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Title: Found! Potentially Earth-Like Planet at Proxima Centauri Is Closest Ever
Source: Space.com
URL Source: https://www.space.com/33834-discovery-of-planet-proxima-b.html
Published: Aug 24, 2016
Author: Mike Wall
Post Date: 2017-08-26 13:27:40 by farmfriend
Keywords: None
Views: 383
Comments: 19

Astronomers have discovered a roughly Earth-size alien world around Proxima Centauri, which lies just 4.2 light-years from our own solar system. What's even more exciting, study team members said, is that the planet, known as Proxima b, circles in the star's "habitable zone" — the range of distances at which liquid water could be stable on a world's surface.

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Article is a year old but still cool!

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#1. To: farmfriend (#0)

Long after I die we may find out if life could exist on that planet.

DWornock  posted on  2017-08-26   13:55:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Right now they are looking at one of Jupiter's moons. I'll see if I can find an article.

When government gains the power to control the use of private property, it becomes possible for the politically dominant to profit by high commodity prices using government regulation to constrain supply. One merely drives competitors out of business by manipulating the perception of risk to a land use preferred by a democratic majority. - Mark Edward Vande Pol

farmfriend  posted on  2017-08-26   13:57:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I thought it was a different one from Europa but apparently not. I'll post the article as a separate thread.

When government gains the power to control the use of private property, it becomes possible for the politically dominant to profit by high commodity prices using government regulation to constrain supply. One merely drives competitors out of business by manipulating the perception of risk to a land use preferred by a democratic majority. - Mark Edward Vande Pol

farmfriend  posted on  2017-08-26   14:04:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Long after I die we may find out if life could exist on that planet.

I suspect that some methods will be devised to detect life on extra-solar worlds, and that we may see science claim life exists on other worlds within the next 5-10 years, if indeed any exist with reasonably abundant life on it.

I am of the opinion that life does indeed exist elsewhere in the universe. How common it may be, I have no idea.

Pinguinite  posted on  2017-08-26   14:10:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I am of the opinion that life does indeed exist elsewhere in the universe. How common it may be, I have no idea.

I too suspect life is common. Advanced life is the real question.

When government gains the power to control the use of private property, it becomes possible for the politically dominant to profit by high commodity prices using government regulation to constrain supply. One merely drives competitors out of business by manipulating the perception of risk to a land use preferred by a democratic majority. - Mark Edward Vande Pol

farmfriend  posted on  2017-08-26   14:19:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

After all that's gone on here, I don't believe that even God would take a mulligan.

“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken

Lod  posted on  2017-08-26   14:46:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Ok I had the wrong planet. I wanted Saturn's moon Enceladus. I'll post that article as well.

When government gains the power to control the use of private property, it becomes possible for the politically dominant to profit by high commodity prices using government regulation to constrain supply. One merely drives competitors out of business by manipulating the perception of risk to a land use preferred by a democratic majority. - Mark Edward Vande Pol

farmfriend  posted on  2017-08-26   14:48:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I too suspect life is common. Advanced life is the real question.

Looking it up, current theory says that:

Universe is about 13.5 billion years old.

Earth is 4.5 billion years old, about 1/3rd of the age of the entire universe.

Life began on earth 4 billion years ago.

Advanced life (animals) began some 250 million years ago, about 1/40th of the age of the universe.

There are trillions of earth-like worlds just in our galaxy, and there are billions of galaxies.

It seems the math would show life should be quite plentiful. And even advanced life should not be too far away, in galactic terms. The only caveat is the question of how easy/likely it is for life to get started on a given planet matching earth's composition, sun, and orbital mechanics.

Oh, and some suggest that the moon played a critical part in earth's advanced life development by stabilizing earth orbit/rotation which provided stable climate for life to thrive, so such earth candidates may need to have a huge moon as well.

Pinguinite  posted on  2017-08-26   14:54:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I would agree

When government gains the power to control the use of private property, it becomes possible for the politically dominant to profit by high commodity prices using government regulation to constrain supply. One merely drives competitors out of business by manipulating the perception of risk to a land use preferred by a democratic majority. - Mark Edward Vande Pol

farmfriend  posted on  2017-08-26   14:57:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

After all that's gone on here, I don't believe that even God would take a mulligan.

Depends on one's theology. In the big picture, I think everything is fine.

Pinguinite  posted on  2017-08-26   15:17:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

If we are made in the image of God, then it is our destiny to move beyond our space/time continuum. Whether we do that as an individual post death or as a species through innovation and evolution is the real debate.

When government gains the power to control the use of private property, it becomes possible for the politically dominant to profit by high commodity prices using government regulation to constrain supply. One merely drives competitors out of business by manipulating the perception of risk to a land use preferred by a democratic majority. - Mark Edward Vande Pol

farmfriend  posted on  2017-08-26   15:29:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

After all that's gone

Enjoy this appropriate 3D Video on Youtube folks,, Rocket to Uranus by Vengaboys and Perez Hilton. The fish ain't biting. But ain't Never giving up.! See ya later.

sizzlerguy  posted on  2017-08-26   15:34:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

If we are made in the image of God, then it is our destiny to move beyond our space/time continuum. Whether we do that as an individual post death or as a species through innovation and evolution is the real debate.

