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Title: Why shredding $100 bills could be great for the economy
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URL Source: http://finance.yahoo.com/news/why-s ... for-the-economy-123408398.html
Published: Sep 17, 2016
Author: Justine Underhill
Post Date: 2016-09-17 16:16:20 by BTP Holdings
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Views: 1801
Comments: 39

Why shredding $100 bills could be great for the economy

Justine Underhill

September 17, 2016

While more than half of all transactions in the US are electronic—think debit cards, Apple Pay and Venmo—there’s still a record $1.4 trillion in physical currency, from pennies to $100 bills, circulating in the global economy.

That’s almost double the amount from a decade ago, and about 80% of that cash is in $100 bills.

These large bills could be making us poorer and less safe, says Kenneth Rogoff, Harvard economist and author of the new book “The Curse of Cash.” For Rogoff, the benefits of phasing out both $50 and $100 bills are two-fold: It would hamper criminal activity and aid monetary policy.

“I argue [large bills] are more facilitating activity in the underground economy—crime, tax evasion, you name it—than they are in legal activity,” Rogoff told Yahoo Finance.

But cash can also be used as a form of civil disobedience for what is perceived to be an unjust law or an onerous regulation. Where exactly do we draw the line between a government’s right to enforce laws and the public’s right to privacy?

He admits that phasing out cash is a highly politicized and emotional topic, adding that the economy will still need cash—at least the smaller bills— for reasons of natural disasters, privacy, and unbanked neighborhoods.

“It’s 22 pounds for $1 million in hundreds, but it’s 220 pounds to carry around $1 million in tens,” said Rogoff. “So I’m looking for… how can people still do $500, $1,000, sort of retail transactions, but not be able to run these criminal enterprises.”

A less-cash society and central banking

In addition to hampering the underground economy, phasing out larger bills could give central banks additional tools to fight recessions and deflation, says Rogoff.

After the 2008 financial crisis, the Federal Reserve dropped its benchmark interest rate to near zero, with the expectation that low rates would stimulate the economy. The Bank of Japan and the European Central Bank took their policies a step farther, lowering rates into negative territory. In Germany, for example, an investor pays for the right to loan the government money for 10 years.

But central banks’ ability to venture into negative territory is limited, as people have the ability to convert their investments into cash and get 0% interest. If a central bank decides to lower rates to -5%, at some point investors are just going to take cash, rather than get a negative return in a checking account. This scenario would be counterproductive to a central bank’s efforts to fight a recession and deflationary pressures.

“When we wake up and see that there are only $10 bills, it’s way easier to have serious negative interest rates,” said Rogoff. “The idea is not that you’d have negative 6% rates for 10 years, but it would last a relatively brief period because you’re powering the economy out of the recession.”

In principle, Rogoff notes, there is no reason that currency holders should prefer a world with 2% inflation and a 0% interest rate on currency to a world with 0% inflation and and a -2% interest rate on currency. In both cases, the real rate of return on currency is -2%.

But should we give the government the right to tax our currency?

“Well, let’s face it. They can do whatever they want now,” Rogoff said. “There’s inflation. That works really well. It’s been used time and again. You are trusting the central bank apparatus to be trying to stabilize output, trying to stabilize inflation. Yeah, they can set a negative tax rate—a negative rate on currency. But if the market’s not calling for that, the currency is just going to empty out.”


Poster Comment:

How would eliminating $100s hamper criminal activity? When they got rid of $1,000 dollar bills, it changed nothing. Now if this happens, it will eliminate much of the cash in circulation.

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#1. To: BTP Holdings (#0)

What horse-hockey.

Lod  posted on  2016-09-17   16:35:13 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Lod (#1)

Why shredding $100 bills could be great for the economy

Justine Underhill

Too many people have sub standard work ethic, which calls for reeducation into something productive.

Put another way, author spends too much time in the closet with the light off.

Cynicom  posted on  2016-09-17   17:53:27 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Cynicom (#2)

Cash is cash, and I love all denominations of it. It all spends the same.

Lod  posted on  2016-09-17   18:35:28 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Lod (#3)

Without looking.

