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Title: Scraping by on six figures? Tech workers feel poor in Silicon Valley's wealth bubble
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URL Source: https://www.theguardian.com/technol ... icas-highest-paid-feeling-poor
Published: Feb 28, 2017
Author: Staff
Post Date: 2017-02-28 07:15:58 by Horse
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Views: 172
Comments: 10

I didn’t become a software engineer to be trying to make ends meet,” said a Twitter employee in his early 40s who earns a base salary of $160,000. It is, he added, a “pretty bad” income for raising a family in the Bay Area.

The biggest cost is his $3,000 rent – which he said was “ultra cheap” for the area – for a two-bedroom house in San Francisco, where he lives with his wife and two kids. He’d like a slightly bigger property, but finds himself competing with groups of twentysomethings happy to share accommodation while paying up to $2,000 for a single room.

“Families are priced out of the market,” he said, adding that family-friendly cafes and restaurants have slowly been replaced by “hip coffee shops”.

Silicon Valley super-rich head south to escape from a global apocalypse Read more Silicon Valley’s latest tech boom, combined with a housing shortage, has caused rents to soar over the last five years. The city’s rents, by one measure, are now the highest in the world.

The prohibitive costs have displaced teachers, city workers, firefighters and other members of the middle class, not to mention low-income residents.

Now techies, many of whom are among the highest 1% of earners, are complaining that they, too, are being priced out.

The Twitter employee said he hit a low point in early 2014 when the company changed its payroll schedule, leaving him with a hole in his budget. “I had to borrow money to make it through the month.”

He was one of several tech workers, earning between $100,000 and $700,000 a year, who vented to the Guardian about their financial situation. Almost all of them spoke only on the condition of anonymity, or agreed only to give their first names, fearing retribution by their employers for speaking publicly about their predicament.

‘The American dream is not working out here’ Complaints from well-compensated tech workers will sound like chutzpah to many of the other 99% who are struggling to get by on a fraction of their income. But there appears to be a growing frustration among tech workers who say that they are struggling to get by.

Facebook engineers last year even raised the issue with founder Mark Zuckerberg, asking whether the company could subsidize their rents to make their living situation more affordable, according to an executive at the company who has since departed.

The cost of housing is a common complaint among Bay Area techies. Engineers can expect, according to one analysis, to pay between 40% and 50% of their salary renting an apartment near work.

Twitter headquarters in San Francisco. Facebook Twitter Pinterest Twitter headquarters in San Francisco. Photograph: Bloomberg/Bloomberg via Getty Images One Apple employee was recently living in a Santa Cruz garage, using a compost bucket as a toilet. Another tech worker, enrolled in a coding bootcamp, described how he lived with 12 other engineers in a two-bedroom apartment rented via Airbnb. “It was $1,100 for a fucking bunk bed and five people in the same room. One guy was living in a closet, paying $1,400 for a ‘private room’.”

“We make over $1m between us, but we can’t afford a house,” said a woman in her 50s who works in digital marketing for a major telecoms corporation, while her partner works as an engineer at a digital media company. “This is part of where the American dream is not working out here.”

We went to an open house that would shorten my commute by ​​eight miles. It sold in 24 hours for $1.7m The prospect of losing her job and not having health insurance is a particular concern, given that she had cancer a couple of years ago. “If Obamacare goes away and I lose my job I am deeply screwed,” she said.

Michelle, a 28-year-old tech worker who earns a six-figure salary at a data science startup said her only chance of buying a home would be if she combined income with a partner. “For all the feminist movement of ‘you can do it all’, the concept of home ownership is really truly out of reach,” she said. “For me that’s disheartening.”

Another tech worker feeling excluded from the real estate market was 41-year- old Michael, who works at a networking firm in Silicon Valley and last year earned $700,000. Sick of his 22-mile commute to work, which can sometimes take up to two and half hours, he explored buying a property nearer work.

“We went to an open house in Los Gatos that would shorten my commute by eight miles. It was 1,700 sq ft and listed at $1.4m. It sold in 24 hours for $1.7m,” he said.

How America counts its homeless – and why so many are overlooked Read more Although he said his salary means he can afford to live a decent life, he finds the cost of living, combined with the terrible commute, unpalatable. He’s had enough, and has accepted a 50% pay cut to relocate to San Diego.

“We will be unequivocally better off than we are now.” He said he won’t miss some of the more mundane day-to-day costs, like spending $8 on a bagel and coffee or $12 on freshly pressed juice.

