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Title: ACLU: "Law Enforcement Was Standing Passively By, Seeming To Be Waiting For Violence To Take Place"
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URL Source: https://www.informationliberation.com/?id=57198
Published: Aug 18, 2017
Author: Chris Menahan
Post Date: 2017-08-18 16:26:47 by Ada
Keywords: None
Views: 294
Comments: 14

The ACLU of Virginia said in a statement on Charlottesville that "law enforcement was standing passively by, seeming to be waiting for violence to take place, so that they would have grounds to declare an emergency, declare an 'unlawful assembly' and clear the area."

The ACLU of Virginia was defending themselves from attacks by Virginia Governor Terry McAuliffe on Monday who tried to blame them for the violence.

From ACLU of Virginia: On National Public Radio’s Morning Edition today, Virginia Gov. Terry McAuliffe blamed the ACLU for the violence that took place on Saturday in Charlottesville.

“The City of Charlottesville asked for that to be moved out of downtown Charlottesville to a park about a mile and a half away to a park with a lot of open fields. That was the place where it should have been,” McAuliffe said. “We were unfortunately sued by the ACLU. The judge ruled against us. That rally should not have been in the middle of downtown.”

The ACLU of Virginia’s Executive Director Claire G. Gastanaga had the following response:

“We are horrified by the violence that took place in Charlottesville on Saturday and the tragic loss of life that resulted from it. The ACLU of Virginia does not support violence. We do not support Nazis. We support the Constitution and laws of the United States. We would be eager to work with the governor and the attorney general on efforts to ensure that public officials understand their rights and obligations under the law.

“But let’s be clear: our lawsuit challenging the city to act constitutionally did not cause violence nor did it in any way address the question whether demonstrators could carry sticks or other weapons at the events.

“We asked the city to adhere to the U.S. Constitution and ensure people’s safety at the protest. It failed to do so. In our system, the city makes the rules and the courts enforce them. Our role is to ensure that the system works the same for everyone.

“In the weeks after the July 8 protests, the city (working with the governor and others) had ample opportunity to put together a case and present it in court on its own motion justifying the revocation of the permit and the imposition of a prior restraint on speech. If the judge in our case had been presented with any credible evidence or testimony by the city of an imminent threat of harm (other than a list of internet entries) or evidence that the change in permit would, in fact, result in no demonstration in downtown Charlottesville, I have confidence that he would have denied the injunction, and the city would have been faced with enforcing the change of venue and protecting demonstrators and counter-demonstrators in two locations.

“Instead, the city’s pleadings said that its decision to revoke the permit was based primarily on the unmanageable numbers of people who would show up. An affidavit from the police chief said that they expected twice as many counter-protesters (2,000) as protesters (1,000). Yet, the city did not revoke the permits for the counter-protesters, too. In light of those facts, the judge couldn’t get beyond the fact that the city hadn’t revoked all permits for demonstrations downtown on Saturday.

“It is the responsibility of law enforcement to ensure safety of both protesters and counter-protesters. The policing on Saturday was not effective in preventing violence. I was there and brought concerns directly to the secretary of public safety and the head of the Virginia State Police about the way that the barricades in the park limiting access by the arriving demonstrators and the lack of any physical separation of the protesters and counter-protesters on the street were contributing to the potential of violence. They did not respond. In fact, law enforcement was standing passively by, seeming to be waiting for violence to take place, so that they would have grounds to declare an emergency, declare an ‘unlawful assembly’ and clear the area.

“Rather than seeking to scapegoat the ACLU of Virginia and the Rutherford Institute for the devastating events on Saturday, it is my firm hope and desire that the governor and other state and local officials will learn from this past weekend how constitutionally to prevent events like the horror we saw in Charlottesville from ever happening again.”

All the evidence shows this is what happened as I've documented exhaustively. The lying media is refusing to air the videos which show how the police corralled the two groups together to provoke conflict.

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#1. To: Ada (#0)

The whole mess was a psyop, from the bogus assed crisis actors and their tiki torch props march at night to the speed with which the msm was allowed to set the narrative. And Duke and Spencer were complicit in the whole charade. Neither of them are anything more than just Soros tools.

Obnoxicated  posted on  2017-08-18   16:41:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Ada (#0) (Edited)

URL Source: https://www.informationliberation.com/?id=57198

Published: Aug 16, 2017

Excerpts:

The ACLU of Virginia said in a statement on Charlottesville that "law enforcement was standing passively by, seeming to be waiting for violence to take place, so that they would have grounds to declare an emergency, declare an 'unlawful assembly' and clear the area."

The ACLU of Virginia’s Executive Director Claire G. Gastanaga had the following response:

“We asked the city to adhere to the U.S. Constitution and ensure people’s safety at the protest. It failed to do so. In our system, the city makes the rules and the courts enforce them. Our role is to ensure that the system works the same for everyone.

