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Title: Time to retire outside the US? Study finds you can live abroad for just $30,000 a year - and here is where you can live on a budget and in comfort
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URL Source: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art ... st-cities-retire-30K-year.html
Published: Jul 9, 2018
Author: Megan Sheets For Dailymail.com
Post Date: 2018-07-09 08:01:01 by Ada
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Comments: 55

A study by International Living identified five places for people to retire on just $30,000 per year

The outlet named, in order, Mafra, Portugal; Cuenca, Ecuador; Central Valley, Costa Rica; Pedasí, Panama; and Phnom Penh, Cambodia

Each city is estimated to cost a single person between $1,150 - $840 per month

A new study has ranked the five best cities to retire in on only $30,000 per year - and none of them are in the US.

Planning for retirement has long been known as a complicated and frustrating endeavor fraught with uncertainty, especially given that the average monthly social security check is only $1,404.

According to the Social Security Administration, more than 40 percent of single adults receive more than 90 percent of their income from that monthly social security check.

A study by International Living has identified the five best places in the world where that check will go far enough to live comfortably.

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Do you have an opinion as to which country is the best for expats on limited income?

Ada  posted on  2018-07-09   13:29:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Not a bad choice but not the best, in my view

At the moment (things can change) what is the best?

Ada  posted on  2018-07-09   13:30:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Secondly,WHY the hell would ANYONE want to live in those shitholes? The poor ignorant peasants that do live there dream of being able to escape.

What an absolutely ignorant and unadulterated load of CRAP!

All due respect, generally speaking, but you are so wrong it's laughable.

I have lived in CR and now Panama for the last decade.

I am literally a half hr boat ride to Pedasi.

You are so wrong that it boggles my mind.

"Define yourself as one beloved by God. This is the true self. Every other identity is illusion."—Brennan Manning

Rotara  posted on  2018-07-09   14:07:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Interesting comments. I didn't read the entire bit by "Dr John", but he apparently based his comments on a 2 week stint in Ecuador, and also from talking with lawyers. The top comment I saw afterwards by a 4-year resident pretty much sums up my response. This guy obviously has almost no first hand experience with Ecuador, and IMO can't speak authoritatively on it. But I can.

Ecuador indeed has, to a large degree Marxist sentiment. I absolutely do have my criticisms of Ecuador and that is one of them. But *why* does it have that? In fact I believe much of Latin America does that sentiment.

The reason, IMO, is because there is not much in the way of a middle class here. There is no industrial sector here providing quality jobs for a substantial segment of the population. There never has been. The USA was the first country in the world to have an industrial revolution and the benefits of that are still present today. A second problem: Ecuadorians are terrible business people. They have no clue. And naturally these clueless people end up in government making laws that they stupidly think will help workers, which instead dissuade business people from hiring.

Both of those issues are serious problems here, and when anyone thinks long enough about how they don't have what they want to have, what other well-to-do people have, naturally, they'll find a ring of truth with Marxist sentiments, and that will take root socially. When you understand that, you gain an insight into how & why people think they way they do, which makes it easier to deal with on a personal level.

There's also a lack of trust. You cannot trust Ecuadorians as you can trust most gringos. This also makes it harder for small businesses to run. Many small business are truly "family" businesses that don't have employees that are unrelated to the family. This is an ethics issue and is certainly a drawback for living here.

On the other hand, if you have even an average US income, you can live very nicely in Ecuador, in the upper class. You can have a nice home, nice car, and most all the conveniences of luxury US living if that's what you want.

In my opinion, every country has some advantage over every other country. No place is perfect, so on a great many metrics, the US has disadvantages that can be beat elsewhere. In Ecuador, food is abundant and there is little, if any, industrial food production operations. Food here is farmed the old fashioned way, much of it in the Andes mountains where heavy equipment won't work too well. GMO foods, to my knowledge, don't exist here, which is a BIG big plus.

As I mentioned, cops are cool, ordinary people. They won't gun you down for pulling out a cell phone.

Another refreshing thing is knowing that any taxes you pay don't get spent on bombing Pakistani wedding parties or Syrian air fields, or funding Israel's ambitions. All taxes to Ecuador stay in Ecuador, which is just a really refreshing sentiment. Granted, yes, there is corruption and some of that tax money is taken accordingly. But again, no place is perfect.

Back to "Dr. John", if you are looking for ideal political structures as he seemed to be focused on, Ecuador probably isn't for you, though in practice, I would say Ecuador is more libertarian than the USA is, in spite of the Marxist sentiment in society.

Pinguinite  posted on  2018-07-09   14:19:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

At the moment (things can change) what is the best?

