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Title: Wither Google/AlltheWeb hits on F4um Metzinger thread???
Source: Starwind
URL Source: http://N/A
Published: Mar 1, 2006
Author: Starwind
Post Date: 2006-03-01 12:56:07 by Starwind
Keywords: Google/AlltheWeb, Metzinger, thread???
Views: 1741
Comments: 67

It would seem that this Freedom4um posted thread here:

(Dallas) Police Deny Excessive Force In Bloody Arrest (black cop, white girl)

Has been scrubbed/filtered out of major search engines.

Up until a 1-2 weeks ago, it appeared in the 1st 2 or 3 pages of hits on a Google search:

[Google] "Michelle Metzinger" OR "Ceaphus Gordon"

but now it is does not appear.

Further, if one refines the search to:

[Google] site:www.freedom4um.com "Michelle Metzinger"

it still does not appear.

However a search for

[Google] site:www.freedom4um.com "Michelle"

brings up 197 hits specific to Freedom4um, mostly about Michelle Malkin, but none about Michelle Metzinger.

I have tried freedom4um site-specific searches for "Dallas", "Ceaphus", "Deep Ellum", "Rick Watkins" and "250-pound guy" and *none* of those searches yields a hit.

Further still, similar searches on "All the Web" yield the same results:

[All the Web] "Michelle Metzinger" OR "Ceaphus Gordon"

brings up 250 hits, but the only Freedom4um hit is to the "Latest Articles: Dead Constitution" page which is now an obsolete reference and:

11 - 20 of 250 Results for "Michelle Metzinger" OR "Ceaphus Gordon"

Freedom4um.com
... Dubose A witness captured the officer restraining Michelle Metzinger. click to watch The Dallas police ... that occurred between Officer Ceaphus Gordon and Michelle Metzinger, a 25-year ...
more hits from: http://216.133.76.156/cgi-bin/latestarticles.cgi?cn=113 - 29 KB

51 - 59 of 250 Results for "Michelle Metzinger" OR "Ceaphus Gordon"

Derby scuffle officer has internal affairs history
... scuffle that occurred between Officer Ceaphus Gordon and Michelle Metzinger, a 25-year-old ... concrete after the scuffle between Dallas Officer Ceaphus Gordon and Michelle Metzinger ... more hits from: http://www.freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=18092 - 35 KB

All the Web also has a site specific search, but such a search

[All the Web] SITE:www.freedom4um.com "Michelle Metzinger" OR "Ceaphus Gordon"

yields 68 hits (mostly to sites in addition to freedom4um.com because All the Web's site-specific search is inclusive, but not limited) and the only Freedom4um hits found again are the same two:

21 - 30 of 68 Results for SITE:www.freedom4um.com "Michelle Metzinger" OR

Freedom4um.com
Freedom4um
more hits from: http://216.133.76.156/cgi-bin/latestarticles.cgi?cn=113 - 29 KB

31 - 40 of 68 Results for SITE:www.freedom4um.com "Michelle Metzinger" OR

4um: Derby scuffle officer has internal affairs history
Freedom4um ... occurred between Officer Ceaphus Gordon and Michelle Metzinger, a 25 ... between Dallas Officer Ceaphus Gordon and Michelle Metzinger ... questions and comments to webmaster@freedom4um.com ...
more hits from: http://www.freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=18092 - 35 KB

Google and All the Web both produce numerous hits for numerous websites (news, forums, blogs, etc) discussing Michelle Metzinger, but it would seem the particular thread on Freedom4um wherein we dissected the evidence seems to be the only web-hit of which I'm aware that is no longer served up by these two serach engines.

One wonders why.

I can't imagine a mistake or bug that affects both Google and Yahoo (All the Web), that precludes only one particular thread that still exists and has continuously existed, when numerous other hits on other sites for the exact same subject matter are still produced.

I may be wrong, but I can't imagine any motivation for Ms. Metzinger's legal team to ask these two search engines to remove this specific find, though I can imagine why the City of Dallas or Officer Gordon's legal team might rather this thread not gain further noteriety. But I still have difficulty believing that Google or Yahoo would actually cooperate in excluding this particular hit from search results and I don't see a compelling legal argument that would pass muster to persuade a court to issue an injunction against Google or Yahoo.

