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Title: Texas AG supports school district in Pledge of Allegiance lawsuit
Source: Faux news
URL Source: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/09/2 ... pledge-allegiance-lawsuit.html
Published: Sep 27, 2018
Author: Ryan Gaydos
Post Date: 2018-09-27 19:50:32 by titorite
Keywords: None
Views: 266
Comments: 12

A Texas school district being sued by a black student who was kicked out for refusing to stand for the Pledge of Allegiance received support from the state attorney general Tuesday.

Ken Paxton backed the Cypress-Fairbanks Independent School District as it battles the lawsuit. Kizzy Landry sued the district on behalf of her 18-year-old daughter, India, after India was kicked out of Windfern High School in October 2017 for refusing to stand for the pledge.

India Landry said at the time she was inspired by NFL players who decided to kneel during the national anthem to protest perceived racial injustices, according to the Houston Chronicle.

“I felt the flag doesn’t represent what it stands for, liberty and justice for all and I don’t feel what is going on in the country, so it was my choice to remain seated, silently,” she said. “It was a silent protest.” India said she protested the Pledge about 200 times without incident. Then she engaged in the protest while in her principal's office.

“Principal Strother upon seeing this immediately expelled India from school saying ‘Well you’re kicked outta here,’” the lawsuit complaint states. A school secretary then allegedly added: “This is not the NFL.”

While parents in Texas could sign a waiver allowing their kids to sit for the pledge, Kizzy Landry claimed forcing schoolchildren to recite the pledge violates their free speech. Paxton argued, “School children cannot unilaterally refuse to participate in the pledge,” the Dallas Morning-News reported. “Requiring the Pledge to be recited at the start of every school day has the laudable result of fostering respect for our flag and a patriotic love of our country,” Paxton said in a statement. “This case is about providing for the saying of the Pledge of Allegiance while respecting the parental right to direct the education of children.”

Landry has not returned to the school and missed her graduation, KHOU reported. The case is set to go to trial April 15.

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I dont see what the girls race has to do with anything, I think thats just the Lame Stream Media playing up that part for sensationalism but what is at the heart of the matter is free speech. She doesnt wanna say the pledge of allegiance.

Big deal neither did I in school but for different reasons... I felt is was kinda nazish to demand a pledge of loyalty. Kinda hitler youth sorta thing. I knew most of my class mates never thought about it and couldn't define half the words in the pledge...but they were reciting it by rote the programming of the propaganda buried deep into their minds... So Fuck no fuck a loyalty pledge , What did napoleon say

"A soldier will fight long and hard for a bit of colored ribbon." - Napoleon Bonaparte

Liberty and justice for all is a bit more important to me than some colored ribbon....

SO this colored girl doesnt want to say the pledge, so fucking what. That is her constitutional right. Affirmed by the supreme court. This aint the first time a child refused to say the pledge. Their's precedent. Ken Paxton is a fucking idiot for not knowing that and fucktard for supporting the schools attempted suppression if this girls 1st amendment right. She cant be compelled to say it and should not be punished for not saying it.

She has the liberty and right to speak or not speak. Fuck that school and fuck ken paxton.

titorite  posted on  2018-09-27   19:58:14 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Liege: noun

a feudal lord entitled to allegiance and service.

a feudal vassal or subject.

The kid's right, you're right, and I am in total agreement. The pledge is bullshit especially when you understand the meaning of "Liege" !

noone222  posted on  2018-09-28   5:35:29 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Liege: noun

a feudal lord entitled to allegiance and service.

a feudal vassal or subject.

... The pledge is bullshit especially when you understand the meaning of "Liege" !

Nobody is expected to kneel as a feudal vassal for the Pledge of Allegiance or our National Anthem either. It's more than slightly ironic, though - imo, that some oppositionals have claimed to be so disgruntled with America that they'd ... what? Intentionally assume that "Liege" posturance during the Anthem as an offensive joke or something? I have to wonder why but can't even think of logistical reasons that don't amount to bad sportsmanship and intrusively worse.