I think the main disadvantage of Cuenca is the climate. While not bad at all for Americans from New England, Washington State and between, Cuenca has 4 rivers running through it and it rains a lot, so it's a cooler place to live. Most of the expats that live there are retired (a natural fallout from the campaign work of International Living magazine) so if you are younger and looking for a social life with English speaking fellow Americans, it may not work out too well in Cuenca.

I personally don't like city living. Cuenca is more like a big town so that's a plus, but living near a big city for its amenities, though outside it at a suitable altitude (altitude determines climate) is the way to go. Quito has that.

I would never want to live in Guayaquil, which is the sea level port city. I've been there and it's very hot with high crime. The Andes mountains offers a very comfortable climate year round, even on the equator.

I have thought of Belize as a place to go to, mainly as it's an English speaking country and I'd appreciate the practical benefits of being able to speak more freely to people. A great tourist country but doubtless with mosquitos and bugs that I don't have to deal with in the Andes mountains.

Pinguinite  posted on  2018-07-09   14:33:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Do you have an opinion as to which country is the best for expats on limited income?

In Ecuador, the dollar goes about 3x further than in the USA and I understand in Puru, it goes even farther, as women there will come to Ecuador for seasons to work as nannies and home keepers. Better yet, I have had someone tell me that in Bolivia, a US dollar buys you so much it's embarrassing. Bolivia is land locked however, but that the city of Santa Cruz is largely European in culture, as opposed to the more indigenous culture that is common in the country. (Whatever cultural or racial differences exist between blacks and whites in the USA, the difference between indigenous and European/American cultured people is far, far more extreme. There's little to no societal integration between them, though I don't think either culture sees this as any problem at all. There is no animosity at all but no real integration either).

Pinguinite  posted on  2018-07-09   14:41:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

All due respect, generally speaking, but you are so wrong it's laughable.

In general, I don't hold it against Americans for being ill-informed about expat living. Most simply have never done it, or only taken short trips and seen some squalor conditions. The semi-derogatory term "3rd world country" also conotates a sense of much to be desired.

I'm sure you'd agree that once you live in a foreign country, you gain a certainly extra dimensional view of the US culture. You get to see what aspects of American living is distinctly American and what aspects are more generally human. Without that perspective, an American just views everything as generally human and anything different as substandard. I won't speak to Sneaky's knowledge of expat living, but as a general rule, I'm inclined to cut people some slack when they have ill-informed views of other countries.

Pinguinite  posted on  2018-07-09   14:52:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Well said and I agree.

I just have some expectations for certain otherwise fairly intelligent and well informed ppl that they would not make such slanderous and erroneus comments out of thin air since they obviously are out of their experience and knowledge zone.

Sidebar: Costa Ricans and Panamanians are not clamoring to get into America. The data backs me up.

"Define yourself as one beloved by God. This is the true self. Every other identity is illusion."—Brennan Manning

Rotara  posted on  2018-07-09   15:11:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

No, not paradise, but certainly lots of advantages over USA living.

I don't see any advantages. You can find nice weather anywhere you go in the US. If it isn't naturally nice,you can adapt to it using AC and heat.

Good luck when you hit the ER in the 3rd World.

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.

sneakypete  posted on  2018-07-09   15:25:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Thanks for that nice ample reply. You mention the lack of need of air conditioning -- Frank and Angie were surprised by the winter cold in Cuenca, and the lack of heating in many dwellings. What's your area like in the winter?

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NeoconsNailed  posted on  2018-07-09   15:29:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

And why would that be in your view? Do you live in CR as I recall?

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USA! USA! USA! Bringing you democracy, or else! there were strains of VD that were incurable, and they were first found in the Philippines and then transmitted to the Korean working girls via US military. The 'incurables' we were told were first taken back to a military hospital in the Philippines to quietly die. – 4um

NeoconsNailed  posted on  2018-07-09   15:34:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Not just the money but the Mexican government apparently leaves them alone.

One of my distant relatives by marriage moved to Mexico when he was in his 60's,and ended up marrying a Mexican woman. Last time I spoke with him was about 15 years ago when he came north to visit his brother,and he seemed happy to be living there. Of course a HUGE advantage to living in Mexico is if you get seriously ill or injured you can easily cross the border for better medical care.

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.

sneakypete  posted on  2018-07-09   15:38:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I have lived in CR and now Panama for the last decade.

I am literally a half hr boat ride to Pedasi.

You are so wrong that it boggles my mind.

Good for you,and with no inconveniences at all!

Get back with me when you get seriously ill and need medical care.

Providing of course that you survive.

