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Title: Can We Please Get Rid of the Pledge?
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URL Source: http://www.counterpunch.org/2016/09 ... -please-get-rid-of-the-pledge/
Published: Sep 4, 2016
Author: Mike Whitney
Post Date: 2016-09-04 12:22:08 by Ada
Keywords: None
Views: 1053
Comments: 85

The Pledge of Allegiance is not an expression of patriotism. It is a loyalty oath that one normally associates with totalitarian regimes. People who love freedom, should be appalled by the idea our children are being coerced to stand and declare their support for the state. This is the worst form of indoctrination and it is completely anathema to the principals articulated in the US Constitution and the Bill of Rights. I cannot imagine outspoken libertarians like Thomas Jefferson or Tom Paine ever proclaiming their loyalty to the state when they correctly saw the state as the greatest threat to individual freedom. Which it is.

Now I know that many people think the Pledge is simply an affirmation of their respect for the flag, their love for the country, and their gratitude to the men and women who fought in America’s wars. But that’s not what it is. The Pledge is an attempt to impose conformity on the masses and compel them to click their heels and proclaim their devotion to the Fatherland. That’s not how it’s supposed to work in a democracy. In a democracy, the representatives of the state are supposed to pledge their loyalty to the people and to the laws that protect them. That’s the correct relationship between the state and the people. The Pledge turns that whole concept on its head.

Now I’d have no problem if our schoolchildren recited the Preamble to the Declaration of Independence before class every day:

“We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.”

That’s great stuff, unfortunately, the people who run this country would never allow it. They’d never allow our kids to recite an incendiary, revolutionary document like that every day for fear it would incite violence against the state. What they want is “good Germans”, not revolutionaries, not freedom-loving populists, and not well-informed, critical thinking individuals who can see through the sham of their jingoistic propaganda. They want people who are going to follow the rules, do what they’re told, fight the wars, and perform their worktime drudgery for 30 or 40 years until they’re carted off to the glue factory. That’s what they want. Reciting the Pledge fits perfectly with this dumbed-down version of permanent indentured servitude. It provides the ideological foundation for bovine acquiescence to the demands of the state and the crooks who run it behind the tri-color banner.

The fact that institutions like the Pledge are never challenged in a public format, points to deeper problems with the media and the way our kids are being educated. And while I don’t have time to talk about that now, it makes me wonder where are the people to question these silly recitations that undermine democracy and personal liberty? Why are their voices never heard?

I can’t answer that, but when I see the state deliberately eviscerating habeas corpus and locking away terror suspects for life with no evidence, no witnesses, no due process, no presumption of innocence, no way to defend themselves or claim their innocence in a court of law or before a jury of their peers–when I see the US state assuming the same unchecked, tyrannical powers as all of the dictatorships that went before them– I grow increasingly concerned that this lack of critical thinking is costing the country quite dearly. We are on the verge of losing what-little democracy we have left because people are incapable of looking around and asking ‘what the hell is going on?’

Pulling your head out of the sand and asking questions is not a sign of disloyalty. It’s a sign of intelligence, the kind of intelligence this country needs to stop the bloody wars and get back on track.

So next time you’re in a situation where you’re asked to stand up and recite the pledge, just pause for a minute and ask yourself what it really means. Is it really an expression of “love of country” or a is it a vacuous and demeaning exercise in nationalism that should be done away with ASAP?

I’d say, it’s the latter.

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#1. To: Ada (#0)

Brilliant post of the year, thank you.

“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken

Lod  posted on  2016-09-04   12:36:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Ada (#0)

it is completely anathema to the principals articulated in the US Constitution and the Bill of Rights.

The Founders were ALL revolutionaries. This is a fact.

Not to mention, at Constitution Hall in Philadelphia in 1787, they boarded up the windows to keep prying eyes and ears from finding out what was going on inside.

But, the Republic that Ben Franklin spoke of is long gone. It was replaced by the Act of 1871 which formed the corporate UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. ;)

"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke

BTP Holdings  posted on  2016-09-04   12:42:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Ada (#0)

Great article ... repeating my posted sentiments from long ago.

"Honest, April 15th is the real April Fool's Day".

