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Title: Russia: America Has Started World War 3 In Syria
Source: [None]
URL Source: http://engforum.pravda.ru/index.php ... -started-world-war-3-in-syria/
Published: Sep 20, 2016
Author: Started by Mario Milano/Submitted by IWB
Post Date: 2016-09-20 23:48:38 by Tatarewicz
Keywords: None
Views: 826
Comments: 45

PMF... The Ministry of Defence of the Russian Federation has accused the U.S. of igniting World War 3 by deliberately killing Syrian troops and aiding ISIS terrorists.

Top Russian military officials have warned that the U.S. deliberately killed 62 servicemen in order to provoke a war against Russia.

Inquisitr.com reports:

Sputnik News reported September 18 that top Russian military officials are questioning the veracity of their American counterparts who claim that the airstrike on the Syrian military base was a mistake. But one Russian official, First Deputy Chairman of the Defense and Security Committee and Federation Council member Franz Klintsevich, told Russian news agency RIA Novosti that he believes the coordinated attack by two F-16 fighter jets and two A10 ground attack aircraft — which originated out of Iraq — was deliberate.

“The US conducted airstrikes on government forces in Syria deliberately and thoughtfully. Any aerial operation is coordinated with commanders on the ground. In this case [the US] used information received from their intelligence units who infiltrated Daesh [derogatory term for ISIS, the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria].”

Others have been more restrained in their allegations toward the United States. Russian Defense Ministry spokesman, Maj. Gen. Igor Konashenkov noted that if the U.S. airstrike was accidental, the incident was “a direct consequence of the US’ unwillingness to coordinate its actions against terrorist groups with Russia.”

Klintsevich pointed out that the airstrike was in line with policymaking in Washington, which takes the position that Syria’s president, Bashar al-Assad, should be deposed and replaced by the U.S.-backed rebels. He said that the U.S. was acting to “maintain their economic interests” in the area.

Accusations and allegations aside, all agreed that the cease-fire being negotiated between U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry and Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov in Geneva was in jeopardy.

Russia’s United Nations envoy, Vitaly Churkin, stated that he found the timing of the U.S. airstrike “suspicious,” given the ongoing cease-fire negotiations. He said that “some aspects of the situation suggest that it could have well been a provocation.” But, he was quick to add, the attack did not necessarily mean that the ceasefire deal was over.

It is unclear whether or not the U.S. airstrike against the Syrian Army base at Deir ez-Zor had anything to do with the several bombings in late July of a U.S. base in Syria. According to the Wall Street Journal (via Fox News), U.S. defense and intelligence officials reported that Russian aircraft had bombed a base maintained by U.S. and British forces, and had done so again 90 minutes after being warned that it was not to be targeted. The officials said they believed that Russia was attempting to pressure the U.S. into coordinating its air war with the Russian military.

Heightened tensions have only increased fears of an escalation of events in the region to the point of World War 3. Of course, this has been an ongoing concern since Russia entered the multinational fray (September 30, 2015, according to BBC News), ostensibly to join in the fight against ISIS but seen by the world as to act as an ally and prop for the then tottering regime of Bashar al-Assad. Regardless, Russia’s entrance also increased the chances of accidental incidents that could quickly spiral into military confrontations — incidents like Russia bombing a known American base and the U.S. bombing a known Syrian Army base. (Russian officials have also voiced concern over the possibility, after Saturday’s attack, that the U.S. could mistakenly bomb a Russian airbase.)

Similar scenarios of a potential World War 3 trigger have been presented before. In a September 2015 article, the Telegraph offered that the advent of World War 3 could very well be a confrontation or accident in Syria’s crowded skies.

“Indeed, the skies over Syria are starting to get dangerously crowded, with Russian jets flying near US planes on bombing runs, and sparring with NATO air defenses in neighboring Turkey.”

For the record, Turkey is also now involved in the war inside Syria. As reported by Al Jazeera, tensions with Russia escalated in November when a Turkish fighter shot down a Russian bomber that was claimed to have entered Turkish airspace and repeatedly warned to depart the area.

The U.S. airstrike against the Syrian Army base is just the latest incident of potential diplomatic and political calamity in an already volatile region of the world. According to the New York Times, American military officials admitted that U.S. pilots had targeted a Syrian Army base, but the pilots had thought they were attacking ISIS facilities in the area. A senior Obama administration official, speaking on the condition of anonymity, told the Times that the United States had stated its regrets to Syria’s government through the Russians for the “unintentional loss of life of Syrian forces” in the ongoing war against ISIS.