Michael isn’t the only tech worker considering leaving Silicon Valley in search of a better life. A Canadian IT specialist in his late 40s, earning more than $200,000, has a similar plan. “When I came to the Bay Area the amount of money they were going to pay me seemed absurd,” he said. However, the cost of rent and childcare, which cost “more than I paid for my university education in Canada”, has been hard to swallow.

Sam, 40, lives with his wife and three kids in San Jose, earning around $120,000 a year at a multinational software company. “I get paid a very good wage, but I have three kids, childcare is ridiculously expensive so my wife mostly takes care of them,” he said.

He feels pressure being the sole breadwinner. “I’ve got no safety net,” he said. “I have credit cards, but this is not sustainable. If something bad happened I’d be out of the house in a month.”

Glaring inequality Fred Sherburn Zimmer from San Francisco’s Housing Rights Committee agreed that housing is too expensive in the Bay Area, but points out that there are much graver consequences for people not working in tech.

“For a senior whose healthcare is down the street, moving might be a death sentence,” she said. “For an immigrant family with two kids, moving out of a sanctuary city like San Francisco means you could get deported.” She described a building in San Francisco where there are 28 people living in “studio-like closets” in a basement, including a senior and families with children.

During the first dotcom boom we had secretaries commuting three hours into work … It’s happening again A digital marketer in Silicon Valley For their part, many well-paid tech workers complaining about their own predicament say they also sympathize with the plight of people on more ordinary incomes.

“We think a lot about how people with normal jobs afford to live here,” said the Canadian IT specialist. “The answer is: they don’t. They commute from farther and farther afield.”

The digital marketer added: “During the first dotcom boom we had secretaries commuting three hours into work … It’s happening again. It was absurd then and it’s absurd now,” she said, adding that she and her husband both “know what it’s like to be poor”.

Sam, who works at the software company, isn’t optimistic about the future. “The only solution I see is a huge reset and we’ve already done that once in the last decade. It was really painful for a lot of people, including myself,” he said, referring to the dotcom crash in the early 2000s.

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Some tech workers expressed a sense of guilt about their complaints when so many people are worse off, including San Francisco’s desperate homeless population.

“You are literally stepping over people to get to your job to make hundreds of thousands of dollars,” said Michael. “How do you go about your daily life as if it doesn’t matter?”

He suggested venture capitalists should stop investing in “stupid applications” and funnel some money into solving real societal problems like homelessness.

“You are caught in this really uncomfortable position. You feel very guilty seeing such poverty and helplessness,” added Michelle, the 28-year-old on a six-figure wage. “But what are you supposed to do? Not make a lot of money? Not advocate for yourself and then not afford to live here?”

Sam agreed. “The whiny millennial snowflake type would say ‘you’re a terrible person making things worse for us’. The truth is, if I gave up, what would I do? Should I knit sweaters and trade them?”


Poster Comment:

Cause and effect. In the 1960s you could buy a 3 bedroom home for $25,000 in a white neighborhood. Today that will cost $1,000,000. Why? Because the place is flooded wall to wall with legal and illegal aliens.

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#1. To: Horse (#0)

Cause and effect. In the 1960s you could buy a 3 bedroom home for $25,000 in a white neighborhood. Today that will cost $1,000,000. Why? Because the place is flooded wall to wall with legal and illegal aliens.

And why is "the place flooded wall to wall with legal and illegal aliens"?

Because the uber wealthy shithead "We iz da wurld" leftists like Zuckenberg brought them in because they work cheaper than Americans,making an already bad situation worse.

My half-brother lives in San Jose in a block house his father built himself in the 1950's. Yes,you COULD build your own house in the 1950's. He inherited the house when my mother died,and owns it free and clear. He has always owned it free and clear. It was paid for the day it was finished.

About 15 years ago the city of San Jose condemned a bunch of single family houses across the street from him,and put up "part-mint cribs fo de po". White,black,and brown trash live there for free,and crime has shot up through the roof,causing lots of his neighbors to sell out to developers connected to the city that then build McMansions or luxury apartments on the lots they leveled that once had single family homes on them. If I were the suspiscious type,I might even suspect that was why all the "housing fo de po" was built there,and why illegal aliens were invited to move in without fear of arrest. He has been tempted to sell out himself now that all 5 of his children have moved away and have their own lives. You can only imagine the offers he has had on a 1950's sized corner lot with a 5 bedroom house on it. He doesn't want to move,though. Other than his time in the Navy during the VN war,it's the only place he has ever lived.

Yeah,he could build a new place somewhere else and have a ton of money left over,but as a retired airline pilot from a major airline and small business owner whose wife earns over 100 K a year from her retirement income and her new career as a surgical nurse,he doesn't need the money and doesn't want to lose the memories and he doesn't want to move to another city or state and start over again.

