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Title: Questions rise about Trump-ordered raid in Yemen
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URL Source: http://thehill.com/policy/defense/3 ... ithout-sufficient-intelligence
Published: Feb 2, 2017
Author: REBECCA SAVRANSKY
Post Date: 2017-02-02 11:18:24 by Ada
Keywords: None
Views: 209
Comments: 14

The first military operation ordered by President Trump may have resulted in as many as 30 civilian deaths and the killing of an American operative, according to several reports questioning the intelligence behind the raid in Yemen.

U.S. military officials told Reuters that the operation was approved without sufficient intelligence, ground support or adequate backup operations.

Navy SEAL William "Ryan" Owens died in the raid, along with 14 militants. President Trump flew to Dover Air Base in Delaware on Wednesday to visit with Owens's family.

Trump approved the early Sunday morning raid, but it had been in the works under the Obama administration for months.

The New York Times reported that Obama's national security aides had approved the plans for the risky attack and that Obama had not acted because the military wanted to launch that attack on a moonless night. The next such night would have been after his term.

The Times and Washington Post have reported that just about everything that could have gone wrong did go wrong on the mission and that it appears al Qaeda fighters in Yemen were tipped off to the approaching forces from the United States and United Arab Emirates.

The U.S. has acknowledged the civilian casualties.

U.S. Central Command said in a statement that a team investigating the incident had "concluded regrettably that civilian non-combatants were likely killed."

Children may have also been among some of the civilians killed during the raid.

Centcom said it is looking to find out "if there were any still-undetected civilian casualties in the ferocious firefight."

In addition to Owens's death, three service members were injured in the raid. A fourth service member was also injured when a U.S. military aircraft assisting in the operation experienced a hard landing at a nearby location.

Trump declared the operation a success, and Centcom said it resulted in the capture of information that “will likely provide insight into the planning of future terror plots,” Centcom said.

But the civilian deaths and U.S. casualties have raised doubts about whether enough questions were asked by Trump before he ordered the raid, as well as about the months of planning that went into the operation.

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#1. To: Ada (#0)

So who's leaking the info on these ops?

“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken

Lod  posted on  2017-02-02   11:31:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Ada (#0)

it appears al Qaeda fighters in Yemen were tipped off to the approaching forces

Trump needs to find out how this leaked and crucify parties as necessary.

evahthang go' be aw-rite

randge  posted on  2017-02-02   11:33:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Lod (#1)

So who's leaking the info on these ops?

Clinton knee padders in State Dept.

Cynicom  posted on  2017-02-02   12:03:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: randge (#2)

I read somewhere else that the locals noticed increased drone activity and were tipped off because of that.

This is what I don't like about Trump, but did expect. These operations can encourage more people to sign up for hate-the-USA jihad. I can only hope he'll wise up to this folly.

Pinguinite  posted on  2017-02-02   12:07:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Pinguinite (#4)

I read somewhere else that the locals noticed increased drone activity

I believe you're right from what I see.

Hoping against hope I am that in letting this Obama-era operation go forward, Trump was trying to mollify the hawks that are hot hot hot on his tail.

Some say that this op was sabotaged. I dunno.

I don't like these kinds of operations at all. They are bad for the reasons that you mention.

evahthang go' be aw-rite

randge  posted on  2017-02-02   12:21:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: randge (#2)

Trump needs to find out how this leaked and crucify parties as necessary.

The more likely explanation is that not only did the locals figure it out for themselves but SEAL team 6 knew that the element of surprise had been lost but decided to go ahead anyway. Bad decision.

Ada  posted on  2017-02-02   12:26:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Pinguinite (#4)

This is what I don't like about Trump, but did expect.

I suspect Trump feels he must cooperate with the Pentagon. Maybe he does (he can't go it alone) but he had better straighten them out.

Ada  posted on  2017-02-02   12:31:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Lod (#1)

So who's leaking the info on these ops?

The drones were flying so low that even Helen Keller could have figured it out.

Ada  posted on  2017-02-02   12:50:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Ada (#8)

Why were both drones and seals needed to bomb those people?

Sounds like a CF operation from the start.

“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken

Lod  posted on  2017-02-02   13:34:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Lod (#9)

Why were both drones and seals needed to bomb those people?

Sounds like a CF operation from the start.

Question is why bomb them at all. This was Al Qaeda, not the main rebel group, who were perhaps getting too influential; and while we are currently allied with Al Qaeda in Syria, maybe National Security figured to take them down a peg or two. Dunno, just a guess.

