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Title: Should Brer' Be Banned?
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Published: Mar 15, 2006
Author: Self
Post Date: 2006-03-15 01:28:44 by Anonymous Dead Indian
Keywords: Banned?, Should, Brer
Views: 1989
Comments: 56
Brer' has been less than honest in his dealings with the people on this forum. He has falsely attributed quotes, feelings and beliefs to people and then attacked people for for the stawmen that he himself hung on them. He has mischaracterized material posted by others and then attacked the poster on the basis of this strawman. In addition, he lacks basic social skills. He seems incapable of participating in rational discussion without resorting to sneers and other nasty tactics. As far as I can see, there has been almost no rational debate out of the guy. As I noted on a thread this evening, he contributes nothing and causes problems. Should Brer' be tossed out on his butt or should he stay as the troll punching bag for the site? All input will be appreciated.
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#17. To: Anonymous Dead Indian (#16)
You probably weren't here for the infamous "Fyenman Lives" episode. (Another troll who turned out to be one of the Evolutionist FReepers from their CREVO threads "RightWingAtheist". Zipporah turned out to be a better investigative reporter than many at the Clown posse can claim to be and had this troll's identity in a matter of days after he started posting. With FReeper trolls I think the worst thing that can happen to them is to be exposed by the Admin Moderators of another site they are attacking. "Fynman Lives" actually left 4um voluntarily after his exposure.
Any time's a good time to rid ourselves of a parasite like Brer'. I say ban the neocon S.O.B.
Speaking of unprovoked attacks: "You're not welcome here." -- To me from Bob W AKA YertleTurtle And yes I slammed him back pretty good for the unprovoked brownshirt attitude. Ban Brer'??? I love the smell of hypocrisy in the morning. [That's a NO vote folks..especially on a "Constitutionalist" board.. as opposed to a censored neocon joint like FRaud, run by a crazy Bot shill.]
#18. To: Zipporah (#9)
#19. To: Zipporah (#9)
Maybe an execution at dawn,
Hey, Meester,wanna meet my seester?
#20. To: Anonymous Dead Indian, ALL (#10)
They might just want to make a casual, friendly comment and it's not worth it if you might get dumped on by a hostile kook like Brer.
#21. To: IndieTX (#20)
The name is Bob Wallace, and you're not welcome here. If you want to post insults and bullshit graphics from FreeRepublic, then go join the other buffoons over there. I post article looking for serious comments, not ignorant ones from ignorant people. And you are an ignorant person.
Speaking of unprovoked attacks: "You're not welcome here." -- To me from Bob W AKA YertleTurtle
"I aim to misbehave" -- Mal Reynolds, Firefly
#22. To: Anonymous Dead Indian (#0)
Errrrr, uhhhhhhhh, ahhhhh You're setting the bar pretty high. I find it comforting to have someone, anyone on the bubble in front of me, and that's all I have to say about that.
In addition, he lacks basic social skills. He seems incapable of participating in rational discussion without resorting to sneers and other nasty tactics.
“Of all the enemies to public liberty war is, perhaps, the most to be dreaded because it comprises and develops the germ of every other. War is the parent of armies; from these proceed debts and taxes...known instruments for bringing the many under the domination of the few…No nation could preserve its freedom in the midst of continual warfare.” – James Madison, Political Observations, 1795
#23. To: Anonymous Dead Indian (#0)
I've only read a few of Brer's posts because I realized early on that he's not a serious person. He is dysfunctional, can't face issues, can't face reality. a lot of people are like that in our society. the only thing that troubles me that I've read on this thread is people say he's dishonest and attributes comments to people that they didn't make. The dysfunctionalism is normal. but the dishonesty in attacking people is something that shouldn't be accepted if its done over & over. it's really sad an internet forum like this needs a monitor. people can't be polite to one another - its incredible. brer is a fine product of the public schools. its also very sad.
#24. To: Anonymous Dead Indian (#0)
Of course he shouldn't be banned. Its best to let people say what is on their mind. More freedom is better not less.
