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Title: California State Senate Leader: ‘Half My Family’ Here Illegally
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Published: Feb 6, 2017
Author: jj
Post Date: 2017-02-06 03:16:37 by HAPPY2BME-4UM
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Views: 168
Comments: 8

Published on Feb 5, 2017

Lawmakers debate making California a “Sanctuary State” - Kevin de Leon (D-Los Angeles)
https://youtu.be/IaLqH4gPhu4

California State Senate President Pro Tem Kevin De Léon (D-Los Angeles) said last Tuesday that “half his family” was in the country illegally, using false documents, and eligible for deportation under President Trump’s new executive order against “sanctuary” jurisdictions.

De Léon, who introduced the bill, made his remarks at a hearing in Sacramento on SB54, the bill to make California a “Sanctuary State.”

… I can tell you half of my family would be eligible for deportation under [President Donald Trump’s] executive order, because if they got a false Social Security card, if they got a false identification, if they got a false driver’s license prior to us passing AB60, if they got a false green card, and anyone who has family members, you know, who are undocumented knows that almost entirely everybody has secured some sort of false identification. That’s what you need to survive, to work. They are eligible for massive deportation.

Testifying before the Senate Public Safety Committee, De Léon defended the widespread practice by illegal aliens of using fraudulent documents to work and obtain taxpayer-paid benefits, dismissing any concerns California citizens may have about being the target of identity theft.

In an interview the following day on KPCC 89.3’s Air Talk with Larry Mantle, De Léon expressed outrage that President Trump’s executive order would include those who possess fraudulent documents or committed identity theft to obtain a Social Security number.

“Someone simply who received or purchased a [fraudulent] Social Security card down at McArthur Park, or elsewhere in my district would be eligible immediately for mass deportation,” De Léon said (at 11:45 in the link above).

“He’s trying to deputize police officers — and with the suspicion of someone being a criminal or having a broken taillight, that they themselves, as a local police officer, could call the ICE agents immediately and have that person deported without even legal due process.”

Host Larry Mantle asked him: “… First of all, I just — I want to make sure I understand correctly: You don’t think purchasing a phony Social Security card and number should be a deportable offense?”

De Léon replied: “I don’t think so … the vast majority of immigrants — hard working immigrants — have done that. I can tell you I have family members specifically who came here as undocumented immigrants, and they did the same thing. That’s what you need to do to survive in this economy.”

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#1. To: HAPPY2BME-4UM (#0)

Host Larry Mantle asked him: “… First of all, I just — I want to make sure I understand correctly: You don’t think purchasing a phony Social Security card and number should be a deportable offense?”

De Léon replied: “I don’t think so … the vast majority of immigrants — hard working immigrants — have done that. I can tell you I have family members specifically who came here as undocumented immigrants, and they did the same thing. That’s what you need to do to survive in this economy.”

That may be true but, if so, they had help from some official working for the Social Security Administration. However, it is almost impossible for an ordinary person to obtain a usable fake Social Security card and number. Most median to large companies and government offices are tied into the Social Security Administration. Just type Name SS#, date of birth, and sex in instantly verify with the Social Security Administration.

If age 12 or over, to get a SS# you must be interviewed by someone in a SS office, and the SS administration verifies all document with the issuing agency. You might assume someone's SS# but not someone that died because all deaths are sent to SS administration. Type in the name and number and it comes back deceased. It is even difficult to find a valid SS#. Twenty years ago, in colleges grades were posted by SS#. That is no longer done. If you do assume a SS# and earn money, that is going to be discovered when the person files a tax return.

Also, obtaining a usable fake driver license or birth certificate is just as difficult. It is easy to make a fake SS card, driver license, or birth certificate. If you provide a template, for $400 plus 50 each for a small number, you can order holograms from India or China. However, the documents can't be verified. A fake driver license may be used to rent an apartment. Since they collect the deposit and rent in advance, they are not likely to take the time to verify.

DWornock  posted on  2017-02-06   13:46:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: DWornock (#1)

Another problem is that people that were hired before E-Verify was instituted are grandfathered in.

You cannot check them post hire. Co. lawyers will advise against making such requests.

E-Verify is only used for new hires.

randge  posted on  2017-02-06   14:27:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: randge (#2)

That may be but e-verify has been around for 10 to 20 years and most people have not been employed that long. I don't know how employment would work with a fake social security number(SSN). No doubt there would be withholding credited the the fake SSN but the IRS would know the SSN is not valid and might contact the employer. Also, tax returns would be be a problem.

DWornock  posted on  2017-02-06   21:20:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: HAPPY2BME-4UM (#0) (Edited)

California State Senate Leader: ‘Half My Family’ Here Illegally - 2 minute 12 second YouTube at the Opening Post

Article excerpts:

California State Senate President Pro Tem Kevin De Léon (D-Los Angeles) said last Tuesday that “half his family” was in the country illegally, using false documents, and eligible for deportation under President Trump’s new executive order against “sanctuary” jurisdictions.

