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Title: Wither Google/AlltheWeb hits on F4um Metzinger thread???
Source: Starwind
URL Source: http://N/A
Published: Mar 1, 2006
Author: Starwind
Post Date: 2006-03-01 12:56:07 by Starwind
Keywords: Google/AlltheWeb, Metzinger, thread???
Views: 1748
Comments: 67

It would seem that this Freedom4um posted thread here:

(Dallas) Police Deny Excessive Force In Bloody Arrest (black cop, white girl)

Has been scrubbed/filtered out of major search engines.

Up until a 1-2 weeks ago, it appeared in the 1st 2 or 3 pages of hits on a Google search:

[Google] "Michelle Metzinger" OR "Ceaphus Gordon"

but now it is does not appear.

Further, if one refines the search to:

[Google] site:www.freedom4um.com "Michelle Metzinger"

it still does not appear.

However a search for

[Google] site:www.freedom4um.com "Michelle"

brings up 197 hits specific to Freedom4um, mostly about Michelle Malkin, but none about Michelle Metzinger.

I have tried freedom4um site-specific searches for "Dallas", "Ceaphus", "Deep Ellum", "Rick Watkins" and "250-pound guy" and *none* of those searches yields a hit.

Further still, similar searches on "All the Web" yield the same results:

[All the Web] "Michelle Metzinger" OR "Ceaphus Gordon"

brings up 250 hits, but the only Freedom4um hit is to the "Latest Articles: Dead Constitution" page which is now an obsolete reference and:

11 - 20 of 250 Results for "Michelle Metzinger" OR "Ceaphus Gordon"

Freedom4um.com
... Dubose A witness captured the officer restraining Michelle Metzinger. click to watch The Dallas police ... that occurred between Officer Ceaphus Gordon and Michelle Metzinger, a 25-year ...
more hits from: http://216.133.76.156/cgi-bin/latestarticles.cgi?cn=113 - 29 KB

51 - 59 of 250 Results for "Michelle Metzinger" OR "Ceaphus Gordon"

Derby scuffle officer has internal affairs history
... scuffle that occurred between Officer Ceaphus Gordon and Michelle Metzinger, a 25-year-old ... concrete after the scuffle between Dallas Officer Ceaphus Gordon and Michelle Metzinger ... more hits from: http://www.freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=18092 - 35 KB

All the Web also has a site specific search, but such a search

[All the Web] SITE:www.freedom4um.com "Michelle Metzinger" OR "Ceaphus Gordon"

yields 68 hits (mostly to sites in addition to freedom4um.com because All the Web's site-specific search is inclusive, but not limited) and the only Freedom4um hits found again are the same two:

21 - 30 of 68 Results for SITE:www.freedom4um.com "Michelle Metzinger" OR

Freedom4um.com
Freedom4um
more hits from: http://216.133.76.156/cgi-bin/latestarticles.cgi?cn=113 - 29 KB

31 - 40 of 68 Results for SITE:www.freedom4um.com "Michelle Metzinger" OR

4um: Derby scuffle officer has internal affairs history
Freedom4um ... occurred between Officer Ceaphus Gordon and Michelle Metzinger, a 25 ... between Dallas Officer Ceaphus Gordon and Michelle Metzinger ... questions and comments to webmaster@freedom4um.com ...
more hits from: http://www.freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=18092 - 35 KB

Google and All the Web both produce numerous hits for numerous websites (news, forums, blogs, etc) discussing Michelle Metzinger, but it would seem the particular thread on Freedom4um wherein we dissected the evidence seems to be the only web-hit of which I'm aware that is no longer served up by these two serach engines.

One wonders why.

I can't imagine a mistake or bug that affects both Google and Yahoo (All the Web), that precludes only one particular thread that still exists and has continuously existed, when numerous other hits on other sites for the exact same subject matter are still produced.

I may be wrong, but I can't imagine any motivation for Ms. Metzinger's legal team to ask these two search engines to remove this specific find, though I can imagine why the City of Dallas or Officer Gordon's legal team might rather this thread not gain further noteriety. But I still have difficulty believing that Google or Yahoo would actually cooperate in excluding this particular hit from search results and I don't see a compelling legal argument that would pass muster to persuade a court to issue an injunction against Google or Yahoo.

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#2. To: Starwind, Jethro Tull, ALL (#0)

One wonders why

I may be wrong, but I can't imagine any motivation for Ms. Metzinger's legal team to ask these two search engines to remove this specific find, though I can imagine why the City of Dallas or Officer Gordon's legal team might rather this thread not gain further noteriety. But I still have difficulty believing that Google or Yahoo would actually cooperate in excluding this particular hit from search results and I don't see a compelling legal argument that would pass muster to persuade a court to issue an injunction against Google or Yahoo.

This is very strange Starwind.. Hmm maybe not Metzinger's legal team but rather the opposing side?

Zipporah  posted on  2006-03-01   13:00:56 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Hmm maybe not Metzinger's legal team but rather the opposing side?

I would assume Michelle's opposition, yes, but I still can't imagine Google or Yahoo voluntarily cooperating, nor can I imagine a court ordering (assuming say a gag order) this specific thread being suppressed from a search, without an additional demand to F4um to pull the thread, but even so a gag order affects the litigants, not the public's free discussion... so we're back to why would Google, et al cooperate?

And unless Neil finds something at F4um about the specific thread (that would direct crawlers to ignore it), I can't imagine what kind of bug would cause this, all of a sudden, to disappear from searches that used to find it.

Neil, maybe robot.txt got hacked?

Starwind  posted on  2006-03-01   13:34:55 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

how strange is this? and, of course, this makes me wonder again just who *that poster* really was.

christine  posted on  2006-03-01   14:13:16 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

how strange is this? and, of course, this makes me wonder again just who *that poster* really was.

Yes, who brought this to google's attention?

robin  posted on  2006-03-01   14:24:58 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Yes, who brought this to google's attention?

Assuming google is censoring here, it doesn't mean that anyone specifically reported 4um to googel and said "remove this page from your index". It's possible (I'd guess likely) that given an outright political censorship scenario on this particular case (assuming), google probably ran a general scan on their index for pages that contained her name along with certain words (inflamatory, perhaps), and removed any that turned up positive. That would be far more efficient, perhaps. That would explain why the original source article is still indexed on the news site and not 4um's page.

It doesn't mean they don't hand censor. It may well have been. It just doesn't have to be that way. I should mention that if it was active censorship AND they do have an automated system for censoring, it would strongly suggest a the practice is not unique to Metzinger's case.

If.

Neil McIver  posted on  2006-03-01   18:51:16 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Your theory could be proved perhaps by running the same check against LibertyForum or someother blog with a good chance of inflammatory titles and references to what happened to her.

I doubt if google does anything manually, but they must have some database of phrases/words (with context) that is being created. And, those phrases/words must be entered by someone at least once, I imagine.

robin  posted on  2006-03-01   18:59:11 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

#31. To: robin (#28)

Your theory could be proved perhaps by running the same check against LibertyForum or someother blog with a good chance of inflammatory titles and references to what happened to her.

Exactly. Do a search on Metzinger and see if other discussion forums come up, or if all hits are news-only sites.

I doubt if google does anything manually, but they must have some database of phrases/words (with context) that is being created. And, those phrases/words must be entered by someone at least once, I imagine.

Again, yes. That second DB wouldn't necessarily have to be a permanent type thing, though. But *if* there is some politically machined censorship here, then it would require special hand work somewhere along the line. Absolutely.

Neil McIver  posted on  2006-03-01 19:16:47 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

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