Error of opinion may be tolerated where reason is left free to combat it - Thomas Jefferson
#25. To: Red Jones, Anonymous Dead Indian, Zipporah (#23)
I believe in the power of ignoring posters like Brer'. (He reminded me of another obnoxious poster, Kyle, though he/she/it was more intelligent than Brer'.) I called him on his violent call to nuke muslims, muslim cities and everyone else who disagree with him, even Christians who didn't agree with his belief that reigning death and destruction down on everyone who didn't see things his way. He never responsed to points or questions, he just ranted hate and violence couched in rah rah america. I figured he was probably a deranged vet who needed a long stay in mental rehab and frankly, if he was serious about what he posted i believe he is dangerous.
#26. To: A K A Stone (#24)
Maybe it would be better if he wrote a letter to the editor? He obviously doesn't want his belief system challenged with debate, since he never answers a post except with name calling.
Its best to let people say what is on their mind.
#27. To: A K A Stone, Zipporah (#24)
As long as his call to violence and hateful racist statments are not left unchallenged then i agree that more freedom is good. I completely ignore Brer' but i do worry that if his statements are not countered (there is no point in arguing with him because he lacks the mental ability to process info that he doesn't agree with)then he could taint this forum with his racism/calls to violence and general idiocy and we'd all look somewhat guilty by association. I wouldn't want Brer' or anyone else banned because their ideas are unpopular or even repugnant, but with Brer' it seems he doesn't really engage in dialogue or defend his views, he just rants and i don't think this forum should be a one-way soap box for especially repugnant views, esp those that call for violent action against what Brer' considers his enemies. It's a fine line and a hard call, but i have confidence in Zip and Christine to do the right thing. And in any case, i will continue to ignore him.
Of course he shouldn't be banned. Its best to let people say what is on their mind. More freedom is better not less.
#28. To: fatidic (#25)
Just ranted or ... turned and conducted a personal attack on the other poster. That was my point. He tosses out a controversial statement that he can't defend. I don't think he expects to be challenged. When it is challenged, he bobs, weaves, conducts personal attacks and does everything except answer the legitimate question raised by his original post. That is trollery in my book.
He never responsed to points or questions, he just ranted hate and violence couched in rah rah america.
#29. To: Anonymous Dead Indian, all (#0)
All input will be appreciated. I for one find it a little weird that a newbie poster is calling for someone else's bannination. I've never heard of you (Anyonymous Dead Indian) before, and I only heard of Brer' a couple of days ago. Did you guys carry this fight over from some other forum, or what? I've never had a problem with Brer', though I understand that other, more seasoned, posters have gotten into it with him. After reading some of his posts, he seems to be a paleocon, and a somewhat pompous one at that. HOWEVER: That doesn't make him any weirder or more irritating than others here who have an agenda to push (anti-Zionist, anti-income tax, anti-modern medicine, anti-evolution, pro-gold, anti-gold, you name it). And God(dess) knows I can be a right pompous and irritating bastard myself. So my vote is NO bannination. If you can't stand to lock horns with someone, go find yourself a nice scrapbooking forum.
Should Brer' be tossed out on his butt or should he stay as the troll punching bag for the site?
I love children, but I can never finish a whole one.
#30. To: fatidic (#27)
Cognitive dissonance is a frequent affliction among the bots. Maybe I missed some of this, but you all seem to tolerate me to a point and I'm no angel either. It depends what kind of violence you are calling for I suppose. With me, I have a very hard time with insolent, disobedient public servants. I think when one of them gets out of line they should be beaten and whipped soundly to put them back in their places. THEY ARE TO SERVE WE, THE PEOPLE, AND NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND. Of course, these lying, conniving, plundering pirates and the puppet political prostitutes who are supposed to administrate, oversee and correct their actions and fail to do so are nothing more than traitors in my book. BTW, we need more rope!
(there is no point in arguing with him because he lacks the mental ability to process info that he doesn't agree with)
taint this forum with his racism/calls to violence and general idiocy and we'd all look somewhat guilty by association.
“If a nation or an individual values anything more than freedom, it will lose its freedom; and the irony is that if it is comfort or money it values more, it will lose that too.” W. Somerset Maugham
#31. To: Anonymous Dead Indian (#0)
I think Brer' is a candidate for the bozo filter for anyone who finds him annoying.