Yes, it was another CF exacerbated by SEAL arrogance in thinking that they could go ahead even when they knew they had been spotted. another extrajudicial killing

Ada  posted on  2017-02-02   14:04:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Ada (#10)

Question is why bomb them at all.

Exactly, and amen.

We walked right in, and we can walk right out. ~ Ron Paul

“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken

Lod  posted on  2017-02-02   14:08:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Ada (#7)

I suspect Trump feels he must cooperate with the Pentagon.

If there's one thing true about Trump, it's that he's a take charge kinda guy, so I'd disagree with that assessment. Then again, everyone has their limits. I'm sure he'll review all the facts about what went right and wrong, and take corrective action, including slamming those individuals in the military that made mistakes. Perhaps including himself if he failed to spot something. But this operation was put together under Obama so....

And Trump did fail to spot something, and is still failing to see it, as per discussion above. Hopefully he'll soon only use the military to defend the people of the US and leave foreigners living in foreign countries alone.

Pinguinite  posted on  2017-02-02   14:42:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Pinguinite (#12)

If there's one thing true about Trump, it's that he's a take charge kinda guy, so I'd disagree with that assessment.

Trump cannot take on the entire Deep State by himself. He needs allies, and I suspect they are the Pentagon and CIA. He has many enemies including his own party. (See CIA Deep State which mentions that Priebus may be a CIA mole.)

This raid was planned and okayed under Obama but postponed for a month to take advantage of a new moon. I suppose Trump also had to sign off on it but as it already had been approved, why not? Tactics were the job of the military but he had to decide whether it was a good idea. Perhaps he was too hasty.

What's important now is how he will respond. Will he investigate or sweep it under the rug?

Ada  posted on  2017-02-02   15:24:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: Ada (#13) (Edited)

thehill.com, sourced at the Opening Post: it had been in the works under the Obama administration for months. The New York Times reported that Obama's national security aides had approved the plans for the risky attack and that Obama had not acted because the military wanted to launch that attack on a moonless night. The next such night would have been after his term. The Times and Washington Post have reported that just about everything that could have gone wrong did go wrong

Ada at Post #13: This raid was planned and okayed under Obama but postponed for a month to take advantage of a new moon.

nbcnews.com JAN 31 2017: SEAL, American Girl Die in First Trump-Era U.S. Military Raid - with 3 short videos [1. approximately 1-minute: At 21-seconds, SEAL Team reported as "Teal Seam" -- teal being a sort of aquamarine/turquoise color. 2. approximate 30-second report of a ship, the USS Mason - a Destroyer. 3. approximately 2-minutes: a report on starving Children in Besieged Yemen]

Article excerpts, annotated:

In what an [unnamed] official said was the first military raid carried out under President Donald Trump, two Americans were killed in Yemen on Sunday [Jan 29, 2017] — one a member of SEAL Team 6 and the other the 8-year-old daughter of Anwar al-Awlaki, the New Mexico-born al Qaeda leader who himself was killed in a U.S. strike five years ago.

Contrary to earlier reporting, the [anonymous] senior military official said, the raid was Trump's first clandestine strike — not a holdover mission approved by President Barack Obama. ... "Almost everything went wrong," the [mystery] official said.

On Monday [Jan 30, 2017], [Defense Secretary James Mattis] released a statement identifying the dead SEAL as Chief Petty Officer William "Ryan" Owens and said, "Ryan gave his full measure for our nation, and in performing his duty, he upheld the noblest standard of military service."

The [unknown] senior military official said the 8-year-old girl, Nawar al-Awlaki, also known as Nora, was among the noncombatants killed in the raid, which also resulted in the death of several Yemeni women. U.S. officials said some of the women who were killed, however, were combatants and had opened fire on the SEALs as they approached the al Qaeda camp.

The girl's grandfather, Nasser al-Awlaki, Yemen's former agriculture minister, told NBC News a different story. He identified his granddaughter as the dead girl from a photo taken at the scene of the raid but based his description on what happened at the camp on conversations with what he characterized as Yemeni sources. ... The child's mother, [his son] Anwar al-Awlaki's widow, survived the raid with a minor wound, according to Nasser al-Awlaki. However, [his son] Anwar al-Awlaki's brother-in-law was killed in the raid.

Nawar's father, Anwar al-Awlaki was killed by a drone on Sept. 30, 2011, not far from Sunday's [Jan 29, 2017] raid. The U.S. Justice Department had approved killing him in a memorandum that was disclosed in 2014. The memo concluded, "We do not believe that al-Awlaki's U.S. citizenship imposes constitutional limitations that would preclude the contemplated lethal action" by the U.S. military or the CIA.

