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Title: Skater charged with assault on officer
Source: The Dallas Morning News
URL Source: http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcon ... 31706dnmetskater.304e63a6.html
Published: Mar 16, 2006
Author: ROBERT THARP
Post Date: 2006-03-18 02:02:18 by Starwind
Keywords: charged, assault, officer
Views: 3749
Comments: 228

Witnesses denied she was aggressor; internal investigation continuing

09:38 PM CST on Thursday, March 16, 2006

By ROBERT THARP / The Dallas Morning News

A Dallas Roller Derby skater was indicted Thursday on a felony charge of assaulting a Dallas police officer stemming from a January incident in which she and several witnesses say the officer was the aggressor and used excessive force.

Reports related to the indictment charge that Michelle Metzinger, 25, was belligerent and fought with Officer Ceaphus Gordon after the officer asked to see her identification because, he said, she had been roller skating recklessly through traffic on Elm Street in Deep Ellum.

Michelle Metzinger

According to Officer Gordon's report, Ms. Metzinger tried to gouge his eye with her fingers when he tried to handcuff and arrest her on a charge of public intoxication.

The officer then tried to force Ms. Metzinger to the sidewalk using a "straight arm bar take down," but instead, she "rolled from the police car to the ground," his report says. Ms. Metzinger continued scratching and kicking the officer on the ground, the report says.

Officer Gordon described his injuries as three 1/8th-inch scratches near his right eye and scratches and bruises on his chin.

He described Ms. Metzinger's injury as a "small laceration that required a stitch," although his report indicates that she spent five hours at Parkland Memorial Hospital before she was taken to jail.

Kevin Clancy, Ms. Metzinger's attorney, said he was disappointed that he was not allowed to present evidence to the grand jury that would have offered a different account of what happened.

Eight witnesses to the arrest have filed affidavits saying that Ms. Metzinger was not intoxicated and that she did not resist the officer.

The witnesses state that after Ms. Metzinger was forced to the ground, Officer Gordon put his knee on her back or neck while he was handcuffing her, which is not described in the officer's reports.

"I think it's a travesty that this poor girl was charged with this," Mr. Clancy said. "I really do think that the grand jury did not look at the evidence."

A separate investigation into the incident by Dallas police internal affairs is ongoing.

Mr. Clancy said Dallas police have so far not interviewed any of the witnesses.

Officer Gordon has had 27 complaints filed against him in his 14-year career, most of which were ruled "unfounded" or "inconclusive." Of those inconclusive complaints, at least two involved allegations of excessive force.

E-mail rtharp@dallasnews.com


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#93. To: ruthie (#91)

*Muff Thumper News*

LOL!! Gotta love it!! Too funny ruthie.

Zipporah  posted on  2006-03-29   19:16:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#94. To: All (#90)

I found this from another site:

http://www.capitol.state.tx.us/.../htm/pe.010.00.000049.00.htm
CHAPTER 49. INTOXICATION AND ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE OFFENSES


§ 49.01. DEFINITIONS.  In this chapter:
(1)  "Alcohol concentration" means the number of grams
of alcohol per:
(A)  210 liters of breath;
(B)  100 milliliters of blood;  or
(C)  67 milliliters of urine.
(2)  "Intoxicated" means:
(A)  not having the normal use of mental or 
physical faculties by reason of the introduction of alcohol, a 
controlled substance, a drug, a dangerous drug, a combination of 
two or more of those substances, or any other substance into the 

body;  or
(B)  having an alcohol concentration of 0.08 or 
more.  
(3)  "Motor vehicle" has the meaning assigned by 
Section 32.34(a).
(4)  "Watercraft" means a vessel, one or more water 
skis, an aquaplane, or another device used for transporting or 
carrying a person on water, other than a device propelled only by 
the current of water.
(5)  "Amusement ride" has the meaning assigned by 
Section 2151.002, Occupations Code.
(6)  "Mobile amusement ride" has the meaning assigned 
by Section 2151.002, Occupations Code.

