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Title: WHY EVEN A SINGLE B2 COULD BE ENOUGH TO TAKE OUT NORTH KOREAN MILITARY?
Source: [None]
URL Source: https://youtu.be/MbI1fULINek?t=320
Published: Aug 1, 2017
Author: Defense Updates
Post Date: 2017-12-16 09:41:23 by BTP Holdings
Keywords: None
Views: 131
Comments: 21


Poster Comment:

Would the U.S. be so insane as to initiate a nuclear strike against North Korea? China needs to get moving and control Kim.

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#1. To: BTP Holdings (#0)

Yes, the MIC is insane enough for such a move.

“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken

Lod  posted on  2017-12-16   11:50:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Lod (#1)

the MIC is insane enough for such a move.

Putin has already warned us, "Hands off North Korea." ;)

"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke

BTP Holdings  posted on  2017-12-16   12:20:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Lod, All (#1)

The B-2s boast special shaping and coatings to help them avoid detection. They have dropped bombs during U.S. operations in Kosovo, Afghanistan, Iraq and Libya—sometimes flying non-stop from their main base in Missouri.

But the B-2s’ pilots—there have been only around 600—don’t get much practice. Their planes are complex, unreliable and too expensive to risk in everyday training.

Just nine or so B-2s are flight-ready at any given time. The rest are in maintenance or getting upgraded. A single hour of flying in a B-2 sets back the Air Force as much as $170,000—that’s 10 times what an A-10 attack jet costs.

“We have to be kind of careful with what we do,” B-2 pilot Capt. Dan St. Clair told Hunter. “Obviously we have to preserve [the B-2s]—an incredibly expensive bill was paid for them.”

St. Clair went on to say that B-2 pilots get to fly “between one and three” sorties per month. A single flight could last as many as 20 hours—or as few as three.

Cynicom  posted on  2017-12-16   13:06:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Cynicom (#3) (Edited)

A single hour of flying in a B-2 sets back the Air Force as much as $170,000

That is darn costly to fly them. But remember when they were dropping sonar buoys off the coast of Cuba to see if Soviet subs were operating in the area? They flew those missions out of Glenview NAS in Glenview, Illinois. That base is long closed now and I hear it is turned into a shopping center. We need more shopping malls, right Cyni?

When the base was open and operating, we would sometimes go in there for lunch. All we had to do was show our State I.D. and they would let us eat as contractors. The Swabies had some really good food. ;)

"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke

BTP Holdings  posted on  2017-12-16   14:00:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: BTP Holdings, Lod, All (#4)

Having been around such efforts dring first Korean war, what assets we use will be determined by whom the victim will be.

We have untold number of missiles waiting just minutes off shore, also near 300 low level aircraft for penetration.

My mind says the B2s would only be used if some third party were to raise their hand.

In all of this, we must remember, Putin does NOT want us to depart the Asian mainland.

Cynicom  posted on  2017-12-16   15:23:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: BTP Holdings (#0)

China needs to get moving and control Kim.

North Korea is the Chi-Coms junkyard dog.

“With the exception of Whites, the rule among the peoples of the world, whether residing in their homelands or settled in Western democracies, is ethnocentrism and moral particularism: they stick together and good means what is good for their ethnic group."
-Alex Kurtagic

X-15  posted on  2017-12-16   15:28:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: BTP Holdings (#0)

"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡

"Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God." -- Thomas Jefferson

ghostdogtxn  posted on  2017-12-16   20:43:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: ghostdogtxn (#7)

We attack N Korea and we will get our asses kicked.

By whom????

Cynicom  posted on  2017-12-16   20:57:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Cynicom (#8)

"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡

"Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God." -- Thomas Jefferson

ghostdogtxn  posted on  2017-12-16   23:44:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: ghostdogtxn (#9)

ChiComs aren't going to let us fuck around in their back yard.

The Chinks are scared to death of the round-eyes going on the warpath on their southwest border: their economy would collapse in the first 2 hours of a conflict.

