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Title: 4um has a New Sheriff
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Published: Jul 9, 2018
Author: Pinguinite
Post Date: 2018-07-10 00:22:39 by Pinguinite
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Views: 7378
Comments: 86

Actually the title isn't entirely true because I've technically been the sheriff for a number of months already, since I received the blessing directly from the royal Christine herself! But I'm going to start acting like one a bit more.

I've done this before so I've got the experience. I already expect half of you will disagree with me every time I do something and that's okay. Just know in advance that I'm going to decide things and do what I think is right for purposes that answer to my own inclinations and that I'll make no effort beyond which my own curiosity compels me to to listen to contrary opinions.

That said, no more "nigger" references on 4um. Does it offend me? No, but I'm not black so maybe it wouldn't. Does it offend others? Of course. Should it? In my opinion, probably not as much as it does. American culture has certainly demonized the term to a fanatical level, even more so than "shit" and "fuck" to the point where they usually bleep it not with a single asterisk, but four! Would it be better for both blacks and whites if the term wasn't treated with such strong negative reverence? I think so, yes. Is it my job, or the purpose of 4um, to correct American culture on this point? No, it isn't.

Here's the deal: As I'm in charge, I'm semi-responsible for content here. I'm also considering xferring 4um to my own server. As such, its content has the potential to reflect upon me personally. In fact, once it did. I am a software development freelancer and I was showing 4um to a potential client who wanted some web work. At one point, after 30-45 mins of positive discussion, shortly after I referred him to 4um, he suddenly cut off the phone conversation with no explanation and never called me back. My #1 guess is he saw something racial here and was offended and wrongly decided that what he saw was endorsed by me, even though I was only trying to show the technical capabilities of the site. So... someone writing something racial here really did hurt my livelihood. It hurt me personally, in the wallet.

On top of that, such references will discourage most new people from signing up here as most people are decent people, for the most part. And having more people sign up is a good thing, generally. And I won't expect everyone to have a perfect outlook on life to sign up. I don't want someone *overly* offended by the "nigger" word to be dissuaded from joining. The term won't attract new people, it will only push most people away, so I don't want it here. Period, end of story.

I'll make up new rules, and change them, sometimes quite unfairly and without rhyme or reason as we play the game, and I'll do so completely without apology. Thanks and enjoy your day.

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#5. To: Pinguinite (#0)

4um's one of the last bastions of truly free and civil speech online. If that means keeping it where it is, Ping, I beg you to do so. Not sure it will ever work as reference to clients even without that article?

The surge in activity since July 4 is phenomenal, despite or because of people's total frankness (and priceless humor) on the big hot-button issues. I count 22 regular participants and 12 occasionals just lately.

Thanks so much.

NeoconsNailed  posted on  2018-07-10   2:19:56 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: NeoconsNailed (#5)

I agree with Ping. You're gonna have to learn to go with something more subtle. Should make for an interesting debate when he goes after the J-word, though. I'll stick around for that. :p

Obnoxicated  posted on  2018-07-10   9:03:50 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Obnoxicated, Lod, All (#12)

Should make for an interesting debate when he goes after the J-word, though. I'll stick around for that. :p

Obs...

"""Censorship is the suppression of speech, public communication, or other information, on the basis that such material is considered objectionable, harmful, sensitive, or "inconvenient" as determined by government authorities.

Governments and private organizations may engage in censorship. Other groups or institutions may propose and petition for censorship. When an individual such as an author or other creator engages in censorship of their own works or speech, it is referred to as self-censorship.

Censorship could be direct or indirect, in which case it is referred to as soft censorship. It occurs in a variety of different media, including speech, books, music, films, and other arts, the press, radio, television,.... and the Internet for a variety of claimed reasons..... including national security, to control obscenity, child pornography, and hate speech, to protect children or other vulnerable groups, to promote or restrict political or religious views, and to prevent slander and libel.

Cynicom  posted on  2018-07-10   9:51:09 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: Cynicom, Pinguinite (#18)

I like your cyclopaedia style definitions, but they don't cancel out the fact that banning the n-word on this forum is very much a tardy read guard action - a well meaning but vain attempt to make this a more tasteful or marketable internet outlet.

I gotta say that while there have been long stretches of civil discussion on and off, it's been very screechy here for a real long time. Like for the last dozen years. But given the current climate, the back and forth is likely to become even more strident. So lots of luck.

It ain't just the rhetoric. Here and elsewhere, it's going to get more ugly rather than less as the situation on the ground gets more and more physical.

randge  posted on  2018-07-10   12:05:36 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: randge (#24)

It ain't just the rhetoric. Here and elsewhere, it's going to get more ugly rather than less as the situation on the ground gets more and more physical.

