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Title: How the U.S. got shafted out of the FN FAL
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URL Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jexf8A462jM
Published: Dec 31, 2017
Author: Legally Armed America
Post Date: 2018-08-18 16:38:31 by BTP Holdings
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Views: 291
Comments: 15
The FN FAL is one of the greatest battle rifles ever made. Politics caused the U.S. to pass on it while nearly every other NATO country in the world recognized its superiority. And the 7.62 NATO is one of the greatest battle rounds ever made. But we needed an intermediate round. Here's the story. G3 video: youtu.be/69_Y0zcAD98 M14 video: youtu.be/USCZsDxg6sA * Be sure to join the web's ONLY 100% pro-gun social community, Gun District at GunDistrict.com. It's much like Facebook, but without the discrimination against gun owners.
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#1. To: BTP Holdings (#0)
Much like they chose the .223 round over the vastly superior .222Mag round. All political bullshit and often bribes.
“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken
I have been telling people ever since I heard somebody woke up and decided our military needed a long range round for fighting in Shitstainistan that is someone would put ME in charge of new battle rifle procurement I could solve their problem in just a few minutes,and likely save them tens of millions of dollars at the same time. I would just pick up the phone,call FN and say "I need an initial order of 2,000 FN-FAL rifles chambered for the 7x57 round,spare magazines,bayonets,cleaning kits,and spare parts. When can I expect delivery?" There are a LOT of different weight 7mm bullets to chose from,and with the FAL adjustable gas system,they will shoot them all without hiccuping. No need to keep re-inventing the damn wheel! BTW,the .308 is a great round,but the 7x57 mm round is better for bucking wind across valleys at long ranges. When you move up to the longer boat tail heavy bullets in 30 caliber,you need the case capacity of the magnums for long shots. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.
once again you are full of crap 6.5 x 55 Yeah,what do I know about guns? I was just a Special Forces weapons man for 6 years,and have a two year degree in gunsmithing,have worked as a gunsmith,built custom rifles,and even owned my own shop. And YOUR qualifications? When you move up to the longer boat tail heavy bullets in 30 caliber,you need the case capacity of the magnums for long shots. once again you are full of crap 6.5 x 55 BTW,the 6.5mm is NOT a 30 caliber round. Or even a 7 MM round. Since you obviously don't seem to understand this,the 6.5 has a smaller bore which means to shoot the longer and heavier bullets the case needs to be longer or larger in diameter to hold enough powder to match the downrange ballistics of a 7mm or 7.62mm round shooting the same weight bullet. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.
so you say
Uncle Scam will only accept a New caliber that financially benefits the usual suspects before it trickles down to the civilian shooting world. What obscene profit (contractors) and exorbitant expense (ripping off The People) is there to be made by using a perfectly suitable caliber already in existence??
“With the exception of Whites, the rule among the peoples of the world, whether residing in their homelands or settled in Western democracies, is ethnocentrism and moral particularism: they stick together and good means what is good for their ethnic group." Good luck arguing with facts. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.
And there you have it. Backdoor deals have to be made to guarantee some production in the "right" congresscritter districts so he/she/it/multiple choice can claim credit for having brought the work into the district. Not to mention some people are going to need a heads up on what newly undervalued stock to buy. Which is why they will NEVER pick anything already in production. No cream to skim off the top. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.
There are a LOT of different weight 7mm bullets to chose from,and with the FAL adjustable gas system,they will shoot them all without hiccuping. No need to keep re-inventing the damn wheel! BTW,the .308 is a great round,but the 7x57 mm round is better for bucking wind across valleys at long ranges. When you move up to the longer boat tail heavy bullets in 30 caliber,you need the case capacity of the magnums for long shots. Were you a weapons specialist when you were stationed in Laos? ;) "When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke
I would LOVE to be able to argue with that. I really would. But......... ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.
I wasn't stationed in Laos. There were no US troops stationed in Laos. I just ran recon and other missions there,and in Cambodia,another place there were no US troops stationed. My job title was either assistant recon team leader,or Hatchet Force squad leader.I developed a serious case of wheezing and coughing from sleeping on the wet ground in the rain for a week or so at a time in the mountains,and you can't do this or snore and continue to run recon. So I switched over to platoon operations. The NVA always pretty much knew where we were anyhow because we were attacking them or blocking their troop movements. Each SF team has two weapons specialists,but the truth is weapons are such a basic part of the job that everybody is a weapons specialist,just like everybody knows how to operate the radios,call in air strikes,set up demo ambushes,and apply first aid to the wounded. It's all a part of the same job. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.
