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Title: Wither Google/AlltheWeb hits on F4um Metzinger thread???
Source: Starwind
URL Source: http://N/A
Published: Mar 1, 2006
Author: Starwind
Post Date: 2006-03-01 12:56:07 by Starwind
Keywords: Google/AlltheWeb, Metzinger, thread???
Views: 2442
Comments: 67

It would seem that this Freedom4um posted thread here:

(Dallas) Police Deny Excessive Force In Bloody Arrest (black cop, white girl)

Has been scrubbed/filtered out of major search engines.

Up until a 1-2 weeks ago, it appeared in the 1st 2 or 3 pages of hits on a Google search:

[Google] "Michelle Metzinger" OR "Ceaphus Gordon"

but now it is does not appear.

Further, if one refines the search to:

[Google] site:www.freedom4um.com "Michelle Metzinger"

it still does not appear.

However a search for

[Google] site:www.freedom4um.com "Michelle"

brings up 197 hits specific to Freedom4um, mostly about Michelle Malkin, but none about Michelle Metzinger.

I have tried freedom4um site-specific searches for "Dallas", "Ceaphus", "Deep Ellum", "Rick Watkins" and "250-pound guy" and *none* of those searches yields a hit.

Further still, similar searches on "All the Web" yield the same results:

[All the Web] "Michelle Metzinger" OR "Ceaphus Gordon"

brings up 250 hits, but the only Freedom4um hit is to the "Latest Articles: Dead Constitution" page which is now an obsolete reference and:

11 - 20 of 250 Results for "Michelle Metzinger" OR "Ceaphus Gordon"

Freedom4um.com
... Dubose A witness captured the officer restraining Michelle Metzinger. click to watch The Dallas police ... that occurred between Officer Ceaphus Gordon and Michelle Metzinger, a 25-year ...
more hits from: http://216.133.76.156/cgi-bin/latestarticles.cgi?cn=113 - 29 KB

51 - 59 of 250 Results for "Michelle Metzinger" OR "Ceaphus Gordon"

Derby scuffle officer has internal affairs history
... scuffle that occurred between Officer Ceaphus Gordon and Michelle Metzinger, a 25-year-old ... concrete after the scuffle between Dallas Officer Ceaphus Gordon and Michelle Metzinger ... more hits from: http://www.freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=18092 - 35 KB

All the Web also has a site specific search, but such a search

[All the Web] SITE:www.freedom4um.com "Michelle Metzinger" OR "Ceaphus Gordon"

yields 68 hits (mostly to sites in addition to freedom4um.com because All the Web's site-specific search is inclusive, but not limited) and the only Freedom4um hits found again are the same two:

21 - 30 of 68 Results for SITE:www.freedom4um.com "Michelle Metzinger" OR

Freedom4um.com
Freedom4um
more hits from: http://216.133.76.156/cgi-bin/latestarticles.cgi?cn=113 - 29 KB

31 - 40 of 68 Results for SITE:www.freedom4um.com "Michelle Metzinger" OR

4um: Derby scuffle officer has internal affairs history
Freedom4um ... occurred between Officer Ceaphus Gordon and Michelle Metzinger, a 25 ... between Dallas Officer Ceaphus Gordon and Michelle Metzinger ... questions and comments to webmaster@freedom4um.com ...
more hits from: http://www.freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=18092 - 35 KB

Google and All the Web both produce numerous hits for numerous websites (news, forums, blogs, etc) discussing Michelle Metzinger, but it would seem the particular thread on Freedom4um wherein we dissected the evidence seems to be the only web-hit of which I'm aware that is no longer served up by these two serach engines.

One wonders why.

I can't imagine a mistake or bug that affects both Google and Yahoo (All the Web), that precludes only one particular thread that still exists and has continuously existed, when numerous other hits on other sites for the exact same subject matter are still produced.

I may be wrong, but I can't imagine any motivation for Ms. Metzinger's legal team to ask these two search engines to remove this specific find, though I can imagine why the City of Dallas or Officer Gordon's legal team might rather this thread not gain further noteriety. But I still have difficulty believing that Google or Yahoo would actually cooperate in excluding this particular hit from search results and I don't see a compelling legal argument that would pass muster to persuade a court to issue an injunction against Google or Yahoo.

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#1. To: All, ruthie, Jethro Tull, BTP Holdings, Christine, Zipporah, Neil McIver (#0)

Ruthie, does Michelle's legal team know about this?

Neil, can you imagine any F4um software changes (robot.txt??) that would drop the thread from view by crawlers?

