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Title: 4um has a New Sheriff
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Published: Jul 9, 2018
Author: Pinguinite
Post Date: 2018-07-10 00:22:39 by Pinguinite
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Actually the title isn't entirely true because I've technically been the sheriff for a number of months already, since I received the blessing directly from the royal Christine herself! But I'm going to start acting like one a bit more. I've done this before so I've got the experience. I already expect half of you will disagree with me every time I do something and that's okay. Just know in advance that I'm going to decide things and do what I think is right for purposes that answer to my own inclinations and that I'll make no effort beyond which my own curiosity compels me to to listen to contrary opinions. That said, no more "nigger" references on 4um. Does it offend me? No, but I'm not black so maybe it wouldn't. Does it offend others? Of course. Should it? In my opinion, probably not as much as it does. American culture has certainly demonized the term to a fanatical level, even more so than "shit" and "fuck" to the point where they usually bleep it not with a single asterisk, but four! Would it be better for both blacks and whites if the term wasn't treated with such strong negative reverence? I think so, yes. Is it my job, or the purpose of 4um, to correct American culture on this point? No, it isn't. Here's the deal: As I'm in charge, I'm semi-responsible for content here. I'm also considering xferring 4um to my own server. As such, its content has the potential to reflect upon me personally. In fact, once it did. I am a software development freelancer and I was showing 4um to a potential client who wanted some web work. At one point, after 30-45 mins of positive discussion, shortly after I referred him to 4um, he suddenly cut off the phone conversation with no explanation and never called me back. My #1 guess is he saw something racial here and was offended and wrongly decided that what he saw was endorsed by me, even though I was only trying to show the technical capabilities of the site. So... someone writing something racial here really did hurt my livelihood. It hurt me personally, in the wallet. On top of that, such references will discourage most new people from signing up here as most people are decent people, for the most part. And having more people sign up is a good thing, generally. And I won't expect everyone to have a perfect outlook on life to sign up. I don't want someone *overly* offended by the "nigger" word to be dissuaded from joining. The term won't attract new people, it will only push most people away, so I don't want it here. Period, end of story. I'll make up new rules, and change them, sometimes quite unfairly and without rhyme or reason as we play the game, and I'll do so completely without apology. Thanks and enjoy your day.
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That leaves out a lot of American history, books, nursery rhymes, and music lyrics. For the record it's the equivalent of book burning, not good. That's okay. 4um is not a backup library site. If you want to link to such books, go for it.
Nazis and students burn books on a huge bonfire of 'anti-German' literature in the Opernplatz, Berlin, in 1933. I gotta laugh!!! Have a good one, Hondo.
4um's one of the last bastions of truly free and civil speech online. If that means keeping it where it is, Ping, I beg you to do so. Not sure it will ever work as reference to clients even without that article? The surge in activity since July 4 is phenomenal, despite or because of people's total frankness (and priceless humor) on the big hot-button issues. I count 22 regular participants and 12 occasionals just lately. Thanks so much. _____________________________________________________________ USA! USA! USA! Bringing you democracy, or else! there were strains of VD that were incurable, and they were first found in the Philippines and then transmitted to the Korean working girls via US military. The 'incurables' we were told were first taken back to a military hospital in the Philippines to quietly die. – 4um
Thanks for the comment. I do respect ideals and principles, but I also recognize the practical. And practically speaking, do you seriously suggest that 34 participants on a forum accessible worldwide is anything to champion? Does my decision to not allow the word "nigger" really warrant comparisons to mass Nazi book burnings? Does it not matter to you that it is the owner and NOT the anonymous participants who will be first in line to be held accountable for what all of you anonymous posters say here? (and something to which I have already been held accountable?) Do you acknowledge my own right to restrict content as part of MY free speech right, and my right of association? Food for thought?