Added by Acts 1993, 73rd Leg., ch. 900, § 1.01, eff. Sept. 1, 
1994.  Amended by Acts 1999, 76th Leg., ch. 234, § 1, eff. Sept. 
1, 1999;  Acts 1999, 76th Leg., ch. 1364, § 8, eff. Jan. 1, 2000;  
Acts 2001, 77th Leg., ch. 1420, § 14.707, eff. Sept. 1, 2001.


§ 49.02. PUBLIC INTOXICATION.  (a) A person commits an 
offense if the person appears in a public place while intoxicated to 
the degree that the person may endanger the person or another.
(b)  It is a defense to prosecution under this section that 
the alcohol or other substance was administered for therapeutic 
purposes and as a part of the person's professional medical 
treatment by a licensed physician.
(c)  Except as provided by Subsection (e), an offense under 
this section is a Class C misdemeanor.
(d)  An offense under this section is not a lesser included 
offense under Section 49.04.
(e)  An offense under this section committed by a person 
younger than 21 years of age is punishable in the same manner as if 
the minor committed an offense to which Section 106.071, Alcoholic 
Beverage Code, applies.

Added by Acts 1993, 73rd Leg., ch. 900, § 1.01, eff. Sept. 1, 
1994.  Amended by Acts 1997, 75th Leg., ch. 1013, § 12, eff. 
Sept. 1, 1997.

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Starwind  posted on  2006-03-29   19:52:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#95. To: All (#94)

Officials Make Public Intoxication Arrests Inside Bars

POSTED: 4:04 pm CST March 15, 2006 IRVING, Texas -- The Texas Alcoholic Beverage Commission has taken its fight against drunken driving to a new level. TABC agents, along with Irving police, targeted 36 bars and clubs Friday, arresting some allegedly intoxicated patrons before they departed the businesses.

The officers and agents also kept watch on bartenders who might have over-served patrons.

Agents arrested 30 people Friday night. Most of the suspects now face charges of public intoxication.

The agents and Irving police officers traveled from bar to bar and worked undercover, according to an NBC 5 report.

The report also said that some agents shared tables with suspected drunken patrons. Some patrons were subjected to field sobriety tests inside bars.

Agents and officers said the operation represented an effort to reduce drunken driving.

Sgt. Chris Hamilton, of the TABC, said some inebriated bar patrons "end up killing themselves or someone else" after departing the businesses.

Bar Sweep Sparks Controversy

Comedian Weighs In On Public Intoxication Arrests

POSTED: 3:59 pm CST March 21, 2006 FORT WORTH, Texas -- The Texas Alcoholic Beverage Commission sent a message to bar patrons last week.

TABC agents and Irving police swept through 36 Irving bars and arrested about 30 people on charges of public intoxication. Agency representatives say the move came as a proactive measure to curtail drunken driving.

North Texans interviewed by NBC 5, however, worried that the sweep went too far.

At one location, for example, agents and police arrested patrons of a hotel bar. Some of the suspects said they were registered at the hotel and had no intention of driving. Arresting authorities said the patrons were a danger to themselves and others.

"Going to a bar is not an opportunity to go get drunk," TABC Capt. David Alexander said. "It's to have a good time but not to get drunk."

Dallas comedian Steve Harvey agreed with the Texas residents who said the arrests infringed on individual rights.

"If a guy's got a designated driver, go ahead and let him get toasted," Harvey told NBC 5.

Texas law states that inebriated individuals could be subjected to arrest anywhere for public intoxication. Harvey and other North Texans called the measure extreme.

"That seems to be an extreme case," one man said. "You are self-contained, in the hotel, you're not going in the streets, it seems a little ridiculous."

TABC officials said the sweep concerned saving lives, not individual rights. Harvey and others interviewed by NBC 5 said they believe drunken driving to be unacceptable, although Harvey wanted to confirm that the United States remains a free country.

"Freedom of drinking should always be allowed, and it is only American to let a guy get drunk where he wants to get drunk," Harvey said.

Lawmakers To Review Bar Busts

Program Results In 2,200 Arrests

POSTED: 6:35 pm CST March 25, 2006 UPDATED: 9:48 am CST March 27, 2006 AUSTIN -- Lawmakers plan to review a state drinking crackdown that uses undercover agents to arrest drunk people in bars.

