressing the proposal of the article. I do not get my information from any pro-Islamic sources.. I made the statement from observation of what people have said both in forums and on TV and radio.. You dont think there is a propanda campaign against Islam? Read this: Taxpayer dollars for anti-Islam propaganda in Iraq

Listing a lot of Old Testament Scripture isn't helping to clarifying the dicussion either as the basic difference between a practicing orthodox jew and a practicing orthodox muslim has to do with a little thing called world domination with the former not being interested in and the latter being keen on. If you do not understand this then i'm sorry to say that you are ignorant of islamic history, mohammed's life and teachings and current events, no offense intended. Now i ask you, where are fundamentalist jews running around (outside of israel, of course) trying to take over governments and killing people because mosas is dissed?

The listing of OT scripture was done for one purpose.. to show that there are scriptures in the bible that do compare to those that many cite as proof that Islam is evil... compare those scriptures with some that people cite re Islam not much different. And regarding world domination.. there was no real problem with Islam in this century other until the west meddled... And don't cite bin Laden and 9/11 for if you knew the history of bin Laden and the US, you'd well understand his connection with the CIA. Did you read the Fisk article? Do you understand just WHO published the articles in the Jyllands-Posten and what his connections are?? Do you know anything about the plight of the Palestinians and here http://www.anglicanjournal.com/127/02/af01.html (there are too many links to include here at this time)?? I do know the history of the middle east and Islam .. I'm not advocating their belief system.. what I am advocating for is MY freedom is in jeopardy whenever OTHERS' freedom is in jeopardy

As to the whether a muslim will uphold the u.s. constitution the answer is maybe, but you can't depend on it if they are on a religious mission to (there is a islamic term for hiding one's true intentions in order to take over the government and another for lying to non-muslims in the service of allah) take over. Besides, Zip, you're question ignores a basic fact that the u.s. constitution does not violate the basic tenets of christianity per se, while it must be acknowledged that it is in conflict with islamic principlesm e.g. freedom of speech, religion, the press and so on.

So you're basically saying is you are in favor of preemptive strikes against an entire religion and race due to what they MAY do?? So we just toss out the Constitution?? Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances. As I said and I'll repeat it.. if we dont protect the rights of ALL then our rights are in jeopardy.

And how may I ask is Islam against freedom of the press?? Are you going to cite the issues regarding the cartoons? Again I'll refer you to looking into just who Flemming Rose is.

Zipporah  posted on  2006-02-20   15:10:57 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#75. To: Zipporah (#28)

there was no real problem with Islam in this century other until the west meddled...

Exactly!

Once again history changes!

Those in charge of the show think we have no ability to remember anything, like trying to get us believe bin laden really is alive. I love it how on FOX they show his younger, healthy pictures when he still had color to his beard and face.

By the way, I wonder why the media has dropped Zarqawi? Did too many people catch on that he was fabricated?

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