Considering what 4um was down to mere months ago, Ping? The world is never going to beat a path to our door. Have never had the perception that this was a cherished goal. I didn't call you a book burner, which you got a good laugh out of. All I'm saying is how will it work to take a site crammed with political incorrectness -- "hate" to liberals and brainwashed others -- and expect clients from the general public not to be offended? The whole idea here is freewheeling freedom of speech, and if that changes it won't be 4um anymore. I'm not objecting to your removing the "n" article, but it sounds like you're planning to take 4um in radical new directions for personal reasons. You replied, I trust you're open to my replies in a spirit of (as always!) friendly give-and- take. There's no need to get defensive, amigo. _____________________________________________________________ USA! USA! USA! Bringing you democracy, or else! there were strains of VD that were incurable, and they were first found in the Philippines and then transmitted to the Korean working girls via US military. The 'incurables' we were told were first taken back to a military hospital in the Philippines to quietly die. – 4um
Your lost client was a Zionist Jooooo. 😂😂😂 Man did you open pandohrah'z box !! 😁😁 I rarely participate on here anymore. I occasionally will use profanity. I do not use racial slurs. I do not think they enhance any dialogue. Hearing about the Jews is also kind of starting to wear a little thin with me. Politics in general along with the perpetual fear mongering has pretty well ruined the internet for me since Obama's administration. The reason? The uptick in dishonest reporting and sensational nonsense that has never come true. Hillary Clinton will never go to prison, nor will any politician of note. While it seems that we all know there are two tiers to our justice system, it is not healthy to always try to get the hopes up of people who do not know any better and to see that hope crushed. Basically the only thing I come here for is to occasionally check to see what actual honest news I can find, and information on health supplements which have been pretty decent for the most part. I used to be online a lot, and used to talk to people more than I do now. I stopped when I was shown that my words on the web apparently have consequences. No matter how inane, your words follow you. We all have stalkers by the way. This 30 plus member group does indeed have a fan club. At any rate I agree with Neil. As much as I like free speech, I also like intellect. Leave the racist nonsense at the door. There are plenty of other sites for that. "Call Me Ishmael" -Ishmael, A character from the book "Moby Dick" 1851. "Call Me Fishmeal" -Osama Bin Laden, A character created by the CIA, and the world's Hide And Seek Champion 2001-2011. -Tommythemadartist
The new sheriff is a (ding . . .dong).
Excellent thoughts and points, thank you.
“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken
I agree with Ping. You're gonna have to learn to go with something more subtle. Should make for an interesting debate when he goes after the J-word, though. I'll stick around for that. :p
Lol. Love the movie references.
Negroid (also known as Congoid[1]) is a grouping of human beings historically regarded as a biological taxon.[2] The term has been used by forensic and physical anthropologists to refer to individuals and populations that share certain morphological and skeletal traits that are frequent among populations in most of Sub-Saharan Africa and isolated parts of South and Southeast Asia (Negritos).[3][4] Within Africa, a racial dividing line separating Caucasoid physical types from Negroid physical types was held to have existed, with Negroid groups forming most of the population south of the area which stretched from the southern Sahara desert in the west to the African Great Lakes in the southeast.[5] First introduced in early racial science and anthropometry, Negroid denoted one of the three purported major races of humankind (alongside Caucasoid and Mongoloid).[6] Many social scientists have argued that such analyses are rooted in sociopolitical and historical processes rather than in empirical observation.[7] However, Negroid as a biological classification remains in use in forensic anthropology.[8] “The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken
You are just getting wood at the thought of attracting enough Nazi's here that you can all play dress-up and have a parade. Nazism is a disease,and Nazi's are germs. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.
Same here. ESPECIALLY when those loons claim they are different than the Soviets in any important way. I will eventually get fed up with outraged screams about "De Jews iz coming Boss,de Jews!",and quit posting or even lurking here again until I get bored and come back to see if the loons are still here,or if it is a place not to be confused with a Nazi Fantasy Island. And I'm not even Jewish,or have any particular love for Jews as a people. I just don't hate them as a people,and have had good friends that were Jewish. I have also had good friends that were black,Asian,Mexican,and any other group of humanity you want to mention except for Eskimo. That doesn't mean I love everybody because I don't. It just means I don't hate everybody. I DO hate totalitarian governments that enslave and brutalize their people who dream of being able to brutalize and enslave the whole world,though. And my considerations for those fools that idolize those politics doesn't even rise to the level of contempt. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.
Oh, god. It's the other "n-word." Of all the enemies to public liberty war is, perhaps, the most to be dreaded. - James Madison
Obs... """Censorship is the suppression of speech, public communication, or other information, on the basis that such material is considered objectionable, harmful, sensitive, or "inconvenient" as determined by government authorities. Governments and private organizations may engage in censorship. Other groups or institutions may propose and petition for censorship. When an individual such as an author or other creator engages in censorship of their own works or speech, it is referred to as self-censorship. Censorship could be direct or indirect, in which case it is referred to as soft censorship. It occurs in a variety of different media, including speech, books, music, films, and other arts, the press, radio, television,.... and the Internet for a variety of claimed reasons..... including national security, to control obscenity, child pornography, and hate speech, to protect children or other vulnerable groups, to promote or restrict political or religious views, and to prevent slander and libel.