Free nations are peaceful nations. Free nations don't attack each other. Free nations don't develop weapons of mass destruction. ~George W. Bush
#32. To: robin (#31)
Exactly. Where we have a BOZO filter, banning is unnecessary, and only limits the freedom of those who might want to look at the postings even of an offensive poster.
#33. To: aristeides, robin (#32)
I didn't even know we had a bozo filter here. I'm bozoing the both of you right now! In fact, I'm bozoing everyone but me! Me, me, me. All alone in cyber space. It'll be like having my own blog!
I love children, but I can never finish a whole one.
#34. To: robin (#31)
I think you have the answer, robin.
bozo
#35. To: robin (#31)
Good answer; I agree with you.
#36. To: robin (#31)
Possibly. But I think a lot of people arn't comfortable with the bozo filter. They justifiably fear that it just subjects them to ridicule they are no longer able to monitor. As I see it, the problem with someone like Brer is that: (1) Brer, a person who really contributes nothing, can keep other shy, but otherwise good posters off the board, and; (2) he can turn the focus of the board from the basic message to a full time fight with the troll, i.e., shut down a site that conflicts with the political views of the troll. Feynman did this a while back - whether intentional or not.
I think Brer' is a candidate for the bozo filter for anyone who finds him annoying
#37. To: Jethro Tull (#34)
There is an unwritten rule that says the members of the board must sit passively by and blubber about a troll's rights of free speach when a troll shows up to wreck the board. Parts of the mission statement on the front page of this site were written to counter this unwritten rule. I don't know if Brer falls under this or not, but I don't think the owners want to see this place degenerate into a full time feces hurling production. LP and FR would like to see that, but the owners don't.
I think you have the answer, robin.
#38. To: BTP Holdings, Brer' (#30)
It's too early in the morning for me to try a logical explanation of the difference between posters like Brer' and the other types who express controversial ideas, obnoxiously or other wise, but here is my feeble attempt. I have no problem with a vigorous debate that gets heated and even out of bounds when the debators are actually engaged in their own defending, attacking, rationalizing and otherwise standing up for what they believe, regardless of how much i dislike what they say. But i have not seen this in Brer' who, based on my limited exposure to his posts (enough to make me want to avoid him entirely), he just throws out stuff and then doesn't defend it or explain it or acknowledge any challenge to it but instead goes after the poster personally. It's as though he is not even interested in what he says but just posts empty words which zig and zag all over the place. BTP, whatever you say i sense sincerty and civility and you should not think any of us confuse you with Brer' who is your opposite. No worries, BTP. I like a free-for-all where the posters are real people, with real convictions, and ears to listen to others, and a brain to process what they hear. Brer' seems to lack all these qualities, poor boy/girl/it. I'm sure we all make each other mad at times, but we're still a sort of family on 4um that naturally argues an triangulates and falls out and then kisses and makes up, etc. Brer' may even show us that he has a kinder, rational, interesting side who would rather be posting here than on FR . So the question for Brer' is does he/she/it want to be a part of this family or does he want to destroy it along with many other countries and his perceived enemies? I'd like to give him another chance if he can take the criticism and be a good sport about it and not threaten to blow us up too.
#39. To: Anonymous Dead Indian, Brer' (#37)
For what it's worth, I plan to smack the prick's head early and often :)
#40. To: Jethro Tull (#39)
Me too. I just hope it doesn't become a Feynman/Richard type of thing that goes on forever. Those situations are dangerously addictive because you just can't resist smacking the prick one more time. You keep swearing you'll quit tomorrow and you never do.
For what it's worth, I plan to smack the pricks head early and often :)
#41. To: robin (#31)
I've never used the bozo filter so I tend to forget it's there. But that's an excellent point. I don't like banning in general as it seems kind of FReeperish, but I think we also have to be careful not to let Brer dominate the forum by posting continuous streams of rants and insults. Maybe the best response is: Starve the Troll.
"I woke up in the CRAZY HOUSE."
#42. To: Anonymous Dead Indian (#0)
No. He/she felt I shouldn't have been banned from LPee iirc, so I'll take the same position in kind.
Should Brer' Be Banned?
