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Title: Russian Television Warns of Nuclear War Amid US Tensions
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Published: Oct 13, 2016
Author: Patrick Reevell
Post Date: 2016-10-13 18:05:06 by BTP Holdings
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Russian Television Warns of Nuclear War Amid US Tensions By Patrick Reevell 2 hours ago Good Morning America With diplomatic relations between Moscow and Washington at their lowest point since the Cold War, one could be forgiven for being alarmed by recent Russian news broadcasts. For the past month, Russian media outlets have been punctuated with reports asking people whether they are ready for nuclear war. “If it should one day happen, every one of you should know where the nearest bomb shelter is. It’s best to find out now,” according to one particularly fevered report on the Russian state-owned channel, NTV. Russia’s main current affairs show, hosted by a presenter known by critics as the country’s propagandist-in-chief, recently spent two hours warning that Russia would defend itself with nuclear arms. “We’ve had it with American scolding over Syria,” the show’s host, Evgeny Kiselyov, told his audience. "Impudent behavior,” from the U.S. he said, can take on “nuclear dimensions." Anti-Americanism is not rare on Russian state news, nor is an inclination for the apocalyptic. More notable than the intensity of the warnings has been how Russian government ministries have joined in the alarms in recent weeks. Since September, Russia has conducted a nationwide civil defense drill, purportedly involving 40 million people, preparing them for catastrophes, among them nuclear fallout. Russia’s military announced who would run the country in the event of war and ran an exercise simulating that in the south. The governor of St. Petersburg clarified what bread rations people could expect should Russia come under attack (300 grams for 20 days). Even more bluntly, Russia announced this week it was moving nuclear-capable ballistic missiles into its Northern European exclave, Kaliningrad, putting them within striking distance of Western capitals. Such moves have further raised the temperature with the West, already exceptionally high with the U.S. accusing Moscow of trying to interfere in its presidential elections and Russia accusing the U.S. of supporting terrorists in Syria. Relations were already at a low since the Ukraine crisis broke out in 2014, and the renewed clash over Moscow's military campaign in Syria has sent them to fresh depths. The blood-curdling statements and military posturing, however, do not herald imminent war, analysts said. “It’s ridiculous,” said Aleksander Baunov, an analyst at the Carnegie Moscow Center. “It’s not preparation for war.” He said the civil defense drills and the heated programming on television were directed more at the U.S., to deter it from interfering with Russia’s military campaign in Syria or responding too strongly to suspected Russian efforts to interfere with the U.S. elections. “They want to touch bottom and then to try to go up,” he said, adding that he feels Moscow is trying to set the tone for the incoming U.S. president. “Any responsible politician … if you are responsible and experienced, it cannot start with further downgrading already bad relations if they are already at bottom.” The chances of a real military confrontation between Russia and the U.S. have risen dramatically since Washington indicated it was considering launching airstrikes against the forces of Syrian President Bashar al-Assad after a cease-fire brokered by Moscow and Washington was abandoned and Assad and Russian aircraft unleashed a devastating bombardment on the city of Aleppo. Russia’s Defense Ministry has bluntly warned the U.S. not to intervene, threatening to shoot down any aircraft targeting Assad’s forces. But few analysts expect such an intervention from the U.S. “The good news is no one really wants a war,” said Pavel Felgengauer, a military analyst in Moscow. “But it’s going to be a good show.” Many ordinary Russians, though describing themselves as outraged by U.S. behavior in Syria, appear largely inured to the warnings of imminent nuclear doom. Photos appeared on social media from a suburban apartment block where pranksters or enterprising fraudsters had pinned fliers to a stairwell asking residents to begin donating cash for the construction of a local bomb shelter. “Hurry, places are limited,” the fliers read. “In reality, nothing has changed,” Baunov said. “There is no peak in anti-American mood here among people.” Poster Comment: It is pretty well common knowledge that the U.S. was a sponsor of ISIS. Maybe not to the average man on the street, but to those in the know, we've got them pegged.
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#1. To: BTP Holdings (#0)
The USA is not interested in peace or diplomacy; only threats and lies. Perhaps Russia should park nuclear subs off the east coast and let it be known their first targets are Washington DC and NYC. If the USA will not listen to reason perhaps they will listen to threats.