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.

sneakypete  posted on  2018-07-09   15:41:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Another refreshing thing is knowing that any taxes you pay don't get spent on bombing Pakistani wedding parties or Syrian air fields, or funding Israel's ambitions.

There is one thing I think our Congresscritters need here in the U.S. They need to be sent a copy of Crockett's Sockdolager. This is a tale of how a house burned down in D.C. And Congress rushed to pass a bill as relief for a woman who live there and was a widow with children.

Davey Crockett was a Congressman at the time and he voted for the bill. He was back in his district and riding along a road in a far reaches of his district in a very rural area. There was a farmer plowing his fields. And he timed his gait so they would meet at the fence.

He was surprised the farmer knew who he was and he admonished him for voting to give money to a widow who did not deserve it.

SOCKDOLAGER—A Tale of Davy Crockett, Charity and Congress

"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke

BTP Holdings  posted on  2018-07-09   16:49:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Sorry Pete, Emergency Room service isn't my driving concern in life 😂

I've received stitches, mended bones and even had a child born down here.

Service and quality all nearly identical to the same in USA Inc.

"Define yourself as one beloved by God. This is the true self. Every other identity is illusion."—Brennan Manning

Rotara  posted on  2018-07-09   17:09:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Emergency Room service isn't my driving concern in life

I've been in ER here where I live a few times for burst blood vessel in my ankles or thereabouts. One time doctor put a few stitches in. They took them out at wound clinic. Every time I end up there it costs me $80. It is $50 for specialist and $30 for primary care physician. ;)

"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke

BTP Holdings  posted on  2018-07-09   17:17:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I don't see any advantages.

Well... no GMO's here. Enjoy your cornflakes.

You can find nice weather anywhere you go in the US.

Provided you keep moving seasonally, as some retirees do to their Florida homes.

Where I am, no AC or heat needed 24/7/365. Every day is spring time.

Good luck when you hit the ER in the 3rd World.

I'm more concerned about what happens until that time comes. How's the immortality rate in the USA? hehe

Pinguinite  posted on  2018-07-09   17:49:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Thanks for that nice ample reply. You mention the lack of need of air conditioning -- Frank and Angie were surprised by the winter cold in Cuenca, and the lack of heating in many dwellings. What's your area like in the winter?

That's what I was saying about Cuenca. It is a cooler place to live as it's kinda high altitude and rains a lot. People who are especially sensitive to air that is a bit cooler and wetter would be better off in other areas. Not that it ever snows. Not even close, but it's not the tropics either.

In "winter" though that's not a fair name for it, it does rain more from around October to May. That's when the Pacific waters are warmer and more humidity rolls in. But even in that time of year, mornings are usually sunny so we still get a good dose of vitamin D.

I've only been to Cuenca once for a weekend, but feel where I am near Quito is a bit better than Cuenca.

Pinguinite  posted on  2018-07-09   17:54:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

You can find nice weather anywhere you go in the US.

Yeah, that is stinky's biggest whopper of the day -- so far. As far as I can tell, ameriKa is cursed with horrible, extreme weather for a chunk of every year without exception.

You mention "a social life with English speaking fellow Americans". Are there numbers of decent, non touristy, non-tacky US expats in Quito?

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USA! USA! USA! Bringing you democracy, or else! there were strains of VD that were incurable, and they were first found in the Philippines and then transmitted to the Korean working girls via US military. The 'incurables' we were told were first taken back to a military hospital in the Philippines to quietly die. – 4um

NeoconsNailed  posted on  2018-07-09   17:56:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Let's put our cards on the table -- how cold does it get?

Amazingly, per wikid, the avg daily high is 69-70 year-round and the low 49-50. I've never seen such consistent, agreeable figures in my decade of expat research except magical Boquete, natch.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quito#Clima te

Do you add sweaters evenings, start a fire? Does anybody have (don't laugh) central heating.

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USA! USA! USA! Bringing you democracy, or else! there were strains of VD that were incurable, and they were first found in the Philippines and then transmitted to the Korean working girls via US military. The 'incurables' we were told were first taken back to a military hospital in the Philippines to quietly die. – 4um

NeoconsNailed  posted on  2018-07-09   18:01:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Do you add sweaters evenings, start a fire?

In the evening it's good to put on a sweatshirt or similar. Sometimes wool socks are good. That's with non-insulated houses.

I'll be doing some camping with friends and a campfire is always good, of course.

Does anybody have (don't laugh) central heating.

I don't know of any one with it where I live. Down at sea level, AC is needed. At least in the cities or inland. If you are on the actual coast, you don't really need it. It seems the ocean does a good job of regulating the air temps.

