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Title: Gulags For American Citizens In Final Planning Stages
Source: Prison Planet
URL Source: http://www.prisonplanet.com/article ... 6/010306gulagsforamericans.htm
Published: Mar 1, 2006
Author: Paul Joseph Watson and Alex Jones
Post Date: 2006-03-01 12:41:37 by Zipporah
Keywords: American, Citizens, Planning
Views: 94
Comments: 25

Halliburton sex slave trade criminals prepare camps for political dissidents

Bush administration and US army preparations to target American citizens and intern them in forced labor camps has vastly accelerated in the past month and commentators from all over the political spectrum are sounding the alarm bells that the round-ups may begin soon.

Once the bane of the media's stereotypical 'tin foil hat wearing' caricatures, concentration camps in America are now serious news and no one is laughing.

Following the news first given wide attention by this website, that Halliburton subsidiary Kellogg, Brown and Root had been awarded a $385 million dollar contract by Homeland Security to construct detention and processing facilities in the event of a national emergency, the Alternet website put together an alarming report that collated all the latest information on plans to initiate internment of political subversives and Muslims after the next major terror attack in the US.

The article highlighted the disturbing comments of Sen. Lindsey Graham, who encouraged torture supporting Attorney General Alberto Gonzales to target, "Fifth Columnists" Americans who show disloyalty and sympathize with "the enemy," whoever that enemy may be.

It is important to stress that the historical precedent mirrors exactly what the Halliburton camp deal outlines. Oliver North's Reagan era Rex 84 plan proposed rounding up 400,000 refugees, under FEMA, in the event of "uncontrolled population movements" over the Mexican border into the United States.

The real agenda, just as it is with Halliburton's gulags, was to use the cover of rounding up immigrants and illegal aliens as a smokescreen for targeting political dissidents. From 1967 to 1971 the FBI kept a list of persons to be rounded up as subversive, dubbed the "ADEX" list.

The current terrorist suspect list was recently revealed to contain the names of 325,000 people. The government claimed that only a tiny fraction were American citizens living in America but when compared to the potential terrorist list in the UK, which under section 44 of the terrorism act has ensnared at least 119,000 people, most of them innocent protesters, the number is likely to be far higher. Britain's population is only 60 million compared to the US at 295 million.

Halliburton, through their KBR subsidiary, is the same company that built most of the major new detention camps in Iraq and Afghanistan. KBR have been embroiled in a human sex slave trade that their representatives have lobbied to continue.

We have a company that has been handed a contract to build prison camps in America that is engaged in trafficking young girls and women. Can this horror movie get any more frightening?

A much discussed and circulated report, the Pentagon's Civilian Inmate Labor Program, has recently been updated and the revision details a "template for developing agreements" between the Army and corrections facilities for the use of civilian inmate labor on Army installations."

The plan is clearly to swallow up disenfranchised groups likes prisoners and Muslims at first and then extend the policy to include 'Fifth Columnists,' otherwise known as anyone who disagrees with the government or exercises their Constitutional rights.

Respected author Peter Dale Scott speculated that the "detention centers could be used to detain American citizens if the Bush administration were to declare martial law."

Daniel Ellsberg, former Special Assistant to Assistant Secretary of Defense, called the plan, "preparation for a roundup after the next 9/11 for Mid-Easterners, Muslims and possibly dissenters. They've already done this on a smaller scale, with the 'special registration' detentions of immigrant men from Muslim countries, and with Guantanamo."

George Bush has declared himself to be dictator and to have supreme power over and above the limitations of the US Constitution. Bush administration officials like Alberto Gonzales have declared Bush to be "above the law." White House advisors are openly discussing the legality of crushing a child's testicles as part of the war on terror. Preparation for the internment of thousands of Americans who are 'disloyal' in times of emergency are afoot.

