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Title: Venezuela - 57% Say Maduro Is Their Legitimate President
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URL Source: https://www.lewrockwell.com/2019/02 ... is-their-legitimate-president/
Published: Feb 13, 2019
Author: Moon of Alabama
Post Date: 2019-02-13 10:09:06 by Ada
Keywords: None
Views: 125
Comments: 21

The legitimacy of a ruler can best be determined by asking the ruled people.

The independent Venezuelan polling firm Hinterlaces asked (in Spanish) 1,580 Venezuelans in direct interviews who they consider to be the legitimate president of Venezuela.

57% said that the Nicolás Maduro is the legitimated president. 32% said Juan Guaidó. 11% did not know or did not respond.

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The well-respected scientific research service of the German Bundestag advised (in German) that foreign recognition of someone as a president does not confer legitimacy. Legitimacy of a president requires that he has actual enforcing capabilities within the country. As long as that is not established a recognition must be seen as interference in the internal affairs of the foreign country. Such an interference, which the German and other governments committed, is inconsistent with international law.

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Alfred-Maurice de-Zayas, a professor for international law and a longtime senior lawyer at the United Nations, confirms that opinion. He writes:

Members of the United Nations are bound by the Charter, articles one and two of which affirm the right of all peoples to determine themselves, the sovereign equality of states, the prohibition of the use of force and of economic or political interference in the internal affairs of sovereign states. Yet these fundamental principles of international order are being grossly violated in the case of Venezuela.

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Ignoring the will of the people of Venezuela and the rule of law U.S. media continue to manufacture consent for regime change in Venezuela.

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#1. To: Ada (#0)

I find this next to impossible to believe. Either that, or the question was simply NOT understood to be a referendum on Maduro but rather simply a question of whether he won the last election.

Would Trump even score this high? He might not as many obviously stated outright he was NOT the legitimate president.

The Venezuelan economy is in shambles and its easy to believe millions have fled Venezuela as a result. I know some personally.

Regardless of whether or not people consider him "legitimate", his actions as president have been the source of substantial loss of life and a crime against humanity, and if ever there was time to forcibly throw off a government and replace it with one that is of, by and for the people, this is it.

Pinguinite  posted on  2019-02-13   10:31:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Well over 10,000,000 Vzlnos have fled.

I doubt they are Maduro-Chavistas.

"Define yourself as one beloved by God. This is the true self. Every other identity is illusion."—Brennan Manning

Rotara  posted on  2019-02-13   10:45:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Man o' the people and all that.

When star chef Nusret #SaltBae cooks for Venezuela's president Nicolas Marudo

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randge  posted on  2019-02-13   10:47:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Fake News by that sly dog Putin

sonny  posted on  2019-02-13   11:38:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

He won an election that was verified by international observers. 57% of the population think him legitimate even those who don't like him. The same voters that elected him also elected a majority opposition in the legislature.

Only a tiny few believe that Trump didn't win the election even though our election system is less honest than Venezuelas.

And the actions of Trump and his predecessors have been the source of substantial loss of life and crimes against humanity.

Guaido is so obviously a US puppet that imposing him on Venezuela would in no way be a government by a for the people. The millions that have fled are the ones with the money to do so, a common practice in South America and perhaps soon to be common here.

Ada  posted on  2019-02-13   12:15:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I doubt they are Maduro-Chavistas.

They remain and its they that are suffering, not the elite who support the US puppet. The elite that remain in Venezuela are not suffering--they have plenty of dollars to buy what they need.

Ada  posted on  2019-02-13   12:18:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

He won an election that was verified by international observers. 57% of the population think him legitimate even those who don't like him. The same voters that elected him also elected a majority opposition in the legislature.

There was a movement by the opposition to boycott the last general election due to allegations of fraud. Perhaps that was playing sour grapes, but that was in place.

Only a tiny few believe that Trump didn't win the election even though our election system is less honest than Venezuelas.

For Trump, they do believe he won the electoral vote, but because he did not win the popular vote, there were cries of it being unfair and "illegitimate").

And the actions of Trump and his predecessors have been the source of substantial loss of life and crimes against humanity.

I do agree with that. While he has, so far, done well with NK, he's been no different from Obama and Bush in the ME and with Russia.

Guaido is so obviously a US puppet that imposing him on Venezuela would in no way be a government by a for the people. The millions that have fled are the ones with the money to do so, a common practice in South America and perhaps soon to be common here.

On that second sentence, I assure you it's not true. Yes, people with money have fled, but a great number have done so simply because they can't eat. Some have taken bus trips several days long to get out of there, and have been extorted for money at border crossings. I have personally assisted one such family who was told the teenage daughters wouldn't be permitted to cross out of Venezuela without a "surcharge" even though their papers were, purportedly, in order. And it appears even street criminals can no longer get by and have fled for more lucrative opportunities in other countries. Rumor has it that jails have been opened up in Venezuela and inmates set free on the condition they leave the country, as continued incarceration costs money the V gov doesn't have.