Pinguinite  posted on  2018-07-09   18:17:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Yeah, that is stinky's biggest whopper of the day -- so far. As far as I can tell, ameriKa is cursed with horrible, extreme weather for a chunk of every year without exception.

On the flip side, there is something to be said about a changing climate. Different seasons give different opportunity. Sometimes I miss that crisp Autumn air, the first warm day after winter melting leftover snow... long summer days when the sun sets at 9 PM... There's something to be said for changing climates and the different opportunities they bring.

You mention "a social life with English speaking fellow Americans". Are there numbers of decent, non touristy, non-tacky US expats in Quito?

My Spanish is not nearly as good as it should be for the time I've been here. It's just my handicap as a math oriented guy. And that has caused a bit of isolation. I am in a social club for expats, and that pretty much is my social life right now. The restriction is why I've considered relocating to Belize. The biggest negative for me here is the language barrier.

Pinguinite  posted on  2018-07-09   18:24:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I would not feel safe overseas where whites are a minority and there is no armed force willing to protect me and my property. And after the Dollar Dies, dollars won't be valuable overseas.

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Horse  posted on  2018-07-09   18:30:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Get back with me when you get seriously ill and need medical care.

Not to be morbid or to ridicule your age, if it's what I suspect and perhaps recall from prior discussion, but by the time I get seriously ill, you might already be dead, even with American medical care.

My point being: You won't live forever, at least in your current human shell. None of us will. If you are already in a situation where you need frequent high quality American medical care, then fine, I can see how leaving isn't a very good option. On the other hand, life is about living, and that means more than a beating heart. Is it not better to live a full life, doing what you want and dying at 75 rather than living to 90, but restricted in various ways?

Pinguinite  posted on  2018-07-09   18:31:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I would not feel safe overseas where whites are a minority and there is no armed force willing to protect me and my property. And after the Dollar Dies, dollars won't be valuable overseas.

I'm uncertain the US military would place your life & property very high on their priority. list.

If the dollar dies, being overseas may be safer than being in the USA.

Pinguinite  posted on  2018-07-09   18:33:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Now that's interesting. BZ was kinda the first country to fire my expat pals' imaginations. It's a nice peaceful place not so far from "home", but still rather 3rd- world. The capitol is very primitive and the coastal places popular with foreigners are subject to hurricanes.

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USA! USA! USA! Bringing you democracy, or else! there were strains of VD that were incurable, and they were first found in the Philippines and then transmitted to the Korean working girls via US military. The 'incurables' we were told were first taken back to a military hospital in the Philippines to quietly die. – 4um

NeoconsNailed  posted on  2018-07-09   18:34:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

That's all true. When does the US military protect anything or anybody American? Our rights and property are being stolen while the troops are off messing other countries over.

There's sure to be chaos and bloodshed galore in the US when the welfare chex dry up.

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USA! USA! USA! Bringing you democracy, or else! there were strains of VD that were incurable, and they were first found in the Philippines and then transmitted to the Korean working girls via US military. The 'incurables' we were told were first taken back to a military hospital in the Philippines to quietly die. – 4um

NeoconsNailed  posted on  2018-07-09   18:36:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Now that's interesting. BZ was kinda the first country to fire my expat pals' imaginations. It's a nice peaceful place not so far from "home", but still rather 3rd- world. The capitol is very primitive and the coastal places popular with foreigners are subject to hurricanes.

Yes, I understand it to be somewhat closer to Gilligan's Island than other places. One's first car may well be a golf cart.

It's peaceful, but maybe too peaceful. Hurricanes, sure. But no earthquakes which Ecuador does have, so at least you get warning before they hit.

Pinguinite  posted on  2018-07-09   18:37:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I would not feel safe overseas where whites are a minority and there is no armed force willing to protect me and my property. And after the Dollar Dies, dollars won't be valuable overseas.

Wow. I've been the distinct minority everywhere I've gone the last 10 years and needless to say I don't just get by on my good looks. All, including every single one, of my friends are brown or black.

Not much material wealth here but lots of great spirits, very real people.

I find racism to be 100 times more of an issue 'up there' than it is down here.

But then again, I love my neighbors irrespective of their color, education or social position.

"Define yourself as one beloved by God. This is the true self. Every other identity is illusion."—Brennan Manning

Rotara  posted on  2018-07-09   18:49:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Here it is widely known that the CIA is the ameriKan Cocaine Importation Agency. The big Colombian cartels all operate here and at the highest levels there is both coordination and cooperation.

Amazing what the world is really like outside of the Soviet American bubble.