The faggots/illegal mestizos/communists, already foaming at their mouths, scream obscenities 24/7/365 about White people/Christians/et al but the mere mention of the word "nigger" is going to push them over the edge??

X-15  posted on  2018-07-10   13:36:00 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#52. To: X-15, All (#29)

The faggots/illegal mestizos/communists, already foaming at their mouths, scream obscenities 24/7/365 about White people/Christians/et al but the mere mention of the word "nigger" is going to push them over the edge??

Your point of attention seems to have been lost on some present.

It is indeed Pings sandbox. When one person decides to...censor... ONLY SELECTED WORDS OR TERMS... then freedom of speech is gone.

Decision is his, censor ALL hurtful or offensive words or get out of the censoring business.

I and another part Kike were thrown out of Robbersons den for protesting his censoring people for anti-semetic remarks.

At 86 its time I moved on as I am too olde to bow to censorship and political correctness.

Cynicom  posted on  2018-07-10   17:33:46 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#53. To: Cynicom, Pinguinite, 4um (#52)

Well, this half Irish-Scottish Redneck - half German Jew; full-on Child of God by grace through faith in Jesus Christ... married to a Negra with a mulatta child... remembers all too well how the agenda at Freeperville turned that place into a Zionist censorship crap-hole of what I consider a den of Zionist World Order bloodthirsty statists.

I stopped posting at faceberg and all of their subsidiaries as well because they simply promote statism and of the Zionist World Empire flavor.

That's the next stop on this slope; the offended will be coming out of the wordwork and freedom of speech will simply stop to exist here as it did on ALL the other stops along the way.

I am heading back to part-part-time lurker mode myself.

It was good chatting with yall one last time. If anyone wants to stay in touch you can raise me at PanamaKent.com and/or my newest online home on Steemit @panamakent

God's speed to all of you. Each, and every, one of you. 🙏🏽🌎❤️✌🏻

Rotara  posted on  2018-07-10   17:53:07 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#54. To: Rotara, All (#53)

It was good chatting with yall one last time.

Good time for me to shuffle off also.

Hope you and rest of my friends have a fair sailing wind the rest of your days.

Cynicom  posted on  2018-07-10   18:15:20 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#70. To: Cynicom, Rotara, christine, 4 (#54)

It was good chatting with yall one last time.

Good time for me to shuffle off also.

Hope you and rest of my friends have a fair sailing wind the rest of your days.

Wait! Don't go. I was planning to invite everyone to a Dance Party for christine's birthday but didn't get around to it then. I think you, especially, won't want to miss this, Cyni -- knowing, as I do, how highly you've rated Trey Gowdy politically before and here he is now:

Trey Gowdy and Kelly McConaghy (2009) - YouTube, 2.25 minutes

Published on Mar 31, 2009

[Jitterbug] Dancing with the Spartanburg Stars 2009

Did you see that hand signal he made at the start, Cyni? I wanted to get your opinion on if it might be like a geopolitical communication about China or something.

GreyLmist  posted on  2018-07-11   8:42:45 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#71. To: GreyLmist, christine, dancers, 4 (#70)

here's christine's preferred style of dancing

Lod  posted on  2018-07-11   9:56:22 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#72. To: hondo68, NeoconsNailed, randge, Rotara, Cynicom (#71)

It seems you 5 have taken exception to "the decree", all done so respectably, which I appreciate.

If you think this is on a slippery slope or starts down a road that will end with a partnership between 4um and CNN, you either forgot who I am, or never knew who I am. I never would have lifted a finger to start up Liberty Post, much less 4um if I were never interested in creating an arena for airing conflicting views. I love hearing people explain their views when they differ from my own, though admittedly only when I have patience and time to do so, which is no different from any other project or activity I engage in. When Sally approached me in 2002 about starting LP, it was THEN I was naive, thinking that everyone was like me and valued discussion of differences and wanted to improve their thinking. But no, not everyone is like that. And that's one thing I did learn from LP. Everyone is totally convinced they are right and everyone else is wrong, and the only point of posting to a discussion forum is so people can get jollies from insulting and harassing people who disagree. At least that's what some people do. I don't see that here so much but certainly it's the norm with some over on LibertysFlame.

I suppose I may not be the idealistic purist that I used to be. Then again, I'm not so sure. You see, "Free Speech" is an illusion. Why, because there's nothing free in life. Speech comes at a cost. What cost are you paying to post here? What cost am I paying? Right now, your freedom of speech here comes at a bigger monetary cost to the person paying to host the site (not me at present), and if *I* am the one who's going to be tasked and held responsible for the content, then any time anyone here calls black people "niggers" then it's not you, hiding behind anonymous screen names who is accountable. It's me. Your "free speech", for me, isn't quite so free.