Will historians one day look back on the events of the last few months as the precursors to World War 3? Or will they go back further to when Russia entered the conflict? Of course, historians could go even further back to the creation of the caliphate of the Islamic State or even the creation of ISIS. Regardless, for now,

World War 3 history is only the province of speculation, but the fears of a major multinational conflict, given the historical ease with which other world wars have begun, are founded in realistic potentialities.

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Edited by Mario Milano

wirehaired

I say they started it years ago with the attack on Yugoslavia the syria attack is just the latest outrage,its about time Russia started treating the US Reich like the enemy it is.

Zharkov

Tonight's t.v. network news in the US now claims that the Pentagon said only Syrian and Russian planes were flying at the time of the bombing and the Syrians deny bombing anyone. So it was Russia's fault according to them.

Russia denies bombing so we have a lot of finger pointing and not a lot of evidence.

Only the US or Israel would have a motive to bomb Syrian forces.


© AFP 2016/ Omar haj kadour

The Russian military unveiled on Tuesday video footage of a UN humanitarian aid convoy that came under attack in Syria, which shows a militants' pickup vehicle carrying a large-caliber mortar as part of the convoy.

The video shows that the UN aid convoy was accompanied by a terrorists' off-road vehicle with a large-caliber mortar launcher, the Russian Defense Ministry spokesman said.

"The examination of the video footage made via drones of the movement of the humanitarian convoy in areas controlled by militants in the province of Aleppo has revealed new details. The video clearly shows how terrorists are redeploying a pickup with a large-caliber mortar on it using the convoy as a cover," Maj. Gen. Igor Konashenkov said.

He said that "it is unclear yet who accompanies whom: the [pickup with a] mortar accompanies the convoy with "White Helmets" volunteers or vise versa. And most importantly, where did the mortar disappear near the destination point of the convoy and what was the target of its fire during the convoy's stop and unloading?"

On Monday, the United Nations’ Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs (OCHA) said that the aid convoy crossed the conflict line in the Big Orem area of the Syrian city of Aleppo.

Later in the day, UN officials stated that the convoy had been shelled and there were casualties.

Earlier in the day, the Russian Defense Ministry said that neither Russian, not Syria aircraft carried out strikes against the UN aid convoy, emphasizing that the examination of video footage reveals no signs of an ammunition strikes on the convoy and it seems to be set on fire.

The ministry emphasized that the perpetrator of the fire, as well as his goal may be known by members of the "White Helmets" organization that allegedly has connection to al-Nusra Front terrorists who have "accidentally" been at the right time and in the right place with cameras.

According to the official, al-Nusra Front terrorist group carried out an artillery attack on the southwestern suburb of Aleppo using multiple launch rocket systems.

Read more: sputniknews....-un-convoy.html

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#1. To: Tatarewicz (#0) (Edited)

If I had a dime for every baseless headline posted on the internet bellowing that "WWIII just started!!!"........I'd have a lot of dimes.

X-15  posted on  2016-09-21   12:39:33 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: X-15 (#1)

If I had a dime for every baseless headline posted on the internet bellowing that "WWIII just started!!!"........I'd have a lot of dimes.

Thing is, our "leaders" are doing everything they can get away with in terms of starting that war.

If Putin were not the sane level headed statesman that he is, we'd all be dust by now.

FormerLurker  posted on  2016-09-21   13:28:51 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: FormerLurker (#3)

Thing is, our "leaders" are doing everything they can get away with in terms of starting that war.

If they are, then they are failing spectacularly. Witness what is going on in Syria: it doesn't even rise to the level of "regional conflict", it's just a messy internecine squabble instigated and aided by interlopers like America and Russia.

X-15  posted on  2016-09-21   14:03:02 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: X-15 (#5)

Witness what is going on in Syria: it doesn't even rise to the level of "regional conflict", it's just a messy internecine squabble instigated and aided by interlopers like America and Russia.

A war that's been fueled by US/Saudi/Israeli trained terrorists who are massacring men, women, and children, with air support from the US, all the while there is supposed to be a cease fire negotiated by the US and Russia.

Add to that the baseless hysterical screeching by US media outlets how Russia attacked a UN aid convoy, days after a US attack against the Syrian army while they were preparing to launch an offensive against ISIL/ISIS, well it's a very short fuse, put it that way.

That's not including the US backed violent overthrow of the Ukraine government, and the perpetual claims of a Russian invasion of Ukraine, and the US sanctions against Russia for being in the way of the US capturing the Russian naval base in Sevastopol.

FormerLurker  posted on  2016-09-21   16:34:46 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: FormerLurker, Cynicom (#6)

Kinda like the Spanish Civil War in the run-up to WWII: Syria is an excellent testing ground for weapons/tactics by anybody who wants to get involved. I'm waiting to see the Chinkernese stick their chopsticks into this mess to test out their hardware, that's the other shoe dropping.

