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Title: 9/11 footage faked? "no-planers" emerge - Your opinions?
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Published: Mar 11, 2006
Author: valis
Post Date: 2006-03-11 14:46:37 by valis
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Keywords: "no-planers", opinions?, footage
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It is beginning to appear to me that there may be some merit to the theory that al least one of the video containing footage of the second tower strike may have been synthetic. This is a highly controversial issue within the 9/11 truth community, with some saying that it makes the whole movement look like nutcases, and others insisting that every video of the second impact was faked. Please take a gander at the following links and tell me what you think.
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#1. To: All, *ARG List* (#0)
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"Debunking 'Caveman' conspiracy theories since 2002" On this one.. it seems the wing never comes in front of the building.. so this IMO just shows that the building is in the foreground.
I don't think so. Look again. That's a "tiny" building, perspective-wise. "Debunking 'Caveman' conspiracy theories since 2002" Whatever may be the reality of the "plane" strikes, no thinking person can believe that it was the planes that brought down the towers perfectly into their own footprints in ten seconds.
If all I've said doesn't mean anything to you, then forget it and we'll make it just this: I won't because all of me wants to, regardless of consequences, and because you counted on that with me the same as you counted on that with all the others.---Sam Spade to Brigid O'Shaughnessy in "The Maltese Falcon."
laughing, Peetie, i just hit reply to lodwick and was going to post {{clapping}} when i saw your jpeg.
It's strange how we seem to anticipate one another... ;)
If all I've said doesn't mean anything to you, then forget it and we'll make it just this: I won't because all of me wants to, regardless of consequences, and because you counted on that with me the same as you counted on that with all the others.---Sam Spade to Brigid O'Shaughnessy in "The Maltese Falcon."
Thanks guys. How long did that building in Madrid burn, and NOT collapse? Once I learned that we are the "enemies" of our government, and that we have staged every war, with the exception of Pancho Villa's little pissant incursion and the one in 1812, that we've ever been in, and learned to ask "who benefits?" did things became really clear.
How do we have Fourth of July cookouts without the stupid barbecue collapsing before the steak's done? The lighter fluid and charcoal's been heating and weakening the metal for a good while before we've even got the hamburger meat defrosted. The more I think about the fire/truss failure/pancake collapse theory, the more I wonder how the hell I could ever have fallen for it.
If all I've said doesn't mean anything to you, then forget it and we'll make it just this: I won't because all of me wants to, regardless of consequences, and because you counted on that with me the same as you counted on that with all the others.---Sam Spade to Brigid O'Shaughnessy in "The Maltese Falcon."
Yep Why doesn't the 1/16" frame on my kerosene heater melt after burning for 12 hours?
I'd say the wing is behind the building. The gap between the wing and the building on frames 3-5 is probably the second side of the building which just can't really be distinguished from the sky given the lighting.. The "cut" of the wing on frame three highlights the edge of the building between that face and the roof.
BTW: I have a better name for the software .... Microsoft Internet Exploder. We're not seeing the full frame shot. This is a snippet. Worst case scenario, It's fake in the first place.
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#2. To: valis (#0)
#3. To: Zipporah (#2)
On this one.. it seems the wing never comes in front of the building.. so this IMO just shows that the building is in the foreground.
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#4. To: valis (#0)
#5. To: lodwick (#4)
Whatever may be the reality of the "plane" strikes, no thinking person can believe that it was the planes that brought down the towers perfectly into their own footprints in ten seconds.
#6. To: Peetie Wheatstraw, lodwick (#5)
Whatever may be the reality of the "plane" strikes, no thinking person can believe that it was the planes that brought down the towers perfectly into their own footprints in ten seconds.
#7. To: christine (#6)
laughing, Peetie, i just hit reply to lodwick and was going to post {{clapping}} when i saw your jpeg.
#8. To: Peetie Wheatstraw. christine (#5)
#9. To: lodwick, christine (#8)
How long did that building in Madrid burn, and NOT collapse?