"The almighty Dollar ain't worth a buck".

"White Lives Matter Most if you're white"

Doug Scheidt

noone222  posted on  2016-09-04   13:06:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: BTP Holdings, Lod, All (#2)

""Brilliant post of the year, thank you.""

"""they boarded up the windows to keep prying eyes and ears from finding out what was going on inside."""

Very distressing that you two learned gentlemen would so easily dismiss a part of our heritage, something that is also inherent in every country on this earth.

Cynicom  posted on  2016-09-04   13:16:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Cynicom, 4 (#4)

Our heritage is found in the declaration of independence and in the bill of rights.

The rest is just statist verbiage and claptrap.

“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken

Lod  posted on  2016-09-04   13:29:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Lod, BTP Holdings, noone222 (#5)

The Pledge is NOT nor nor never been some ritualistic pledge to some great and overbearing power.

In fact it is rather simplistic when its history and intent is known and understood...

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The Pledge of Allegiance was written in August 1892 by the socialist minister Francis Bellamy (1855-1931). It was originally published in The Youth's Companion on September 8, 1892. Bellamy had hoped that the pledge would be used by citizens in any country.

In its original form it read:

"I pledge allegiance to my Flag and the Republic for which it stands, one nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."

In 1923, the words, "the Flag of the United States of America" were added. At this time it read:

"I pledge allegiance to the Flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."""

I fail to see any evil intent in the original, was never a view of founding Fathers, had NOTHING to do with Constitution.

Destroying the fabric of a country is often too easily accepted, without thought nor knowledge.

Cynicom  posted on  2016-09-04   13:41:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Cynicom (#4)

Very distressing that you two learned gentlemen would so easily dismiss a part of our heritage, something that is also inherent in every country on this earth.

I'd propose that most of what we've been taught and expected to believe is pretty far removed from truth. Pledging allegiance is something British serfs were forced to do and as far as I'm concerned should have stayed in Britain.

What every other country on earth determines to do in this regard should have very little or no bearing at all upon we the people here in America.

"Honest, April 15th is the real April Fool's Day".

"The almighty Dollar ain't worth a buck".

"White Lives Matter Most if you're white"

Doug Scheidt

noone222  posted on  2016-09-04   13:42:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Lod, Cynicom (#5)

Our heritage is found in the declaration of independence and in the bill of rights.

The rest is just statist verbiage and claptrap.

I had a little chuckle when I read this.

You are right, Lod. And the rest is just claptrap. ;)

"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke

BTP Holdings  posted on  2016-09-04   13:43:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Cynicom (#6)

"I pledge allegiance to the Flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."""

Does the word "liege" have an evil connotation Cyni ?

LIEGE:

Word Origin

See more synonyms on Thesaurus.com noun 1. a feudal lord entitled to allegiance and service. 2. a feudal vassal or subject. adjective 3. owing primary allegiance and service to a feudal lord. 4. pertaining to the relation between a feudal vassal and lord. 5. loyal; faithful:

"Honest, April 15th is the real April Fool's Day".

"The almighty Dollar ain't worth a buck".

"White Lives Matter Most if you're white"

Doug Scheidt

noone222  posted on  2016-09-04   13:46:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: noone222 (#9)

Does the word "liege" have an evil connotation Cyni ?

In the given context, no.

Finding fault or evil intent by government in our pledge takes a far stretch of imagination.

Americans are far too eager to jump aboard any and all derogatory epistles written about this country. Buying into every negative regurgitation spewing from any pen, without knowledge and consideration of intent is not good.

Cynicom  posted on  2016-09-04   13:59:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Cynicom (#6)

"I pledge allegiance to the Flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."""

I fail to see any evil intent in the original

The evil intent (if that's what it can be called) was forcing school children to swear allegiance to an indivisible government. Remember that until the Late Unpleasantness Between the States, most Americans believed that succession was legal.

Ada  posted on  2016-09-04   14:08:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Ada, Lod, noone222, BTP holdings, All (#11)

most Americans believed that succession was legal.

Assuming you meant ...secession...in that vein, if one takes time to read the Constitution as adopted by the Southern States. it is an eye opener.

Worth reading by members here.

