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Title: White House Endorses Seizing Citizens’ Guns
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URL Source: https://www.gunpowdermagazine.com/b ... _l=MCXuG&awt_m=hlP1Erm__ntbXZc
Published: Dec 20, 2018
Author: Teresa Mull
Post Date: 2019-08-04 08:29:59 by BTP Holdings
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Views: 269
Comments: 9

White House Endorses Seizing Citizens’ Guns

Dec 20, 2018

By: Teresa Mull

President Trump’s Commission on School Safety just released a report with recommendations for “how to address school safety and violence.” Seizing guns is among the commission’s suggestions.

The report says:

The Commission endorses Extreme Risk Protection Order laws, which give authorities a temporary way to keep those who threaten society from possessing or purchasing firearms.

Extreme Risk Protection Orders (ERPOs), also known as “Red Flag Gun Confiscation” laws, have taken effect in some states already. Gun owners across the country are having their guns seized by law enforcement, as Dudley Brown, president of the National Association for Gun Rights put it, “simply on the pretense of a ‘tip’ from someone you may not even know.”

Fox News reported in July more than 450 Florida residents had been ordered to give up their guns under the new law. In Jacksonville, one gun owner has already had 23 guns seized, and ten ERPO cases are pending. In New Jersey earlier this year, “police invaded a veteran’s home on the basis of something a child overheard at school and attempted to confiscate his guns without a warrant. One county in Washington State just announced officers seized 466 guns in 2018 alone.

Breitbart.com reports:

The White House School Safety Commission’s report will be released this week, and it will include calls for such confiscatory laws. On December 18, 2018, Breitbart News quoted Education Secretary Betsy DeVos’s preview of the report, saying, “Our report endorses states adoption of extreme risk protection orders, which temporarily restrict access to firearms to individuals found to be a danger to themselves or others.”

DeVos stressed that the White House wants the confiscatory orders structured in a way that is “cognizant of due process protections and respectful of Second Amendment liberties.”

Four Scary Facts

Gunpowder Magazine has repeatedly sounded the alarm on red flag laws, and reminds its readers of these four scary facts regarding ERPOs:

Law-abiding gun owners are guilty until proven innocent under ERPOs.

These bills open the floodgates for vindictive family members, friends, or John Q. Public to accuse you of almost anything as justification to take your firearms. They can take these accusations to court, even though you’ve never been charged with or convicted of a crime. At that point, you are on defense to try to convince the judge why you should be able to keep your guns and your Second Amendment rights

ERPOs open up a Pandora’s Box of ways for cunning lawyers and conniving family members to exploit gun owners.

Red flag ERPO bills have been written so broadly on two fronts that in some instances, people are given near-endless possibilities by which to use the legal system to persecute gun owners. The list of what violations you can be reported for is all over the place. If you made a comment to someone or seemed depressed, virtually raising any type of “mental health” red flag could end with you battling for your Second Amendment rights in court.

The timeframe for confiscation can go on for months.

ERPOs can last for weeks, months, or up to a year in cases where a gun owner would have to appear for repeated court hearings to try to win back his or her Constitutional rights. In some instances, the government would hold onto your guns for you; other bills have a neutral third party holding onto your guns.

Both political parties are supporting ERPOs.

Many would have you believe that Democrats are leading the charge for gun control in the wake of the horrific schools shootings of 2018. But nothing could be further from the truth. Republicans are leading efforts as well.

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#1. To: BTP Holdings (#0)

Red flag laws are in many states, and sitting on many places to be passed. PLUS the US congress is looking at one. these latest shootings will be the start and be a major issue in the 2020 election.

Darkwing  posted on  2019-08-04   14:53:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Darkwing (#1)

I live in SW Missouri. One time about 5 years ago, some woman from HHS came to my place. My boss was here as a witness.

She starts asking about guns. I tell her, "There are no guns here. I don't own any guns. Why are you coming HERE asking about guns?"

She said, "That shooting happened out near Denver."

I said, "Denver is a long way from here and why are you coming HERE asking about guns?"

I wonder who dropped a dime on me?

"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke

BTP Holdings  posted on  2019-08-04   15:45:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: BTP Holdings (#0)

Those idiots best arm-up the school personnel and quit jerking around with the 2nd Amendment.

“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken

Lod  posted on  2019-08-04   16:34:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: All (#3)

comment from fr in response to Irish Bob's blarney - spot on -

And the insane are the first to shuffle off the edge of civil society, and lash out senselessly at anyone. So now we have leftist political; fodder to politicize who take advantage of mass murder,making another liberal fascist talking point to go against the 2nd amendment? Let them try.

The fact is clear. The authorities cannot keep anyone “safe” against insanity, whether it comes from a lefty shooter firing onto a baseball diamond full of Congressmen in Washington, or a nut case firing on defenseless civilians in a Walmart shopping mall in Texas.