People of what country, hoard American 100 dollar bills.

Cynicom  posted on  2016-09-17   18:37:40 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Cynicom (#4) (Edited)

People of what country, hoard American 100 dollar bills

Not so sure. But the cops raided a house in Florida and discovered a false wall. Behind the wall were Home Depot buckets. Those buckets were crammed with $100s. Maybe $150,000 per bucket. There were dozens of buckets. Whoever the owners were will have lots splainin' to do.

And you can bet with the way asset forfeiture laws are now that the cops will have a field day buying new toys to harass the public. ;)

BTP Holdings  posted on  2016-09-17   19:32:12 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: BTP HoldingsLod (#7)

Russian masses hold millions of US 100 dollar bills.

By no means in banks etc. Out of sight.

Cynicom  posted on  2016-09-17   19:37:23 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Cynicom (#8)

Russian masses hold millions of US 100 dollar bills.

cite your source.

IRTorqued  posted on  2016-09-17   21:21:01 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: IRTorqued (#10)

I do not do homework for those ill versed in history and manners.

Cynicom  posted on  2016-09-17   21:27:01 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Cynicom (#11)

okay, I will take that as you are talking more of your bullsh!t.

IRTorqued  posted on  2016-09-17   21:40:07 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: IRTorqued (#13)

okay, I will take that as you are talking more of your bullsh!t.

Educate yourself, plus a course in manners would certainly be beneficial, the need being demonstrated here.

Cynicom  posted on  2016-09-17   22:04:43 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: Cynicom (#19)

Educate yourself, plus a course in manners would certainly be beneficial, the need being demonstrated here.

fuck you, cite your credible source and not your opinion.

titorite  posted on  2016-09-17   23:19:49 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: titorite, Cynicom, All (#23)

fuck you...

Oh, c'mon, give my dad a break. He's a crotchety bastard, but he's been on the frontlines of all the bullshit since the so-called "great depression".

Cyni is prolly the most polite poster on this site, but he brings up things that are uncomfortable.

Hey man, roll with it, this isn't NASCAR.

Ahhhh, maybe it is. What the hell do I know, I'm a newbie, rookie.

Esso  posted on  2016-09-17   23:38:24 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: Esso (#26)

im just agreeing.with another poster. albeit.beligeritily. the russians have millions of 100$ dollar bills stashed away in walls and what not... ok.... citation needed. tjats all im saying.

titorite  posted on  2016-09-18   0:14:50 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: titorite, All (#27)

When someone posts something here that I have no knowledge of, I go looking on my own. Here is one from long ago, the most recent the Washington Post if one cares to look.

Russians in a Panic Over New Currency: The U.S. $100 Bill By MICHAEL SPECTER Published: November 4, 1995

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MOSCOW, Nov. 3— It is unlikely that most Americans will pay much attention when the United States Treasury introduces a redesigned $100 bill in January. The old bill will still be accepted everywhere of course, and it's not exactly as if hundred-dollar notes are the coin of the realm.

""""""But things couldn't be more different here, because Russians are completely obsessed with C-notes. They covet, hoard and trade them more than in any country other than America itself."""""

Despite the fact that it is illegal to use dollars for retail trade, people who can scrape them together routinely use hundred-dollar bills to buy cars, trucks or houses. Whenever they can get away with it, wage earners demand their salaries in hundreds, too.

No currency in any part of the former Soviet Union -- not the German mark, the British pound or the yen, and certainly not the ruble -- carries anything like the buying power and prestige of the hundred-dollar bill. According to the best guesses of the Russian Central Bank, there is at least $15 billion in United States currency circulating through Russia -- more than in any other foreign country -- and much of it is in hundred-dollar bills.

So it didn't take long for people to realize that the new hundred would make quite a splash here. But nobody was prepared for what has already happened and what might come to pass when the bills actually show up on the streets: Word of the new bill has filled people with such dread that many are already trying to dump their current hundreds and exchange them for marks.

Exchange counters, which routinely reject hundreds that are dirty, old or marred in even the smallest way, are already beginning to charge an extra commission on all old bills.