#10. To: Peetie Wheatstraw (#9)
How do we have Fourth of July cookouts without the stupid barbecue collapsing before the steak's done?
#11. To: valis (#3)
-- George Bonser
#12. To: Neil McIver (#11)
 | What's that Mr. Nipples? You want me to ask the nice lady about her rack?. |
#13. To: Peetie Wheatstraw (#9)
It was the mind-numbing shock and horror of the entire day that froze our cognitive reasoning ability. That, and most of us try to be good Christians, or good moral people, and just cannot conceive of the evil that is running the world, and who would stage such an event for their own benefit. We had not read the PNAC or P2OG documents to see where it was all laid out in plain sight, what they had in mind for us. Hell, until a couple of years ago, I still believed in Santa Claus. On the upside, people ARE waking up: this afternoon a retired LEO friend called to check in, and after visiting, and out of the blue, said, "Well, you are right. bush is the sorriest pos president that I've ever seen." This guy and his wife gave thousands to get him elected and bought into all the pubbie shit that they were shoveling at us, so I still have a smidgen of hope - but continue to purchase ammo. Cheers, PW.
The more I think about the fire/truss failure/pancake collapse theory, the more I wonder how the hell I could ever have fallen for it.
#14. To: Peetie Wheatstraw (#7)
next synchroneity! ;)
It's strange how we seem to anticipate one another...
#15. To: lodwick (#13)
that made me giggle.
Hell, until a couple of years ago, I still believed in Santa Claus.
#16. To: lodwick, Yertle Turtle (#13)
shhhhhh...little turtle still does.
Hell, until a couple of years ago, I still believed in Santa Claus.
#17. To: christine (#15)
Giggle? Hell, it made me cry my eyes out to learn the truth. God. We need to take a day off and go shooting while it's still under a hundred degrees here. Cheers, to you, and BigFella, and the critters.
that made me giggle.
#18. To: christine (#16)
Too cute. Thanks for the laugh. I needed one.
shhhhhh...little turtle still does.
#19. To: Peetie Wheatstraw (#9)
9/11 Humor - We laugh to keep from crying: A woman nearly froze to death while sitting in front of her wood burning stove. Paramedics said that her steel framed wood burning stove had 4 well seasoned oak logs inside of it. When asked why she did not light the wood on fire to warm herself she replied; “Obviously you haven’t read the 911 Commission report?” --- The owner of a 60 story steel framed sky scraper was arrested for arson when he allegedly set fires to the 2nd and 7th floors of his building. Lawyers for the suspect are arguing that their client has gone through the necessary channels to obtain the permits needed for controlled demolition of his own building. --- A man was arrested today after authorities had to evacuate several people from the back yard of the suspects home. Witnesses in the area are reporting that the suspect foolishly poured Kingsford lighter fluid directly onto a pile of coals in a multi level steel framed barbecue. Authorities believe that after setting the fire, the lid was then closed nearly all of the way down allowing only a small amount of oxygen to enter. NORAD scrambled fighter jets and flew them over the Atlantic ocean for approximately one hour. “It was a miracle nobody was injured!” said one eyewitness. Just as the last of the evacuee were whisked away, total collapse of the barbecue ensued. The top rack of the barbecue heated until it lost its load bearing strength causing it to crash down on to the next grill and so on and so on. As we have learned initial collapse of steel framed barbecues inevitably lead to total collapse. Nothing could have survived that fire said “Dr. Thomas Eagar.” Not surprisingly, the event triggered two coals to catch fire in another steel framed barbecue approximately 30 feet away. As expected the raging inferno caused complete and total collapse of that barbecue as well. Two military F16 fighters were seen flying over head after the second collapse. NORAD is investigating the route of the scrambled fighters claiming that the FAA may not have warned them in time. NORAD is also investigating whether or not they did indeed scramble any jets. Meanwhile President Bush has issued a stern warning to all evil doers. Bush said that he is ready to attack somebody someplace that has oil in order to protect American Sheeple. The American Sheeple are praising the administration for their handling of the situation. A spokesman at the pentagon said they were not sure about anything including the date displayed on their security video. The suspect is being held without bail until authorities get around to charging him with a crime. It is also being reported that the FBI found a barbecue manual in the suspects car. Depending upon the charges filed, He could face the maximum sentence allowed which is a date with Janet Reno. Conspiracy theorists are questioning the official story stating that no steel framed charcoal barbecue fire has ever caused a steel framed barbecue to collapse before.