The next step is clearer than it has ever been. One more large scale staged terror attack in America and the result will be martial law. When even famous singers like Morrissey are being detained and questioned by the secret service for "speaking out against the American and British governments," we know we are in a lot of trouble. (2 images)

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#1. To: Zipporah (#0)

I need to see the construction sites of these camps before i can swallow this, though i wouldn't put any atrocity or unconstitutional outrage outside the realm of possibility and desire of the NWO neocons.

fatidic  posted on  2006-03-01   13:04:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: fatidic (#1)

I need to see the construction sites of these camps before i can swallow this, though i wouldn't put any atrocity or unconstitutional outrage outside the realm of possibility and desire of the NWO neocons.

There was an article re KBR getting a contract to build labor camps for citizens..I also posted a PDF from the military on citizen labor camps.

I know where you're coming from I thought this was just alarmism and one more conspiracy theory until I found this:

http://www.supremelaw.org/sls/email/box048/msg04833.htm

Zipporah  posted on  2006-03-01   13:13:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Zipporah, Christine, Diana, All (#0)

Respected author Peter Dale Scott speculated that the "detention centers could be used to detain American citizens if the Bush administration were to declare martial law."

It gets worse.

LOOKY HERE!

Anyone for Dachau-West?


SKYDRIFTER  posted on  2006-03-01   13:27:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: SKYDRIFTER, fatidic (#3)

" It gets worse.

LOOKY HERE!

Anyone for Dachau-West?"

Thanks SKY.. fatidic this is the document I was referring to

Zipporah  posted on  2006-03-01   13:28:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Zipporah (#0)

The current terrorist suspect list was recently revealed to contain the names of 325,000 people.

That link is this recent WashingtonPost article:

325,000 Names on Terrorism List

Rights Groups Say Database May Include Innocent People

By Walter Pincus and Dan Eggen Washington Post Staff Writers
Wednesday, February 15, 2006; Page A01

The National Counterterrorism Center maintains a central repository of 325,000 names of international terrorism suspects or people who allegedly aid them, a number that has more than quadrupled since the fall of 2003, according to counterterrorism officials.

"This and no other is the root from which a tyrant springs; when he first appears he is a protector." ~Plato

robin  posted on  2006-03-01   14:06:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Zipporah (#0)

When the Russians occupied their zone in East Germany, they stuck a lot of Nazis in formerly Nazi concentration camps. The famous actor Heinrich George died in Sachsenhausen. Well, they had it in for him because he had once been a Communist, so they considered him a renegade. This actor, who had had a major role in Metropolis in Weimar days, was one of the stars of Goebbels's last film spectacular, Kolberg.

aristeides  posted on  2006-03-01   14:16:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: aristeides (#6)

When the Russians occupied their zone in East Germany, they stuck a lot of Nazis in formerly Nazi concentration camps. The famous actor Heinrich George died in Sachsenhausen. Well, they had it in for him because he had once been a Communist, so they considered him a renegade. This actor, who had had a major role in Metropolis in Weimar days, was one of the stars of Goebbels's last film spectacular, Kolberg.

Really?? I'll have to do a search to read more on this..

People here just cannot accept that this can happen here.. even in the face of all that is happening around them.

Zipporah  posted on  2006-03-01   14:22:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: aristeides (#6)

After reading about George.. and thinking of where we are today.. if those who are so solidly backing the administration's policies etc..if they realize that one moment they can be in favor the next so out of favor that they have the same outcome as Heinrich George did..

Zipporah  posted on  2006-03-01   14:31:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Zipporah (#8)

Yes, that was the point I was trying to make.

aristeides  posted on  2006-03-01   14:33:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: aristeides (#9)

Yes, that was the point I was trying to make.

Pointing out the obvious I suppose..

The read a bit on FR re the KBR contract on the labor camps.. and not surprisingly immediately brought up Mike Rivero's name.. and dismissed it as so much kookery.

Zipporah  posted on  2006-03-01   14:36:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Zipporah (#0)

Halliburton sex slave trade criminals prepare camps for political dissidents:

Wonder if JimRob's "Farm Tours" operation was a part of this?????!!!!!! (If it is than maybe he is being BLACKMAILED into banning the non Bushbots on FreeRepublic rather than paid as previously thought.)