"We have a real problem," said Vitaly E. Sidorov, executive director of the Association of Russian Banks, which represents most of the country's biggest financial institutions.

"I think it's going to get bigger and bigger. People may simply refuse to accept old bills when there are new bills. Currency exchanges will tell people to go away and if we can't convince people that their money is still good the black market will return and prosper."

The United States Government, which is introducing the bills because they will be harder for counterfeiters to copy, has made several attempts to reassure Russians that their cash will always be welcome whether it is clean or dirty, new or old.

Explanations of the fact that all American currency is created equal have been delivered repeatedly and unequivocally. But in countries like Russia currency can be a deeply emotional issue and promises about cash mean nothing to people who have watched in horror as the ruble become almost worthless in a few short years.

"All American Federal Reserve Banks will accept all old-design U.S. banknotes at 100 percent of face value forever," Theodore E. Allison, a senior Treasury official, told Russian bankers on a recent visit here to discuss the new bills.

Moreover, he said, the United States Government will make certain that everyone who wants new hundreds can get them so there will be no need to panic.

Soothing words, perhaps, but currency reform in Russia usually means exchanging old money for new money. And when that happens, most recently in 1991, the result is always the same: desperate citizens stampede banks hoping to get new money before it runs out. Panic and currency reform run as one in Russia.

That is why there has been such a public relations offensive about the new bill. Front-page articles in major newspapers have repeatedly made the point that the old bills are as good as the new bills, and so have television news shows. Bankers clearly understand it, but a public that has grown deeply suspicious of any government that changes its money and says everything will be all right could hardly be more upset.

Most people standing in line at a shabby currency exchange office in central Moscow this week looked upon the introduction of a new hundred as a personal insult. Russians have so little faith in their own money, which has been ravaged by inflation and devalued continually since the fall of the Soviet Union, that even the notion of change scares them.

"We have no order here at all," said Nadezhda V. Pashanova, 38, who was waiting patiently in line to change a hundred-dollar bill. "In Russia it is always hard to predict what will happen, but we always expect the worst. I have already started having problems changing the old notes so I have had to get 5 percent less than usual for them."

Like most people interviewed, she said she would exchange her hundreds for new ones the moment she had the chance.

Most exchange offices in Russia refuse to accept any bills issued before 1988, despite a directive sent in 1993 from Russia's Central Bank to all commercial banks informing them they are obliged to take all American currency they receive, even bills that are 75 years old. Every person who uses hundred-dollar bills in Russia -- and that's every person who can -- has been turned away at least once by a skeptical hotel clerk, a rigid banker or even an obstinate baby sitter.

"I went to three banks and an exchange office," a teary-eyed Svetlana Zolorariova said last week after selling an expensive lacquer box and receiving her payment the usual way -- in hundreds. She then produced the offending note: a 1993 hundred-dollar bill so crisp it seemed as if it might crack.

"Look there," Miss Zolorariova said, pointing to two tiny ink marks on the back of the bill. "Nobody is going to take that."

There is at least some reason to take that second look at hundred-dollar bills here: estimates of counterfeiting in Russia range from significant to incredible. American officials say the amount of counterfeit currency in circulation is minimal, but as one senior Treasury official who asked not to be identified said, "To the degree counterfeiting is a problem it is a problem in Russia."

And with two-thirds of all hundred-dollar bills in circulation outside the United States, most counterfeiters don't waste their time on twenties or tens. The new hundred will help reduce the threat, and in an age when color laser copiers and digital technology can make the fake look strikingly real, nobody is arguing that the threat is getting smaller.

"You can say anything you want about what we should take and what we shouldn't," said a clerk at a currency exchange near Red Square. "But why is America of all countries issuing new currency if the old currency isn't a problem? So if your job is to earn a living exchanging money, you are telling me you would treat the safe new bills exactly like the bills they already know how to copy? What kind of sense does that make?"

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Cynicom  posted on  2016-09-18   3:18:00 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#37. To: Cynicom (#33)

Russians need to make an awful lot of Roubles to convert them to $100 U.S.D.

1 United States Dollar equals

65.568 Russian Rouble

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