How do we have Fourth of July cookouts without the stupid barbecue collapsing before the steak's done?
http://valis.gnn.tv/B12562 Today’s Headlines:
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#20. To: valis (#19)
Pereant qui ante nos nostra dixerunt!!! ----St. Jerome Rough translation: "To heck with those who've thought of our witticisms before we do!!!" ;)
If all I've said doesn't mean anything to you, then forget it and we'll make it just this: I won't because all of me wants to, regardless of consequences, and because you counted on that with me the same as you counted on that with all the others.---Sam Spade to Brigid O'Shaughnessy in "The Maltese Falcon."
#21. To: Neil McIver (#11)
I'll try to find the same clip elsewhere for comparison. Hang tight.
I'd say the wing is behind the building. The gap between the wing and the building on frames 3-5 is probably the second side of the building which just can't really be distinguished from the sky given the lighting.. The "cut" of the wing on frame three highlights the edge of the building between that face and the roof.
"Debunking 'Caveman' conspiracy theories since 2002"
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#22. To: Valis, Christine, Diana, Zipporah, robin, Zoroaster, BTP Holdings, Arator, Brian S, A K A Stone, Steppenwolf, Bub, mugwort, bluegrass, Bill D Berger, FormerLurker, Uncle Bill, Dakmar, Flintlock, Neil McIver, tom007, aristeides, Burkeman1, Diana, (#0)
Really great question there. Let's start with how they created those cute little punch-outs in the sides of the buildings. You know, the ones matching a 767 impact. Next, we have to figure out how they got all that fuel up that high, un- noticed; and then gave it a one-way forward 100-plus MPH velocity, as it was blowing out all the windows. Then, there was that pesky engine that passed through the building - caught on tape - and landed in the street; exactly where it was later discovered. Yep, we gotta take a close look at that tape image; it could be a fake, ya know? "...highly controversial..." my ass! This is a highly controversial issue within the 9/11 truth community, with some saying that it makes the whole movement look like nutcases, and others insisting that every video of the second impact was faked.
#23. To: Peetie Wheatstraw (#20)
LoL. You're quick.
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#24. To: SKYDRIFTER (#22)
From impact one or two?
Then, there was that pesky engine that passed through the building - caught on tape - and landed in the street; exactly where it was later discovered.
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#25. To: All (#24)
To reiterate, I understand what you are saying. I'm not ready to go so far as to say that ALL the video was faked. I'm saying that one of them might be. One step at a time...
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#26. To: valis (#24)
Impact two.
#27. To: Valis, Christine, Diana, Zipporah, robin, Zoroaster, BTP Holdings, Arator, Brian S, A K A Stone, Steppenwolf, Bub, mugwort, bluegrass, Bill D Berger, FormerLurker, Uncle Bill, Dakmar, Flintlock, Neil McIver, tom007, aristeides, Burkeman1, Diana, (#0)
It doesn't take a rocket scientist to realize that when you blow up a taped image to such extremes, that the algorithms compromise a lot of fine detail. Try blowing up a color graphic with your art program & see what gets compromised. This isn't a case of something caught on Kodak 1600 speed film.
#28. To: SKYDRIFTER (#27)
I do appreciate your opinion. Is there anything specific in some of the other links, (like Nico's) that you would care to debunk?