The Texas Alcoholic Beverage Commission program, designed to stem public intoxication and drunken driving, has resulted in more than 2,200 arrests or citations since it began in August.

But the program has been criticized after news reports following the most recent busts, at 30 Dallas-area bars this month.

"I'm getting all those same e-mails, the Nazi, Taliban, Gestapo e-mails," said commission spokeswoman Carolyn Beck. "I don't really understand the hateful outrage. I don't understand, 'Die in a fire.' "

Legislators who oversee the commission said they agree with the emphasis on public safety, but the program should be reviewed to check for abuses and to measure its effectiveness.

"Somebody hanging around the hotel, a little stumbling on the way to their room? I don't think that was what we were focusing on," said Rep. Peggy Hamric, R- Houston, who authored a proposed rewrite of the statute authorizing the agency.

Rep. Kino Flores, chairman of the House Licensing and Administrative Procedures, said he plans to call a meeting next month to examine the commission's work.

"We're looking at it and we're going to be looking at it: Are we going too far, or do we need to go further?" the Mission Democrat said.

Sen. John Whitmire, a Houston Democrat and member of both the powerful Senate Finance Committee and the Criminal Justice Committee that oversees the commission, defended the principle of in-bar citations.

"Even though a public drunk is not planning on driving, that could change in an instant," he said. "There is certainly potential danger."

According to the Mothers Against Drunk Driving Web site, Texas had 1,264 alcohol-related traffic fatalities in 2004, the most in the nation.

The commission also points out that being drunk in public, even in a place licensed to sell alcohol, is against the law.

"We can't ignore somebody who's obviously breaking the law," Beck said.

In Texas, the blood alcohol limit for drunken driving is .08. But the law defines public intoxication as "not having the normal use of mental or physical faculties." Public intoxication is a Class C misdemeanor punishable by a fine of up to $500. An offender can be cited or arrested.

Under the state program, bar patrons may be approached if an officer spots them behaving erratically. The officer will perform a field sobriety test similar to one for drunken drivers. A suspect may also be asked to take a breath test, although it is not required, Beck said.

While Whitmore supports the safety aspect of the program, he also said lawmakers should examine whether the agency, which is funded by fees it collects, is motivated to stricter enforcement by fiscal concerns.

Sen. Chris Harris, a Republican whose district includes Irving, called the recent arrests in his area "very questionable."

"At first, I was generally totally in agreement with them," he said. "But there are too many stories that demonstrate an abuse of power."

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Starwind  posted on  2006-03-29   20:05:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#96. To: Starwind, all (#90)

What happened to this thread? Does it look weird to anyone else?

Jethro Tull  posted on  2006-03-29   20:20:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#97. To: christine, Zipporah, ruthie (#59)

To shrink the photos but make them fully enlargable with a click, could one of you edit ruthie's post #59 and replace her img html as follows, but replace the [ with < and ] with > so the html works:

(click to enlarge)
[p]
[a href="http://img81.imageshack.us/img81/5805/1kbvk9f1vg.jpg"]
   [img src="http://img81.imageshack.us/img81/5805/1kbvk9f1vg.jpg" 
    width=600 height=615]
[/a]
[p]
(click to enlarge)

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Starwind  posted on  2006-03-29   20:26:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#98. To: christine, Zipporah, ruthie (#60)

To shrink the photos but make them fully enlargable with a click, could one of you edit ruthie's post #60 and replace her img html as follows, but replace the [ with < and ] with > so the html works:

(click to enlarge)
[p]
[a href="http://img129.imageshack.us/img129/9489/2kbvklua7qd.jpg"]
   [img src="http://img129.imageshack.us/img129/9489/2kbvklua7qd.jpg" 
    width=600 height=445]
[/a]
[p]
(click to enlarge)

(The Gospel of Jesus Christ is the only true good news)

Starwind  posted on  2006-03-29   20:30:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#99. To: christine, Zipporah, ruthie (#61)

To shrink the photos but make them fully enlargable with a click, could one of you edit ruthie's post #61 and replace her img html as follows, but replace the [ with < and ] with > so the html works:

(click to enlarge)
[p]
[a href="http://img475.imageshack.us/img475/7158/partnerincar7po.jpg"]
   [img src="http://img475.imageshack.us/img475/7158/partnerincar7po.jpg" 
    width=750 height=565]
[/a]
[p]
(click to enlarge)

(The Gospel of Jesus Christ is the only true good news)

Starwind  posted on  2006-03-29   20:32:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#100. To: Starwind (#98)

Okay.. I've not looked to see if what the properties are .. they're already in imageshack?