Even with his and his wife's combined incomes and the fact neither buys or wears designer anything,neither smoke,drink,or gamble, and they like eating at home and watching tv,they couldn't afford to live there if they weren't "grandfathered" with the Jarvits (I THINK) property tax freeze of the 70's. You can bet your ass if they sell the new owners are going to start getting tax bills from San Jose that will make their noses bleed.

The left coast is heading for a designer world of the super rich,and their serfs. By the time the dust settles,menial and service workers will all live in city or county owned "workers blocks of Socialist Family Housing units" owned by the city,and the leftist elites that run the joint will be the new Czars.

MY bet is once they take over total control of the government that illegals will suddenly no longer be welcome or needed,and trucks full of illegals will be rounded up and headed for the border on a daily basis. Their public housing will be torn down,and the city will sell the lots to people who want to build single family mansions on them. San Jose and other dot.com cities will be "closed" cities just like Moscow was,and new potential residents will have to seek approval to be allowed to live there. Like new resident applications in Soviet Moscow,none will be allowed that are the "wrong" skin tone,or that have obvious permanent physical disabilities. After all,the elites have an image they need to protect.

sneakypete  posted on  2017-02-28   8:10:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: sneakypete (#1)

owned it free and clear

Except for the R.E. taxes he owes the King. (county) ;)

"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke

BTP Holdings  posted on  2017-02-28   8:18:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: BTP Holdings, sneakypete (#2)

U.S. Constitution - Article IV, Section 4: NO BORDERS + NO LAWS = NO COUNTRY

HAPPY2BME-4UM  posted on  2017-02-28   8:40:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: BTP Holdings (#2)

Except for the R.E. taxes he owes the King. (county) ;)

Which are locked in at early 1970's rates,thanks to the law passed back then.

sneakypete  posted on  2017-02-28   14:24:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: sneakypete (#4)

locked in at early 1970s rates.

Are you sure about that? It seems to me that when there is a change in ownership, I.e. name change on deed, that the rates can be adjusted. This only seems logical since the costs of county services continue to rise. Do you know for certain? ;)

"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke

BTP Holdings  posted on  2017-02-28   18:19:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: HAPPY2BME-4UM (#3)

defaulted out of jobs

This is wacky for sure. But even so, I doubt that they could find the right people to fill the spot. They clearly are stacking the deck against the people who live here. ;)

"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke

BTP Holdings  posted on  2017-02-28   18:30:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: BTP Holdings (#5) (Edited)

locked in at early 1970s rates.

Are you sure about that? It seems to me that when there is a change in ownership, I.e. name change on deed, that the rates can be adjusted

Yup. I thought that was clearly implied?

Which is one reason my brother doesn't want to sell. If he sells for the enormous amounts he has been offered and he wants to stay in San Jose,not only is he going to have to pay a outrageous price for a replacement house,but will be hit with property taxes bills based on current rates.

So he really has no incentive to sell,regardless of the amount of money he is offered. He already has a house that is paid for that has a small tax bill,and it even has personal "history" as his father built it himself. Plus he doesn't need the money. He and his wife have a combined 6 figure retirement income,plus he owns and runs his own business now,and his wife is a ER nurse pulling in big bucks from her job. They are not extravagant people,either. He went wild 4 or 5 years ago and traded his 4 cylinder econo-box in on a new Dodge half-ton pu to use with his maintenance and repair business,and I think his wife traded her 78 Fairmont 6 cylinder station wagon that didn't even have AC in and bought a new Altima or Corolla. Both had well over 100k miles on them. I doubt they would have done that if they couldn't have written them off their taxes.

VERY nice people. Both of them.

sneakypete  posted on  2017-02-28   18:41:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: sneakypete (#7)

six figure retirement income plus he owns and runs his own business and his wife is an ER nurse bringing in big bucks

How can they be retired and still be working? ;)

"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke

BTP Holdings  posted on  2017-02-28   19:38:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: BTP Holdings (#8)

How can they be retired and still be working? ;)

Simple. He put in 20+ years as an airline pilot,and retired from that job.

Just like his wife put in 20+ years working for a supermarket chain before she retired and went back to school to become a surgical nurse.

sneakypete  posted on  2017-03-01   5:02:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: sneakypete (#9)

You know that when I work for State of Illinois on highways, I got the truck stuck in the mud. They wrote me up. I opened the door to the engineers office and said, "There was a lot of mud damage on that truck." The engineer hollered, "Get out of here! Get out of my office." I made those bastards crazy. ;)

"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke

BTP Holdings  posted on  2017-03-01   6:04:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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