GreyLmist  posted on  2018-09-28   7:25:20 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

That all aside, I think it is perfectly ok for any to say or not say the pledge voluntarily. And that is the whole sum of it. Forcing people to do as you will is force. She has a right to her speech. She chooses not to say the pledge or stand for the pledge this does not impact other people. Pride be damned.

More over as I said, this aint the first kid to refuse to say the pledge. Its been ruled on and their is precedent the principle fucked up expelling her and now the school district and tax payers are gonna have to pay the price for the pride of patriotism.

titorite  posted on  2018-09-28   22:22:24 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

That all aside, I think it is perfectly ok for any to say or not say the pledge voluntarily. And that is the whole sum of it. Forcing people to do as you will is force. She has a right to her speech. She chooses not to say the pledge or stand for the pledge this does not impact other people. Pride be damned.

More over as I said, this aint the first kid to refuse to say the pledge. Its been ruled on and their is precedent the principle fucked up expelling her and now the school district and tax payers are gonna have to pay the price for the pride of patriotism.

In no way do I mean for the sincere efforts of vigilance by you, none, et al to be depreciated by my perspective that this particular case is not really about an alleged Freedom of Speech issue at all, like it's reported be, and so isn't even worthy of your well-intentioned interventions, in my humble opinion. If you go back and read through it again, I think you'll find and might agree then that the school forced no student whatsoever to recite the Pledge (as her mother deflected the matter to about but is actually not about the First Amendment, except to the extent that it's being misused to gloss over quite a number of conniving issues and motives involved in the background staging of this.) Nor were any students forced to stand for the Pledge or even forced to muster enough quietude in respect for the Speech rights of others who did want to recite it. They were probably also free to go sit someplace else, like a room at the office, where they wouldn't have to see the participants or as many -- all they needed to do was get a signed permission form from one of their parents or guardians and then they were clearance-freed to sit down if they couldn't bear to stand through it long enough out of silent respect for the rights of their classmates and others; just simply sit down, quietly and non-disruptively.

The first issues of importance (and I'm open to being corrected if you think I'm wrong) are these 3:

1. Did she or did she not bring in the custodial permission form to sit down for the Pledge?

2. Was she sent to the office because she was disruptive while sitting down at that time?

3. Was she expelled because she didn't have the required permission on file to sit down through the Pledge, despite having gotten away with doing so numerous times before?

That's about all I have the online time to say for now on this subject but will look forward to posted viewpoints and discussing this further if anyone might want to do that: relevant school system issues, Parental Rights issues, historical issues, distorted historical issues and the Reparations Movement, lawsuit mania, the Cultural Marxist/Communist agendas to divide and conquer America, etc.

GreyLmist  posted on  2018-09-29   10:13:40 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

#9. To: GreyLmist (#8) (Edited)

The 1st amendment applies to children as well as adults. Kids dont need premission to speak , nor can they be compelled to speak against their will. India , doesnt need a parental slip to remain silent during the pledge not can she be compelled to stand for it. She has the same right to expression as you or I, and remaining seated and silent can not be construed as being disruptive.

She should never of been punished for her choice to remain seated and silent.

education.findlaw.com/stu...the-pledge-of-allegiance- http://and-legal-">education.findlaw.com/stu...-of-allegiance-and-legal- challenges-in-education.html