Not sure how many nuke subs the Russians have. I was watching a documentary on TV and they showed a Russian sub in mothballs with large pontoons holding it afloat. ;) "When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke
Not sure how many nuke subs the Russians have. I was watching a documentary on TV and they showed a Russian sub in mothballs with large pontoons holding it afloat. ;) ================================================ Give it five more years and Putin and China will take care of this. However, it will destroy the planet, and both Putin and his Chinese counterpart probably won't be alive to celebrate the victory. Russia has enough sub nukes to launch from both the Atlantic and Pacific to destroy us with thermonuclear, but they may not go that route. There could just be several nuclear E-M-P strikes, which destroys ALL ELECTRONICS and ANYTHING operating WITH electronics on the entire continent. Congress already knows a major EMP attack would kill 98% of all humans in the US within 365 days. That's how dependent Americans are on the electrical grid JUST TO SURVIVE. U.S. Constitution - Article IV, Section 4: NO BORDERS + NO LAWS = NO COUNTRY
Uhhhh... Hysteria mixed with horseshit is hilarious.
Hysteria mixed with horseshit is hilarious. ============================================== yes it is U.S. Constitution - Article IV, Section 4: NO BORDERS + NO LAWS = NO COUNTRY
Hap... In this age of TV education, most of what you hear is not true and half of what you see is not real. With this media war nonsense, I go to bed each night and sleep well. When war looms, all will know it. Til then, dont sweat the media hysteria and horseshit.
you should stop believing everything you hear on talk radio too.
______________________________________ Suspect all media / resist bad propaganda/Learn NLP everyday everyway ;) If you don't control your mind someone else will.
you should google.a bit more about the state of the russian sub program. they actully have some of the most advanced submarines on the planet. complete quiet and sonar proof. we are behind them now.
______________________________________ Suspect all media / resist bad propaganda/Learn NLP everyday everyway ;) If you don't control your mind someone else will.
Have not had a TV for 20 years, radio died fifteen years ago. One need not be a genius to see the need for abstinence. Actually via internet, I read more Asian news, from Japan to NZ, than Tel Aviv American outlets.
When was that made, back in the 90's? According to this chart, Russia has 60 active submarines. And here's a list of active Russian navy ships. List of active Russian Navy ships Here's a story about a recent series of test launches of ICBMs, both from land and submarines at sea.. Russian submarines, strategic missile troops test fire 3 long-range ballistic rockets So no, Russia's subs are not being kept afloat by pontoons, and are actively patrolling the seas. The measures that Russia is taking may be interpreted as genuine threat, or they may be seen as posturing in response to what I regard as monstrous pig- headedness, bald dishonesty, and arrogant risk taking on the part of the US. Is it not plain for all to see that we are feeding the headchoppers? Those blockheads in Washington should be chopped up for scrap. The latest developments in Syria are not, I believe, the result of some deliberate plan of the USA to help their "moderate terrorist" allies on the ground, but they are the symptom of something even worse: the complete loss of control of the USA over the situation in Syria and, possibly, elsewhere. Let me just re-state what just happened: First, after days and days of intensive negotiations, Secretary Kerry and Foreign Minister Lavrov finally reached a deal on a cease-fire in Syria which had the potential to at least "freeze" the situation on the ground until the Presidential election in the USA and a change in administration (this is now the single most important event in the near future, therefore no plans of any kind can extend beyond that date). Then the USAF, along with a few others, bombed a Syrian Army unit which was not on the move or engaged in intense operations, but which was simply holding a key sector of the front. The US strike was followed by a massive offensive of the "moderate terrorists" which was barely contained by the Syrian military and the Russian Aerospace forces. Needless to say, following such a brazen provocation the cease-fire was dead. The Russians expressed their total disgust and outrage at this attack and openly began saying that the Americans were "недоговороспособны". What that word means is literally "not-agreement-capable" or unable to make and then abide by an agreement. While polite, this expression is also extremely strong as it implies not so much a deliberate deception as the lack of the very ability to make a deal and abide by it. For example, the Russians have often said that the Kiev regime is "not-agreement-capable", and that makes sense considering that the Nazi occupied Ukraine is essentially a failed state. But to say that a nuclear world superpower is "not-agreement-capable" is a terrible and extreme diagnostic. It basically means that the Americans have gone crazy and lost the very ability to make any kind of deal. Again, a government which breaks its promises or tries to deceive but who, at least in theory, remains capable of sticking to an agreement would not be described as "not- agreement-capable". That expression is only used to describe an entity which does not even have the skillset needed to negotiate and stick to an agreement in its political toolkit. This is an absolutely devastating diagnostic. Next came the pathetic