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Title: Same As Bush and Liberty Post
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Published: May 16, 2017
Author: Me
Post Date: 2017-05-16 18:18:35 by bush_is_a_moonie
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What I see here on Freedom4um with respect to Trump is the same thing I saw on Liberty Post about Bush. No matter what Bush did, the LP Bots just wouldn't accept that they had be tricked and brainwashed. The following explains why those who are obsessed with being "conservative" have been so easily fooled by those like Trump and the neocons. New research that found that when so-called conservatives were exposed to evidence demonstrating the falsity of a partisan belief – such as a report demonstrating that Iraq didn’t have WMD, or that lowering taxes doesn’t increase government revenue – they became more convinced than ever that those beliefs were actually true. The scientists call this “the backfire effect”. The researchers argue that these types of conservatives are particularly vulnerable to this cognitive flaw, as their beliefs tend to be more rigid and immutable. This is a deeply human trait. One of the first scientists to really study this was Leon Festinger, a social psychologist at the University of Minnesota. In the summer of 1954, Festinger was reading the morning newspaper when he encountered a short article about Marion Keech, a housewife in suburban Minneapolis who was convinced that the apocalypse was coming. Keech had started getting messages from aliens a few years before, but now the messages were getting eerily specific. According to Sananda, an extra-terrestrial from the planet Clarion who was in regular contact with Keech, human civilization would be destroyed by a massive flood at midnight on December 20, 1954. Keech’s sci-fi prophecy soon gained a small band of followers. They trusted her divinations, and marked the date of Armageddon on their calendars. Many of them quit their jobs and sold their homes. The cultists didn’t bother buying Christmas presents or making arrangements for New Years Eve, since nothing would exist by then. Festinger immediately realized that Keech would make a great research subject. He decided to infiltrate the group by pretending to be a true believer. What Festinger wanted to study was the reaction of the cultist on December 21, when the world wasn’t destroyed and no spaceship appeared. Would Keech recant? What would happen when her prophesy failed? On the night of December 20, Keech’s followers gathered in her home and waited for instructions from the aliens. Midnight inexorably approached. When the clock read 12:01 and there were still no aliens, the cultists began to worry. A few began to cry. The aliens had let them down. But then Keech received a new telegram from outer space, which she quickly transcribed on her notepad. “This little group sitting all night long had spread so much light,” the aliens told her, “that god saved the world from destruction. Not since the beginning of time upon this Earth has there been such a force of Good and light as now floods this room.” It was their stubborn faith that had prevented the apocalypse. Although Keech’s predictions had been falsified, the group was now more convinced than ever that the aliens were real. They began proselytizing to others, sending out press releases and recruiting new believers. This is how they reacted to the dissonance of being wrong: by being more sure than ever that they were right. In other words, those members of the alien cult were just like conservatives learning that Iraq didn’t have WMD. They were so committed to their beliefs – they had so much invested in the idea that the world would end, or that Saddam had chemical weapons – that dissonant facts made them double-down. It would be too painful to be wrong, and so they convinced themselves that they were right. The Study
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#1. To: bush_is_a_moonie (#0)
I wouldn't generalize so broadly if I were you. There are many here who oppose Trump schmoozing with the neocon war mongers, yet support him when attacked on BS like "Russian interference with the election", where it was most likely Seth Rich who leaked those DNC emails. It could all be a big circus for the masses, who knows. I'm not talking about the election. This past election was a waste of time. Neither candidate worth an ounce of piss nor the time to vote for.
The nomination and confirmation of Supreme Court Justice Gorsuch has rendered your argument moot.
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination 
#2. To: FormerLurker (#1)
#3. To: bush_is_a_moonie (#2)
(Edited)
Neither candidate worth an ounce of piss nor the time to vote for.
-Alex Kurtagic
#4. To: X-15 (#3)
Obviously, you know nothing about his decisions over the years.
