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Title: U.S. needs to watch extremists, Fox says
Source: AZ Central
URL Source: http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/0317fox17.html
Published: Mar 19, 2005
Author: Chris Hawley
Post Date: 2005-03-19 23:12:04 by Mr Nuke Buzzcut
Keywords: extremists,, needs, watch
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Comments: 23

U.S. needs to watch extremists, Fox says

Chris Hawley
Republic Mexico City Bureau
Mar. 17, 2005 12:00 AM

MEXICO CITY - Anti-immigrant sentiment appears to be growing in the United States, Mexican President Vicente Fox said Wednesday, and he urged U.S. officials to act quickly to control movements such as the 950-member-strong Minuteman Project on the Mexico-Arizona border.

Fox said he plans to push for U.S. immigration reform during a meeting with President Bush in Texas next week. He also said the two leaders, along with Canadian Prime Minister Paul Martin, likely will announce a plan to expand the scope of the North American Free Trade Agreement.

Mexico's National Human Rights Commission recently issued a warning about several new grass-roots movements inspired by Arizona's Proposition 200. Other Mexican officials have cited the Minuteman Project, a plan by activists to patrol the border during April, as a sign of rising extremism. advertisement

"There are signs of these kinds of problems present today, and (they are) progressing," Fox said during a news conference for foreign reporters. "We have to act quickly and on time to prevent these kinds of actions."

He said Mexico is watching the Minuteman Project carefully and will take action in U.S. courts or international tribunals if any of the activists break the law.

Patrols start in April

"We totally reject the idea of these migrant-hunting groups," Fox said. "We will use the law, international law and even U.S. law to make sure that these types of groups, which are a minority . . . will not have any opportunity to progress."

Organizers of the Minuteman Project say they have signed up more than 950 volunteers, including 30 pilots with aircraft, to patrol the border for 30 days beginning April 1. The activists say they will notify the Border Patrol if they see border crossers and will not confront them directly.

Minuteman co-organizer Chris Simcox said participants are exercising their constitutional rights.

"Vicente Fox can rant and rave all he wants, but he obviously doesn't understand what a democracy means," Simcox said. "We have been working within the law."

'Walls don't work'

Fox also harshly criticized the construction of walls along the border, including a new "triple fence" planned for the San Diego area.

"We are convinced that walls don't work. They should be torn down," he said. "No country that is proud of itself should build walls. No one can isolate himself these days."

Fox said he understood Americans' concern about protecting their southern border. But he dismissed fears that terrorists have sneaked into the United States through Mexico. "We have absolutely no evidence of that," he said.

Fox will meet with Bush and Martin next Wednesday at Baylor University in Waco, Texas, and at Bush's ranch in nearby Crawford. It's an effort to get North American cooperation back on track after the Iraq and Afghanistan wars.

Plan on Social Security

Fox said he will push for action on a "guest worker" program in the United States. He said that the U.S. population is aging and will need Mexican labor in the future and that turning millions of undocumented Mexicans into legal, taxpaying workers could help keep the Social Security system afloat.

The three leaders likely will announce a plan aimed at further integrating their countries' economies to compete against other trade blocs, Fox said. He called it a "new vision" that will not change the existing treaty.

It will include new border-security measures, ways to share customs duties, and a continentwide energy policy, he said. Other sections will focus on education, technology and the financial sectors, he said.

NAFTA's critics say the 1994 trade pact has cost American manufacturing jobs while hurting Mexican farmers. But Fox said the average Mexican income has more than doubled, to $6,505 a year.

Fox said the boom of assembly plants along the border has actually helped stop illegal border crossing by providing jobs for people who would have gone to the United States.

"That's also part of security on the border, to have this cushion where people can find a job on the Mexican side," he said.

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#1. To: Mr Nuke Buzzcut (#0)

Anti-immigrant sentiment appears to be growing in the United States

It's about damn time.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2005-03-19   23:17:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Jethro Tull (#1)

I don't have anti-immigrant sentiment. I have anti-illegal-alien sentiment. If people want to come here and be productive law abiding members of the community, that's cool. It's the criminal border jumping scum that have no respect for the rights of others and have no intention of being self- supporting.

Mr Nuke Buzzcut  posted on  2005-03-19   23:21:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Mr Nuke Buzzcut (#0)

Fox said he will push for action on a "guest worker" program in the United States. He said that the U.S. population is aging and will need Mexican labor in the future and that turning millions of undocumented Mexicans into legal, taxpaying workers could help keep the Social Security system afloat.

Well now, where did that thinking come from? Surely not from Ole Bushie?

justlurking  posted on  2005-03-19   23:51:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: justlurking (#3)

More evidence that Socialist Security is an unsustainable pyramid scheme. Eventually it crashes and leaves a massive number of victims holding bag.

Mr Nuke Buzzcut  posted on  2005-03-19   23:56:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Mr Nuke Buzzcut (#4)

His little *meeting* with Bush next week will be interesting to see.

justlurking  posted on  2005-03-20   0:03:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Mr Nuke Buzzcut (#0)

Is Mr. Fox going to open Mexico's southern borders which he has slammed shut because he does not want the poor Central Americans coming into HIS country?

