the sun is below the ceiling or firmament. water is above the firmament according to Genesis. moon and sun are approx. 32 miles diameter each verifiable with a sextant and pythagoren theorem c squared equals a squ. plus b squ. you know... only works on a plane. plane sailing. celestial navigation. only works on a plane. compass. gyroscopes. sundials, lighthouses, persicopes only work on a plane. Earth is flat. they miseducated us. sorry i don't have the number answer for you too specific now. give me some time on that. i'm kinda high it's good weed