“It is the responsibility of law enforcement to ensure safety of both protesters and counter-protesters. The policing on Saturday was not effective in preventing violence. I was there and brought concerns directly to the secretary of public safety and the head of the Virginia State Police about the way that the barricades in the park limiting access by the arriving demonstrators and the lack of any physical separation of the protesters and counter-protesters on the street were contributing to the potential of violence. They did not respond. In fact, law enforcement was standing passively by, seeming to be waiting for violence to take place, so that they would have grounds to declare an emergency, declare an ‘unlawful assembly’ and clear the area.


Assigned Post Charlottesville Police August 12 - YouTube, 2 minutes | Published on Nov 7, 2017 by witless X


Charlottesville Police Called Off When Violence Erupted "We're Leaving, It's Too Dangerous" - YouTube, 1 minute | Published on Aug 13, 2017 by iBankCoin.com


ACLU Confirms Charlottesville Police Were Given a Stand Down Order - YouTube, 7 minutes | Published on Aug 13, 2017 by samuel ezerzer

ACLU Confirms Charlottesville Police Were Given a Stand Down Order American Civil Liberties Union has confirmed in a tweet that police were given a stand-down order. In a quote from the ACLU of Virginia's twitter, police say "We'll not intervene until given the command to do so." This has sparked a heated debate online as several people have weighed in on the matter with differing opinions. One thing is clear, there is a legal basis to one sides protest, and no legal basis to others.

What we know so far is that the far right group 'Unite the Right' had a legal permit to protest at the Robert E. Lee statue in Charlottesville, Virginia. City leaders actually attempted to have the protest moved but since it was backed by the ACLU, they requested an emergency junction against the city claiming their first amendment rights were violated. The injunction went through on Friday and so did the protest. The problem's begin when a second, unsanctioned group of protesters took it upon themselves to show up en mass to protest Unite the Right.


Blog: Lawsuits announced against Charlottesville and Virginia State Police over 'stand down' order | americanthinker.com | September 1, 2017

The predictable violence that erupted in Charlottesville, Virginia, when police channeled opposing groups into the same confined space and then failed to intervene, requires explanation. Given the alacrity with which Democrat office-holders and the MSM exploited the violence for political gain, reasonable suspicions arise over whether this was intentionally set up as political theater.

It already looks as though the official local investigation is shaping up as a whitewash. The man chosen as the "independent" investigator is a Democrat who reportedly donated to the Charlottesville mayor's election.

That is why a civil suit may be necessary to get to the bottom of matters.


Police being stood down and what is kettling? - YouTube, 5.5 minutes | Published on Sep 7, 2017 by Analytical Chick

[This link set to start at 2:10 for a 1-minute segment to 3:16 with lawsuit info and an interview of Charlottesville Policemen on non-interventions in assaults at the Unite the Right rally.]

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2017-12-11   2:11:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Obnoxicated (#1)

And Duke and Spencer were complicit in the whole charade. Neither of them are anything more than just Soros tools.

Don't think Duke and Spencer had much to do with it. The "Unite the Right" Fifth Columnist appears to have been its "founder", Jason Kessler, who previously was an activist with Occupy Wall Street and Obama supporter.

He sees himself as a professional provocateur. What if he was a ringer, a phony who revels in riling up some crazy people for some political purpose? We know the left is skilled in all manner of dirty tricks.

Ada  posted on  2017-12-11   7:26:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: GreyLmist (#2)

The ACLU has its honorable moments.

Ada  posted on  2017-12-11   7:27:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Ada (#4) (Edited)

The ACLU has its honorable moments.

Sporadic though that's been, I agree.

Noting on the stand-down issues that I presume the governor would have had to be the one to so instruct the VA State Police.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2017-12-11   8:10:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: GreyLmist (#2)

Fairly worthless PD to stand down because "it's too dangerous."

“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken

Lod  posted on  2017-12-11   9:32:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: GreyLmist (#5)

Noting on the stand-down issues that I presume the governor would have had to be the one to so instruct the VA State Police.

True but why were the State Police there? Why not just Charlotteville police? Don't know which of them steered the Unite the Right protestors directly into the Antifa counterprotestors.

Ada  posted on  2017-12-11   10:28:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Ada (#3) (Edited)

Obnoxicated: And Duke and Spencer were complicit in the whole charade. Neither of them are anything more than just Soros tools.

Ada: Don't think Duke and Spencer had much to do with it. The "Unite the Right" Fifth Columnist appears to have been its "founder", Jason Kessler, who previously was an activist with Occupy Wall Street and Obama supporter.

He sees himself as a professional provocateur. What if he was a ringer, a phony who revels in riling up some crazy people for some political purpose? We know the left is skilled in all manner of dirty tricks.


See also, additionally:


@ 4um Title: 'Let Them Fight, It Will Make It Easier to Declare An Unlawful Assembly': C-ville Police Chief Ordered Stand Down

poor communication with Virginia State Police, who were trying to extract their undercover agents from the fray in the park before Charlottesville riot police moved in.


