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Title: Same As Bush and Liberty Post
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Published: May 16, 2017
Author: Me
Post Date: 2017-05-16 18:18:35 by bush_is_a_moonie
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Views: 1112
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What I see here on Freedom4um with respect to Trump is the same thing I saw on Liberty Post about Bush. No matter what Bush did, the LP Bots just wouldn't accept that they had be tricked and brainwashed.

The following explains why those who are obsessed with being "conservative" have been so easily fooled by those like Trump and the neocons.

New research that found that when so-called conservatives were exposed to evidence demonstrating the falsity of a partisan belief – such as a report demonstrating that Iraq didn’t have WMD, or that lowering taxes doesn’t increase government revenue – they became more convinced than ever that those beliefs were actually true. The scientists call this “the backfire effect”.

The researchers argue that these types of conservatives are particularly vulnerable to this cognitive flaw, as their beliefs tend to be more rigid and immutable.

This is a deeply human trait. One of the first scientists to really study this was Leon Festinger, a social psychologist at the University of Minnesota. In the summer of 1954, Festinger was reading the morning newspaper when he encountered a short article about Marion Keech, a housewife in suburban Minneapolis who was convinced that the apocalypse was coming. Keech had started getting messages from aliens a few years before, but now the messages were getting eerily specific. According to Sananda, an extra-terrestrial from the planet Clarion who was in regular contact with Keech, human civilization would be destroyed by a massive flood at midnight on December 20, 1954.

Keech’s sci-fi prophecy soon gained a small band of followers. They trusted her divinations, and marked the date of Armageddon on their calendars. Many of them quit their jobs and sold their homes. The cultists didn’t bother buying Christmas presents or making arrangements for New Years Eve, since nothing would exist by then.

Festinger immediately realized that Keech would make a great research subject. He decided to infiltrate the group by pretending to be a true believer. What Festinger wanted to study was the reaction of the cultist on December 21, when the world wasn’t destroyed and no spaceship appeared. Would Keech recant? What would happen when her prophesy failed?

On the night of December 20, Keech’s followers gathered in her home and waited for instructions from the aliens. Midnight inexorably approached. When the clock read 12:01 and there were still no aliens, the cultists began to worry. A few began to cry. The aliens had let them down. But then Keech received a new telegram from outer space, which she quickly transcribed on her notepad. “This little group sitting all night long had spread so much light,” the aliens told her, “that god saved the world from destruction. Not since the beginning of time upon this Earth has there been such a force of Good and light as now floods this room.” It was their stubborn faith that had prevented the apocalypse. Although Keech’s predictions had been falsified, the group was now more convinced than ever that the aliens were real. They began proselytizing to others, sending out press releases and recruiting new believers. This is how they reacted to the dissonance of being wrong: by being more sure than ever that they were right.

In other words, those members of the alien cult were just like conservatives learning that Iraq didn’t have WMD. They were so committed to their beliefs – they had so much invested in the idea that the world would end, or that Saddam had chemical weapons – that dissonant facts made them double-down. It would be too painful to be wrong, and so they convinced themselves that they were right.

The Study

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#1. To: bush_is_a_moonie (#0)

I wouldn't generalize so broadly if I were you. There are many here who oppose Trump schmoozing with the neocon war mongers, yet support him when attacked on BS like "Russian interference with the election", where it was most likely Seth Rich who leaked those DNC emails.

It could all be a big circus for the masses, who knows.

FormerLurker  posted on  2017-05-16   18:33:49 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: FormerLurker (#1)

I'm not talking about the election. This past election was a waste of time. Neither candidate worth an ounce of piss nor the time to vote for.

bush_is_a_moonie  posted on  2017-05-16   18:44:36 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: bush_is_a_moonie (#2) (Edited)

Neither candidate worth an ounce of piss nor the time to vote for.

The nomination and confirmation of Supreme Court Justice Gorsuch has rendered your argument moot.

X-15  posted on  2017-05-16   18:47:52 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: X-15 (#3)

Obviously, you know nothing about his decisions over the years.

bush_is_a_moonie  posted on  2017-05-16   18:49:38 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: bush_is_a_moonie (#4)

President Trump has not uttered ONE WORD about confiscating our weapons. To the contrary, he supports The People being able to carry a concealed pistol in ALL fifty states. Tell me and the rest of freedom4um that Hillary "Vodka Queen" Clinton said the same.

X-15  posted on  2017-05-16   18:54:27 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: X-15 (#6) (Edited)

Trump supports suspension of health privacy laws with respect to gun owners.

Trump supports that people who are on the federal government’s “no fly list” should be categorically denied their right to buy guns under the Second Amendment. The no fly list is notoriously inaccurate. "It is also provides little or no due process protections. The process is secret, people are not told the reasons why they were placed on the list, and they are not given any advance opportunity to challenge the designation. And, once on the list, even a completely innocent person might find it difficult and time-consuming to get off of it." Trump is committed to the idea that your Second Amendment rights can be stripped on such a flimsy basis, with so little due process, then virtually any other politically feasible limitation on gun rights is also acceptable.

“stop and frisk” searches to take away guns from “bad people.” He said the government can identify “bad people” and take away their guns without victimizing the innocent. Uh huh, sure they will.

Mark Stern who is is for gun control said "If the government can revoke your right to access firearms simply because it has decided to place you on a secret, notoriously inaccurate list, it could presumably restrict your other rights in a similar manner. You could be forbidden from advocating for causes you believe in, or associating with like-minded activists; your right against intrusive, unreasonable searches could be suspended. And you would have no recourse: The government could simply declare that, as a name on a covert list, you are owed no due process at all."

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