Are you aware that a shipment of newly printed currency from Europe was not delivered to Venezuela because the gov didn't have the money to pay for it? It was at one time illegal to from lines outside of bakeries to prevent it from looking like there was a food shortage.

Hyper inflation is in place there: tradingeconomics.com/venezuela/inflation-cpi

Consumer prices in Venezuela jumped 1,700,000 percent year-on-year in December of 2018, up from a 1,300,000 climb in November, according to estimates from Venezuela's opposition-led congress. It is the highest inflation rate on record. Inflation Rate in Venezuela averaged 8913.74 percent from 1973 until 2018, reaching an all time high of 1698488 percent in December of 2018 and a record low of 3.22 percent in February of 1973.

Granted that's from the "opposition congress" but how much of an exaggeration would it need to be for Maduro's competence to NOT be called into question?

With all of these things, I see no way that Maduro would have won a fair election, and no way that he should continue as president in any event.

Pinguinite  posted on  2019-02-13   13:33:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

With all of these things, I see no way that Maduro would have won a fair election, and no way that he should continue as president in any event.

What was unfair about the election? International observers said it was honest. And there was an opposition candidate. Yes, the elite boycotted it. If they hadn't, the margin would have been smaller but most likely he still would have won.

While US sanctions imposed on Venezuela are a driving factor behind the country’s economic crisis, there is no question that Maduro and predecessors made many mistakes with the country's economy. Not only did they put all their petroleum eggs into one basket, they let the US do the refining. And if they had plowed back some of that money into developing agriculture, there would be no food problem.

One reason Venezuela cannot pay for that currency is that the Bank of England will not release Venezuelan gold.

Several presidents have won without winning the popular vote. That's why we have the Electoral College, i.e., to prevent a few districts in CA and NY from electing the president. Trump carried, I believe, 95% of the counties in the US.

US interference in Venezuela is about the petrodollar and nothing at all to do with humanitarian issues. If it were, the US would lift the sanctions that cause the people to suffer. Marco Rubio spelled it out when he told the Venezuelans that they could either oust Mauduro or starve.

Should they do just that, the Venezuelans should prepare themselves to become another drug-ridden Colombia ruled by the US.

Ada  posted on  2019-02-13   14:47:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

What was unfair about the election? International observers said it was honest. And there was an opposition candidate. Yes, the elite boycotted it. If they hadn't, the margin would have been smaller but most likely he still would have won.

There are always allegations of fraud in elections, even in the USA, as you know. Given the state of things there, if Maduro still would have won the election then it would pretty much prove elections are useless.

While US sanctions imposed on Venezuela are a driving factor behind the country’s economic crisis, there is no question that Maduro and predecessors made many mistakes with the country's economy. Not only did they put all their petroleum eggs into one basket, they let the US do the refining. And if they had plowed back some of that money into developing agriculture, there would be no food problem.

As long as Maduro imposes price controls, there will be food shortages, and I believe that was the case with wheat. Bakeries were, I understand, being told what they were allowed to make, not being permitted to make much of the higher priced items in greater demand. Many countries have had sanctions put on them but most don't go into hyper inflation as a result.

US interference in Venezuela is about the petrodollar and nothing at all to do with humanitarian issues. If it were, the US would lift the sanctions that cause the people to suffer. Marco Rubio spelled it out when he told the Venezuelans that they could either oust Mauduro or starve.

I do agree the US should not be interfering in Venezuela. But that doesn't mean the Venezuelans shouldn't throw off Maduro for, if not outright corruptuion, gross incompetence. By endorsing the opposition guy as president, it seems the US is trying to score points with him in expectation of rewards later. I don't like that either.

Should they do just that, the Venezuelans should prepare themselves to become another drug-ridden Colombia ruled by the US.

There is no path to utopia. It's a chance that should be taken, IMO, as maintaining the current situation is far worse.

Pinguinite  posted on  2019-02-13   15:31:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I hate the Empire. I would have hated the last Empire, too.

I believe the USConstitution and the Republic is dead. Very dead.

So, anymore, I just deal with the world on the 'retail level'.

I don't view any Fascist Government as legitimate.

The fact is that Communists alligned against Zionists is a loser all the way around.

So, no dog in this fight... just helping and loving whoever I can, regardless.

"Define yourself as one beloved by God. This is the true self. Every other identity is illusion."—Brennan Manning

Rotara  posted on  2019-02-13   16:08:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Remember when Reagan sent Ghadaffi a message after Lockerbie ?

Something along those lines might be in order.

For Colombia or Brazil to carry out.

But yes, Maduro has lost his little thiefdom. Just needs a little time.

"Define yourself as one beloved by God. This is the true self. Every other identity is illusion."—Brennan Manning

Rotara  posted on  2019-02-13   16:12:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

There was a lot more fraud in our elections than there was in Venezuela's. The people elected him; and if they want to do Yellow Jackets to force a resignation, that's well and good. Then the duly elected vice president will assume office but not another Hamid Karzai.

We've seen what happens when the US imposes a stooge. President Guaido neocon tool unlocking Venezuela vast resources

Ada  posted on  2019-02-13   17:13:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

But yes, Maduro has lost his little thiefdom. Just needs a little time.