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#1. To: All, ruthie, Jethro Tull, BTP Holdings, Christine, Zipporah, Neil McIver (#0)

Ruthie, does Michelle's legal team know about this?

Neil, can you imagine any F4um software changes (robot.txt??) that would drop the thread from view by crawlers?

Starwind  posted on  2006-03-01   12:59:04 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Neil, can you imagine any F4um software changes (robot.txt??) that would drop the thread from view by crawlers?

Peculiar indeed! To anwer the question, no, there are no changes made with regard to indexing. I did recently add a blank robots.txt file to keep the error log from filling with useless warnings about it not being found by the spiders, but a blank robots file is the same as an empty one.

Other notes:

The site in indexable via "www.freedom4um.com", "freedom4um.com" and/or "216.133.76.156", but google searched with those names come up dry as well.

I've played around with the searches but was also unable to find the articles posted immediately before and after the Metzinger article. I did a similar search as you described, but looked instead for "Artnum=xxxx" where "xxxx" is the number appearing in the URL. I.e. searching on "site:freedom4um.com: Artnum=17934" should turn up the article on Metzinger.

I've not been able to have google return any hits on any articles above 10482 or so, though there are apparently "holes" in their search records with preceeding articles, so maybe there are articles indexed since that time. 4um now has over 20,000 articles (this one is 20598), but if you say it was indexed until recently, then in my best estimation, the only thing that could have changed is Google itself.

I did succussfully locate the source of 4um's article on Metzinger on google: "site:nbc5i.com Metzinger", so it seems it's not the article itself or "Metzinger" that has been purged.

This is sufficient to make me paranoid against google. Maybe they have more to be concerned about in turning over their search records to DHS than the privacy of their users...

Neil McIver  posted on  2006-03-01   14:13:49 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

I've not been able to have google return any hits on any articles above 10482 or so, though there are apparently "holes" in their search records with preceeding articles, so maybe there are articles indexed since that time. 4um now has over 20,000 articles (this one is 20598), but if you say it was indexed until recently, then in my best estimation, the only thing that could have changed is Google itself.

Well, I didn't closely check what date or version was the indexed Michelle thread as I assumed I knew what the hit was.

However, upon further testing, t'would seem Google stopped indexing Freedom4um as of September of 2005, judging by the hits on the Market Wrapup threads (which are posted every weekday evening):

[Google search] site:www. freedom4um.com "Market WrapUp (01" "06)"

produced no hits, and

[Google search] site:www. freedom4um.com "Market WrapUp (09" "05)"

producted no hits, whereas:

[Google search] site:www.freedom4um.com "Market WrapUp (08" "05) " produced some 15,300 hits, the '08-10-05' wrapup thread being ArtNum=10040

It would seem Google stopped indexing Freedom4um altogether last year, not just the Metzinger thread.

Ruthie, note this does not (at this point anyhow) appear to be an issue specific to Michelle, but something involving the forum itself.

Starwind  posted on  2006-03-01   16:21:20 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

... but I know the "(Dallas) Police Deny Excessive Force In Bloody Arrest (black cop, white girl)" thread appeared in Google searches and it was posted "Post Date: 2006-01-16 20:18:09 by BTP Holdings"

So, maybe Google is having some problems with its server farm? Maybe the servers wherein the indexes for this thread and other freedom4um threads are kept are unavailable/offline temporarily?

I have noticed some other odd behavior in Google searches I've done recently on entirely innocuous subjects.

Starwind  posted on  2006-03-01   16:28:13 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Artnum= site:freedom4um.com yields about 2400 hits, not 20k.

I have no idea if that's normal behavior or not, but I suspect it is.

Tauzero  posted on  2006-03-01   16:48:05 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Artnum= site:freedom4um.com yields about 2400 hits, not 20k.

about 23,500 from site:www.freedom4um.com for "ArtNum=".

The domain prefix 'www' is important in how Google indexes and searches sites. It wasn't always so... it used to be smarter (IRC) one of those oddities of which I spoke.

Starwind  posted on  2006-03-01   17:07:41 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

#22. To: Starwind (#21)

When did tos4truth expire?

Tauzero  posted on  2006-03-01 17:23:23 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

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