He should do this if he does not want to appear to be a hypocrite.

Diana  posted on  2005-03-20   0:19:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Mr Nuke Buzzcut (#0)

I should add a LYING hypocrite.

Diana  posted on  2005-03-20   0:20:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Mr Nuke Buzzcut (#2)

I don't have anti-immigrant sentiment. I have anti-illegal-alien sentiment.

I take that for granted when I read these articles. However, the Immigration Act of 1965 was a disaster and should be canned. Further, we're about ready for an immigration 'time-out' in America today. We've had them in the past, and I rather like American college kids launching lawn services.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2005-03-20   5:26:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Mr Nuke Buzzcut (#0)

So people who want to protect their country are extremists. If there isn't some kind of war coming down the road between Mexico and the US, I would be surprised.

Don  posted on  2005-03-20   9:23:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Don, everyone here (#9)

Time for me to head to the gun show.

BLOAT

Lod  posted on  2005-03-20   10:10:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: lodwick (#10)

Time for me to head to the gun show.

Many people are probably doing that.

Don  posted on  2005-03-20   10:16:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: lodwick (#10)

how much you want to bet mexican intel has a bunch of stuff on drunkya?

hence, the open borders, hence, the weak, third world greaser ordering around the executive twig.

gengis gandhi  posted on  2005-03-20   10:33:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: gengis gandhi (#12)

You may be right about the possible blackmail angle, but I don't think blackmail is necessary. There must be open borders before the North American Trading Zone is a reality. And, I think that the trading zone is what this whole thing is about.

Don  posted on  2005-03-20   10:39:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: gengis gandhi, Don, all (#12)

I beleive that they're all just sock puppets whose controllers have so much damning information, videos, and pictures, that they will do and say whatever they are told to do or say.

These meetings are strictly for public consumption by the weak-minded, or un- informed types out there.

Lod  posted on  2005-03-20   10:47:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: lodwick (#14)

These meetings are strictly for public consumption by the weak-minded, or un- informed types out there.

Well, the politicians have to get in their shopping trips some way.

Don  posted on  2005-03-20   10:51:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: Jethro Tull (#8)

Further, we're about ready for an immigration 'time-out' in America today.

Right after 9/11 when the government was passing the Patriot Act and generally stomping on my civil rights, while claiming it was because there were scads of islamic terrorist cells right here in the US getting ready to kill me -- I supported cancelling visas and sending them home immediately. We could have rounded up every single illegal alien and every guest from an islamic nation and sent them packing without violating their rights one bit. But... We didn't. Now I know why. Because there aren't any stinking terrorist cells. Oh, we're doing our best to create them, but there weren't any then.

Mr Nuke Buzzcut  posted on  2005-03-20   13:48:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: lodwick (#10)

Time for me to head to the gun show.

Gun shows suck these days. Prices are inflated, dealers are surly and selection is lousy. The internet is the place to shop. The gun show is in its death throes.

Mr Nuke Buzzcut  posted on  2005-03-20   13:49:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Mr Nuke Buzzcut (#0)

In my spare time, I like to scheme up really stupid forms of protest.... things which are visibly absurd, yet yet have an impact and the politics of it is not lost on even the most politically unaware people.

Lately, I was thinking that all those Minutemen who volunteered to guard the border should just get together some really professionally made signs, and go cross the southern border into Mexico.... with big signs which thank Vincente Fox for his support for illegal immigration in the name of human rights. I then think a thousand of those Minutemen should march to the Mexican immigration authorities and request political refuge on human rights grounds. They'd never get it obviously, and would be deported back to America, so no harm no foul..... but I bet it would make the newspapers and TV in all of Mexico and the Mexican people would finally get the message that it works both ways and that two can play at that game.

Of course, that would be totally hypocritical considering that we're supposed to oppose illegal border crossing....... but still..... it would be amusing and quite effective.

Rothbard  posted on  2005-03-20   16:33:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: Rothbard (#18)

They wouldn't be deported. They would be held for ransom.

Mr Nuke Buzzcut  posted on  2005-03-20   16:45:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: Mr Nuke Buzzcut (#17)

I believe that TX has better gunshows than evidently does the great NW.

The internet, for me, is the best way to get pricing, and then I can make better choices when dealing with vendors, whether it be carbines, or cars.

Lod  posted on  2005-03-20   17:48:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: Rothbard (#18)

Nuke's got a point there.

Maybe we could just catapult all the litter and crap they leave here, back over the border, or take it to our nearest Mexican Embassy here.

I like the way you think, none-the-less.

Cheers.

Lod  posted on  2005-03-20   17:51:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: Don (#9)

I suspect we'll be looking for agitation/attacks/etc from the likes of the Shining Path terror groups and others such as that .

By the way, I read where Jeffrey Fields, an anti terrorist analysist has said that al qaida and some other group (maybe Hesbollah) are in south american countries now.

rowdee  posted on  2005-03-20   18:55:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: rowdee (#22)

Those groups are supposedly in the US. So, why haven't they done something in the US? I think that someone is being fed a line of bull.

Don  posted on  2005-03-20   20:19:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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