Cynicom  posted on  2016-09-04   14:25:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Cynicom (#12)

if one takes time to read the Constitution as adopted by the Southern States.

I've read it some time ago. Don't remember much of it, though, because of the meningitis. ;)

"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke

BTP Holdings  posted on  2016-09-04   14:39:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: Ada (#0) (Edited)

What they want is “good Germans”, not revolutionaries, not freedom-loving populists, and not well-informed, critical thinking individuals who can see through the sham of their jingoistic propaganda. They want people who are going to follow the rules, do what they’re told, fight the wars, and perform their worktime drudgery for 30 or 40 years until they’re carted off to the glue factory. That’s what they want. Reciting the Pledge fits perfectly with this dumbed-down version of permanent indentured servitude. It provides the ideological foundation for bovine acquiescence to the demands of the state and the crooks who run it behind the tri-color banner.

The flag is a symbol that represents human blood and sacrifice. And those in the war room even admit this because they know that war is a racket. The flag has no meaning to them anymore than the lack of loyalty to this country. America is nothing but a dollar sign that is open for business and for sale. The question that should be in one's mind when reciting such a pledge is, who is that god they pledge to as mentioned in it?

purplerose  posted on  2016-09-04   14:44:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: noone222, All (#9)

Does the word "liege" have an evil connotation Cyni ?

You and I did this.

Recall "swearing in" on entry to the military???

This was my baptism to "allegiance" oath or whatever.

There were 714 of us, 700 army, 14 Air force. Most of the grunts were recalls from WWII. Rest of us were virgins.

Pimply faced little second john down front at railroad station, reading the oath as he did not know it. There were many men crying, many calling the pimply face horrible names. I just stood there, thinking this is not real.

So much for an oath, pledge or whatever. I was astonished at grown men, much older, crying openly. The bad language, I joined in.

Cynicom  posted on  2016-09-04   14:48:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: Cynicom (#10)

In the given context, no.

Word Origin and History for allegiance n.

late 14c., from Anglo-French legaunce "loyalty of a liege-man to his lord," from Old French legeance, from liege (see liege); erroneously associated with Latin ligare "to bind;" corrupted in spelling by confusion with the now-obsolete legal term allegeance "alleviation." General figurative sense of "recognition of claims to respect or duty" is attested from 1732.

"Honest, April 15th is the real April Fool's Day".

"The almighty Dollar ain't worth a buck".

"White Lives Matter Most if you're white"

Doug Scheidt

noone222  posted on  2016-09-04   15:03:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: noone222 (#16)

Word Origin and History for allegiance n.

I checked...fealty...and others. There is really no good word to replace allegiance.

Even ...faithful... places one in subservience.

I go with the intent, especially as the original was NOT a government mandate.

Been in and around a few countries, like in marriage, for better or worse, I will stick with what we have.

Anyone that feels the pledge is a burden or crime against humanity, is free to leave anytime. So far, I will dance with the girl what brung me.

Cynicom  posted on  2016-09-04   15:16:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Cynicom (#17)

So far, I will dance with the girl what brung me.

I understand the hesitance completely. That being said, the one that brung us left with another fellow.

"Honest, April 15th is the real April Fool's Day".

"The almighty Dollar ain't worth a buck".

"White Lives Matter Most if you're white"

Doug Scheidt

noone222  posted on  2016-09-04   16:26:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: purplerose (#14)

The flag is a symbol that represents human blood and sacrifice. And those in the war room even admit this because they know that war is a racket. The flag has no meaning to them anymore than the lack of loyalty to this country. America is nothing but a dollar sign that is open for business and for sale. The question that should be in one's mind when reciting such a pledge is, who is that god they pledge to as mentioned in it?

Pledges to anything are easily twisted out of context by political operators for a veriety of reasons, most of the time it's supporting existing tyrants.

Loyalty oaths bring out the worst in me, the fuckers living on my dime (aka government) don't trust me enough to not shit in my own bed?

...when a government becomes abusive of those powers...

" As a citizen, I would hesitate to see any political party outlawed on the basis of its political ideology. However, if it is proven that an organization is an agent of foreign power, or in any way not a legitimate political party -- and I think the government is capable of proving that -- then that is another matter." - Ronald Reagan to House Un-American Activities Committee, October 23, 1947

Dakmar  posted on  2016-09-04   16:31:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: noone222 (#18)

That being said, the one that brung us left with another fellow.