I hear you on that. When we were at Woodstock 94 we had to be in there the first night because they opened the gates and the crowd was coming in. These three guys were drunk and got in the wheel chair potties that were fenced on three sides. They couldn't figure out how to get out so they climbed on top of one of the potties and jumped over the fence. One guy broke his ankle. His friends were telling him, "Don't worry. We'll sell your ticket." I think that was the last time they could get an ATV in the place. LOL "When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke
Can we say .30-06? “The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken
The M-1 Garand was 30.06 caliber. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M1_Garand#/media/File:M1-Garand-Rifle.jpg "When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke
The 762.x51 (.308 Winchester) is basically the same round ballistically except when shooting the heavier bullets at long range. If a .308 won't do it with a 147 grain boattail FMJ bullet,neither will a 30-06 with a 150 grain FMJ bullet. The military went to the 7.62 for this reason. Same basic round,but cheaper to buy,lighter to carry when decked out with a full combat load of ammo,and it allowed the weapon to be shorter and lighter,also. Plus there was the whole "interchangeability of NATO ammo" thing,too. The 5.56/.223 round was effective for what it was designed for,but is not so hot for shooting at the long ranges common today in the Muddle East. Plus it is so light and short the wind blows it around a lot,and wind is a serious accuracy concern in long range shooting in mountainous areas. That's why the US Military is searching for a replacement round. They need to push heavier bullets out at longer ranges. It is MY contention they could have just picked up the phone,called FN in Belgium,and said "Uhhh,we want a shipload of 7x57 FN-FAL's,extra magazines,cleaning kits,and extra parts sent to the US this week. How much?",and the first order would have been on the way. IMNSHO,the 7x57 is the smallest case/caliber combination that will fit current needs. Small enough in diameter than when you load them with the heavier boattail 7mm bullets they are very accurate and still retain a reasonable amount of energy downrange. As an added bonus,the FAL has an adjustable gas system,and you can tune it to shoot heavier or lighter bullets with reduced recoil. Which means you can get it back on target sooner. No,they will NOT replace the professional sniper Ma Deuce sniper rifles,but they will certainly do the trick for a squad battle rifle. I have no idea why we keep wanting to re-invent the wheel,unless it is to make sure some politicians son or nephew gets a sales or R&D contract. The Germans were using the 7x57 Mausers as sniper rifles from the late 1800's to the 1930's,and doing a fine job with it. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.
#2. To: BTP Holdings (#0)
The FN FAL is one of the greatest battle rifles ever made. Politics caused the U.S. to pass on it while nearly every other NATO country in the world recognized its superiority. And the 7.62 NATO is one of the greatest battle rounds ever made. But we needed an intermediate round. Here's the story.
#3. To: sneakypete (#2)
BTW,the .308 is a great round,but the 7x57 mm round is better for bucking wind across valleys at long ranges. When you move up to the longer boat tail heavy bullets in 30 caliber,you need the case capacity of the magnums for long shots.
I used to be in a hurry, then I figured out I was just getting nowhere fast.
#4. To: IRTorqued (#3)
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once again you are full of crap 6.5 x 55
#5. To: sneakypete (#4)
I used to be in a hurry, then I figured out I was just getting nowhere fast.
#6. To: sneakypete (#2)
-Alex Kurtagic 
#7. To: IRTorqued (#5)
so you say
#8. To: X-15 (#6)
Uncle Scam will only accept a New caliber that financially benefits the usual suspects before it trickles down to the civilian shooting world. What obscene profit (contractors) and exorbitant expense (ripping off The People) is there to be made by using a perfectly suitable caliber already in existence??
#9. To: sneakypete (#2)
I would just pick up the phone,call FN and say "I need an initial order of 2,000 FN-FAL rifles chambered for the 7x57 round,spare magazines,bayonets,cleaning kits,and spare parts. When can I expect delivery?"
#10. To: X-15 (#6)
Uncle Scam will only accept a New caliber that financially benefits the usual suspects before it trickles down to the civilian shooting world. What obscene profit (contractors) and exorbitant expense (ripping off The People) is there to be made by using a perfectly suitable caliber already in existence??
#11. To: BTP Holdings (#9)
Were you a weapons specialist when you were stationed in Laos? ;)
#12. To: sneakypete (#11)
apply first aid to the wounded. It's all a part of the same job.
#13. To: X-15 (#6)
What obscene profit (contractors) and exorbitant expense (ripping off The People) is there to be made by using a perfectly suitable caliber already in existence??
#14. To: Lod (#13)
Can we say .30-06?
#15. To: Lod (#13)
Can we say .30-06?
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