“With the exception of Whites, the rule among the peoples of the world, whether residing in their homelands or settled in Western democracies, is ethnocentrism and moral particularism: they stick together and good means what is good for their ethnic group."
-Alex Kurtagic

X-15  posted on  2017-12-16   23:53:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: ghostdogtxn, X-15, Lod.All (#9)

Be another Vietnam, but without us having even the national will-we had in them days. Unless what we intend is just to drop bombs on them and then walk away.

This is a many faceted scenario, all probabilities have to be weighed with all possibilities.

Having been been involved with the military during the Korean war, I have at least a gnats eye view, of what was transpiring then and now.

One...MacArthur was correct. Lay a line of A bombs across the peninsula, shoot anyone that made it across. Otherwise, dont get involved in any Asian landmass ground war.

In 1950-54 I was young, ignorant, but a bit player in SACs A bomb delivery business. It was odd, prior to the war, our target was in Russia, the Koreans started a war, our target remained in Russia, the Chinese came in with a million men, our target remained in Russia. Never once was there the slightest hint of change, temporary or otherwise.

Fast forward til now. China wants us off the Asian mainland, out of the Western Pacific, for the same reasons the Japanese wanted us gone way back in 1941.....They cannot feed themselves and have no oil. Russia next door, has plenty of what China lacks.

Like Japan of yore, does China go North or South?

Russia does NOT want us to leave the mainland or the Pacific.

Cynicom  posted on  2017-12-17   3:44:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: X-15 (#10)

"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡

"Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God." -- Thomas Jefferson

ghostdogtxn  posted on  2017-12-17   16:18:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: BTP Holdings (#0)

China needs to get moving and control Kim.

Why is it their problem?

Ada  posted on  2017-12-17   18:04:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: Ada (#13)

Because it militarily destabilizes east Asia in China's chief trading zones, critically affecting shipping,business and investment patterns.

It's puts a lot of shit out of equilibrium and won't end well. We will yet see this pop.

Of all the enemies to public liberty war is, perhaps, the most to be dreaded. - James Madison

randge  posted on  2017-12-17   19:43:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: Ada (#13)

Why is it their problem?

"""Approximately 3 million Chinese troops took part in the war, and an estimated 400,000 to 1,000,000 were killed in the conflict."""

Cynicom  posted on  2017-12-17   21:06:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: randge (#14)

Because it militarily destabilizes east Asia in China's chief trading zones, critically affecting shipping,business and investment patterns.

Nonsense. NK isn't militarily destabilizing any country. All its doing is testing rockets which any country has a right to do. And which, incidentally, does not affect China's shipping patterns.

Ada  posted on  2017-12-18   9:14:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: Cynicom (#15)

Yes, it will be China's problem if we attack NK because she has promised to come to the aid of that country in that event. But there isn't much China can do to prevent a preemptive attack on the Hermit Kingdom.

China would be foolish to pressure NK into giving up its nukes because then we would be sure to attack just as we attacked Serbia, Libya,Iraq and Afghanistan who had no defense against us.

Ada  posted on  2017-12-18   9:18:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Ada (#17)

China would be foolish to pressure NK into giving up its nukes because then we would be sure to attack just as we attacked Serbia, Libya,Iraq and Afghanistan who had no defense against us.

That is skewed baseless thinking.

Cynicom  posted on  2017-12-18   9:24:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: ghostdogtxn (#9)

We would get our asses kicked.

That is a 100% accurate assessment.


"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination

FormerLurker  posted on  2017-12-18   10:52:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: Cynicom (#18)

We don't attack countries that can defend themselves.

Ada  posted on  2017-12-18   13:49:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: Ada (#16)

NK is a double edged sword for China.

It's an attack dog on a chain. It provides a long-standing buffer on China's front porch, but Nork is also an obstacle to integrating the other East Asian powers into it's orbit - which is the long-term goal.

Thinkin' in multi-decade and century realignments here.

Of all the enemies to public liberty war is, perhaps, the most to be dreaded. - James Madison

randge  posted on  2017-12-18   21:26:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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