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URL Source: http://www.thisdayinquotes.com/2011 ... and-let-god-sort-them-out.html
Published: Dec 30, 2018
Author: staff
Post Date: 2018-12-30 07:03:54 by Horse
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Views: 178
Comments: 4

“Kill them all and let God sort them out.”

In 1209, Pope Innocent III decided it was time to crack down on followers of a religious sect that had become popular in Southern France.

Originally called Albigensians, they came to be more widely known as the Cathars.

Cathars were Christians. But they rejected the authority of the Pope and other key aspects of Catholicism, so they were deemed heretics by the Catholic Church.

This apparently didn’t matter much to most people living in the French town of Beziers.

Catholics and Cathars had lived there together for many years in relative harmony.

On July 22, 1209, they were celebrating the annual Feast of Mary Magdalene together, a religious holiday observed by various Christian religions.

Suddenly, the festivities were cut short when an army of “Crusaders” sent by Pope Innocent III showed up outside the walls of the town.

The military leader of the army was Simon de Montfort, a French nobleman highly motivated by the Pope’s promise that he could keep the land of any heretics he killed.

The Crusaders were accompanied by an official representative of the Pope, a French Cistercian monk named Arnaud Amalric (also variously referred to as Arnald Amalric and Arnauld-Amaury).

De Montfort demanded that the leaders of Beziers turn over the town’s Cathar heretics to him. They refused. The Crusaders attacked.

According to accounts written decades later, as the attack began, a soldier asked Amalric how they would be able to tell which Beziers townspeople were Catholics and which were Cathars.

Amalric supposedly answered (in French):

“Kill them all. God will recognize his own.”

Some sources give the alleged quote as “Kill them all, for the Lord knows his own” or as “Kill them all. The Lord knows his own.”

It eventually came to be most commonly paraphrased as:

“Kill them all and let God sort them out.”

Scholars have debated whether Almaric actually said anything like those words.

But there’s no question that they reflect what happened that day.

De Montfort’s army killed virtually every man, woman and child in the town — estimated to be as many as 20,000 people — and burned Beziers to the ground.

The Beziers Massacre was just one of the first of many atrocities that occurred during the Albigensian Crusades.

Over the next four decades, roughly a million more people were killed during those bloody religious conflicts.

Amalric’s infamous quotation was updated during the Vietnam War, when the saying “Kill ‘em all, let God sort ‘em out” became popular among American Special Forces troops.

That “witticism” was put on unofficial Special Forces military patches, pins and t-shirts that are now sold as “collectibles” on eBay.

More recently, American troops fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan updated the saying again in the form: “Kill ‘em all. Let Allah sort ‘em out.”

T-shirts and bumper stickers using this newer variation are sold on various Internet sites.

It’s disconcerting that anyone can blithely talk about killing innocent people and letting them be “sorted out” later.

But as they used to say in ‘Nam — there it is.

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#1. To: Horse (#0)

Murder, maim,destroy, burn, rape: all in the name of god, my god not yours. FRELLING Hip-o-crates.

Darkwing  posted on  2018-12-30   8:20:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Horse (#0)

sect that had become popular in Southern France.

Originally called Albigensians, they came to be more widely known as the Cathars.


Roman era history: Gallia Narbonensis > Bierzo Edict


Gallia aka Septimania aka Gothia aka Languedoc

"a good deal can be known about surviving [Roman] pagan practices" [Septimania ref.] + other non-Christian [e.g. Zorastrian, Manichean, Gnostic], Anarchist and Nihilistic/human-extinction promotional doctrines of that region [See also: Existentialism and Postmodernism for contemporaneous-comparative refs.]


Albigenses - Properly speaking, Albigensianism was not a Christian heresy but an [un]Christian religion. ... principles that led directly not only to the ruin of Christianity, but to the very extinction of the human race. [newadvent.org ref.]


[Graphics warning] Who Were the Cathars? - The Albigensian Crusade - YouTube, 4 minutes | Published on Jan 21, 2017 by Real Crusades History

From the comments:

"they don't seem to be heretics as much as an entirely different theist religion altogether."

"Neo-Gnostics who at first, debated the Church members on matters of theology, then turned violent when they began losing the debates"

"Sounds eerily like progressive mantra of today"

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2019-01-13   15:06:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: GreyLmist (#2)

"Sounds eerily like progressive mantra of today"

Antifa? ;)

"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke

BTP Holdings  posted on  2019-01-13   15:35:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: BTP Holdings (#3) (Edited)

"Sounds eerily like progressive mantra of today"

Antifa? ;)


Antifa-like, yes, in response to the Pope's peaceful delegation of preachers but much more than that. The intrigues of this coastal-port region extend at least as far back as their 8th century alliance with the Muslim invaders and occupiers of it against Charles Martel's efforts to subdue the base at Narbonne, where he was stopped, then moved North. (ref. the Septimania link above ; governor Yusuf, Abd er-Rahman) Later (but before the Albigensian Crusade), this "Counts of Toulouse" region again figures into intrigues of the Holy Land Crusades with a treaty and alliance between Saladin and one of those counts named Raymond (as several of them were); etc. And again, one of the counts named Raymond is involved in the Albigensian "resistance" against the Pope's dialogue efforts and more intrigues, which resulted in that Count Raymond being ex-communicated twice.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2019-01-14   12:24:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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