Richard Spencer (alt right) pleads with riot police in Charlottesville - YouTube, 11 minutes [Profanity warning] | Published on Aug 12, 2017 by Demography Is Destiny

Unite The Right: state police declare the permitted rally (upheld by a federal court) an 'unlawful assembly'.


Numerous nefarious agendas of the Commiecrats (Leftists & RINOs) are concertedly and rapidly afoot since their skewed spinmeisterings of the Charlottesville traumatics. They were probably in the process of designing their Post-C'ville legislative maneuvers at least as far back as the DisruptJ20/January 20th riots by their chums, Antifa & Company, on Inauguration Day of this year. Soon after that upheaval, several Republican States moved to enact Driver Shield laws to deter protestors from recklessly obstructing emergency response vehicles and other autos traveling on public roadways. The Charlottesville vehicular "CrowdStrike" hoax sent some of those efforts into suspension and some into cancellation mode. That's just one example of under-reported after-effects for the benefit of Comniecrats. They're moving for assembly-permit changes, too, and policing "upgrades" and restrictions to the Second Amendment -- incuding the forbiddance of any armed Militia presence at public protests, even though all of the media-hyped Militia groups at the Unite the Right rallying in Charlottesville were Leftists or allied with them against those demonstrators but still got reported as if rightwing extremists.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2017-12-11   13:16:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Obnoxicated (#8) (Edited)

Ping to #8. Posting 2 videos here in reply to your psyop comment at #1:


Best Proof Charlottesville Protest Was A Hoax! James Fields Driving Slow Past Cops? - YouTube, 6.75 minutes | Published on Aug 27, 2017 by The Awareness Revolution

This revealing video puts the legitimacy of the Charlottesville protests into question.


Slow this video down at the gear icon of the YouTube bar to see a backpack-person clinging to the trunk of the car as it reverses, who goes into the front of the truck parked at the curb CGI-like, without being splattered or even damaging the light on that side:


EXCLUSIVE FOOTAGE: Daily Caller Obtained this Up-Close Footage of the Charlottesville Car Crash - YouTube | Published on Aug 12, 2017 by The Daily Caller

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2017-12-11   14:25:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: GreyLmist (#8)

Anything new on the case?

Ada  posted on  2017-12-11   15:03:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Lod (#6)

Fairly worthless PD to stand down because "it's too dangerous."

Seems so but, since the news reporter was speaking about the State Police leaving the area because "it's too dangerous", I'm going to speculate that they might have meant "it's too dangerous" for their undercover agents round about (as noted at Post #8) who maybe were lesser armed than them so they all had to relocate as one surveillance unit for the same reason. I suppose it's possible, too, that it had something to do with gov and union officials directing them to go off duty entirely at that time or go to a more secure station so as to reduce Hazard Payscale expenses because the city's riot police were being deployed to that vicinity.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2017-12-11   16:35:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Ada (#7)

why were the State Police there? Why not just Charlotteville police? Don't know which of them steered the Unite the Right protestors directly into the Antifa counterprotestors.

I once wondered why the police from the next town over were stopping me and others for inspection at a sobriety checkpoint that was out of their jurisdiction. Some mumbo-jumbo about a joint-training session, as it turned out. Likely, the State Police and the city police both, to some extent, steered the Unite the Right protestors into the Antifa Communistas. I like to think the National Guards would have refused and intervened to stop that but I'm thinking it would have been much more costly for officialry to "test" them on it.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2017-12-11   17:06:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: GreyLmist, Ada, 4 (#12)

Whatever is the back-story, the entire affair seems to have been designed to insure a clash of both groups of "demonstrators." In that they succeeded big-time.

“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken

Lod  posted on  2017-12-11   18:16:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: Ada (#10) (Edited)

Anything new on the case?

I have quite a bit of archival materials yet to post for context and so on but am not quite sure at the moment about when or where - except for the PDF link I found to the recently issued 220-page report about it, which I plan to post soon at another 4um topic more specific to that. There's the link for a copy here, too. The 2nd paragraph on page 146 mentions 2 witnesses on the disputed matter of Chief Thomas, who claims not to recall having made the conflict-escalating statement, "Let them fight, it will make it easier to declare an unlawful assembly,” but they recall that he did.

Hunton & Williams | FINAL REPORT | INDEPENDENT REVIEW OF THE 2017 PROTEST EVENTS IN CHARLOTTESVILLE, VIRGINIA | Timothy J. Heaphy. Hunton & Williams LLP November 24, 2017 | Excerpt from Page 146:

Chief Thomas’s response to the increasing violence on Market Street was disappointingly passive. Captain Lewis and Chief Thomas’ personal assistant Emily Lantz both told us that upon the first signs of open violence on Market Street, Chief Thomas said “let them fight, it will make it easier to declare an unlawful assembly.” Thomas did not recall making that statement, though he did confirm that he waited to “see how things played out” before declaring the unlawful assembly. Regardless of what he said, Chief Thomas’ slow-footed response to violence put the safety of all at risk and created indelible images of this chaotic event.

3. Unlawful Assembly

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2017-12-11   18:48:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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