[Anwar] Al-Awlaki, who was born while his father was a graduate student in the United States, moved to Yemen and became a prodigious propagandist ... Nawar al-Awlaki is the second of Anwar al-Awlaki's children to be killed by U.S. forces. Two weeks after Anwar was killed in late 2011, his 16-year-old son, Abdulrahman, was also struck in a drone strike. U.S. officials said the younger al-Awlaki was in the wrong place at the wrong time — that he was with their intended target, an al Qaeda leader.

Karen Greenberg, director of Fordham University's Center on National Security, said the girl's death will be a boon to al Qaeda [Note: and Democrat, et al] propagandists. ... Intentional or not, Greenberg said, the deaths of three al-Awlaki family members will enhance the al Qaeda narrative.

"The perception will be that it's not enough to kill al-Awlaki — that the U.S. had to kill the entire family," she said.

At the NBC report linked above for CPO William "Ryan" Owens, Navy SEAL, Nawar/Nora Al-Awlaki is reported as the 8-year-old granddaughter of Anwar [not Nasser] al-Awlaki.

A 4um Ref. excerpt, huffingtonpost.com 03/09/2016: Trump Says He Never Pledged To Kill Family Members Of Terrorists

And another 4um Ref. excerpt:

Pelosi Loses It on Trump’s SCOTUS Pick: “If You Breathe Air, Drink Water, Eat Food… This Is a Very Bad Decision” (VIDEO)

Jim Hoft Feb 1st, 2017

Last night Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi was talking to the moon and singing folk songs. [47-second video at thegatewaypundit.com]

Annotated excerpts from thegatewaypundit.com site linked above, with 47-second video there:

Jim Hoft Jan 31st, 2017

Hah-hah-Hah! Nancy Pelosi, Chuck Schumer and the hapless Democrats tried to hold a rally last night [Monday, Jan 30, 2017] on the steps of the Supreme Court.

But their microphone didn’t work.

Pelosi [and others] caught babbling on about the moon! Too funny!

[At 12 seconds, she says: "Look at that moon. It's a New Moon." (So, most likely not very visible.) ... folk singing ... At 34 seconds, Schumer chants, "The order will make us unsafe. The order will make us inhumane," then she says, "Introduce the real people," and that she'll introduce them ... Schumer? asks, "Are they here? Where are they?"]

3 short YouTubes of the ceremonial protest assembly against Trump:

1. Democrats Protest Last Night Was a HILARIOUS DISASTER! - 2.5 mins.

Mic problems, singing. At 0:43-0:53, comments about the moon and as if it's not low-visibility at that time. Some singing, mic problems and then an announcement by Pelosi of Senate Democrat protestors arriving soon, more mic problems and singing. Short fight-speech segment by Schumer. Pelosi "Real People" introduction of the crowd, told to all hold their candles high like a torch on the Statue of Liberty/Lady Liberty. Singing and introduction of no-show speakers, Schumer asks, "Are they here? Where are they?", Pelosi looks for a replacement speaker, more singing.

2. This 3.75 minute version is somewhat different: Pelosi announces that she's there with members of the House Democratic Caucus, comments about the New Moon and the crowd cheers that the mic is working, Pelosi re-announces that she's there with members of the House Democratic Caucus, that Senate Democrat protestors are to arrive soon, gives a speech about sharing the bipartisan views of Republican colleagues who think as lowly of Trump as Dems do and agree with them that he's undermined their "Politically Correct" Values of Cultural Marxism and doesn't support the oath of office that they take (which very seldom seems on the Left to have anything at all to do with the Constitution, as she infers). More mic problems, singing, ends there with Pelosi thanking an audio-tech named Crowley.

3. Pelosi Doesn't Know Where Her 'Real People' Are - 2 mins.

Schumer and Pelosi both give speeches about the Statue of Liberty by candlelight as torches. Schumer speaks spookily in his of "this evil order" [a much shorter admittance moratorium than was enacted previously by Obama and Congressionals then for the very same 7 nations?]; Pelosi denigrates Trump as stooping low with his "unconstitutional" order [which isn't really unconstitutional and shows her to be unmindful of Constitutionality]. Four planned speakers [2 Muslim? and 2 Senators] don't appear at the podium when called by Pelosi and Schumer but a summoned House Rep. starts speaking from somewhere.

4um Ref. excerpt: "the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself." -- Marcus Tullius Cicero.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2017-02-03   2:53:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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