#5. To: bush_is_a_moonie (#0)
I don't see President Trump going after OUR weapons. Get a grip on yourself.... It’s one thing to support gun control. It’s another to make it the centerpiece of a floundering presidential primary campaign. But Hillary Clinton wasn’t finished when she latched onto the idea of opposing the NRA as a means of diverting the nation from the humiliating scandals and poll results plaguing her own bid to succeed Barack Obama. First, she announced to her wealthy supporters that “the Supreme Court is wrong on the Second Amendment,” which demonstrates her opposition to the individual right to keep and bear firearms, including handguns, for self-defense. Now, however, she’s gone even further and echoed President Obama’s references to Australian and British style gun control. “The Australian example,” she said, “that was a buyback program.” She went on to explain that the Australian government “offered a good price” for “buying hundreds of thousands of guns, and then they basically clamped down going forward … .” They were thus able, she explained, “to curtail the supply” of guns and “to set a different standard for gun purchases in the future.” Today, at a town hall meeting in Keene, New Hampshire, Clinton was questioned by an audience member who noted that Australia “managed to … take away … millions of handguns, and in one year, they were all gone.” He then asked her, “Can we do that?” She immediately responded that not just Australia but also the U.K. is “a good example” of a country responding to a “mass killing.” “The Australian example,” she said, “that was a buyback program.” She went on to explain that the Australian government “offered a good price” for “buying hundreds of thousands of guns, and then they basically clamped down going forward … .” They were thus able, she explained, “to curtail the supply” of guns and “to set a different standard for gun purchases in the future.” Here in America, she went on, “I think it would be worth considering doing it on the national level if that could be arranged.” She compared the Australian and U.K. regimes to local gun “buybacks” and to Obama’s own “cash for clunkers” program, in which Americans were offered tax credits for trading older, gas-guzzling vehicles for newer, fuel-efficient models. “So I think that’s worth considering,” Clinton said. “I don’t know enough details to tell you … how we would do it or how it would work, but certainly the Australian example is worth looking at.” The more details you know about Australia and Great Britain, however, the more extreme Hillary’s views become. http://www.nraila.org/articles/2...ia-style-gun-confiscation
-Alex Kurtagic
#6. To: bush_is_a_moonie (#4)
President Trump has not uttered ONE WORD about confiscating our weapons. To the contrary, he supports The People being able to carry a concealed pistol in ALL fifty states. Tell me and the rest of freedom4um that Hillary "Vodka Queen" Clinton said the same.
-Alex Kurtagic
#7. To: bush_is_a_moonie (#0)
Only because you do not listen. I despised Bush and Clinton. Trump has good aspects but is being strangled by the Jewish Lobby. But what do you reasonably expect. The Zionists would kill him as they did JFK if he did everything you wanted right now. Time to grow up.
The Truth of 911 Shall Set You Free From The Lie
#8. To: Horse (#7)
I didn't say you sided with Bush or Clinton. I said you are obviously suffering from the same type of cognitive dissonance and dualistic thinking that those on LP who supported Bush, no matter what he did. And Trump is pro-Zionist, otherwise he wouldn't have flipped on minimizing the wars in the Middle East. Attack on Syria claiming the Syrian govt used sarin gas which, was obviously a lie. Had it been sarin gas, all those who were helping but not wearing gloves and breathing apparatus would have suffered the same fate as those they were treating. Giving complete authority to military flag officers to determine what should be done. More troops in Afghanistan, troops in Syria, permanent occupation of Afghanistan, Iraq and most likely Syria. $100 billion worth of weapons to Saudi Arabia and cutting foreign aid except that given to Israel. His choice of Friedman to be the ambassador to Israel. Friedman is the president of American Friends of Bet El Yeshiva, a pro-settlement nonprofit based in Forest Hills, N.Y. Trump and his son-in-law Jared Kushner’s family foundation are among the nonprofit’s donors. It has poured millions of dollars into infrastructure, including a news outlet and religious schools, for Bet El, a hardline hilltop settlement north of the Palestinian city of Ramallah. Don't try to feed BS where Israel is concerned.
#9. To: X-15 (#6) (Edited)
Trump supports suspension of health privacy laws with respect to gun owners. Trump supports that people who are on the federal government’s “no fly list” should be categorically denied their right to buy guns under the Second Amendment. The no fly list is notoriously inaccurate. "It is also provides little or no due process protections. The process is secret, people are not told the reasons why they were placed on the list, and they are not given any advance opportunity to challenge the designation. And, once on the list, even a completely innocent person might find it difficult and time-consuming to get off of it." Trump is committed to the idea that your Second Amendment rights can be stripped on such a flimsy basis, with so little due process, then virtually any other politically feasible limitation on gun rights is also acceptable. “stop and frisk” searches to take away guns from “bad people.” He said the government can identify “bad people” and take away their guns without victimizing the innocent. Uh huh, sure they will. Mark Stern who is is for gun control said "If the government can revoke your right to access firearms simply because it has decided to place you on a secret, notoriously inaccurate list, it could presumably restrict your other rights in a similar manner. You could be forbidden from advocating for causes you believe in, or associating with like-minded activists; your right against intrusive, unreasonable searches could be suspended. And you would have no recourse: The government could simply declare that, as a name on a covert list, you are owed no due process at all."
