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Title: 15,000 white South African farmers seek refuge in Russia, report says
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URL Source: http://www.eutimes.net/2018/07/1500 ... -refuge-in-russia-report-says/
Published: Jul 10, 2018
Author: staff
Post Date: 2018-07-10 21:33:20 by Ada
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Views: 939
Comments: 36

A delegation of 30 South African farming families has arrived in Russia’s farmbelt Stavropol Region, Rossiya 1 TV reports. The group says it is facing violent attacks and death threats at home.

Up to 15,000 Boers, descendants of Dutch settlers in South Africa, are planning to move to Russia amid rising violence stemming from government plans to expropriate their land, according to the delegation.

“It’s a matter of life and death – there are attacks on us. It’s got to the point where the politicians are stirring up a wave of violence,” Adi Slebus told the media. “The climate here [Stavropol Region] is temperate, and this land is created by God for farming. All this is very attractive.”

The new South African government, led by President Cyril Ramaphosa, has pledged to return the lands owned by white farmers since the 1600s to the black citizens of the country. The government said it is planning to put an end to what it calls the legacy of apartheid, where most of South Africa’s land is still in the hands of its minority white population.

Rights groups have said the initiative incites violence. There were 74 farm murders and 638 attacks, primarily against white farmers, in 2016-17 in South Africa, according to data by minority rights group AfriForum.

The farmers are prepared to make a contribution to Russia’s booming agricultural sector, according to Rossiya 1. Each family is ready to bring up to $100,000 for leasing the land.

Russia has 43 million hectares of unused farmland, and has recently begun giving out free land to Russian citizens to cultivate farming. The land giveaway program, which began in 2014, has been a huge success.

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#1. To: Ada (#0) (Edited)

15,000 white South African farmers seek refuge in Russia, report says

It is likely a good move since Putin has said he would give free land to anyone that wants to move there.

Something just popped into my head. One time when at Country Music Inn in NW suburban Chicago, there were 3 guys in there that were from South Africa.

They said they didn't understand how the U.S. came to be from coast to coast.

We were using my body as a map, left side was east coast and right was west coast. In the middle was Mid-West.

One of them pointed below my belt and said, "What's down there?"

I said, "That's Mexico. We don't go there." ROTFLMAO!

BTP Holdings  posted on  2018-07-10   21:38:00 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: BTP Holdings (#1)

It is likely a good move since Putin has said he would give free land to anyone that wants to move there.

I don't think that free land is what the Boers have in mind. They are used to good farmland in a warm climate and are prepared to spend real money to lease it.

Ada  posted on  2018-07-11   10:46:15 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Ada (#3)

I don't think that free land is what the Boers have in mind. They are used to good farmland in a warm climate and are prepared to spend real money to lease it.

Free is free and they should not look a gift horse in the mouth. Whether or not they lease the land is up to them. But I am sure even if the get free land, leased or not, they will owe some real estate taxes on it since that is how the local government gets their operating money. ;)

BTP Holdings  posted on  2018-07-11   18:24:36 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: BTP Holdings (#9)

Whether or not they lease the land is up to them. But I am sure even if the get free land, leased or not, they will owe some real estate taxes on it since that is how the local government gets their operating money. ;)

Don't know the details of real estate taxes but many Europeans want to immigrate to Russia because of its low taxes.

Ada  posted on  2018-07-11   19:48:29 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: Ada (#16)

some fairly recent news on RU taxes and possible changes

themoscowtimes.com/articl...e-income-tax-reform-57242

Lod  posted on  2018-07-11   20:09:09 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: Lod (#19)

Downside of a flat tax is that it is easy to raise.

Ada  posted on  2018-07-11   20:15:58 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: Ada (#20)

I would absolutely LOVE a 13-15% flat tax rate here.

Lod  posted on  2018-07-11   22:00:33 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: Lod (#23)

Sure, but you would not be happy if they raised it to 25%.

Ada  posted on  2018-07-12   8:48:58 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: Ada (#29)

That would still save me 10%, so I'd be grateful for that.

Lod  posted on  2018-07-12   9:45:00 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: Lod (#31)

That would still save me 10%, so I'd be grateful for that.

With the flat rate there are no deductions. Loopholes if you will. And they can still raise the flat rate as high as they wish.

Ada  posted on  2018-07-12   13:32:17 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: Ada (#33)

Congress can take away deductions and raise rates here whenever they wish.

You know that.

Lod  posted on  2018-07-12   16:49:57 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: Lod (#34)

Congress can take away deductions and raise rates here whenever they wish.

Congress plays politics with tax law by rewarding its friends and punishing its enemies. With a flat rate they can't do that and have to raise everyone.

Ada  posted on  2018-07-12   21:07:54 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: Ada, HAPPY2BME-4UM, All (#35)

They'd create loopholes out of the clear blue, defy us to try to do something about it, and play other games to screw us over same as always.

The only thing that will ever work is first principles -- we don't owe the money, and must resist paying it in any form. Otherwise it's only a tax shift. two of the dirtiest words in the English language.

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