Citizens have to be able to effectively defend themselves against the insane, who historically were released onto the public streets, thanks to democrat policies, closing mental health facilities across the USA.Many live on the streets as home-less people. Many of these crazy shooters over the last few years clearly should have been institutionalized, instead of freely roaming the streets of America, manifesting as demons.As long as that is allowed, we will have mass shootings, and so now American citizens must face the fact that they must encourage private citizens to arm themselves and carry personal defense firearms.

Being armed is the only remedy available, as long as we continue to treat mental illness as lightly as we do according to lefty policies. Why should a whole society live in fear because a population of crazy people are allowed to roam our streets?

The 2nd amendment is not going away anywhere and people will rely on it as they must. America will not give up its freedom at the hands of a puling crowd of leftists like Beto , who would turn Americans into a large herd of passive sheep, entirely dependent on politicians like Beto or worse.

“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken

Lod  posted on  2019-08-04   16:42:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: BTP Holdings (#0)

Red flag laws have killed a number of innocent people. They are coming for our guns inch by inch but they legitimately coming for our gun and killing people that don't worship at the alter of the blue line and dare to say NO... well some say no... some don't get a chance to speak before they are sumarrally executed because the they might maybe could be possibly armed but why take that Chance?

Kill first and cover it up later. Just ask the tuttles of Houston.

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Suspect all media / resist bad propaganda/Learn NLP everyday everyway ;) If you don't control your mind someone else will.

titorite  posted on  2019-08-04   16:43:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: titorite, all (#5)

Just ask the tuttles of Houston.

"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke

BTP Holdings  posted on  2019-08-04   16:57:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Lod (#4)

Chicago 35 shot, 9 dead, tyical weekend. Take the guns from those people FIRST.

Cynicom  posted on  2019-08-04   17:19:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: BTP Holdings, titorite, 4 (#0)

Extreme Risk Protection Orders (ERPOs), also known as “Red Flag Gun Confiscation” laws ... Law-abiding gun owners are guilty until proven innocent under ERPOs. ... Both political parties are supporting ERPOs.

titorite @ #5: Red flag laws have killed a number of innocent people.


Deprivation Of Rights Under Color Of Law - The United States Department of Justice

DEPRIVATION OF RIGHTS UNDER COLOR OF LAW

SUMMARY:

Section 242 of Title 18 makes it a crime for a person acting under color of any law to willfully deprive a person of a right or privilege protected by the Constitution or laws of the United States. For the purpose of Section 242, acts under "color of law" include acts not only done by federal, state, or local officials within the their lawful authority, but also acts done beyond the bounds of that official's lawful authority, if the acts are done while the official is purporting to or pretending to act in the performance of his/her official duties. Persons acting under color of law within the meaning of this statute include police officers, prisons guards and other law enforcement officials, as well as judges, care providers in public health facilities, and others who are acting as public officials. It is not necessary that the crime be motivated by animus toward the race, color, religion, sex, handicap, familial status or national origin of the victim.

The offense is punishable by a range of imprisonment up to a life term, or the death penalty, depending upon the circumstances of the crime, and the resulting injury, if any.


TITLE 18, U.S.C., SECTION 242

Whoever, under color of any law, statute, ordinance, regulation, or custom, willfully subjects any person in any State, Territory, Commonwealth, Possession, or District to the deprivation of any rights, privileges, or immunities secured or protected by the Constitution or laws of the United States, ... shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than one year, or both; and if bodily injury results from the acts committed in violation of this section or if such acts include the use, attempted use, or threatened use of a dangerous weapon, explosives, or fire, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both; and if death results from the acts committed in violation of this section or if such acts include kidnaping or an attempt to kidnap, aggravated sexual abuse, or an attempt to commit aggravated sexual abuse, or an attempt to kill, shall be fined under this title, or imprisoned for any term of years or for life, or both, or may be sentenced to death.

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GreyLmist  posted on  2019-08-05   19:55:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: GreyLmist (#8)

DEPRIVATION OF RIGHTS UNDER COLOR OF LAW

I hear you about this Color of Law stuff.

The whole trouble is the cops do whatever they want, until the Courts tell them they cannot do it.

Now I was riding in the local city taxi the other day and I stop to pick up a donut at gas station 2 blocks from my destination. On the way back to taxi I picked 2 plastic bottles from the trash.

The taxi driver was complaining and said she would tell them at the office. I told her if she did that and there were any kind of repercussions, it would open a whole can of worms they could not consume and the ACLU would back me on it.

Under the Americas With Disabilities Act they cannot bar me from riding. There was also some recycling in the back of the taxi which I was taking into the workshop. ;)

"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke

BTP Holdings  posted on  2019-08-05   21:15:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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