I do believe we were/are made in the "image of God", but that "image" is not the human form, but rather in the soul form. Which makes complete sense given the evolutionary model of life on earth. Physical life means little to nothing to God. Spiritual life, the immortal soul, is made completely independently of physical life including the bounds and limits of this universe, and that is what God really cares about.

The soul is immortal because it is not of this universe and all it's laws of physics such as the laws of conservation of energy. I believe souls are born of God in a spiritual dimension superior to this universe we currently live in. We incarnate into the inferior human form.

The erroneous assumption among many faiths is that human conception gives rise to an immortal soul, which is an assumption that makes no sense at all as it would mean there is something magical about human DNA that the DNA of other primates and animals do not possess.

No, the reason we are special and loved is not because of our human form, but because we are souls. The human body is simply what the soul wears for a short time. But the human body is disposable, while the soul is not.

And it's why reincarnation is a very reasonable concept, and what I believe occurs. In another context, given that one life is hardly long enough for people to grow spiritually and overcome vices, reincarnation allows us far more time to grow spiritually, which in fact is what the whole purpose of life is.

Eventually, we do indeed move beyond this space/time continuum, though the journey continues onward from there.

At least, that's what I believe as it makes an extraordinary amount of sense in so many ways... theological, philosophical and scientific. Far more than any standard/mainstream theological models common today.

Pinguinite  posted on  2017-08-26   16:01:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

No, the reason we are special and loved is not because of our human form, but because we are souls. The human body is simply what the soul wears for a short time. But the human body is disposable, while the soul is not.

Agree.

“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken

Lod  posted on  2017-08-26   16:58:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

The soul is immortal because it is not of this universe and all it's laws of physics such as the laws of conservation of energy.

Which brings up another whole concept. A running theme of shows and discussions seem to be the concept of science vs religion with the main idea that you can't have both. For me, if God created the universe, he also created the laws that govern that universe. The laws of physics and quantum physics are quiet literally God's laws.

When government gains the power to control the use of private property, it becomes possible for the politically dominant to profit by high commodity prices using government regulation to constrain supply. One merely drives competitors out of business by manipulating the perception of risk to a land use preferred by a democratic majority. - Mark Edward Vande Pol

farmfriend  posted on  2017-08-26   17:51:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Any sound theological model has to accommodate the full spectrum of science, though of course it is allowed some reasonable leeway as scientific conclusions are sometimes wrong.

Pinguinite  posted on  2017-08-26   18:35:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I too suspect life is common. Advanced life is the real question.

I suspect life may only exist on earth. Our scientists can't create life so the probibility that nature can create it may be infinitesimal. Unless we happen to be first, certainly there is no other intelligent life as we define it in our galaxy or else, intelligent life always destroyed itself before becoming capable of traveling to the stars. Considering how the USA wants to make war on Russia, a war that will go nuclear, that is something we may do.

In any event, once intelligent life is capable of star travel, something we should be able to do within the next 100 (certainly the next 1,000) years, colonization of the galaxy may take as little as 100,000 years and certainly less than 1,000,000 years. Considering the galaxy is billions of years old, the odds that we would be less than one million years behind another intelligent life on another start system is less than 1%.

Therefore, the fact that our galaxy hasn't already been colonized implies other intelligent life does not exist. Certainly they would not have overlooked a rich prize like earth.

DWornock  posted on  2017-08-27   15:00:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I suspect life may only exist on earth. Our scientists can't create life so the probibility that nature can create it may be infinitesimal.

That, we do not know. For all we know, new microbial life forms may be springing into existence somewhere on earth daily, and if so, any discovered would be erroneously presumed to be related to some preexisting microbial life.

In any event, once intelligent life is capable of star travel, something we should be able to do within the next 100 (certainly the next 1,000) years, colonization of the galaxy may take as little as 100,000 years and certainly less than 1,000,000 years. Considering the galaxy is billions of years old, the odds that we would be less than one million years behind another intelligent life on another start system is less than 1%.

A theorem I've heard before, and not an unsound one. Though it does presume that faster than light travel is obtainable with sufficiently advanced tech, which is not known. If it is not possible, then colonization of the galaxy may take far longer than 1 million years, as the galaxy is, I think, about 100,000 light years in diameter.

And while it may show intelligent life does not exist in our galaxy, it does not mean it doesn't exist in one of the billions of others. The universe is, of course, a big place.

If faster than light travel is not possible, then humans leaving this solar system may not happen until it absolutely has to.

Pinguinite  posted on  2017-08-28   2:51:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I don't believe speeds greater than the speed of light is possible. However, already there is discussion of the use of micro or nano-sized spacecraft that can travel close to the spead of light (perhaps 70%). They would be inexpensive so we might send out thousands to every star within a thousand light years. If a planet that we could live on is found, we would send a regular spaceship traveling at 1/3rd the speed of with dozens of people or a few people and many frozen embryos to be raised in artifical wombs.

In 10,000 years those planets would be sufficiently populated and developed, and in turn would send out nano-spacecraft. At that rate, if the galaxy is 100,000 light years across, it might take longer than 1 million years, but not a lot longer.

DWornock  posted on  2017-08-28   15:35:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

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