Zipporah  posted on  2006-03-29   20:32:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#101. To: Jethro Tull (#96)

What happened to this thread? Does it look weird to anyone else?

No JT ..its you.. looks fine to me. ;)

Just kidding .. the images are too large..

Zipporah  posted on  2006-03-29   20:33:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#102. To: christine, Zipporah, ruthie (#62)

To shrink the photos but make them fully enlargable with a click, could one of you edit ruthie's post #62 and replace her img html as follows, but replace the [ with < and ] with > so the html works:

(click to enlarge)
[p]
[a href="http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/8748/3kbvkpia2an.jpg"]
   [img src="http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/8748/3kbvkpia2an.jpg" 
    width=450 height=575]
[/a]
[p]
(click to enlarge)

(The Gospel of Jesus Christ is the only true good news)

Starwind  posted on  2006-03-29   20:35:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#103. To: Zipporah (#100)

Okay.. I've not looked to see if what the properties are .. they're already in imageshack?

I'm pretty sure I've scoped it all out correctly.

Just copy the specific html I gave you for each photo post, but replace the [ with < and ] with >

(I had to use [ ] to show you what to do, 'cause if I used < > it would have been processed for real instead of displayed for you)

(The Gospel of Jesus Christ is the only true good news)

Starwind  posted on  2006-03-29   20:38:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#104. To: Zipporah (#101)

Egad. Can we shrink them? I actually don't even see them.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2006-03-29   20:40:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#105. To: Jethro Tull (#104)

Egad. Can we shrink them? I actually don't even see them

NAW.. its kinda fun the way it is.. ;P

Zipporah  posted on  2006-03-29   21:12:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#106. To: All, christine (#99)

Yeah, puppy likes this thread! ;)

HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2006-03-29   21:46:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#107. To: HOUNDDAWG (#106)

Yeah, puppy likes this thread! ;)

Why am I not surprised.. you flirt! ;)

Zipporah  posted on  2006-03-29   22:10:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#108. To: Starwind, Zipporah, Christine (#102)

(click to enlarge) [p] [a href="http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/8748/3kbvkpia2an.jpg"] [img src="http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/8748/3kbvkpia2an.jpg" width=450 height=575] [/a] [p] (click to enlarge)

That's a clever idea, Star. I didn't even think of that kind of approach. I did it to the image in #59.

Neil McIver  posted on  2006-03-29   22:44:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#109. To: Neil McIver, Zipporah, Christine (#108)

That's a clever idea, Star. I didn't even think of that kind of approach. I did it to the image in #59.

Thank you Neil.

One minor glitch, the aspect ratio is wrong, in post #59 the parameters should be width=600 height=615. It looks like they were entered wrong.

Also, looks like in post #60 they should be width=600 height=445

(The Gospel of Jesus Christ is the only true good news)

Starwind  posted on  2006-03-30   2:20:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#110. To: Starwind, *Muff Thumper News* (#109)

oops - i'm very sorry for the problems with the large pictures - i didn't understand how to make smaller linked ones and hope i haven't caused too much hassle. please, how do you edit a post? i didn't think it could be done...

love

ruthie
XXXXXX
http://www.myspace.com/ruthiesb69

ruthie  posted on  2006-03-30   3:43:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#111. To: Zipporah, christine (#107)

Yeah, puppy likes this thread! ;)

Why am I not surprised.. you flirt! ;)

Well, I can be serious, too, and if at any time you feel that my post(s) is/are unseemly or otherwise detract from the subject or the forum, please say so (preferrably before you boot me) and I will cheerfully refrain.

