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Title: Why the S-400 Is a More Formidable Threat to US Arms Industry Than You Think
Source: The Strategic Culture Foundation
URL Source: https://theduran.com/why-the-s-400- ... -arms-industry-than-you-think/
Published: Jun 16, 2019
Author: Federico Pieraccini
Post Date: 2019-06-16 07:56:57 by Ada
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Views: 130
Comments: 8

Generally, when discussing air-defense systems here, we are referring to Russian devices that have become famous in recent years, in particular the S-300 (and its variants) and the S-400. Their deployment in Syria has slowed down the ability of such advanced air forces as those of the United States and Israel to target the country, increasing as it does the embarrassing possibility of having their fourth- or fifth-generation fighters shot down.

Air-defense systems capable of bringing down fifth-generation aircraft would have a devastating effect on the marketability and sales of US military hardware, while simultaneously boosting the desirability and sales of Russian military hardware. As I have often pointed out in other analyses, Hollywood’s role in marketing to enemies and allies alike the belief that US military hardware is unbeatable (with allies being obliged to buy said hardware) is central to Washington’s strategies for war and power projection.

As clashes between countries in such global hot spots as the Middle East increase and intensify, Hollywood’s propaganda will increasingly struggle to convince the rest of the world of the continued efficacy and superiority of US weapons systems in the face of their unfolding shortcomings.

The US finds itself faced with a situation it has not found itself in over the last 50 years, namely, an environment where it does not expect to automatically enjoy air superiority. Whatever semblance of an air defense that may have hitherto been able to pose any conceivable threat to Uncle Sam’s war machine was rudely dismissed by a wave of cruise missiles. To give two prime examples that occurred in Syria in 2018, latest-generationmissiles were intercepted and shot down by decades-old Russian and Syrian systems. While the S-400 system has never been employed in Syria, it is noteworthy that the Serbian S-125 systems succeeded in identifying and shooting down an American F-117 stealth aircraft during the war in the Balkans.

There is a more secret aspect of the S-400 that is little disclosed, either within Russia itself or without. It concerns the S-400’s ability to collect data through its radar systems. It is worth noting Department of Defense spokesman Eric Pahon’s alarm over Turkey’s planned purchase of the S-400:

“We have been clear that purchasing the S-400 would create an unacceptable risk because its radar system could provide the Russian military sensitive information on the F-35. Those concerns cannot be mitigated. The S-400 is a system built in Russia to try to shoot down aircraft like the F-35, and it is inconceivable to imagine.

Certainly, in the event of an armed conflict, the S-400’s ability to shoot down fifth-generation aircraft is a huge concern for the United States and her allies who have invested so heavily in such aircraft. Similarly, a NATO country preferring Russian to American systems is cause for alarm. This is leaving aside the fact that the S-400 is spreading around the world, from China to Belarus, with dozens of countries waiting in line for the ability to seal their skies from the benevolent bombs of freedom. It is an excellent stick with which to keep a prowling Washington at bay.

But these concerns are nothing when compared to the most serious threat that the S-400 poses to the US arms industry, namely, their ability to collect data on US stealth systems.

Theoretically, the last advantage that the US maintains over her opponents is in stealth technology. The effectiveness of stealth has been debated for a long time, given that their costs may actually outweigh their purported benefits. But, reading between the lines, what emerges from US concerns over the S-400 suggests that Moscow is already capable of detecting US stealth systems by combining the radars of the S-400 with those of air-based assets, as has been the case in Syria (despite Washington’s denials).

The ability of the S-400 to collect data on both the F-35 and F-22 – the crown jewels of the US military-industrial complex – is a cause for sleepless nights for US military planners. What in particular causes them nightmares is that, for the S-400 to function in Turkey, it will have to be integrated into Turkey’s current “identification friend or foe” (IFF) systems, which in turn are part of NATO’s military tactical data-link network, known as Link 16.

This system will need to be installed on the S-400 in order to integrate it into Turkey’s defensive network, which could potentially pass information strictly reserved for the Russians that would increase the S-400’s ability to function properly in a system not designed to host such a weapon system. See Also Latest, Video Erdogan’s energy ambitions target Cyprus natural gas reserves (Video)

The final risk is that if Turkey were to fly its F-35s near the S-400, the Link 16 system would reveal a lot of real-time information about the US stealth system. Over time, Moscow would be able to recreate the stealth profile of the F-35 and F-22, thereby making pointless Washington’s plans to spend 1.16 trillion dollars to produce 3,000 F-35s.