X-15  posted on  2016-09-21   16:56:11 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: X-15 (#7)

Kinda like the Spanish Civil War in the run-up to WWII: Syria is an excellent testing ground for weapons/tactics by anybody who wants to get involved. I'm waiting to see the Chinkernese stick their chopsticks into this mess to test out their hardware, that's the other shoe dropping.

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Putin won't attack without Peking.

Take it to the bank.

HAPPY2BME-4UM  posted on  2016-09-21   17:25:32 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: HAPPY2BME-4UM, X-15 (#8)

Putin won't attack without Peking.

My opinion on that subject....

"""Putin won't attack "BECAUSE" of Peking."""

Cynicom  posted on  2016-09-22   7:34:33 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: Cynicom (#27)

"""Putin won't attack "BECAUSE" of Peking."""

PEKING would HELP Russia is more like it.

Are you ignorant of the fact they are pissed off at the US over its meddling in the South China Sea?

FormerLurker  posted on  2016-09-22   12:23:07 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: FormerLurker (#31)

"""Putin won't attack "BECAUSE" of Peking."""

PEKING would HELP Russia is more like it.

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Yes, because China is geographically connected to Russia, hence attacking Russia would cause much more damage than attacking the US.

Instability (especially global economic bankruptcy, as I already pointed out) brewing in the general populations caused by unemployment and lack of basic life requirements (food, shelter, personal security) is the great unknown here, and perhaps the real catalyst behind the next world war.

No leader facing their government's total collapse will hesitate going to war if it means doing so to preserve their country's survival.

We are fast approaching that now, regardless of who or what form of government is in power at the time it happens.

IOW, hungry and desperate people launch nuclear weapons on other hungry and desperate people.

HAPPY2BME-4UM  posted on  2016-09-22   12:30:21 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: HAPPY2BME-4UM, FormerLurker, Cynicom, Dakmar, Rotara, X-15, Tatarewicz (#32)

More perspective on the Kalibr missile attack north of Aleppo from Global Research:

U.S. Coalition Intelligence “Operations Room” Inside Syria, Destroyed by Russian Missile Attack: Thirty Israeli, American, British, Turkish, Saudi, Qatari Intelligence Officials Killed, Report

By Prof Michel Chossudovsky Global Research, September 22, 2016 Region: Middle East & North Africa Theme: 9/11 & 'War on Terrorism', US NATO War Agenda In-depth Report: SYRIA: NATO'S NEXT WAR? print 216 11 2 233 U.S.-Russia-Syria 2 The US and its allies had established a Field Operations Room in the Aleppo region integrated by intelligence personnel. Until it was targeted by a Russian missile attack on September 20, this “semi-secret” facility was operated by US, British, Israeli, Turkish, Saudi and Qatari intelligence personnel.

According to Fars News, this intelligence facility was attacked by Russia in the immediate wake of the US Air Strikes against Syrian SAA forces at Deir Ezzor in support of the ISIS-Daesh terrorists. “The Russian warships stationed in Syria’s coastal waters targeted and destroyed a foreign military operations room, killing over two dozen Israeli and western intelligence officers”

“The Russian warships fired three Caliber missiles at the foreign officers’ coordination operations room in Dar Ezza region in the Western part of Aleppo near Sam’an mountain, killing 30 Israeli and western officers,”

The operations room was located in the Western part of Aleppo province in the middle of sky-high Sam’an mountain and old caves. The region is deep into a chain of mountains.

The Fars report conveys the impression that the Operations Room was largely integrated by Israelis. In all likelihood, the US was “calling the shots” and the facility was coordinated by Washington’s regional allies, in close liaison with (and on behalf) of the US military and intelligence apparatus.

With the exception of the Fars report and Sputnik Arabic, this Russian attack directed against a US-led coalition intelligence facility has not made the headlines. In fact there has been a total news blackout. The accuracy of the Fars report is yet to be fully ascertained.

What is significant is that the Operations Room situated in rebel held territory in the Aleppo region is manned by the main state sponsors of ISIS Daesh and Al Qaeda inside Syria, namely the US, UK (largely involved in the air raids), plus four countries of the region: Turkey, Saudi Arabia, Israel and Qatar. The respective roles of the four regional countries relating to recruitment, training, logistics and the financing of terrorism have been amply documented.

This Operations Room (i.e Combat Information Center) in the Aleppo region as well field operations rooms in other regions (in territories controlled by rebel forces) are in permanent liaison with the US, Israeli and allied military command and control.