and absolutely unprofessional scene of US Ambassador Samantha Powers simply walking out of a UNSC meeting when the Russian representative was speaking. Again, the Russians were simply blown away, not by the infantile attempt at offending, but at the total lack of diplomatic professionalism shown the Powers. From a Russian point of view, for one superpower to simply walk out at the very moment the other superpower is making a crucial statement is simply irresponsible and, again, the sign that their American counterparts have totally "lost it". Finally, there came the crowning moment: the attack of the humanitarian convey in Syria which the USA blamed, of course, on Russia. The Russians, again, could barely believe their own eyes. First, this was such a blatant and, frankly, Kindergarten-level attempt to show that "the Russians make mistakes too" and that "the Russians killed the cease-fire". Second, there was this amazing statement of the Americans who said there are only two air forces which could have done that – either the Russians or the Syrians (how the Americans hoped to get away with this in an airspace thoroughly controlled by Russian radars is beyond me!). Somehow, the Americans "forgot" to mention that their own air force was also present in the region, along with the air forces of many US allies. Most importantly, they forgot to mention that that night armed US Predator drones were flying right over that convoy. What happened in Syria is painfully obvious: the Pentagon sabotaged the deal made between Kerry and Lavrov and when the Pentagon was accused of being responsible, it mounted a rather crude false flag attack and tried to blame it on the Russians. All this simply goes to show that the Obama Administration is in a state of confused agony. The White House apparently is so freaked out at the prospects of a Trump victory in November that it has basically lost control of its foreign policy in general and, especially, in Syria. The Russians are quite literally right: the Obama Administration is truly "not-agreement- capable". Of course, the fact that the Americans are acting like clueless frustrated children does not mean that Russia will reciprocate in kind. We have already seen Lavrov go back and further negotiate with Kerry. Not because the Russians are naive, but precisely because, unlike their US colleagues, the Russians are professionals who know that negotiations and open lines of communications are always, and by definition, preferable to a walk-away, especially when dealing with a superpower. Those observers who criticize Russia for being "weak" or "naive" simply project their own, mostly American, "reaction set" on the Russians and fail to realize the simply truth that Russians are not Americans, they think differently and they act differently. For one thing, the Russians don’t care if they are perceived as "weak" or "naive". In fact, they would prefer to be perceived as such if that furthers their goals and confuses the opponent about their real intentions and capabilities. The Russians know that they did not build the biggest country on the planet by being "weak" or "naive" and they won't be take lessons from a country which is younger that many Russian buildings. The western paradigm is usually like this: a crises leads to a breakdown in negotiations and conflict follows. The Russian paradigm is completely different: a crisis leads to negotiations which are conducted up the the last second before a conflict erupts. There are two reasons for that: first, continuing to negotiate up to the last second makes it possible to seek a way out of the confrontation up to the last second and, second, negotiations up to the last second make it possible to come as close as possible to achieving strategic surprise for an attack. This is exactly how Russia acted in Crimea and in Syria – with absolutely no warning signs or, even less so, a well-publicized display of power to attempt to intimidate somebody (intimidation is also a western political strategy the Russians don't use). So Lavrov will continue to negotiate, no matter how ridiculous and useless such negotiations will appear. And Lavrov himself will probably never officially utter the word “недоговороспособны”, but the message to the Russian people and to the Syrian, Iranian and Chinese allies of Russia will be that at this point Russia has lost any hope of dealing with the current US Administration. . . . It’s All About The Supreme Court
Uhhhh.... Recall 1950, Russia walking out, the UN voted to go to war in Korea??? How soon we forget.
Here's a salvo of Kalibr cruise missiles directed at ISIS in Syria being launched from a Russian sub in the Mediterranean Sea. Umm.... That is very old potatoes. I am talking about our government - today - the one that we are ostensibly accountable for. I am talking about our chuckleheaded leadership that sends our men into harm's way, and when they are released from service and want help from the VA, they can take a flying fuck. Refugee trash gets immediate medical and housing. We're not talking about the Truman administration here ferchrissakes. It’s All About The Supreme Court
I am talking about our government - today Agree, history is a bitch. What is unprofessional today was not then, I understand the logical thinking there. OUR government started a war that day, I paid for it.
I think what randge is trying to get at is that reminiscing about what happened 60+ years ago isn't going to fix what's happening TODAY. And sure, it's a good thing that Russia has cooler heads running the show than our OWN government does, past and present. Another old potato. In 1933 the Japanese walked out of League of Nations. War was on.