I really believe now that it is time to HAMMER on gun rights like never before if this is going on. USE 'EM OR LOSE 'EM!!!!

We should go with a NATIONAL STRIKE ON INCOME TAX DAY with THE COMPLETE REPEAL OF GUN CONTROL LOCAL, STATE and FEDERAL as well as ELECTION REFORM as the objective.

You may not think this will work because we are such a small minority. Well I've got news for we're the "minority" that makes what is left of manufacturing and even more importantly in our "global" economy DISTRIBUTION work. Without US the Nikes DON'T get to Wall Mart and the FOOD does not get to the supermarket.

Also consider getting some cap and ball revolvers (modern replica NOT collectable) and replica Sharps carbines for your arsonals. In most so called "red" states and even two "blue" ones (California, Vermont) these still can be had cash 'n' carry and off the record as they DON'T come under the GCA-68. Dixie Gun Works out of Tennessee is a very good place to buy these.

Coral Snake  posted on  2006-03-01   16:56:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: SKYDRIFTER (#3)

It gets worse.

Well then, it looks like this would be a good time for people to get out of debt, make sure they are up on their taxes, and hope for the best.

Diana  posted on  2006-03-01   20:59:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Zipporah (#4)

Thanks for the link, Zip. I didn't read all the pages but it seems we civilans will be in labor camps building, repairing and doing maintance. The list of exclusions of criminal types that are not allowed to work in these army labor camps pretty much means that we're going to be anti-government, First Admendment type patriots incarcerated there. This could be what monkey boy monster means by the "guest worker" program.

This info needs to hit Air America, Lou Dobbs, Keith Oberman, etc.

fatidic  posted on  2006-03-01   22:02:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: Coral Snake (#11)

I really believe now that it is time to HAMMER on gun rights like never before if this is going on. USE 'EM OR LOSE 'EM!!!!

I would like to get a gun but if they're registered the bad boy government knows where to go for confiscations and if we don't regiester our guns we'll probablly be thrown in those civilian labor camps anyway if they're discovered.

fatidic  posted on  2006-03-01   22:09:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: Zipporah (#2)

But i want to know where the camps are being built? I want pictures or this will be just another Area 54 thingy.

fatidic  posted on  2006-03-01   22:11:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: fatidic (#15)

But i want to know where the camps are being built? I want pictures or this will be just another Area 54 thingy.

I have seen pictures .. can't say that they're valid..

Zipporah  posted on  2006-03-01   22:13:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: fatidic (#14)

Here is your answer.

1. Get cap and ball revolvers or rifles (Sharps replica if you want a breechloader.) They can still be had cash 'n' carry and off the record in most states.

2. USE IT if it is registered and modern. If the Neo Cons/Liberals (they are really the same thing) really start building concentration camps that is an ACT OF WAR against the population of America. That is also CONSTITUTIONAL TREASON which sets up their use as MORAL self defense during the commission of a CRIME. For the life of me I will never figure out why even some patriots and Constitutionalists are such SHEEPLE that they will willingly enter a concentration camp rather than asserting MORAL self defense when the state goes to far and sets them up.

Coral Snake  posted on  2006-03-02   19:25:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Coral Snake (#17)

This quote reveals a lot:

'John Brinkerhoff later commented on PBS that, “The United States itself is now for the first time since the War of 1812 a theater of war. That means that we should apply, in my view, the same kind of command structure in the United States that we apply in other theaters of war.”'

Zipporah  posted on  2006-03-02   19:31:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: Zipporah (#18)

'John Brinkerhoff later commented on PBS that, “The United States itself is now for the first time since the War of 1812 a theater of war. That means that we should apply, in my view, the same kind of command structure in the United States that we apply in other theaters of war.”'

This is scary on its face because it doesn't just target the illusive foreign "enemy" but also to u.s. citizens who the WH regime deems as enemies.

We also know that the soldiers would turn against us citizens in a heartbeat as many of them are criminals or turned into criminals who have committed atrocities against civilians who have been demonized by the military/government/MSM.