What must be remembered in our technological age is that once the F-35’s radar waveform has been identified, it will be possible to practice the military deception of recreating fictitious signals of the F-35 so as to mask one’s own aircraft with this shape and prevent the enemy’s IFF systems from being able to distinguish between friend or foe.

Of particular note is the active cooperation between China and Russia in air-defense systems. The S-400 in particular has already been operational in China for several years now, and it should be assumed that there would be active information sharing going on between Moscow and Beijing regarding stealth technology.

It turns out that the S-400 is a weapon system with multiple purposes that is even more lethal than previously imagined. It would therefore not be surprising that, were S-400s to be found in Cuba and Venezuela, Washington’s bellicose rhetoric against these two countries would come to an abrupt halt.

But what US military planners fear more than the S-400 embarrassing their much-vaunted F35 and F22 is the doubts they could raise about the efficacy of these stealth aircraft in the minds of allies and potential buyers. This lack of confidence would deal a mortal blow to the US arms industry, a threat far more real and devastating for them than a risk of conflict with Moscow or Beijing.

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#1. To: Ada (#0)

I see this as a very, very good thing for the world.

“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken

Lod  posted on  2019-06-16   10:31:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Ada (#0)

So the fear is that the value and advantage of the most expensive weapon system in the world in the F-35 will be made obsolete if it ever flies too close to an S-400. Is that about right?

Is the F-35 only good for the next significant conflict and nothing more? Which could be a conflict that a customer engages in and not the USA?

Maybe the solution is not to sell it to anyone. Of course that would make it an even bigger $ boondoggle.

Of course the thing is already so damned expensive they're afraid to fly it in combat.

Pinguinite  posted on  2019-06-16   11:56:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Pinguinite (#2)

Headlining Whatreallyhappened.com at this moment:

"‘Treason!’ Trump slams NYT claim of US cyberattacks on Russia’s power grid as harmful fake news Tags: COVER-UP/DECEPTIONS/PROPAGANDA CURRENT EVENTS DICTATORSHIP RUSSIA/UKRAINE WAR/DRAFT/VETERAN AFFAIRS Following a bombastic report that US government hackers are targeting Russia’s power grid, President Donald Trump took to Twitter to accuse the NY Times of spreading fake news detrimental to US credibility and national security. “This is a virtual act of Treason by a once great paper so desperate for a story, any story, even if bad for our Country…” Trump tweeted on Saturday evening, before realizing that he forgot to actually dismiss the report of Washington increasingly targeting Moscow in a cyber-warfare campaign as “fake news.”

“.....ALSO, NOT TRUE!” he added in a follow-up tweet, without specifying whether the report was untrue in its entirety – or just the specifics like the targets of US cyber-offenses or their gravity.

Well, here is the article in question:

US Escalates attacks on Russia's Power Grid<

David E. Sanger and Nicole Perlroth/a>

the article goes on to state: "In interviews over the past three months, the officials described the previously unreported deployment of American computer code inside Russia’s grid and other targets as a classified companion to more publicly discussed action directed at Moscow’s disinformation and hacking units around the 2018 midterm elections."

Hey, Dave and Nicky, a word, please: the "loosely-goosey", non-validated, unattributed statements in your article, tell the public absolutely nothing about this situation; it is all inference, and totally unsubstantiated, which of course, your bosses at NYT, are encouraging you to continue slinging, like some non- descript, day's old hash, at your readers.

The attempted character assassinations by NYT against Trump, never end:

Why Trump Reigns as King Cyrus

A Drama of Trump’s Own Making Ends With a Familiar Hero

How to Defeat Trump in 2020

Excerpts From Trump’s Interview With The New York Times

5 Key Takeaways From Donald Trump's New York Times Interview

Guys, let me give it to you straight: I am utterly no "Trumpophile", and if you had actually bothered to read any legitimate independent news resources, you would understand my concerns.

The US is now at the keening edge of engaging in potential military misadventures against Russia; China; and Iran.

