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Title: The great nutrient collapse
Source: politico
URL Source: http://www.politico.com/agenda/stor ... utrients-carbon-dioxide-000511
Published: Sep 14, 2017
Author: HELENA BOTTEMILLER EVICH
Post Date: 2017-09-14 14:56:45 by farmfriend
Keywords: None
Views: 221
Comments: 8

Irakli Loladze is a mathematician by training, but he was in a biology lab when he encountered the puzzle that would change his life. It was in 1998, and Loladze was studying for his Ph.D. at Arizona State University. Against a backdrop of glass containers glowing with bright green algae, a biologist told Loladze and a half-dozen other graduate students that scientists had discovered something mysterious about zooplankton.

Zooplankton are microscopic animals that float in the world’s oceans and lakes, and for food they rely on algae, which are essentially tiny plants. Scientists found that they could make algae grow faster by shining more light onto them— increasing the food supply for the zooplankton, which should have flourished. But it didn’t work out that way. When the researchers shined more light on the algae, the algae grew faster, and the tiny animals had lots and lots to eat—but at a certain point they started struggling to survive. This was a paradox. More food should lead to more growth. How could more algae be a problem?

Loladze was technically in the math department, but he loved biology and couldn’t stop thinking about this. The biologists had an idea of what was going on: The increased light was making the algae grow faster, but they ended up containing fewer of the nutrients the zooplankton needed to thrive. By speeding up their growth, the researchers had essentially turned the algae into junk food. The zooplankton had plenty to eat, but their food was less nutritious, and so they were starving.

Loladze used his math training to help measure and explain the algae-zooplankton dynamic. He and his colleagues devised a model that captured the relationship between a food source and a grazer that depends on the food. They published that first paper in 2000. But Loladze was also captivated by a much larger question raised by the experiment: Just how far this problem might extend.

“What struck me is that its application is wider,” Loladze recalled in an interview. Could the same problem affect grass and cows? What about rice and people? “It was kind of a watershed moment for me when I started thinking about human nutrition,” he said.

In the outside world, the problem isn’t that plants are suddenly getting more light: It’s that for years, they’ve been getting more carbon dioxide. Plants rely on both light and carbon dioxide to grow. If shining more light results in faster-growing, less nutritious algae—junk-food algae whose ratio of sugar to nutrients was out of whack—then it seemed logical to assume that ramping up carbon dioxide might do the same. And it could also be playing out in plants all over the planet. What might that mean for the plants that people eat?

What Loladze found is that scientists simply didn’t know. It was already well documented that CO2levels were rising in the atmosphere, but he was astonished at how little research had been done on how it affected the quality of the plants we eat. For the next 17 years, as he pursued his math career, Loladze scoured the scientific literature for any studies and data he could find. The results, as he collected them, all seemed to point in the same direction: The junk-food effect he had learned about in that Arizona lab also appeared to be occurring in fields and forests around the world. “Every leaf and every grass blade on earth makes more and more sugars as CO2 levels keep rising,” Loladze said. “We are witnessing the greatest injection of carbohydrates into the biosphere in human history―[an] injection that dilutes other nutrients in our food supply.”

He published those findings just a few years ago, adding to the concerns of a small but increasingly worried group of researchers who are raising unsettling questions about the future of our food supply. Could carbon dioxide have an effect on human health we haven’t accounted for yet? The answer appears to be yes—and along the way, it has steered Loladze and other scientists, directly into some of the thorniest questions in their profession, including just how hard it is to do research in a field that doesn’t quite exist yet.

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#1. To: farmfriend (#0)

It has been warm in the past ans much cooler. But there were no machines creating CO2 at that time. What we do have sun rays and cosmic radiatiion which are much more powerful predictors of changes om earth.

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Horse  posted on  2017-09-14   15:40:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Horse (#1)

It has been warm in the past ans much cooler. But there were no machines creating CO2 at that time. What we do have sun rays and cosmic radiatiion which are much more powerful predictors of changes om earth.

That's really beside the point of the article. It claims that CO2 levels in the atmosphere has been rising (I assume by very small but measurable amounts) and that that rise, no matter what the cause may be whether manmade or natural, impacts the nutrient quality of plants.

If earth's CO2 levels have, in fact, not been rising, then that should be contested.

Pinguinite  posted on  2017-09-14   17:35:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Pinguinite, farmfriend (#2)

Was there a decline during previous warm periods?

More importantly, CO2 is beneficial to plants. Greenhouse operators will buy CO2 if your price is right. Don't see how correlation can produce causation. Do an experiment in a greenhouse. Controlling for CO2 levels as the only variable. I doubt they will get their intended results.

In the 1930s a Senate panel determine that we had lost over 90% of the minerals in our top soil. Plowing and fertilizers were to blame not CO2

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Horse  posted on  2017-09-14   18:22:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Pinguinite, horse (#2)

CO2 is going up and it is attributed to anthropogenic sources. only small amounts come from man however the sinks have been taking care of everything produced by nature and half of what man produces. We are currently extremely low for the history of the planet. we were on the verge of starving vegetation before the current rise. I'm of the opinion we need to go higher.


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farmfriend  posted on  2017-09-14   19:08:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: farmfriend (#4)

We are currently extremely low for the history of the planet. we were on the verge of starving vegetation before the current rise. I'm of the opinion we need to go higher.

Truth bump.

Always remember that were it not for climate change, Chicago and most of this continent, would still be under a mile of ice.

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Lod  posted on  2017-09-14   19:25:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Horse (#3)

In the 1930s a Senate panel determine that we had lost over 90% of the minerals in our top soil. Plowing and fertilizers were to blame not CO2

When I was doing custom garden tilling as a young man in Chicago suburbs, I offered soil testing so people would get an idea what types of fertilizer to use.

One time I did a soil test for some people who claimed to be vegetarians. They refused to use blood meal for nitrogen content and would not go along with other things because of that peculiarity.

Of course I told them they would not be consuming the blood since it breaks down and releases nitrogen. So I was forced to put a dozen bales of peat moss into their garden.

The soils are depleted of nutrients long ago from the over use of chemical fertilizers.

Organic gardening is the best way to add essential nutrients to the soil and there are many other amenities which can be added to make the soil healthy for the plants and for people who consume the vegetables. ;)

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BTP Holdings  posted on  2017-09-14   19:39:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: BTP Holdings (#6)

Tree limbs and leaves make excellent soil in nature.

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Horse  posted on  2017-09-14   21:02:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Horse (#7)

leaves make excellent soil in nature

When I had my own garden I would rototill leaves into the soil to build it with nutrients. It was heavier clay soil in Chicago, and after a rain you could walk in the garden and not get mud on your boots. ;)

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BTP Holdings  posted on  2017-09-16   5:53:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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