Coral Snake is right about arming ourselves while se still can, just in case. Better safe than sorry.

fatidic  posted on  2006-03-03   8:45:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: Coral Snake (#17)

Thanks CS. I will look into arming myself, just in case i ever encounter a mountain lion or rabid racoon stalking me, etc.

fatidic  posted on  2006-03-03   8:47:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: fatidic (#19)

This is scary on its face because it doesn't just target the illusive foreign "enemy" but also to u.s. citizens who the WH regime deems as enemies.

We also know that the soldiers would turn against us citizens in a heartbeat as many of them are criminals or turned into criminals who have committed atrocities against civilians who have been demonized by the military/government/MSM.

Coral Snake is right about arming ourselves while se still can, just in case. Better safe than sorry.

I wondered exactly what guise they would use .. then I found this quote.. turn the entire country into a theater of war! No holds barred.. Eliminate the Posse Comatus Act and it's over.. People think that their own military won't turn on them? Just look at history..look at the world surrounding us.. and dont forget the 60s and the national guard at Kent State University..

Zipporah  posted on  2006-03-03   8:59:03 ET  (2 images) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: Zipporah (#21)

Re: fema concentration camps up and running http://p216.ezboard.com/frigorousintuitionfrm10.showMessage? topicID=2858.topic Perhaps this pdf file would interest you:

http://www.ice.gov/graphics/d ro/endgame.pdf

This pdf comes from the website of ICE (Immigration and Customs Enforcement), which has a subgroup called the Detention and Removal Operations (DRO). These guys have been quietly working away throught out the nation, implementing the infrastructure needed to realize Operation Endgame by 2012 or so. Operation Endgame concerns itself with the following mission:

"The DRO strategic plan sets in motion a cohesive enforcement program with a ten-year time horizon that will build the capacity to remove all removable aliens, eliminate the backlog of unexecuted final order removal cases, and realize its vision."

Its vision being:

"DRO VISION “Within ten years, the Detention and Removal Program will be able to meet all of our commitments to and mandates from the President, Congress, and the American people.”"

Whatever that means....My understanding is that the real vision is to detain, process and then deport all "illegal aliens" from this country by 2012 or so. Most people say, "Well, that seems okay. If you do things legally, what is there to worry about?"

I've always believed that the concepts involved with "immigration politics" provide a thin veil for the institutions and instruments of racism within this country.......

Further on, the document states:

"DRO’s success as a core element of the immigration enforcement mission will be realized when the [i]synchronization of its resources and infrastructure result in the immediate and effective removal of each removable alien[/i]." Emphasis mine.

This is where I believe that Operation Endgame ties into your ongoing discussion regarding the implementation of a networked detention camp system.

This pdf file is filled with a bunch of bureaucratese.....As I read through this document quickly, I am interested in the "milestones" that this program expects to achieve within the next 5 years, including:

"Within five years, DRO will implement a national custody management plan and a national transportation management plan to optimize the use of available bed space and increase removal effectiveness."

This will be achieved with the expansion and renovation of the following facilities:

ICE operates eight secure detention facilities called Service Processing Centers (SPCs). They are located in Aguadilla, Puerto Rico; Batavia, New York; El Centro, California; El Paso, Texas; Florence, Arizona; Miami, Florida; Los Fresnos, Texas; and San Pedro, California. The newest SPC, the Buffalo Federal Detention Facility, is unique because in addition to its 300 beds for detained aliens, it has 150 beds for use by the U.S. Marshals Service.

ICE augments its SPC’s with seven contract detention facilities. These facilities are located in Aurora, Colorado; Houston, Texas; Laredo, Texas; Seattle, Washington; Elizabeth, New Jersey; Queens, New York; and San Diego, California. ICE also uses state and local jails on a reimbursable detention day basis and has joint federal facilities with the Bureau of Prisons, the Federal Detention Center in Oakdale, Louisiana, and the contractor owned and operated (with the Bureau of Prisons) criminal alien facility in Eloy, Arizona. [i]In addition, major expansion initiatives are underway at several SPCs’.[/i]

See: HTTP://www.ice.gov/graphics/dro/ http://p216.ezboard.com/frigorousintuitionfrm10.showMessage? topicID=2858.topic

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IT'S NOT WHAT WE KNOW, IT'S WHAT WE DON'T KNOW !!!!