In this age of TV education, most of what you hear is not true and half of what you see is not real. With this media war nonsense, I go to bed each night and sleep well. When war looms, all will know it. Til then, dont sweat the media hysteria and horseshit. ===================================================== There are over 120 years of military service in my immediate nuclear family. There is not much I have not seen, heard, or witnessed that surprises me. Thanks for the advice though. U.S. Constitution - Article IV, Section 4: NO BORDERS + NO LAWS = NO COUNTRY
We cannot conduct a major land war with anyone, anywhere. That is not ancient history. just plain fact. Who wants nuclear war by intent???? The US, Russia, China??? Really???? The gain would be what? Submitting to war hysteria from any source is childish.
Obviously those who CONTROL the US wish it to happen. If Putin were a fraction as much of a lunatic as Hillary, it would have already happened. If Putin were a fraction as much of a lunatic as Hillary, it would have already happened. =========================================== Hillary will MAKE it happen. U.S. Constitution - Article IV, Section 4: NO BORDERS + NO LAWS = NO COUNTRY
That was the signal. We should have heeded that one, and same for Charles Lindbergh, Jr. who warned that Germany was rearming. ;) "When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke
Cyni, did you know that U.S. interceptor fighters turned back Russian bombers off all four coasts about a month ago? ;) "When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke
Yes... The military knew and accepted, long before WWII ended, that Russia never was an ally, that they were an enemy of long standing. Example...Waning months of the war, Russians were driving hard in sector of Germany with no real strategic cities nor military bases. We were mass bombing cities, railyards etc with a thousand bombers at a time. Right in front of Russian lines was small city with no anti aircraft batteries, fighters, nothing military. Along came a thousand bombers that obliterated every building, nothing left standing. Russians said nothing. Why did we do that?
To deprive the "enemy" of obtaining anything they could use from that small city. It is typical strategy of war. Sherman used it during the Civil War. He destroyed everything in the 40 mile wide swath as he marched to the sea. ;) "When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke
Why slaughter thousands of civilians unless there was SOMETHING there of great value that the Russians were hurrying to get????
I'm not sure of any strategic value that small city could have at this point in time. Perhaps more will come out in the near future. ;)
"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke
I forget the name of the small city. However located there was the entire German nuclear research effort. Years of work was contained in a few buildings. Russia wanted it intact. Just before they got there we wiped the entire thing from the map. Everything was destroyed. The Russians said nothing.
The Russians said nothing. The Rosenberg's fixed that with their espionage. ;) "When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke
Wisdom, like moss, comes with age, has nothing to do with intelligence nor education. Example, not all trees have moss. With that in mind, here is an exercise in moss gathering. Contemplate this...What IF Japan, Germany or Russia had perfected the A bomb first, during WWII. Quick decision generates no moss. Think about it awhile, contemplate, weigh, ponder, such generates beginning of moss.
There are none so blind as though who refuse to see.
Man's wisdom is worthless. God's wisdom is the end all. =================================== Having eyes, they do not see. Having ears, they do not hear. U.S. Constitution - Article IV, Section 4: NO BORDERS + NO LAWS = NO COUNTRY
I would not agree. Going back to AD 325 we find the First Council of Nicaea. Common man, with wisdom, was given the task of deciding what was divinely inspired and what was not. It was by common vote by common man that decided what went into the Bible and what was discarded. Over 300 various men of differing beliefs decided by majority vote as to what would be included. I would maintain they had to have wisdom, BECAUSE WHAT IS IN THE BIBLE WAS DECIDED FOR ALL TIME BY THESE MERE MORTALS. In tracing the origin of the Bible, one is led to AD 325, when > Constantine the Great called the First Council of Nicaea, composed of > 300 religious leaders. Three centuries after Jesus lived, this council > was given the task of separating divinely inspired writings from those > of questionable origin. > The actual compilation of the Bible was an incredibly complicated > project that involved churchmen of many varying beliefs, in an > atmosphere of dissension, jealousy, intolerance, persecution and > bigotry. When one reads the words spoken and attested to Jesus, we are reading what common man decided he said, it was all done by a VOTE, two votes either way it was added or thrown out, DECIDED BY MORTAL MEN.
I stopped at I would not agree. So I will accept agreeing to disagree. Dont blame you. Normally I remain silent in any religious discussion as it is all well above my pay grade.