We will recall that in October 2015, Obama announced that he was dispatching US Special Forces to operate on the ground inside Syria in the alleged counterterrorism operation against ISIS-Daesh. These US Special Forces would “involve fewer than 50 Special Operations advisers, who will work with resistance forces battling the Islamic State in northern Syria but will not engage in direct combat” (WP, October 30, 2015).

They will not engage in combat, they will be involved in”advisory” activities, –i.e. both within rebel formations as well as in the field operations rooms.

In recent months (May 2016), Washington confirmed that another 250 US special forces were to be deployed on the ground in Syria. A select number of intelligence officials were no doubt assigned to the field operations rooms.

This dispatch of US special forces coincided with the influx of thousand of newly recruited “jihadist mercenaries” who joined the ranks of the various terror formations. “Thousands of terrorists” were reported to have crossed the Turkey-Syria border in early May 2016, to be deployed against government forces in the Aleppo region.

Voice of America (undated) www.voanews.com/a/us-to-send-special- forces-to-syria-to-fight-islamic-state/3029684.html

The Operations Room in the Aleppo region was used to coordinate actions on the ground, drone surveillance as well as air-strikes. According to the Fars report, the intelligence personnel assigned to the US led coalition Operations Room destroyed by Russia was involved in coordinating US and allied sponsored terrorist attacks in Aleppo and Idlib. In all likelihood, the Operations Room destroyed by Russia was also involved in the planning and implementation of the Deir Ezzor attack by the US Air force against Syrian SAA forces, carried out in the immediate wake of the Geneva ceasefire agreement.

The Syria based “Operations Rooms” were also in liaison with US and allied command as well as Special Forces on the ground (including Western military personnel hired by private mercenary companies) embedded within the various rebel terror groups including ISIS-Daesh and Al Nusra.

The existence and location of the Aleppo region Operations Room facility must have been known and (until recently) tolerated by both the Syrian government and the Russian military. And until recently no action was taken.

According to the Fars News Agency report (yet to be fully confirmed), it would appear that Moscow chose to target the Aleppo region (“semi- secret”) Operations Room in the immediate wake the Pentagon’s decision to order the USAF airstrikes against Syrian government forces involved in combating the ISIS-Daesh terrorists in Deir Ezzor.

The Russian attack against a US-NATO intelligence facility reported by Fars News Agency has not been picked up by the media, nor has it been acknowledged at the official level.

Assuming that the Fars New Report is accurate, the Russian attack against the US led coalition operations room has significant implications. Does it create a precedent? Russia attacks a US-led intelligence facility in reprisal for the Deir Ezzor attack against Syrian forces

It constitutes a potentially dangerous watershed in the evolution of the war on Syria, which should be seen within the broader context of military escalation.

Yet at the same time the Operations Room is an undeclared intelligence facility. Washington has not acknowledged it and Moscow has not provided an official confirmation of the attack. The Russian media is mum on the subject and so is Washington. Neither side has interest in making this issue public.

[Emphasis in original]

www.globalresearch.ca/u-s-coalition-intelligence-operations-room- inside-syria-destroyed-by-russian-missile-attack-thirty-israeli-american- british-turkish-saudi-qatari-intelligence-officials-killed-report/5547099? utm_campaign=magnet&utm_source=article_page&utm_medium=related_articles

randge  posted on  2016-09-22   14:42:57 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: randge (#33)

So it has begun.

Rotara  posted on  2016-09-22   14:56:24 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: Rotara, All (#34)

So it has begun.

In reality, it BEGAN long ago.

The seeds for the final war were sown long ago, not in our time. We are but a short time viewer, watching the toxic weed grow

Cynicom  posted on  2016-09-22   15:36:58 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: Cynicom (#36)

Top Russian military officials have warned that the U.S. deliberately killed 62 servicemen in order to provoke a war against Russia.

If I push you and push you and push you, sooner or later you'll take swing at me.

randge  posted on  2016-09-22   15:50:17 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#40. To: randge (#39)

If I push you and push you and push you, sooner or later you'll take swing at me.

This denizen is tooo olde, tooo mired in history to display a reaction of any kind. Just too damned olde.

Cynicom  posted on  2016-09-22 16:01:31 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: randge (#39)

My misfortune was to be dumped into a mans world, the real world, as an ignorant kid, over 65 years ago.

Saw things, was told things, participated in things that adults had problems handling. It was a puzzle, if you were concerned, one could try to put the damned thing together, or as most did, just ignore what the puzzle might look like if put together.

Or, one could soldier on with a blank mind, hoping you survived.

Cynicom  posted on  2016-09-22 16:13:09 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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