#10. To: bush_is_a_moonie (#8)
I was speaking for myself when I said I opposed Bush and Clinton. I support Trump on some issues but not on others because the Jewish Lobby is strangling his administration. That is where I differ with your juvenile approach. You cannot oppose the Jewish Lobby and live if you are President. JFK proved that. Develop realistic expectations. Catherine Austin Fitts has said we will be better off when DC collapses.
The Truth of 911 Shall Set You Free From The Lie
#11. To: bush_is_a_moonie (#0)
You cannot fool all of the people all of the time. However, you can fool over 90% of the people from cradle to grave.
#12. To: bush_is_a_moonie (#0) (Edited)
Aren't you the one with "bush is a Moonie" in your name? I mean after all fool me once shame shame on you fool me twice can't fool me again... I hear people in Tennessee say that.
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Suspect all media / resist bad propaganda/Learn NLP everyday everyway ;) If you don't control your mind someone else will.
#13. To: bush_is_a_moonie (#0)
The psychology you refer to is absolutely real, but avoiding it is, I suspect, harder than your write up suggests. All people are convinced certain things are true, and the psychological principle you cite applies in both a positive and negative environment. Take a look at yourself. You said in a subsequent post: This is truth to you, and the fact that the BS Trump is enduring from the so-called Deep State, Dems, and media, isn't going to change your mind about the possibility that there actually might be something good about Trump, and I don't think it out of line to suggest that the friction Trump has endured the past couple weeks has, instead of giving you cause to reconsider Trump's worth, simply reinforced your belief that Trump was never "worth an ounce of piss". The point you make is sound. But it applies just as much when blindly following someone as it does when blindly despising them. This past election was a waste of time. Neither candidate worth an ounce of piss nor the time to vote for.
#14. To: DWornock (#11) (Edited)
This is true. If you can find a way to become the Secured Party, you can take away all of the advantages the government has built into the system. This will allow you to "pay" your federal and state income taxes with "Assignment of Account". You can only do this if you are the Secured Party, which I am. You can also use this method to "pay" traffic court fines. ;) you can fool over 90% of the people from cradle to grave.
"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke
#15. To: bush_is_a_moonie (#0)
I'm sure glad this did not occur since I was just a baby back then. ;) human civilization would be destroyed by a massive flood at midnight on December 20, 1954.
"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke
#16. To: bush_is_a_moonie (#2)
REVELATION: (So what else isn't new) ? It's quite likely that the DEMS and NEO-CONmen are continuing their Herculean effort to dislodge Trump in order to hide their own decades of failure and treason. However, Joe Lieberman is a zionazi thug and should have never been even considered for dog catcher ! The Jews have been forwarding classified info to the Chinese and Russians for a century ! I'm not talking about the election. This past election was a waste of time. Neither candidate worth an ounce of piss nor the time to vote for.
#17. To: noone222 (#16)
This is probably the chief benefit to be had in electing Donald Trump to office. The coastal establishment networks are just crapping themselves in trying to put the Donald back in the box. Their campaign of specious allegations will come apart of its own weight and likely come back to bite them in the ass. The more time these clowns spend chasing each other around the mulberry bush, the better for all of us. It's quite likely that the DEMS and NEO-CONmen are continuing their Herculean effort to dislodge Trump in order to hide their own decades of failure and treason.
Of all the enemies to public liberty war is, perhaps, the most to be dreaded. - James Madison
#18. To: randge (#17)
I'm an anti-FED because I think the FEDERAL RESERVE BANK literally owns the FEDERAL GOVT and provides government services as camouflage to keep the public ignorant of their enslaved condition. That being said, Pence is definitely a neo-con and is waiting with bated-breath for his chance to become the PREZ.
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