To keep my brain active, todays chore was to refresh myself about the North Star. """Polaris was first catalogued in 169 AD by Claudius Ptolemy. However it was not used as a navigation tool until at least the 5th Century when the Macedonian writer and historian Stobaeus described it as ‘always visible’. The interesting thing was that Polaris was not always the Pole Star, nor will it always be. The ‘wobble’ of the Earth’s axis, also known as precession, means that over time the star the North Pole points to will change. In fact, it was not until around the 12th Century that Polaris could be reasonably used as the Pole Star. And by the year 4000, the precession effect means that we will have a new Pole Star – Gamma Cephei."""
Cyni is not only wise with age, he is also sneaky as hell. He opens up a religious topic and when he has the rubes hooked, he hoists his disclaimer and sails off into the sunset. Cynicom. You pirate! It’s All About The Supreme Court
I was a star gazer when I was younger. I can still spot the Big Dipper, North Star and Orion. Some of the other constellations are a little harder to spot, especially with the glow from city lights nearby. ;) "When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke
When I was young, studying Ptolemy and others, I use to wonder what was the driving force that led such men to stay out all night, to study and chart the stars. It surely was an intellectual thirst for knowledge of the unknown, but I wondered if there was some other inward desire that drove them?
#2. To: DWornock (#1)
Russia should park nuclear subs off the east coast
#3. To: BTP Holdings, formerlurker, lod, rotara (#2)
Russia should park nuclear subs off the east coast
#4. To: HAPPY2BME-4UM (#3)
#5. To: Cynicom (#4)
Uhhhh...
#6. To: HAPPY2BME-4UM (#5)
#7. To: Cynicom (#6)
#8. To: BTP Holdings (#2)
#9. To: titorite (#7)
you should stop believing everything you hear on talk radio too.
#10. To: BTP Holdings (#2)
Not sure how many nuke subs the Russians have. I was watching a documentary on TV and they showed a Russian sub in mothballs with large pontoons holding it afloat. ;)
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination 
#11. To: BTP Holdings (#0)
It is pretty well common knowledge that the U.S. was a sponsor of ISIS
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#12. To: randge (#11)
Next came the pathetic and absolutely unprofessional scene of US Ambassador Samantha Powers simply walking out of a UNSC meeting when the Russian representative was speaking.
#13. To: BTP Holdings (#2)
I was watching a documentary on TV and they showed a Russian sub in mothballs with large pontoons holding it afloat. ;)
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#14. To: Cynicom (#12)
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Recall 1950, Russia walking out, the UN voted to go to war in Korea???
#15. To: randge (#14)
That is very old potatoes.
#16. To: Cynicom, randge (#15)
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#17. To: randge (#14)
#18. To: Cynicom (#6)
Hap...
#19. To: HAPPY2BME-4UM (#18)
#20. To: Cynicom, HAPPY2BME-4UM (#19)
Who wants nuclear war by intent???? The US, Russia, China???
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#21. To: FormerLurker (#20)
Obviously those who CONTROL the US wish it to happen.
#22. To: Cynicom (#17)
In 1933 the Japanese walked out of League of Nations.
#23. To: Cynicom (#6)
When war looms, all will know it.
#24. To: BTP Holdings (#23)
fighters turned back Russian bombers off all four coasts about a month ago? ;
#25. To: Cynicom (#24)
Right in front of Russian lines was small city with no anti aircraft batteries, fighters, nothing military. Along came a thousand bombers that obliterated every building, nothing left standing. Russians said nothing. Why did we do that?
#26. To: BTP Holdings (#25)
To deprive the "enemy" of obtaining anything they could use from that small city.
#27. To: Cynicom (#26)
(Edited)
#28. To: BTP Holdings (#27)
#29. To: Cynicom (#28)
Everything was destroyed.
#30. To: BTP Holdings (#29)
#31. To: HAPPY2BME-4UM (#5)
"Define yourself as one beloved by God. This is the true self. Every other identity is illusion."—Brennan Manning
#32. To: Cynicom (#30)
"Define yourself as one beloved by God. This is the true self. Every other identity is illusion."—Brennan Manning
#33. To: Rotara (#31)
There are none so blind as though who refuse to see.
#34. To: Rotara (#32)
Man's wisdom is worthless.
#35. To: Cynicom (#34)
"Define yourself as one beloved by God. This is the true self. Every other identity is illusion."—Brennan Manning
#36. To: Rotara (#35)
I stopped at I would not agree.
#37. To: Rotara (#35)
#38. To: Cynicom (#36)
Normally I remain silent in any religious discussion as it is all well above my pay grade.
#39. To: Cynicom (#37)
To keep my brain active, todays chore was to refresh myself about the North Star.
#40. To: BTP Holdings, randge, Rotara (#39)
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