There is something I have done before, though I can't remember at this sitting. You can look up a domain name and get it's IP address (simple enough) but then you can take that IP address and get a list of all web sites being hosted at that IP address. That is, ultimately, the Achilles heel for me. Even though I'm also behind a screen name, content here IS tracable to me, to **my** livelihood and my personal reputation. Not yours, unless I choose to expose it via your email addr which I won't do.

"Free Speech"? Any forum, any newspaper, any magazine is "free speech" for only one person. The owner. That's it. So when I, as "sheriff" say I don't want a certain type of speech on 4um, that is NOT so much a suppression of your free speech, but is an exercise of MY free speech.

You see, I *have* learned a few things over the years, both from my time running LP way back in the day. I know both sides of the coin, both as a guest poster AND a forum owner, and because of that, I don't think I'm going out on a limb in saying that my understanding of "free speech" probably runs deeper than 99.9% of everyone who has ever posted on FR, LP, LF or 4um.

I do have very strong libertarian ideals and I would model 4um rules around those ideals. Will it mean this will be a perfect place to say anything you want? No. If you want that, start your own forum. Otherwise, perfection won't be had anywhere else you look.

Life is not perfect. But I do believe life is about growing and learning, and I would have 4um be that kind of a place, if only in a very small way. But the bottom line is that no one has unlimited patience to wade through all manner of talk they find insulting to see the merit of what some people have to say, and there are millions upon millions of people for whom "nigger" is a deal breaker in discussing anything at all, and that this would be perhaps indicative of their own immaturity or similar doesn't change that fact. Believing otherwise is a fiction, and if any of us were to claim they don't have there own similar limitations with other kinds of talk, I would call them a liar.

Thanks for hearing me out.

Pinguinite  posted on  2018-07-11   11:51:16 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#76. To: Pinguinite (#72)

Thanks for your articulate post and for your years shepherding this forum along. This place was a good one for me in locating daily headlines of interest and for getting others' take on big events and on how those events were covered. I always got a big kick out of the way a lot of the hardass personalities that hang out here reacted to the news posted here day to day.

I've had to take a long break from this because of work I was involved in and because of a growing undertone of contentiousness taking hold here that at times was getting kind of rough. Contention is the name of the game on a forum like this and I long stuck with it for the reason that alternative sites - which I won't mention here - are dominated by a kind of wet blanket intolerance of opinion that won't stand for any mention of really hot topics like well-known false flags and the attacks of September 11, 2001.

This poster is not perfect by a long shot, but he finds his limit at the gratuitous slinging of epithets when the discussion gets down to essential differences. It is no fun participating in discussions that get sucked into two-liner shit fests and cheesy name calling. I do not find myself particularly handicapped at the prohibition of a single word. It's a word that I don't feel the need to use. But then there are a lot of words that I don't feel the need to use in a one on one.

So forgive me if I suggest that it might be a little late to ban that six letter word that Africans seem to use with impunity, but if it helps you move this project along, well, I won't bitch. And much like I heard today while waiting at the hardware checkout today I'll say, "Thanks, Pinguinite, for your service." I know that you have done a helluva lot more to keep 4um afloat than I have. Keep on truckin'.

That is all.

randge  posted on  2018-07-11   14:23:04 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#78. To: randge (#76)

I like your post too, Randge. But you and others have mentioned the problem of contentiousness in this thread, and I just don't see it.

On returning to 4um few months ago I found it massively changed -- delightfully collegial in fact. The gratuitous viciousness that plagued it before was gone -- until recently when one asinine curmudgeon has popped up. There's also one person who razzes another about certain posts, but this is nothing compared to previously AND to some other forums I've seen.

I understand there were major wars of ego and viewpoint years ago before I discovered 4um, IIRC resulting in people leaving in droves, but think some who were here then may still be thinking of 4um in those terms when it's not the case.

NeoconsNailed  posted on  2018-07-11   14:50:29 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#79. To: NeoconsNailed (#78)

What if I said in response to your post that you're sick and in need of professional help?

I know that wouldn't sit well witchu. I also know that a comment like that doesn't move the discussion along in a meaningful way.

Contention is OK. It's what makes the forum run. But slapping your neighbor upside the head is no fun. It's just crude.

I been away a while. Hopefully things have got more "civilized" of late.

BTW, have you heard that a witness to the Seth Rich murder has popped up who has been vetted by a Secret Service polygraph and who will testify that a DEA agent and an ATF employee were the assailants?

Corsi and Jones and Bill Still are on it among others.

Somebody needs to post on this. I'm strapped for time.

randge  posted on  2018-07-11 15:45:32 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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