Another six years that the people elected him for.

Ada  posted on  2019-02-13   17:15:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

In a more better world, total recall. Without Zionist involvement but good luck with that.

6 months or whenever Trump's Impeachment begins.

However, hez gone Full Zionist so maybe he gets another term !!

Venezuela is a broken State, regardless who did it and why.

It has spilled over and caused a mess down here.

"Define yourself as one beloved by God. This is the true self. Every other identity is illusion."—Brennan Manning

Rotara  posted on  2019-02-13   17:33:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Maduro played straight into the World Zionists' hand btw.

The Petro, the daily reporting of Izzy atrocities, hosting Russian nuke bombers, etc.

"Define yourself as one beloved by God. This is the true self. Every other identity is illusion."—Brennan Manning

Rotara  posted on  2019-02-13   17:35:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

There was a lot more fraud in our elections than there was in Venezuela's.

I'm not sure that can be said authoritatively. How can anyone know there was NOT fraud?

The people elected him; and if they want to do Yellow Jackets to force a resignation, that's well and good.

The pretty much have been for the past few years.

Then the duly elected vice president will assume office but not another Hamid Karzai.

When a people want to throw off the chains of one gov, there is no standard protocol for how the next should be formed. Though our own DoI affirmed the right of the people to cast out one gov, it made no mention of how its replacement should be decided.

I think the only reason our own revolution worked out relatively well is because we were throwing off a foreign monarchy, and it was done by a central Continental Congress which pretty much was recognized as the unified voice of the colonists. But it doesn't work so well when you want to throw off a domestic authority and there is no counterpart body that speaks for the people. Yes, it just becomes a mess as various voices clammor to be the new boss. Nevertheless, the sooner Maduro goes, the sooner that country can be put on the path to recovery.

Pinguinite  posted on  2019-02-13   18:35:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

It has spilled over and caused a mess down here.

Do you see it where you are?

Pinguinite  posted on  2019-02-13   18:35:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

In hindsight, maybe we should have paid the tax on tea and used more coffee.

“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken

Lod  posted on  2019-02-13   19:08:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I live far away from, well, everything; however, a visit to the Panama City side and itz everywhere.

In fact, itz been so bad down here that RoP has changed migration, visa and other laws SEVERAL TIMES since November of '16. ALL because of Venezolanos. The Colombia conduit was under control, but the flood of Vzlnos tipped it all out of whack.

Obviously, as my wife is as Colombian as you can be, we are plugged into the situation down there very well.

"Define yourself as one beloved by God. This is the true self. Every other identity is illusion."—Brennan Manning

Rotara  posted on  2019-02-13   19:32:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I'm not sure that can be said authoritatively. How can anyone know there was NOT fraud?

I think the only reason our own revolution worked out relatively well is because we were throwing off a foreign monarchy, and it was done by a central Continental Congress which pretty much was recognized as the unified voice of the colonists.

International observers say the election was honest.

The Supreme Tribunal of Justice, which is the separate supreme court branch of the Venezuelan government has certified Maduro’s reelection, as have independent international observers. Further, no appeal was filed by any of the boycotting parties, while all participating parties – including opposition ones – signed off on the validity of the election after the polls closed.

The opposition has boycotted the high court as well as the electoral process. They contest the legitimacy of the court because some members of the court were appointed by a lame duck National Assembly favorable to Maduro, after a new National Assembly with a majority in opposition had been elected in December 2015 but not yet seated.

Venezuela does have a constitution which provides for succession if the president is impeached, resigns, dies or whatever. In that case If it happens in the first 4 years of the president's term, the vice president takes over. Then the constitution decrees that a snap election for the presidency must be held within 30 days. This is what happened when President Hugo Chávez died while in office in 2013. Then Vice President Nicolás Maduro succeeded to the presidency, called for new elections, and was elected by the people of Venezuela.

Bottom lines is that any challenge to the validity of the election is dealt with court challenges and not by Donald Trump and not by anointing an individual from a party that could have run in the 2018 election but decided to boycott.

The American revolutionaries were hardly the unified voice of the colonists. They represented maybe 10%, the loyalists another 10%, and the rest did not take an active part.

Ada  posted on  2019-02-13   21:42:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

It sounds like you are privy to some information from someone living there. Still, I would point out all the things I already have related to the horrible state the country is in right now.

I'll also add that in Latin America, the legal culture is different. Banana Republic rules apply, such that supposed independent branches such as the one you referred to which certified Maduro's reelection, can not necessarily be trusted to be truly independent. It's staffed by people and all it takes is a bribe/threat or two under the table to ruin things. A similar arrangement in the USA can be much more trustworthy than one in Latin America, though I can't speak for Venezuela specifically. In the US, virtually all the corruption is concentrated at the highest ranks in Congress and such, but in Latin America, it's more diluted into all ranks of society (arguably being more fair as it makes corruption accessible to the common people).

Pinguinite  posted on  2019-02-13   22:13:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

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