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#29. To: valis (#28)
I'm getting tired of debunking. If it doesn't bite me in the ass; I don't go looking for it.
#30. To: SKYDRIFTER (#29)
That's cool.
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#31. To: valis (#21)
Both planes were flying above all buildings save the WTC's, so the wing had to have passed above (behind) the building. Yes, seconding Sky's comments, it can really be counterproductive to believe every conspiracy theory. In fact, one could disrupt investigation into a true cover-up by proliferating a myriad of fake cover-up possibilities. Those prone to unrealistically believe the government is running a conspiracy behind every rock and tree then lose credibility in debunking the real one. Just because something could have been faked doesn't mean the US government did fake it. Just because evil was done doesn't mean Bush was responsible. Be objective.
BTW: I have a better name for the software .... Microsoft Internet Exploder.
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#32. To: lodwick (#13)
That, and most of us try to be good Christians, or good moral people, and just cannot conceive of the evil that is running the world, and who would stage such an event for their own benefit. We had not read the PNAC or P2OG documents to see where it was all laid out in plain sight, what they had in mind for us. Thanks for making me feel a little less foolish for being so retarded.
It was the mind-numbing shock and horror of the entire day that froze our cognitive reasoning ability.
Free nations are peaceful nations. Free nations don't attack each other. Free nations don't develop weapons of mass destruction. ~George W. Bush
#33. To: Neil McIver (#31)
I try. In my mind, one aspect of weighting all the options includes getting peer feedback from posting this here. Be objective.
Just because evil was done doesn't mean Bush was responsible.
Simply blaming a meat-puppet like Bush isn't going to accomplish anything. If you are paying attention, like i think you are, you'll see that this goes way beyond one administration.
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#34. To: valis (#33)
Can't ask for more that that. My comment wasn't directed to you specifically. Just a general note for any interested. Wasn't implying that you weren't being objective. If the government really did orchestrat 911, then it would pretty much have to go beyond one admin.
I try. In my mind, one aspect of weighting all the options includes getting peer feedback from posting this here.
If you are paying attention, like i think you are, you'll see that this goes way beyond one administration.
BTW: I have a better name for the software .... Microsoft Internet Exploder.
-- George Bonser
#35. To: SKYDRIFTER, Valis, Christine, Diana, Zipporah, robin, Zoroaster, BTP Holdings, Arator, Brian S, A K A Stone, Steppenwolf, Bub, mugwort, bluegrass, Bill D Berger, FormerLurker, Uncle Bill, Dakmar, Flintlock, Neil McIver, tom007, aristeides, Burkeman1, all (#22)
Pure sidestreet garbage. All the morons coming up with this shit need to stop. Lasers beams, pods, napalm, etc, its retarded. Sky, I`ve been researching a little more, and I am leaning toward a A3 dressed up as a airliner and a missile strike on the Pentagon. Mark
#36. To: Kamala (#35)
With no forward-moving damage being evident, you've got your work cut out for you. Add that the damage is at ground level - how do you get a wing through the obstacles & hit the building at ground level? Again, no suggestion of forward-moving damage. Then the business about no evidence of jet fuel, etc. Good luck! I`ve been researching a little more, and I am leaning toward a A3 dressed up as a airliner and a missile strike on the Pentagon.
#37. To: robin (#32)
We've learned a lot in the last (almost) five years, and while this house of cards won't come down as quickly as did the WTC, we can just keep trying to get the word out, so that it DOES come down. As long as the internet remains up and running, I believe that we have a good shot at it.
Thanks for making me feel a little less foolish for being so retarded.
#38. To: lodwick (#37)
I don't know about you people, but how it was done and whether it was done by a laser beam from the planet Zogor an Emperor Ming space craft, doesn't really bother me , the question is 'why' and 'who benefits'? I'd personally rather keep that target more in sight, not the sci-fi distractions.
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