I appreciate your hospitality and I wouldn't want to wear out my welcome.

"...I never touched her, Judge. Honest!" ;)

HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2006-03-30   9:12:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#112. To: HOUNDDAWG, *Muff Thumper News* (#111)

Well, I can be serious, too, and if at any time you feel that my post(s) is/are unseemly or otherwise detract from the subject or the forum, please say so (preferrably before you boot me) and I will cheerfully refrain.

I appreciate your hospitality and I wouldn't want to wear out my welcome.

"...I never touched her, Judge. Honest!" ;)

LOL! well, i took your comments as a compliment and i'm sure Muff Thumper aka Michelle would too :)

i will ask her if possible to email me a signed picture for your scrapbook, Hounddawg ;)

love

ruthie
XXXXXX
http://www.myspace.com/ruthiesb69

ruthie  posted on  2006-03-30   10:50:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#113. To: Starwind, Zipporah, christine, ruthie (#109)

I've got the images on this thread adjusted.

Auto adjusting the image sizes is problematic because the images are never seen by the web server. They originate from the original web source and get xferred directly to the users browser, so the server never has a change to find out how big images are. Maybe there's a way around that, though but it's not simple.

But I could put some kind of a tool on the posting page that would aid it letting users set the image dimensions if they feel it's called for. I don't know of any HTML code that simply sets a maximum size for an image, which would be quite handy. It's either let it be the natural size of the image or force it to some specific size.

I'm open to ideas.

Neil McIver  posted on  2006-03-30   11:47:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#114. To: Neil McIver (#113)

Neil.. I fixed an image on another thread.. with some help from a friend.. I used %s rather than size parameters..

Zipporah  posted on  2006-03-30   11:48:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#115. To: Neil McIver, STARWIND (#113)

But I could put some kind of a tool on the posting page that would aid it letting users set the image dimensions if they feel it's called for. I don't know of any HTML code that simply sets a maximum size for an image, which would be quite handy. It's either let it be the natural size of the image or force it to some specific size.

I'm open to ideas.

Hmmm I wonder if there is HTML code to limit image size on a given page? Maybe Starwind would know?? Or someone else perhaps??

Zipporah  posted on  2006-03-30   11:50:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#116. To: ruthie, christine (#112)

LOL! well, i took your comments as a compliment and i'm sure Muff Thumper aka Michelle would too :)

i will ask her if possible to email me a signed picture for your scrapbook, Hounddawg ;)

love

ruthie XXXXXX

Great! Thank you! I'll put it in a place of honor, right next to the 600 or so I have of christine!

HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2006-03-30   15:57:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#117. To: Neil McIver, Zipporah (#113)

I've got the images on this thread adjusted.

Well, not quite yet.

The 1st two photo's and the last photo are now perfect.

But the photo in post #61 is still incorrect. It still has two typo's in it.

1) above the photo is a spurious & #034; width=>< /a> which needs to be cut out.

2) the width & height values are in quotes
height=& #034;575& #034; width=& #034;450& #034;

and simply needs to be replaced with

width=750 height=565 
(exactly as shown without quotes)

(The Gospel of Jesus Christ is the only true good news)

Starwind  posted on  2006-03-30   17:05:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#118. To: Starwind, Zipporah, christine (#117)

Got it. Not sure how I messed that up.

One possible way to deal with big graphics is to put an image form on the post comment/article page. If an image is too big, you could type/paste the url into a tiny form and click a button, and it would show a popup box that would display the HTML to paste into the comment/article to reduce the image size, perhaps in the form you (Star) came up with where you can click to see the full size image. Default dimensions could be displayed and readily changed by the poster. It would still require some care by posters to do it right, and might be confusing to the less adept, but it would at least offer a solution.

Using percentages instead of absolute pixel counts can be handy, but when applied to many graphics can cause it to lose sharpness.

It's possible that javascript could measure an image size (I'm not sure what js can do) and aid in the posting process, but I hesitate to use js since it may not run the same on macs, linux or PC's. Maybe things are a bit more uniform js than they used to be, but there used to be compatibility headaches in trying to use js with many different browsers and Operating systems.