One of the enduring traditions in public education is the recitation of the U.S. Pledge of Allegiance before the start of class, often while standing with one hand on the heart. But given both the protections of individuals and restraints on the government (public schools are government entities) required by the First Amendment to the Constitution, do students or school staff have to participate in the Pledge? And can students be reprimanded or retaliated against for refusing (sitting or "taking a knee"), in protest or for other personal reasons? The short answer is "no," but there's a long history of jurisprudence leading to that conclusion. The following is a summary of the Pledge of Allegiance and legal challenges in education. 1943: Supreme Court Upholds Establishment Clause In West Virginia State Board of Education v. Barnette (1943), the Supreme Court ruled that requiring the Pledge of Allegiance in public schools violated the First and Fourteenth Amendments. The case grew out of West Virginia's passage of legislation requiring the pledge and flag-saluting. Lawmakers had intended them to be part of instruction on civics, history, and the Constitution, and they defined noncompliance as insubordination that was punishable by expulsion from school. Parents of expelled students were also subject to fines. After Jehovah's Witnesses students were expelled, their parents brought suit contending that the law infringed upon their religious beliefs, which they said required them not to engage in these secular practices. The Supreme Court found two constitutional violations. The state law violated the Fourteenth Amendment's requirement of due process and the First Amendment's requirements of religious freedom and free speech upon the state. At heart, said the Court, were the principles of freedom of thought and government by consent. Critically, the majority observed a right of individuals to be free from official pressure to state a particular opinion, including that they honor their government. The opinion declared that "no official, high or petty, can prescribe what shall be orthodox in politics, nationalism, religion, or other matters of opinion or force citizens to confess by word or act their faith therein." New Challenges in the 1990s In the 1990s, the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) repeatedly defended students in school districts who suffered reprisals for failing to participate in the Pledge of Allegiance. In 1998, for instance, the ACLU filed a federal lawsuit against the Fallbrook Union High School District of San Diego, California, after school officials required a dissenting student to stand silently during the pledge, leave the classroom, or face detention; settling the case out of court, the school district agreed to change its policy. "One Nation Under God" and the Constitution: SCOTUS Weighs In A decision by a three- judge panel of the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals in 2002 stirred the debate over whether the Pledge violates the Constitution. Michael A. Newdow, an avowed atheist, challenged a policy of the Elk Grove (California) Unified School District that required students to recite the Pledge. According to Newdow, because the Pledge includes the phrase "under God," the school's required recitation amounted to an unconstitutional endorsement of religion. The panel of the Ninth Circuit agreed with Newdow and held that the school district had violated the Constitution. The full panel of the Ninth Circuit allowed the decision to stand, but the school district appealed to the U.S. Supreme Court. In Elk Grove Unified School District v. Newdow (2004), the Supreme Court reversed the Ninth Circuit, but only because the Court determined that Newdow did not have standing to bring the case. Accordingly, the Court did not rule on the question of whether the Pledge violates the Establishment Clause. In 2005, Newdow again challenged the constitutionality of the Pledge by bringing suit in a federal district court in California. The court followed the previous decision of the Ninth Circuit and determined that the Pledge indeed violated the Constitution, but the case was later reversed on appeal to the Ninth Circuit (Newdow v. Rio Linda Union Sch. Dist., 2010). The Court determined that the recitation of the pledge -- and, specifically, the school's role in leading it -- does not violate the Establishment Clause. However, it's worth repeating that students have the right to refuse to participate without fear of punishment or retaliation.<.b>

titorite  posted on  2018-09-29 19:33:40 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

When I was in the 5th grade we went into operation desert shield / desert storm. Things started to get real fruity about then. We went from saying the pledge to saying the pledge, having moments of silence, saying prayers for the soldiers, and everyday listening to the song "Proud to be an American" That was about the time I stopped saying the pledge. Although I did stand with the crowd so as to not draw unwanted attention to attention to myself from the other zombies humming along as they were told too. God knows I had enough trouble from bullies and spiteful teachers in school.

titorite  posted on  2018-09-29 19:44:47 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Cultural Marxist/Communist agendas to divide and conquer America, etc.

America is being run by cultural Marxists that have been elected and funded by their own kind and obeyed by the majority. The behavior of America has been a geopolitical tyranny of murder and mayhem for its entire history though the populace has been propagandized to believe America was always the defender of freedom and democracy. An honest appraisal of America's actions towards its own people and the people of the world might cause an honest person to burn the flag or throw rocks at it. The public school system has proven itself deficient in educating and proficient in propagandizing the student to believe a myriad of falsehoods. Maybe the students (lieges) would fare better without it.

noone222  posted on  2018-09-30 09:43:51 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

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