Very near...

One more dance and the party is over.

Too much blood shed by family and friends that I still recall, to walk away. Am willing to take a chance with Trump lifeboat, after that, this government is on its own. Fall or destroyed, I wont be here.

Cynicom  posted on  2016-09-04   16:53:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: Cynicom (#20)

Fall or destroyed, I wont be here.

That's a very sobering thought and many of us here today won't be here after the next administration delivers its treason.

"Honest, April 15th is the real April Fool's Day".

"The almighty Dollar ain't worth a buck".

"White Lives Matter Most if you're white"

Doug Scheidt

noone222  posted on  2016-09-04   16:59:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: noone222 (#21)

many of us here today won't be here after the next administration

Sadly, most are not cognizant of that.

Cynicom  posted on  2016-09-04   17:23:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: Cynicom (#12)

Assuming you meant ...secession..

Uh, yes. . .The right of the states to withdraw was assumed. From 1800 to 1815, there were three serious attempts at secession orchestrated by New England Federalists. This "one nation, indivisible" pledge was indoctrination aimed at US schoolchildren.

Ada  posted on  2016-09-04   18:02:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: Ada (#23)

This "one nation, indivisible" pledge was indoctrination aimed at US schoolchildren.

The Strange History of the pledge -

talkingpointsmemo.com/cafe/strange-history-pledge-of-allegiance

“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken

Lod  posted on  2016-09-04   19:00:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: Ada (#23)

This "one nation, indivisible" pledge was indoctrination aimed at US schoolchildren.

Take a read of Confederate Constitution, they were smarter than us.

Cynicom  posted on  2016-09-04   19:30:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: Ada, Lod, BTP Holdings, noone222, all (#23)

The Columbus part I did not know.

"""The original version of the Pledge of Allegiance did not include the words “under God.” The patriotic oath – attributed to a Baptist minister named Francis Bellamy and published in a children’s magazine in September 1892 to commemorate the 400th anniversary of Christopher Columbus’ voyage to America – read: “I pledge allegiance to my flag and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.”""

It was NEVER anything forced on the people by the government.

Hang the government, yes, however do not buy everything anti-American that is brought out by the media.

Cynicom  posted on  2016-09-04   19:52:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: Cynicom (#26)

It was NEVER anything forced on the people by the government.

When the pledge was required in government schoolrooms and there was a penalty for refusal (even if it were just a trip to the principal's office), that's force.

Ada  posted on  2016-09-04   20:31:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: Cynicom (#15)

What would have happened if you had refused the oath?

Ada  posted on  2016-09-04   20:43:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: Ada (#27)

I recall having my hair pulled, ears tweaked, knuckles rapped, with fear being instilled everyday.

THE GOVERNMENT DID IT.

The pledge was stolen by government, nothing of their origination. Like minded people have gotten all forms of physical punishment outlawed, now acknowledging a GOD is illegal, allegiance to ones country is illegal, society has filled its jails and cannot understand why people break the law?????

Cynicom  posted on  2016-09-04   20:49:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: Ada (#28)

What would have happened if you had refused the oath?

No one said I do.

Totally meaningless oath just as the pledge.

Worrying about the pledge is infantile at the least.

One day when they come for Ada, tell them you dont want to go.Wont happen???? Dont bet on it.

In 1952 the FBI and police came for me.

Where were all the government haters, ready to defend me from an evil government?????

Real world out there ADA.

Cynicom  posted on  2016-09-04   20:57:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: Ada (#23)

And you know what's outrageous about that pledge, Ada? When the government took prayer out of the public schools including bible teachings, they begin forcing students to stand up and face the flag and recite the pledge with the notion of one nation under god. What god were these students pledging to? I remember having to stand and face the flag and recite the pledge. It wasn't until years later that I realized that I had also been duped into this lie.

purplerose  posted on  2016-09-04   22:47:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: Dakmar (#19) (Edited)

Loyalty oaths are for suckers. Just ask Bill and Hillary Clinton.

purplerose  posted on  2016-09-04   22:50:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: noone222 (#21)

Fall or destroyed, I wont be here.