Having been "acquired" by Sheldon Adelson, through his massive campaign contributions to Trump's elections Trump has now outsourced US foreign policy in the Middle East to its former Premier, Benyamin Netanyahu Adelson, Who Donated Over $100 Million to the GOP, 'Watching' Results With Trump.In September, the Jewish billionaire Adelson couple pumped $32 million into the GOP

How this has translated into hard US foreign policy in the Middle East, is as follows:

US stops all aid to Palestinians in West Bank and Gaza

Trump Administration about to give Israel $3.8 billion dollars

US Withdraws from the joint comprehensive Plan of Action with Iran

President Trump will keep 400 troops in Syria

And now, fast-forwarding to current events:

President Trump blames Iran for current acts of terrorism in the Gulf of Oman

Iran slams US, calls claim of tanker attack "economic terrorism"

I don't know about you two, but what I am seeing, and President Trump is merely a figurehead in this process, are all the symptoms of the American empire in decline, which can conjure no other way to resolve its geopolitical differences, other than through wars.

The pattern is very simple here; find a country with resources, which allows for those resources to be paid for other than US dollars; destabilize that country; regime-change, to make sure that the leadership remains US-centric; expropriate those resources to which the US has utterly no moral right, and insist on that country's only selling those resources... in US dollars.

Wash... rinse.... repeat.

Here are some interesting numbers about Us military deployment:

2-2019: US military deployments

And even if these military deployments have been an epic fail, in terms of their stated objectives, and what has actually happened in these countries, the US is most likely, never leaving, as leaving, from the perspective of our military leadership, would suggest that the mission had been a "failure".

This... is why the US government's military is still in Afghanistan; Iraq; Syria; Libya; the Congo; and Somalia

US military deployments internationally: 200,000 troops in 177 countries

So in summation, gentlemen; President Trump can be defeated in 2020; so can let us stick to the facts in doing so, shall we?!?

Because there are plenty enough facts to condemn what he has done, both nationally, and internationally, in what I call "the real world". <-- M. Rivero

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Rotara  posted on  2019-06-16   12:01:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: All (#3)

So, now the mantra from Mr. Whyvoteatall? will be we need to replace Trump (presumably with a DemocRAT Zionist like Biden, Warren or Sanders) ??!

Dear Lord.... the ZoG will never be overthrown at a ballot box.


"Define yourself as one beloved by God. This is the true self. Every other identity is illusion."—Brennan Manning

Rotara  posted on  2019-06-16   12:03:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Pinguinite (#2)

Of course the thing is already so damned expensive they're afraid to fly it in combat.

Britain bought 4 F-35s. The first day they had them, 3 of the 4 failed to start.

Then the Israelis got hold of them. Not sure what happened there. But the following video is from 2016. ;)

"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke

BTP Holdings  posted on  2019-06-16   12:10:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: All (#3)

Updated/edited by Rivero to include Tulsi Gabbard (whom last I checked was anti-RKBA)

‘Treason!’ Trump slams NYT claim of US cyberattacks on Russia’s power grid as harmful fake news Tags: COVER-UP/DECEPTIONS/PROPAGANDA CURRENT EVENTS DICTATORSHIP RUSSIA/UKRAINE WAR/DRAFT/VETERAN AFFAIRS Following a bombastic report that US government hackers are targeting Russia’s power grid, President Donald Trump took to Twitter to accuse the NY Times of spreading fake news detrimental to US credibility and national security. “This is a virtual act of Treason by a once great paper so desperate for a story, any story, even if bad for our Country…” Trump tweeted on Saturday evening, before realizing that he forgot to actually dismiss the report of Washington increasingly targeting Moscow in a cyber-warfare campaign as “fake news.”

“.....ALSO, NOT TRUE!” he added in a follow-up tweet, without specifying whether the report was untrue in its entirety – or just the specifics like the targets of US cyber-offenses or their gravity.

Well, here is the article in question:

US Escalates attacks on Russia's Power Grid<

David E. Sanger and Nicole Perlroth

the article goes on to state: "In interviews over the past three months, the officials described the previously unreported deployment of American computer code inside Russia’s grid and other targets as a classified companion to more publicly discussed action directed at Moscow’s disinformation and hacking units around the 2018 midterm elections."

Hey, Dave and Nicky, a word, please: the "loosey-goosey", non-validated, unattributed statements in your article, tell the public absolutely nothing about this situation; it is all inference, and totally unsubstantiated, which of course, your bosses at NYT, are encouraging you to continue slinging, like some non-descript, day's old hash, at your readers.

The attempted character assassinations by NYT against Trump, never end:

Why Trump Reigns as King Cyrus

A Drama of Trump’s Own Making Ends With a Familiar Hero

How to Defeat Trump in 2020

Excerpts From Trump’s Interview With The New York Times

5 Key Takeaways From Donald Trump's New York Times Interview

So let me give it to you straight: I am utterly no "Trumpophile", and if you had actually bothered to read any legitimate independent news resources, you would understand my concerns.