De Léon, who introduced the bill, made his remarks at a hearing in Sacramento on SB54, the bill to make California a “Sanctuary State.”

… I can tell you half of my family would be eligible for deportation under [President Donald Trump’s] executive order, because if they got a false Social Security card, if they got a false identification, if they got a false driver’s license prior to us passing AB60, if they got a false green card, and anyone who has family members, you know, who are undocumented knows that almost entirely everybody has secured some sort of false identification. That’s what you need to survive, to work. They are eligible for massive deportation.

Testifying before the Senate Public Safety Committee, De Léon defended the widespread practice by illegal aliens of using fraudulent documents to work and obtain taxpayer-paid benefits, dismissing any concerns California citizens may have about being the target of identity theft.

In an interview the following day on KPCC 89.3’s Air Talk with Larry Mantle, De Léon expressed outrage that President Trump’s executive order would include those who possess fraudulent documents or committed identity theft to obtain a Social Security number.

A comment at the YouTube site linked above:

Title 8, U.S.C. § 1324(a) defines several distinct offenses related to aliens. Subsection 1324(a)(1)(i)-(v) prohibits alien smuggling, domestic transportation of unauthorized aliens, concealing or harboring unauthorized aliens, encouraging or inducing unauthorized aliens to enter the United States, and engaging in a conspiracy or aiding and abetting any of the preceding acts. Subsection 1324(a)(2) prohibits bringing or attempting to bring unauthorized aliens to the United States in any manner whatsoever, even at a designated port of entry. Subsection 1324(a)(3).

4um Ref. with these 2 YouTube comments there:

"7 Million illegals are using other peoples social security numbers. what this means is that they are paying in to social security but the state government keeps that money. This is the true reason for Sanctuary Cities. (35 million a week)

"actually our government pays these people ss benefits even when they commit identity fraud. check it out." : http://cis.org/SocialSecurityTotalization-Mexico

Some law.cornell.edu Refs.

U.S. Code › Title 8 › Chapter 12 › Subchapter II › Part VIII › § 1324

8 U.S. Code § 1324 - Bringing in and harboring certain aliens

8 U.S. Code § 1324a - Unlawful employment of aliens

8 U.S. Code § 1324b - Unfair immigration-related employment practices

8 U.S. Code § 1324c - Penalties for document fraud

The Criminal Penalties of 8 U.S. Code § 1324 — Bringing in and Harboring Certain Aliens - freedomoutpost.com DECEMBER 4, 2014

Notice that the punishments are classified under the purview of Title 18, the section outlining crimes and criminal procedure, specifically, 18 U.S. Code § 2381 - Treason

Edit to insert: Title 18 - CRIMES AND CRIMINAL PROCEDURE >>> PART I - CRIMES (§§ 1 to 2725) >>> CHAPTER 115 - TREASON, SEDITION, AND SUBVERSIVE ACTIVITIES (§§ 2381 to 2391) >>> § 2381 - Treason [one of the penalties being: and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States.]

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2017-02-08   21:23:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: GreyLmist (#4)

As usual, great research; thank you.

“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken

Lod  posted on  2017-02-08   22:19:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Lod (#5)

As usual, great research; thank you.

Thank you muchly, Lod, and you're quite welcome, of course. It was in a bit of disarray but I think it's been tidyed up enough that I can get back to my earlier posting project now... : )

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2017-02-08   22:48:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: GreyLmist (#4)

Thank you sir!

U.S. Constitution - Article IV, Section 4: NO BORDERS + NO LAWS = NO COUNTRY

HAPPY2BME-4UM  posted on  2017-02-09   1:53:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: HAPPY2BME-4UM (#7) (Edited)

Thank you sir!

Ma'am and you're welcome. :) Posting this breitbart.com article as an additional source with video [click on the video screen to stop]:

California State Senate Leader: ‘Half My Family’ Here Illegally by ASSEMBLYMAN TIM DONNELLY, 5 Feb 2017

Archiving these sources on this topic from the early Obama-admin period until recently, prior to the 2016 General Election. Might printout some of the contents later:

1. U.S. Supreme Court Rejects Use of Identity-Theft Law Against Illegal Immigrants - The New York Times, MAY 4, 2009

2. Court rules using someone else’s social security number not identity theft - Northern Colorado Gazette, November 3, 2010

3. Courts: Using another's SSN not a crime - NBC News, NOV 30 2010

4. Using a false Social Security number is a crime — but is it a crime ‘of moral turpitude’? - The Washington Post, August 26, 2016

5. Social Security Fraud and Identity Theft - thebalance.com, June 04, 2016

6. Immigrants Working Illegally In The U.S. File Tax Returns Without The Fear Of Deportation - Texas Public Radio, APR 17, 2015 [with 5 minute audio file; the article is an approximate transcription]

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2017-02-10   15:35:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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