Neil McIver  posted on  2006-03-30   19:52:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#119. To: Neil McIver (#118)

Using percentages instead of absolute pixel counts can be handy, but when applied to many graphics can cause it to lose sharpness.

Well I dont think that is all that important do you really?

Zipporah  posted on  2006-03-30   19:54:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#120. To: Neil McIver (#118)

i'm still seeing the text outside of the right and left lines.

A nation blind to their disgrace...

christine  posted on  2006-03-30   20:05:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#121. To: christine, Starwind (#120)

How's it now? Fixed?

Starwind, there was a separate problem with your post #94 having nothing to do with the wide images. I saw on the full sized "Brushed" look that there was some L/R scrolling, and it was apparently tied to the contents of the "pre" tag in your post 94. A few of the lines had a goodly number of trailing spaces which the browser made room for. I also took out one of the two pair of blockquote tags as it seems the bolded text inside the "pre" tags was forcing extra width.

Might be tied to the style sheet of the 100% brushed look, but just fyi. (Not a common enough problem to worry about perhaps... all considered).

Neil McIver  posted on  2006-03-30   22:10:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#122. To: Neil McIver (#121)

fixed, no l/r scroll

Thanks for Prohibition and the war against drugs. Thanks for a country where nobody's allowed to mind their own business. Thanks for a nation of finks. Yes, thanks for all the memories-- all right let's see your arms!- William S Burroughs

Dakmar  posted on  2006-03-30   22:12:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#123. To: Dakmar, *Muff Thumper News* (#122)

wow - you guys have really tidied up! thank you for sorting out the pics so well :)

no news re Michelle at present but if i spot anything i'll post it...

love

ruthie
XXXXXX
http://www.myspace.com/ruthiesb69

ruthie  posted on  2006-04-01   3:40:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#124. To: Neil McIver (#121)

How's it now? Fixed?

It looks maaavelous, daaahling, maaavelous.

and it was apparently tied to the contents of the "pre" tag in your post 94. A few of the lines had a goodly number of trailing spaces which the browser made room for. I also took out one of the two pair of blockquote tags as it seems the bolded text inside the "pre" tags was forcing extra width.

I did notice the formatting at the source link in that post was a mite hosed (wrapped lines and maybe some indentation tabs) but didn't notice the effect as I assumed all was due to the wide photos.

But everything is copacetic. Much thanks.

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Starwind  posted on  2006-04-01   12:16:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#125. To: ruthie (#123)

wow, ruthie, i just checked your "my space." you're in scotland and you're expecting your first child in july? best wishes!

A nation blind to their disgrace...

christine  posted on  2006-04-01   13:22:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#126. To: Neil McIver, HOUNDDAWG (#121)

all fixed!

A nation blind to their disgrace...

christine  posted on  2006-04-01   13:23:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#127. To: christine (#125)

wow, ruthie, i just checked your "my space." you're in scotland and you're expecting your first child in july? best wishes!

thank you, Christine :)

i'm just trying to get the hang of the myspace page - sort of obvious, isn't it? lol so far not found anyone to link with (sob!) but its pretty amazing...like this forum is amazing and eye-opening!

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ruthie
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http://www.myspace.com/ruthiesb69

ruthie  posted on  2006-04-01   14:26:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#128. To: christine, ruthie (#125)

wow, ruthie, i just checked your "my space." you're in scotland and you're expecting your first child in july? best wishes!

Oh wow!

I'll never forget the first time we were pregnant! I got to rub mommy down every day with Mother's Friend, and the baby got so used to me talking, singing and laughing while oiling mommy's skin that after his birth we were best friends as soon as things quieted down and he figured out who was who! And, he went everywhere with me for the next 15 years until he learned about girls.

And with our second, mommy and daughter both just kicked back and really enjoyed the attention! I think it's quite likely that my little girl was the happiest baby that ever spent over nine months in her mommy.

HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2006-04-03   1:09:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#129. To: HOUNDDAWG, *Muff Thumper News* (#128)

And with our second, mommy and daughter both just kicked back and really enjoyed the attention! I think it's quite likely that my little girl was the happiest baby that ever spent over nine months in her mommy.

awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww!

that's so cute!

oh and here's another thread talking about Michelle...

http://damageplan.net/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=2898&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0

love

ruthie
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love

ruthie
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http://www.myspace.com/ruthiesb69

ruthie  posted on  2006-04-03   16:36:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#130. To: ruthie (#129)

hey ruthie!! How are you??

Thanks for the link!.. Interesting how there was ONLY one person who was attacking Michele on this.. I still wonder what his connection was in her case?

Zipporah  posted on  2006-04-03   16:44:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#131. To: ruthie (#129)

awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww!

that's so cute!

Yeah, my little girl didn't want to come out. And, within 20 minutes of her birth she was making sucking noises so loud that people were coming to investigate! She wasn't even nursing yet, she was just sucking air really loud!

HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2006-04-04   11:35:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#132. To: Zipporah, *Muff Thumper News* (#130)

hey ruthie!! How are you??

i'm fine thanks - feeling fat, frumpy and frustrated (lol) but getting there. i'm not sure you can read too much into the one person thingy - it might have been to get people voting? anyway, it isn't really important...what's more important is demolishing any prosecution of Michelle and it would be VERY interesting to see how Officer Ceaphus Gordon and his colleagues coped under detailed cross-examination when we have the photos and the time duration to give accurate details. who, for example, is he going to get to corroborate his version? in fact, where was he at the time the first image was taken? which side of Michelle was he when she supposedly "attacked" him? his partner was apparently in the car...with the door shut and unable to see what his fine colleague was doing to the woman on the ground. the police cyclist parked his bicycle at the front of the police car AFTER Michelle was cuffed and sitting crying on the ground, so he seems to have arrived after the event. the famous "Richard" has shown his bias in the previous threads and these can be held up against him as a credible, impartial witness (if indeed he exists or was even there).

then there is the disciplinary record of Ceaphus Gordon - it would be really REALLY interesting to get more details on his background aired in a court. is his departmental record in the public domain? who released the details of his disciplinary file - the police??? or has he got police colleagues who are so disgusted that they want him disgraced and removed from duty?

love

ruthie
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http://www.myspace.com/ruthiesb69

ruthie  posted on  2006-04-04   15:10:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#133. To: ruthie (#132)

i'm fine thanks - feeling fat, frumpy and frustrated (lol) but getting there. i'm not sure you can read too much into the one person thingy - it might have been to get people voting? anyway, it isn't really important...what's more important is demolishing any prosecution of Michelle and it would be VERY interesting to see how Officer Ceaphus Gordon and his colleagues coped under detailed cross-examination when we have the photos and the time duration to give accurate details. who, for example, is he going to get to corroborate his version? in fact, where was he at the time the first image was taken? which side of Michelle was he when she supposedly "attacked" him? his partner was apparently in the car...with the door shut and unable to see what his fine colleague was doing to the woman on the ground. the police cyclist parked his bicycle at the front of the police car AFTER Michelle was cuffed and sitting crying on the ground, so he seems to have arrived after the event. the famous "Richard" has shown his bias in the previous threads and these can be held up against him as a credible, impartial witness (if indeed he exists or was even there).

then there is the disciplinary record of Ceaphus Gordon - it would be really REALLY interesting to get more details on his background aired in a court. is his departmental record in the public domain? who released the details of his disciplinary file - the police??? or has he got police colleagues who are so disgusted that they want him disgraced and removed from duty?

Been there sweetie more than once!! Hormonal and uncomfortable but at the end a sweet little one. Some of my best times were when my children were just babes in arms.. (getting tad sentimental here! )

Agreed.. I'd like to know as well.. it would be most interesting. I still wonder what interest "Richard" who showed here in defense of the officer in fact had? The why is what makes me curious.. In my personal opinion I doubt seriously that in fact he was a witness..

BTW ruthie how did all this come to your interest? Considering you're far far from Deep Elam?

Zipporah  posted on  2006-04-04   15:20:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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