Starwind  posted on  2006-03-01   12:59:04 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Neil, can you imagine any F4um software changes (robot.txt??) that would drop the thread from view by crawlers?

Peculiar indeed! To anwer the question, no, there are no changes made with regard to indexing. I did recently add a blank robots.txt file to keep the error log from filling with useless warnings about it not being found by the spiders, but a blank robots file is the same as an empty one.

Other notes:

The site in indexable via "www.freedom4um.com", "freedom4um.com" and/or "216.133.76.156", but google searched with those names come up dry as well.

I've played around with the searches but was also unable to find the articles posted immediately before and after the Metzinger article. I did a similar search as you described, but looked instead for "Artnum=xxxx" where "xxxx" is the number appearing in the URL. I.e. searching on "site:freedom4um.com: Artnum=17934" should turn up the article on Metzinger.

I've not been able to have google return any hits on any articles above 10482 or so, though there are apparently "holes" in their search records with preceeding articles, so maybe there are articles indexed since that time. 4um now has over 20,000 articles (this one is 20598), but if you say it was indexed until recently, then in my best estimation, the only thing that could have changed is Google itself.

I did succussfully locate the source of 4um's article on Metzinger on google: "site:nbc5i.com Metzinger", so it seems it's not the article itself or "Metzinger" that has been purged.

This is sufficient to make me paranoid against google. Maybe they have more to be concerned about in turning over their search records to DHS than the privacy of their users...

Neil McIver  posted on  2006-03-01   14:13:49 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

I did recently add a blank robots.txt file to keep the error log from filling with useless warnings about it not being found by the spiders, but a blank robots file is the same as an empty one.

Can you tell us when (date) this change was made?

Perhaps a blank robot.txt file is *not* handled by Google or Yahoo as it ought to be?

I'd like (or perhaps you might) check for Google or All the Web searches on threads posted after the date robot.txt was changed? See if any thing shows up?

Perhaps a "not quite blank" robot.txt file would be better, something that perhaps directs crawlers to ignore a directory that doesn't exist?

Starwind  posted on  2006-03-01   14:38:36 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Can you tell us when (date) this change was made?

The file is dated Feb 18, so that's when it was.

Perhaps a blank robot.txt file is *not* handled by Google or Yahoo as it ought to be?

Very doubtful that their engine is not conformed to standards. I checked when I installed it to ensure a blank file is interpreted as an open door (treated the same as no robots file existing) and a net source confirmed that to me. Never hurts to double check though.

I'd like (or perhaps you might) check for Google or All the Web searches on threads posted after the date robot.txt was changed? See if any thing shows up?

I would expect some time delay for new postings to be indexed.

Perhaps a "not quite blank" robot.txt file would be better, something that perhaps directs crawlers to ignore a directory that doesn't exist?

I didn't put it in to make it ignore anything. I only put it in to prevent the apache server from logging an error everytime it's requested, as it accounted for a fair portion of those error entries.

Neil McIver  posted on  2006-03-01   18:28:36 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

The file is dated Feb 18, so that's when it was.

Ok, but no Google hits for
site:www.freedom4um.com
"Market WrapUp (02-08-06)" thru "Market WrapUp (02-15-06)"

So, it would seem to not be related to the robots.txt change, and regardless that would seem to be an innocuous and valid change.

Can you tell from the robots.txt warnings when was the last time Google crawled the forum?

Starwind  posted on  2006-03-01   18:40:32 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Can you tell from the robots.txt warnings when was the last time Google crawled the forum?

It's done constantly. 2500 times so far today (since 4 AM), the last one within the last 12 minutes.

I don't think google is to blame for this, but it just so happens that the last time the forum went down due to the error long being spammed 5000 times per second by apache complaining that mysql was unreachable, the IP that was tied to that error was google's. That was on the 15th and part of the fallout from that was my creation of the robots file to reduce the error log size.

That error was associated with PostLiberty, not 4um.

Neil McIver  posted on  2006-03-01   19:12:07 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

It's done constantly. 2500 times so far today (since 4 AM), the last one within the last 12 minutes.

OMG!

They're watching us!!! And hiding the evidence. They're really just a mirror for

Carnivore

Starwind  posted on  2006-03-01   19:16:44 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Carnivore

I think carnivore was originally billed as a passive scanner that sits on an ISP and watches all traffic that passes through a pipe leading to a particlular live user, not an active search device for web sites.

But that was a long time ago, and Big Brother isn't in the habit of talking about the latest spy techniques.

Still, you shouldn't underestimate the resources available to a mega corp with shares valued in the $300-$500 range. They certainly have a nice army of computers.

Neil McIver  posted on  2006-03-01   19:26:16 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

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