That's a very sobering thought and many of us here today won't be here after the next administration delivers its treason.

Where are you or we going to be -- dead? In the gulag?

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USA! USA! USA! Bringing you democracy, or else! there were strains of VD that were incurable, and they were first found in the Philippines and then transmitted to the Korean working girls via US military. The 'incurables' we were told were first taken back to a military hospital in the Philippines to quietly die. – 4um

NeoconsNailed  posted on  2016-09-05   5:17:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: Cynicom (#15)

Recall "swearing in" on entry to the military???

This was my baptism to "allegiance" oath or whatever.

There were 714 of us, 700 army, 14 Air force. Most of the grunts were recalls from WWII. Rest of us were virgins.

Pimply faced little second john down front at railroad station, reading the oath as he did not know it. There were many men crying, many calling the pimply face horrible names. I just stood there, thinking this is not real.

So much for an oath, pledge or whatever. I was astonished at grown men, much older, crying openly. The bad language, I joined in.

What on earth does all that mean, Cyni?

_____________________________________________________________

USA! USA! USA! Bringing you democracy, or else! there were strains of VD that were incurable, and they were first found in the Philippines and then transmitted to the Korean working girls via US military. The 'incurables' we were told were first taken back to a military hospital in the Philippines to quietly die. – 4um

NeoconsNailed  posted on  2016-09-05   5:18:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: Cynicom (#30)

In 1952 the FBI and police came for me.

Splain this too, please.

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USA! USA! USA! Bringing you democracy, or else! there were strains of VD that were incurable, and they were first found in the Philippines and then transmitted to the Korean working girls via US military. The 'incurables' we were told were first taken back to a military hospital in the Philippines to quietly die. – 4um

NeoconsNailed  posted on  2016-09-05   5:19:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: Ada (#0)

WhT you guys dont like the pledge, germany had a pledge once back in the 30s and see how well that worked out for them as a socialist republic?

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Suspect all media / resist bad propaganda/Learn NLP everyday everyway ;) If you don't control your mind someone else will.

titorite  posted on  2016-09-05   5:54:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: NeoconsNailed (#34)

What on earth does all that mean, Cyni?

Many are concerned about pledge of allegiance recited in schools.

I was trying to show how really meaningless is any pledge, oath or whatever, forced upon any person, by whatever power.

For the "pledge" I was somewhere in junior high, before taking note or interest in what I was reciting. The daily act was meaningless, something the teacher wanted done, so lets get it over with.

Being sworn into the military by the act of an "oath", again is totally meaningless. Formality, so lets get it over with.

As an adult, if one receives any good from either, so be it, seeing either as some monstrous government plot is ludicrous.

The pledge was perhaps one of mans best efforts for the good of all mankind, a recall of 400th anniversary of Columbus and the new world.

No government had anything to do with it, at any time.

Do I feel harmed in any way by reciting the pledge and an oath?

Not really. We need to keep things in perspective.

Cynicom  posted on  2016-09-05   8:51:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: Cynicom (#37)

Its child indoctrination, brainwashing to hard wire folks in to state loving automatons. It's immoral and should be done away with.

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Suspect all media / resist bad propaganda/Learn NLP everyday everyway ;) If you don't control your mind someone else will.

titorite  posted on  2016-09-05   9:05:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: NeoconsNailed (#35) (Edited)

Splain this too, please.

In 1952, when Korean war was going badly, the FBI and local police showed up at my home, demanding my person be handed over forthwith, by free will, or force if necessary, being that I was a draft dodger.

My Father dryly told them I was in or around Korea but would surely like to come home to face such charges, if they would arrange it.

They were, disappointed in that there would be no "body" to throw in prison that day. So much for my "pledges and oaths" etc.

Side note, they being FBI were "draft exempt"...

Cynicom  posted on  2016-09-05   9:15:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: titorite (#38)

Its child indoctrination, brainwashing to hard wire folks in to state loving automatons. It's immoral and should be done away with.

I do not check under my bed or look in the closet every night.

Cynicom  posted on  2016-09-05   9:19:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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