"Define yourself as one beloved by God. This is the true self. Every other identity is illusion."—Brennan Manning

Rotara  posted on  2018-07-09   18:52:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Now that's true. You're reminding me of the main reason I simply crost Ecuador off the list years back!

The tragedy of so many otherwise inviting locales is that they're are cursed by these natural conditions -- and not every 5,000 years either. Hurricane Hattie virtually destroyed Belize City in 1961, the year after Chile saw the greatest earthquake ever recorded. "The resulting tsunami affected southern Chile, Hawaii, Japan, the Philippines, eastern New Zealand, southeast Australia and the Aleutian Islands" -- wikid.

For such reasons my explorations have ended in no change of location -- so far.... how did you get interested in Ecuador, or in emigrating for that matter?

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USA! USA! USA! Bringing you democracy, or else! there were strains of VD that were incurable, and they were first found in the Philippines and then transmitted to the Korean working girls via US military. The 'incurables' we were told were first taken back to a military hospital in the Philippines to quietly die. – 4um

NeoconsNailed  posted on  2018-07-09   18:55:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Where is here, once again?

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USA! USA! USA! Bringing you democracy, or else! there were strains of VD that were incurable, and they were first found in the Philippines and then transmitted to the Korean working girls via US military. The 'incurables' we were told were first taken back to a military hospital in the Philippines to quietly die. – 4um

NeoconsNailed  posted on  2018-07-09   19:03:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Yeah, that is stinky's biggest whopper of the day -- so far. As far as I can tell, ameriKa is cursed with horrible, extreme weather for a chunk of every year without exception.

Yeah,I know. Everything in America sucks,doesn't it? If ONLY we had a Fuehrer!

Hoping to find some of your BundFathers down south,Klaus?

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.

sneakypete  posted on  2018-07-09   21:46:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

You're still whinging about that?

Better check your family tree again ;-}

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USA! USA! USA! Bringing you democracy, or else! there were strains of VD that were incurable, and they were first found in the Philippines and then transmitted to the Korean working girls via US military. The 'incurables' we were told were first taken back to a military hospital in the Philippines to quietly die. – 4um

NeoconsNailed  posted on  2018-07-09   21:48:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

. BZ was kinda the first country to fire my expat pals' imaginations

A brief look around suggested a police state but that would be misleading. Armed police checking out bus passengers before departure and cars pulled over for police examination. And, of course, bars on the windows of houses but that's the case south of the border and in some places in the US.

The police, however, are not interested in most Americans. The problem is that Belize is a stopping off point on the SA to US drug route and the country is serious about stopping it.

And if you are seriously ill, treatment is getting on the next plane to Miami.

Ada  posted on  2018-07-10   7:45:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Better check your family tree again ;-}

My family tree is entirely Nazi-Free.

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.

sneakypete  posted on  2018-07-10   9:46:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

To those hydrophobic about 'em, they're lurking behind every bush and cellar door.

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USA! USA! USA! Bringing you democracy, or else! there were strains of VD that were incurable, and they were first found in the Philippines and then transmitted to the Korean working girls via US military. The 'incurables' we were told were first taken back to a military hospital in the Philippines to quietly die. – 4um

NeoconsNailed  posted on  2018-07-10   12:17:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

If it's like Panama, those police are doing what those here refuse to -- trying to root out those there illegally. I appreciated it in PA because it's what works a peaceable, sane country. As you indicate, it's another need/problem the US is foisting on them.

Yep, bars on the windows in Panama and even more in Costa Rica where they're ugly as heck and might as well be walls.

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USA! USA! USA! Bringing you democracy, or else! there were strains of VD that were incurable, and they were first found in the Philippines and then transmitted to the Korean working girls via US military. The 'incurables' we were told were first taken back to a military hospital in the Philippines to quietly die. – 4um

NeoconsNailed  posted on  2018-07-10   12:29:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

That's a tough one because costs keep going up. If I had to leave the US I'd choose Panama, but wish like heck Uruguay or CR would work. Paraguay is problematic but apparently poised to be the next Uruguay.

Except for various special challenges (quakes, higher COL, banking stinks), Chile would be a closest thing to the 1st world. Arica in the far north end is a weather paradise with a lovely mellow lifestyle.

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USA! USA! USA! Bringing you democracy, or else! there were strains of VD that were incurable, and they were first found in the Philippines and then transmitted to the Korean working girls via US military. The 'incurables' we were told were first taken back to a military hospital in the Philippines to quietly die. – 4um

NeoconsNailed  posted on  2018-07-10   12:39:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Any time that you see bars on doors and windows, and masonry fences with glass shards embedded on the top, it's all for a very good reason.

“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken

Lod  posted on  2018-07-10   12:44:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

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