Jack Abramoff and the Endgame of America’s Genocide » The ... He admired the camps for Boer prisoners in South Africa and for the Indians in the ... 7 Responses to “Jack Abramoff and the Endgame of America’s Genocide” ... HTTP://anthropik.com/2006/02/jack-abramoff-and-the-endgame-of-americas-genocide/

Codename ENDGAME: The immigrant detention facilities. Though ENDGAME is a detention program aimed at illegal aliens, ... I think the camps are a terrible, terrible idea, for all the reasons which will become ... http://www.atsnn.com/story/196371. html

America Building Concentration Camps? We urge you to download the PDF document titled "Endgame. ... o]rganization tasked with the building and maintaining of these camps goes by the most ... http://www.yuricareport.com/Civil% 20Rights/TheCampsOfICE.html

"Under this plan for the deployment of Operation Garden Plot, the use of CIDCON- 1 will be mandatory. This direct support of civil disturbance control operations is to be used by the Army, USAF, Navy, and Marine Corp. with an airlift force to be comprised of MAC Organic Airlift Resources, airlift capable aircraft of all other USAF major commands, and all other aerial reconnaissance and Airborne Psychological Operations. This is to include control communications systems, aero medical evacuation, helicopter and Weather Support Systems. If any civil disturbance by a resistance group, religious organization, or other persons considered to be non-conformist takes place, under Appendix 3 to Annex B of Plan 55-2 hereby gives all Federal forces total power over the situation if local and state authorities cannot put down said dissenters. Annex A, section B of Operation Garden Plot defines tax protesters, militia groups, religious cults, and general anti-government dissenters as Disruptive Elements. This calls for the deadly force to be used against any extremist or dissident perpetrating any and all forms of civil disorder." http://www.yuricareport.com/Civil% 20Rights/TheCampsOfICE.html

For truly these once great and mighty people have forgotten the words of warning of their greatest Statesman Thomas Jefferson, and who said, "All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent."

Today in America that silence is deafening.

ICE Deploys Over 700 Law Enforcement Officers to Golf Coast Sept. 8, 2005 WASHINGTON, D.C. – U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) today announced that over the past ten days it has deployed roughly 725 law enforcement and support personnel from around the country to the Gulf Coast as part of the government’s response to Hurricane Katrina.

THE YURICA REPORT * NEWS INTELLIGENCE ANALYSIS* http://www.yuricareport.com/index. html

September 11th and The Bush Administration: Compelling Evidence for Complicity Kent State Associate Professor Walter E. Davis became concerned not only over the president's behavior on the morning of September 11th, but why the terrorist attacks were not prevented. Citing sources and giving links, Davis offers twenty-two points that cry out for accountability. It's time for Americans to face the possibility that the administration and agencies of the U.S. government may have been grossly negligent, or even worse, that there is compelling evidence for complicity. http://www.yuricareport.com/index. html

The mind once expanded by a new idea never returns to its' original size

Itisa1mosttoolate  posted on  2006-03-03   9:03:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: Itisa1mosttoolate (#22)

Thanks.. I think.. :(

Read this from Congressman Jim McDermott:

http://www.house.gov/mcdermott/sp030311.shtml

Speeches

MARTIAL LAW CONCERNS House of Representatives - March 11, 2003

Madam Speaker, I come to the House floor tonight to talk about an issue which I think is of grave concern to this country.

I recently read an article published in the Sydney, Australia, Morning Herald entitled ``Foundations Are in Place for Martial Law in the United States.''

The author is a man named Ritt Goldstein, an investigative reporter for the Herald, and he said that recent pronouncements from the Bush administration and national security initiatives put in place in the Reagan era could see internment camps and martial law in the United States.

When President Ronald Reagan was considering invading Nicaragua, he issued a series of executive orders which provided FEMA with broad powers in the event of a crisis, such as the violent and widespread internal dissent or national opposition against a U.S. military invasion abroad. They were never used.