#43. To: Anonymous Dead Indian (#40)
This is the danger that a scumbag like he presents; will some posters be turned off by a flame war? We shall see.
Me too. I just hope it doesn't become a Feynman/Richard type of thing that goes on forever.
#44. To: YertleTurtle, all, christine, robin, brer', jethro tull (#21)
I post article looking for serious comments, not ignorant ones from ignorant people. And you are an ignorant person. Thank you for so blatantly proving my point you self-righteous little prick. You're the epitomy of the very brownshirts you despise at FRaud. You're a damned hypocrite and an asshole. If anyone needs to be banned, it is you mr wallace the censor demigod of freedom4um. Go to hell, sir.
The name is Bob Wallace, and you're not welcome here. If you want to post insults and bullshit graphics from FreeRepublic, then go join the other buffoons over there.
#45. To: yertleturtle (#44)
The first one who posted an insult was you, sir. You're a legend in your own mind and a hypocrite extraordinaire. Is that what being a self- described "internet author" does to you. You neither impress me nor scare me.
#46. To: Brian S, yertleturtle, christine, jethro tull, all (#42)
He/she felt I shouldn't have been banned from LPee iirc, so I'll take the same position in kind. Which is why I've always respected you on LP. You are NOT a hypocrite like some pious jerks who want some to be banned or who tell us "You're not welcome here." And the very person above criticizing me of being a FRaudian is practicing the same RimJob brownshirt tactics. Banning is not consistent with what we believe in, and neither is "You're not welcome here" by pious hypcorites.
Should Brer' Be Banned? No.
#47. To: Anonymous Dead Indian, All (#0)
So what happened to the rabbit?
#48. To: Uncle Bill, Brer', BrerRabbit, Zipporah, christine (#18)
Although BrerRabbit did mention he'd be signing up on 4um and claimed to know christine from his "FR days", THAT BrerRabbit was supposed to send me mail once he made it here. I haven't seen anything yet. And from the few posts I've seen here by "Brer'", the 4um character "Brer'" doesn't have the same ring to his posts as does the LP BrerRabbit character. Then again, BrerRabbit on LP was a mindless troll when he first signed up, then went through some sort of transformation and appeared to become a "good guy".
BrerRabbit
#49. To: FormerLurker (#48)
I recall that too. His first few posts to me called me many names. I responded in kind one evening, then pretty much blew him/her/it off since. He seems to have a somewhat open mind based on his post of the last few months.
#50. To: Ragin1 (#49)
Which one, Brer' or BrerRabbit?
I recall that too. His first few posts to me called me many names.
#51. To: FormerLurker (#50)
Rabbit on LP. He was an ass at first then started reasoning a bit. I've been here since the site was created but havn't posted too much. First saw Brer here about a month ago. I'm assuming Brer is Brer Rabbit. I havn't seen that Indian before he fired the shot about Brer being banned. Thats what caught my interest initualy.
#52. To: Ragin1 (#51)
BrerRabbit seemed to be psycho when I first dealt with him on LP, where he'd launch tirades of expletives on every thread he found me on, and tried to smear me on any thread I hadn't posted on. Then after several months, I hadn't heard from him, and later he started pinging me and tried to be buddies. I have no problem with today's BrerRabbit. It's the old one that I had some major issues with.
Rabbit on LP. He was an ass at first then started reasoning a bit.
#53. To: FormerLurker (#52)
LOL. He called me every leftist f'n name in the book. I'd rather see him posting than to be banned. If Brer is BrerRabbit I think he'll start conversing more and trolling less as he gets to know the posters. I think we are the only 2 up at this time of the day.
BrerRabbit seemed to be psycho when I first dealt with him on LP
#54. To: Ragin1 (#53)
Yeah, I have odd hours at times. I got up in the middle of the morning to get a drink, and couldn't get back to sleep, so I started posting. I should get a few hours sleep before its time to wake up. I'll catch you later Ragin..
I think we are the only 2 up at this time of the day.
#55. To: Ragin1 (#53)
Brer' is one of Veronica's multiples...she won't deny it.
“Yes, but is this good for Jews?"
#56. To: Eoghan (#55)
Now that you mention it Brer does resemble that remark.
Brer' is one of Veronica's multiples
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