The Spanish word for the color black: "Negro" or "negra" depending on whether the noun is considered feminine or masculine (which Spanish does with all nouns). There's a fairly popular restaurant chain here called "Menestra del Negro" or "black beans". They have a monkey as it's mascot.
Es verdad. A monkey logo? Is that a bone in its hair? “The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken
I'm reporting you for using those offensive words... LOL! There are 3 races which are anatomically different. 1) Caucasian The bone structure and skulls are physically different, it's not just a matter of skin color. As far as the origin of the "N" word, I think it's because many of the slaves were from the African country named Niger, so they were called that because they came from there. In fact, some black people use that as their first name. I remember seeing an interview on CNN I think where a person by that name was being asked a question, and the interviewer mispronounced his name by pronouncing it as if it had two g's.. LOL I like your cyclopaedia style definitions, but they don't cancel out the fact that banning the n-word on this forum is very much a tardy read guard action - a well meaning but vain attempt to make this a more tasteful or marketable internet outlet. I gotta say that while there have been long stretches of civil discussion on and off, it's been very screechy here for a real long time. Like for the last dozen years. But given the current climate, the back and forth is likely to become even more strident. So lots of luck. It ain't just the rhetoric. Here and elsewhere, it's going to get more ugly rather than less as the situation on the ground gets more and more physical. Of all the enemies to public liberty war is, perhaps, the most to be dreaded. - James Madison
But unlikely to be banned :-)
Oh no make no mistake. Neil needs to be even handed or drop this altogether. The game is on or this site might as well just finally die. In fact, I'll just say it. Neil, you just took the Freedom out of 4um, as much I detest certain language such as your first salvo at censorship. Call me Nate Higgers…. :) “With the exception of Whites, the rule among the peoples of the world, whether residing in their homelands or settled in Western democracies, is ethnocentrism and moral particularism: they stick together and good means what is good for their ethnic group." My 2nd ex-wife is black and our daughter is 'mulatta'. My wife now is also black. You and a warm bucket of goat urine aren't worth a hair on the head of a black, brown or mixed person that is precious to me. 😬😜😎✌🏻 The faggots/illegal mestizos/communists, already foaming at their mouths, scream obscenities 24/7/365 about White people/Christians/et al but the mere mention of the word "nigger" is going to push them over the edge?? “With the exception of Whites, the rule among the peoples of the world, whether residing in their homelands or settled in Western democracies, is ethnocentrism and moral particularism: they stick together and good means what is good for their ethnic group." "Stormers." SPLC boogymen.
Yellow Bullet has LOTS of commercial sponsors and the sub-forums "Trash or Be Trashed" and "The Political Corner" are uncensored. Just an FYI, and it's a very public hotrod forum.
“With the exception of Whites, the rule among the peoples of the world, whether residing in their homelands or settled in Western democracies, is ethnocentrism and moral particularism: they stick together and good means what is good for their ethnic group." Whelp, it's Neil's forum, so I'll respect his rules. It's his sandbox. I'm just an amused observer.
As part kike, I could take great offense at the writings of more than a few denizens here. I also find no problem of reading about, WHITEY HONKY REDNECK CRACKER, RUBE AND HILL BILLY, all of which apply. Going down the road of censorship, because of good intentions and political correctness, has brought about the current social fabric of this country.
Going down the road of censorship, because of good intentions and political correctness, has brought about the current social fabric of this country. Nicely said. “The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken
Even more disconcerting, to say the least, is that there was a Dollar Bill involved. Even more disconcerting, to say the least, is that there was a Dollar Bill involved. Yup, that's where it starts. 30 pieces of silver. And how we've arrived at this point. Give me control of a nation's money and I care not who makes the laws.
Yes sir, I have borne some of thse words and borne them with some patience because, considering the source, it's almost impossible to insult me. Those as must resort to epithet aren't worth my time. Now if a man shows that he will hurt me, I will be the first to deliver. That is a different piece of business entirely. Of all the enemies to public liberty war is, perhaps, the most to be dreaded. - James Madison
I'm reporting you for using those offensive words... LOL! I shall sanction myself..... later.
I'm not sure if I ever fell for the idea that racial differences between white and black was only in regards to hair and skin color. It defies logic to suggest that is the only notable DNA difference. In the US, I'm average height & weight for a guy. Here, I'm the probably equivalent of 6'2" among the natives, and among the indigenous, I'm closer to 6'8".