But with the looming possibility of a U.S. invasion of Iraq, recent pronouncements by President Bush's domestic security chief, Tom Ridge, and an official with the Civil Rights Commission should fire concerns that these powers could be employed or a de facto drift into their deployment in the future.

On the 20th of July, the Detroit Free Press ran a story entitled ``Arabs in U.S. Could Be Held, Official Warns.'' The story referred to a member of the Civil Rights Commission who foresaw the possibility of internment camps for Arab Americans. FEMA has practiced for such an occasion.

FEMA, whose main role is disaster response, is also responsible for handling U.S. domestic unrest.

From 1982 to 1984, Colonel Oliver North assisted FEMA in drafting its civil defense preparations. Details of those plans emerged during the 1987 Iran-Contra scandal. They included executive orders providing for suspension of the Constitution, the imposition of martial law, internment camps, and the turning over of government to the President and FEMA.

A Miami Herald article on the 5th of July, 1987, reported that the former FEMA director's, Louis Guiffrida's, deputy, John Brinkerhoff, handled the martial law portion of the planning. The planning was said to be similar to one Mr. Guiffrida had developed earlier to combat a national uprising by black militants. It provided for the detention of at least 21 million American Negroes in assembly centers or relocation camps. Today, Mr. Brinkerhoff is with the highly influential Anser Institute for Homeland Security. Following a request by the Pentagon in January that the U.S. military be allowed the option of deploying troops on American streets, the institute in February published a paper by Mr. Brinkerhoff arguing the legality of this. He alleged that the Posse Comitatus Act of 1878, which has long been accepted as prohibiting such deployments, had simply been misunderstood and misapplied. The preface to the article also provided the revelation that the national plan he had worked on under Mr. Guiffrida was approved by Reagan and actions were taken to implement it.

By April, the U.S. military had created a Northern Command to aid homeland security. Reuters reported that the command is mainly expected to play a supporting role to local authorities. However, Mr. Ridge, the Director of Homeland Security, has just advocated a review of U.S. law regarding the use of military for law enforcement duties.

Disturbingly, and it just really should disturb people, the full facts and contents of Mr. Reagan's national plan remain uncertain. This is in part because President Bush took the unusual step of sealing the Reagan Presidential papers last November. However, many of the key figures of the Reagan era are part of the present administration, including John Poindexter, to whom Oliver North later reported.

At the time of the Reagan initiatives, the then-Attorney General, William French Smith, a Republican, wrote to the National Security Adviser, Robert McFarlane: ``I believe that the role assigned to the Federal Emergency Management Agency in the revised executive order exceeds its proper function as a coordinating agency for emergency preparedness. This department and others have repeatedly raised serious policy and legal objections to an emergency czar role for FEMA.''

Criticism of the Bush administration's response to September 11 echoes Mr. Smith's warning. On June 7 of last year, the former Presidential counsel, John Dean, spoke of America sliding into a, quote, ``constitutional dictatorship,'' close quote, and martial law.

The reason I raise this issue is that I come from a State where in 1941 under executive order by the President, 9661, we rounded up all the Japanese Americans in this country and put them in concentration camps. We have set in place the mechanism to do that again and we must not, we cannot sacrifice the Constitution in this rush to war that we are doing in Iraq.

Zipporah  posted on  2006-03-03   9:14:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: Zipporah (#21)

Thanks for the disturbing info though it makes my head feel like its going to explode. We who know the depths of human depravity (thus the absolute need for a Savior) should have NO trouble accepting that the military will turn against patriot citizens in a heart beat. Just how many of them have so far refused to kill innocent Iraqis, even those who deeply believe the war against them is immoral and without justification?

fatidic  posted on  2006-03-03   9:34:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: fatidic (#24)

I do remember one that was in the news sometime ago.. But remember these are people that STILL believe that Saddam had weapons of mass destruction and that they're fighting for OUR freedom?? 24/7 being bombarded with propaganda .. this country is in deep trouble..

Zipporah  posted on  2006-03-03   9:40:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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