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Title: Venezuela - 57% Say Maduro Is Their Legitimate President
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URL Source: https://www.lewrockwell.com/2019/02 ... is-their-legitimate-president/
Published: Feb 13, 2019
Author: Moon of Alabama
Post Date: 2019-02-13 10:09:06 by Ada
Keywords: None
Views: 130
Comments: 21

The legitimacy of a ruler can best be determined by asking the ruled people.

The independent Venezuelan polling firm Hinterlaces asked (in Spanish) 1,580 Venezuelans in direct interviews who they consider to be the legitimate president of Venezuela.

57% said that the Nicolás Maduro is the legitimated president. 32% said Juan Guaidó. 11% did not know or did not respond.

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The well-respected scientific research service of the German Bundestag advised (in German) that foreign recognition of someone as a president does not confer legitimacy. Legitimacy of a president requires that he has actual enforcing capabilities within the country. As long as that is not established a recognition must be seen as interference in the internal affairs of the foreign country. Such an interference, which the German and other governments committed, is inconsistent with international law.

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Alfred-Maurice de-Zayas, a professor for international law and a longtime senior lawyer at the United Nations, confirms that opinion. He writes:

Members of the United Nations are bound by the Charter, articles one and two of which affirm the right of all peoples to determine themselves, the sovereign equality of states, the prohibition of the use of force and of economic or political interference in the internal affairs of sovereign states. Yet these fundamental principles of international order are being grossly violated in the case of Venezuela.

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Ignoring the will of the people of Venezuela and the rule of law U.S. media continue to manufacture consent for regime change in Venezuela.

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#1. To: Ada (#0)

I find this next to impossible to believe. Either that, or the question was simply NOT understood to be a referendum on Maduro but rather simply a question of whether he won the last election.

Would Trump even score this high? He might not as many obviously stated outright he was NOT the legitimate president.

The Venezuelan economy is in shambles and its easy to believe millions have fled Venezuela as a result. I know some personally.

Regardless of whether or not people consider him "legitimate", his actions as president have been the source of substantial loss of life and a crime against humanity, and if ever there was time to forcibly throw off a government and replace it with one that is of, by and for the people, this is it.

Pinguinite  posted on  2019-02-13   10:31:55 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

He won an election that was verified by international observers. 57% of the population think him legitimate even those who don't like him. The same voters that elected him also elected a majority opposition in the legislature.

Only a tiny few believe that Trump didn't win the election even though our election system is less honest than Venezuelas.

And the actions of Trump and his predecessors have been the source of substantial loss of life and crimes against humanity.

Guaido is so obviously a US puppet that imposing him on Venezuela would in no way be a government by a for the people. The millions that have fled are the ones with the money to do so, a common practice in South America and perhaps soon to be common here.

Ada  posted on  2019-02-13   12:15:53 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

#7. To: Ada (#5)

He won an election that was verified by international observers. 57% of the population think him legitimate even those who don't like him. The same voters that elected him also elected a majority opposition in the legislature.

There was a movement by the opposition to boycott the last general election due to allegations of fraud. Perhaps that was playing sour grapes, but that was in place.

Only a tiny few believe that Trump didn't win the election even though our election system is less honest than Venezuelas.

For Trump, they do believe he won the electoral vote, but because he did not win the popular vote, there were cries of it being unfair and "illegitimate").

And the actions of Trump and his predecessors have been the source of substantial loss of life and crimes against humanity.

I do agree with that. While he has, so far, done well with NK, he's been no different from Obama and Bush in the ME and with Russia.

Guaido is so obviously a US puppet that imposing him on Venezuela would in no way be a government by a for the people. The millions that have fled are the ones with the money to do so, a common practice in South America and perhaps soon to be common here.

On that second sentence, I assure you it's not true. Yes, people with money have fled, but a great number have done so simply because they can't eat. Some have taken bus trips several days long to get out of there, and have been extorted for money at border crossings. I have personally assisted one such family who was told the teenage daughters wouldn't be permitted to cross out of Venezuela without a "surcharge" even though their papers were, purportedly, in order. And it appears even street criminals can no longer get by and have fled for more lucrative opportunities in other countries. Rumor has it that jails have been opened up in Venezuela and inmates set free on the condition they leave the country, as continued incarceration costs money the V gov doesn't have.

Are you aware that a shipment of newly printed currency from Europe was not delivered to Venezuela because the gov didn't have the money to pay for it? It was at one time illegal to from lines outside of bakeries to prevent it from looking like there was a food shortage.

Hyper inflation is in place there: tradingeconomics.com/venezuela/inflation-cpi

Consumer prices in Venezuela jumped 1,700,000 percent year-on-year in December of 2018, up from a 1,300,000 climb in November, according to estimates from Venezuela's opposition-led congress. It is the highest inflation rate on record. Inflation Rate in Venezuela averaged 8913.74 percent from 1973 until 2018, reaching an all time high of 1698488 percent in December of 2018 and a record low of 3.22 percent in February of 1973.

Granted that's from the "opposition congress" but how much of an exaggeration would it need to be for Maduro's competence to NOT be called into question?

With all of these things, I see no way that Maduro would have won a fair election, and no way that he should continue as president in any event.

Pinguinite  posted on  2019-02-13 13:33:23 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

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