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Title: Haaretz: Questioning holocaust "is tantamount to saying that the Jews have led the world astray"
Source: Haaretz
URL Source: http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/686226.html
Published: Feb 23, 2006
Author: Editorial
Post Date: 2006-02-23 12:16:30 by bluegrass
Ping List: *New History*
Keywords: Questioning, tantamount, holocaust
Views: 5036
Comments: 38

A court in Austria this week sentenced British historian David Irving to three years in prison after convicting him of violating the law that forbids denial of the Holocaust.

Irving was convicted by his own admission for two speeches he made in Austria in 1989. He claimed in court that he had changed his opinion since then, and had erred when he stated there had been no gas chambers in Auschwitz.

Several European states and Israel have enacted laws forbidding denial of the Holocaust; Britain and the United States have no such ban.

Irving's sentence raises an argument, which resonates in Israel as well. Some argue that laws forbidding Holocaust denial infringe on the freedom of expression and do nothing to deter the deniers. Others maintain that denying the Holocaust has lessened in recent years, and attribute this, among other things, to the deterring force of the laws forbidding it.

In the West, denial thrives among a lunatic fringe that operates through the Internet. Its effect is marginal, especially because the Holocaust has become a universal code for absolute evil. In many countries it plays a central role in the public, political and moral discourse, and in study programs, museums, films, books and the like. Therefore, it seems that the Holocaust does not need laws forbidding its denial.

In the Muslim world, Holocaust denial serves mainly to nurture hostility toward Israel. Iran's president has jumped on the denial bandwagon and made it his pet theme. His country is planning a world conference of deniers, which is apparently expected to advance Iran's comprehensive war against western culture.

Many Muslims see the denial as a kind of retaliation to the publication of the caricatures against Mohammed. Laws against Holocaust denial in Austria and Israel will deter neither the Iranians nor the Arabs.

Holocaust denial has been prevalent in the Arab states for years. This trend is worrisome, because it is impossible to understand Israel without understanding the Holocaust's central place in creating Israeli identity. And without understanding one's enemy, one cannot make peace with him. Therefore, Arabs who refuse to partake of the denial should be encouraged. These include several prominent Palestinian intellectuals, who even acted a few years ago to cancel a deniers conference planned in Beirut.

Denying the Holocaust should be outlawed because it is a type of racial, anti-Semitic incitement. Claiming the Holocaust did not happen is tantamount to saying that the Jews have led the world astray. Anyone who says that is depriving the Jews of their main argument in their demand that the world protect them, and is abandoning them to their foes.

Denial harms not only Jews. The Holocaust heritage sets a benchmark for universal humane values, and its denial weakens its validity, and legitimizes racism and violations of human rights, which require constant bolstering.

From this point of view, Holocaust denial is a crime against humanity, and freedom of expression should not apply to it.


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"Claiming the Holocaust did not happen is tantamount to saying that the Jews have led the world astray. Anyone who says that is depriving the Jews of their main argument in their demand that the world protect them, and is abandoning them to their foes."

The chutzpah grows by the day. They're their own worst enemy.

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#21. To: bluegrass (#0)

My response to Haaretz was the following.

Regarding your editorial http://www.haaretzdaily.com/hasen/spages/686226.html

"In the West, denial thrives among a lunatic fringe that operates through the Internet."

Absolutely true and I am one of those lunatics. If you doubt me try

http://www.giwersworld.org/holo3/ http://www.giwersworld.org/holo2/ http://www.giwersworld.org/holo/

Now that my credentials as a lunatic are established, one of the things I regularly note is you holohuggers&tm; never even try get your act together. It is all purple prose and high melodrama.

"This trend is worrisome, because it is impossible to understand Israel without understanding the Holocaust's central place in creating Israeli identity."

It is considered a primary sin of revisionism and antisemitic to connect the holy holocaust with the existence of Israel in its form and place. Rest assured I will make the most of your correct, antisemitic, revisionist observation.

Also I have been called antisemitic simply for posting articles from Haaretz without comment. Most recently that happened by citing your article on plans to reduce the daily calorie intake of Palestinians. See the sig on this email.

You folks really should get into the outside world and stop imagining what it is like. You really should learn that revisionists are not stereotype you imagine. As a lunatic I know from where I speak. Do not forget to read my lunatic writings on the links so you understand the degree of lunacy with which you deal.

You folks also need to get beyond "never speak ill of thy fellow Republican" because you make it a slam dunk as is. I have lots of political oxen to gore and none are so easy as holohuggers as I only need quote them. While it is easy to quote holohuggers, holohuggers are never able to recite the core of revisionism, the absense of physical for gas chambers and the absense of demographic evidence for the numbers claimed to have bee holocausted.

As a lunatic I noticed just a couple days ago you ran a news article saying "deniers" were at most twenty people centered around the Institute for Historical Review financed by some secret group which sounds like the Illuminati or the Elders of Zion.

So is it twenty and the IHR or an unspecified number and the internet? Which is true? Why do you not know? Why do you not care? All Republicans are correct so never speak ill of thy fellow Republican.

I opt for the internet myself. But I have no problem citing Haaretz as authorative for both positions. I read your website daily and this is the only subject where you post such mutually exclusive material WITHOUT citing the person, Prof. Dina Porat, with whom the editor disagrees. Why the break with tradition and custom?

Do not construe this as a plea to get something right for a change or for consistency. Consider this at best a lame and lunatic attempt at sarcasm.

-- Most Palestinians have gone on a hunger strike. Not voluntary but a hunger strike nevertheless. -- The Iron Webmaster, 3582 nizkor http://www.giwersworld.org/nizkook/nizkook.phtml Old Testament http://www.giwersworld.org/bible/ot.phtml a6 http://www.giwersworld.org/flyingsa.html

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#23. To: Matt Giwer (#21)

Why the break with tradition and custom?

Ooooh!

Tauzero  posted on  2006-02-23   14:32:02 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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