The US Military is now at the keening edge of engaging in potential military misadventures against Russia; China; and Iran.

I don't know about you two, but what I am seeing, and President Trump is merely a figurehead in this process, are all the symptoms of the American empire in decline, which can conjure no other way to resolve its geopolitical differences, other than through wars.

Having been "acquired" by Sheldon Adelson, through his massive campaign contributions to Trump's elections Trump has now outsourced US foreign policy in the Middle East to its former Prime Minister, Benyamin Netanyahu Adelson, Who Donated Over $100 Million to the GOP, 'Watching' Results With Trump.In September, the Jewish billionaire Adelson couple pumped $32 million into the GOP

How this has translated into hard US foreign policy in the Middle East, is as follows:

US stops all aid to Palestinians in West Bank and Gaza

Trump Administration about to give Israel $3.8 billion dollars

US Withdraws from the joint comprehensive Plan of Action with Iran

President Trump will keep 400 troops in Syria

And now, fast-forwarding to current events:

President Trump blames Iran for current acts of terrorism in the Gulf of Oman

Iran slams US, calls claim of tanker attack "economic terrorism"

The pattern is very simple here; find a country with resources, which allows for those resources to be paid for other than US dollars; destabilize that country; regime-change, to make sure that the leadership remains US-centric; expropriate those resources to which the US has utterly no moral right; and insist on that country's only selling those resources... in US dollars.

Wash... rinse.... repeat.

I don't know what the Vegas odds are, concerning the resurrection of the draft in this country, but right now, I wouldn't bet against it.

Here are some interesting numbers about US military deployment:

2-2019: US military deployments

And even if these military deployments have been an epic fail, in terms of their stated objectives, and what has actually happened in these countries, the US is most likely, never leaving, as leaving, from the perspective of our military leadership, would suggest that the mission had been a "failure".

This... is why the US government's military is still in Afghanistan; Iraq; Yemen; Syria; Libya; the Congo; and Somalia.

And just to make sure you do both do not have a raging episode of "selective memory disorder" on this issue (SMD), let me gently remind you, that the President who got American troops enmeshed in Yemen, where they are continuing to aid and abet Saudi forces in their war crimes: Yes, Mr. Cool President Himself, Barak Hussein Obama!

As War on Yemen Hits the 4-Year Mark. Here’s a Brief History of U.S. Involvement (As the political tide in the United States finally turns against the war, we must not let its U.S. proponents whitewash their wrongdoing).

The image above the article is captioned: President Barack Obama speaks as King Salman bin Abd alAziz of Saudi Arabia looks on during a bilateral meeting in the Oval Office of the White House September 4, 2015 in Washington, DC. (Photo by Olivier Douliery-Pool/Getty Images) Notice how studiously each is avoiding looking at the other.

So in summation, gentlemen; President Trump can be defeated in 2020; so can we please, possibly let us stick to the facts in doing so, shall we?!?

Because there are plenty enough facts to condemn what he has done, both nationally, and internationally, in what I call "the real world".

And as to The Democrat's "Great Hope" in 2020?!?

Would one - or both of you - please think about doing an article on our Hawaiian Representative, now Presidential Candidate, Tulsi Gabbard, that isn't a "hit piece", because the US's military/industrial complex isn't going to like this woman one bit.

She's a Samoan- American Vet, who has seen combat, in Iraq; she's a very articulate, and level- headed woman, and will be infinitely less careless about throwing "US troops at geopolitical problems on the ground" than have been the previous two administrations.

You're welcome.

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Rotara  posted on  2019-06-16   12:34:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Ada (#0)

Defense is always moral – may all the world have the S-400.

In our world today, the US security military industrial complex is the aggressive destabilizer of humanity.

johnj  posted on  2019-06-16   14:35:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Rotara (#6)

She's a Samoan- American Vet, who has seen combat, in Iraq; she's a very articulate, and level- headed woman, and will be infinitely less careless about throwing "US troops at geopolitical problems on the ground" than have been the previous two administrations.

And Trump is ending America's longest war in Afghanistan.

Bring the troops home.

I was riding the state transport to and from my doctor appointments. One time this transport driver told me he was sitting in Porta John at a hot air balloon festival. They were giving helicopter rides for $50. A helicopter flew over and he said for a minute he thought he was back in Afghanistan.

Can you say "flashback"? :-o

"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke

BTP Holdings  posted on  2019-06-16   14:50:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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