Perhaps the world maps should be revised to spell the country "N***r". LOL. Perhaps you are right. Or perhaps the country was named by Spaniards or Portuguese for the color to reflect the people they found. No idea. It seems likely the term and the country name are related somehow. I do find tidbits of language history interesting.
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#3. To: Pinguinite, Ray Bradbury, Fahrenheit 451 (#2)
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The Real History Behind Book Burning and Fahrenheit 451
I'm done, enough said.
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#5. To: Pinguinite (#0)
#6. To: NeoconsNailed (#5)
#7. To: Pinguinite (#6)
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do you seriously suggest that 34 participants on a forum accessible worldwide is anything to champion?
#8. To: Pinguinite (#0)
"Define yourself as one beloved by God. This is the true self. Every other identity is illusion."—Brennan Manning
#9. To: Pinguinite (#0)
#10. To: Pinguinite (#0)
no more "nigger" references on 4um
#11. To: TommyTheMadArtist (#9)
#12. To: NeoconsNailed (#5)
#13. To: Ada (#10)
#14. To: Pinguinite, 4 (#0)
this may be useful information
#15. To: NeoconsNailed (#5)
The surge in activity since July 4 is phenomenal, despite or because of people's total frankness (and priceless humor) on the big hot-button issues.
#16. To: TommyTheMadArtist (#9)
I rarely participate on here anymore. I occasionally will use profanity. I do not use racial slurs. I do not think they enhance any dialogue. Hearing about the Jews is also kind of starting to wear a little thin with me.
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#18. To: Obnoxicated, Lod, All (#12)
Should make for an interesting debate when he goes after the J-word, though. I'll stick around for that. :p
#19. To: Lod (#14)
#20. To: Pinguinite (#19)
#21. To: Pinguinite (#0)
That said, no more "nigger" references on 4um. Does it offend me? No, but I'm not black so maybe it wouldn't. Does it offend others? Of course. Should it? In my opinion, probably not as much as it does. American culture has certainly demonized the term to a fanatical level, even more so than "shit" and "fuck" to the point where they usually bleep it not with a single asterisk, but four! Would it be better for both blacks and whites if the term wasn't treated with such strong negative reverence? I think so, yes. Is it my job, or the purpose of 4um, to correct American culture on this point? No, it isn't.
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination 
#22. To: Lod (#14)
2) Negro
3) Mongoloid
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#23. To: Pinguinite (#19)
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#24. To: Cynicom, Pinguinite (#18)
#25. To: randge (#17)
It's the other "n-word."
#26. To: Ada, Pinguinite (#25)
"Define yourself as one beloved by God. This is the true self. Every other identity is illusion."—Brennan Manning
#27. To: Rotara (#26)
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-Alex Kurtagic
#28. To: X-15 (#27)
"Define yourself as one beloved by God. This is the true self. Every other identity is illusion."—Brennan Manning
#29. To: randge (#24)
It ain't just the rhetoric. Here and elsewhere, it's going to get more ugly rather than less as the situation on the ground gets more and more physical.
-Alex Kurtagic
#30. To: sneakypete (#15)
#31. To: Pinguinite (#0)
-Alex Kurtagic
#32. To: Cynicom (#18)
#33. To: randge, All (#24)
banning the n-word on this forum is very much a tardy read guard action - a well meaning but vain attempt to make this a more tasteful or marketable internet outlet.
#34. To: Cynicom (#33)
I also find no problem of reading about, WHITEY HONKY REDNECK CRACKER, RUBE AND HILL BILLY, all of which apply.
#35. To: Cynicom (#33)
Going down the road of censorship, because of good intentions and political correctness, has brought about the current social fabric of this country.
"Define yourself as one beloved by God. This is the true self. Every other identity is illusion."—Brennan Manning
#36. To: Rotara (#35)
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#37. To: Lod (#20)
#38. To: Cynicom (#33)
I also find no problem of reading about, WHITEY HONKY REDNECK CRACKER, RUBE AND HILL BILLY, all of which apply.
#39. To: FormerLurker (#21)
#40. To: FormerLurker (#22)
The bone structure and skulls are physically different, it's not just a matter of skin color.
#41. To: FormerLurker (#23)
As far as the origin of the "N" word, I think it's because many of the slaves were from the African country named Niger, so they were called that because they came from there.
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