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Title: FROM EL PASO TO SARAJEVO How White Nationalists Have Been Inspired by the Genocide of Muslims in Bosnia
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URL Source: https://theintercept.com/2019/09/01/bosnian-genocide-mass-shootings/
Published: Sep 3, 2019
Author: HUSSAIN
Post Date: 2019-09-03 01:12:54 by NeoconsNailed
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In a spring day in 2017, a monument was raised in the Bosnian town of Višegrad, in memory of a terrible mass murder that had occurred there two decades earlier. In a somber ceremony attended by local dignitaries, a 5.5-meter reflective steel monument was raised on top of a grassy hill overlooking the town. Višegrad was the site of some of the worst atrocities that took place during the ugly wars following the collapse of Yugoslavia. Over the course of one summer in 1992, as many as 3,000 Muslims were shot, raped, and drowned in this historic town along the banks of the Drina River. A resort hotel, the Vilina Vlas, was transformed into a concentration camp for the rape of young women. On at least two occasions, dozens of elderly people, women, and children were herded into homes by jeering Serb gunmen and burned alive. Those atrocities are exactly what made the new memorial so jarring. The shining cross was not erected in memory of the Muslim victims of the genocide. It was put up to honor the perpetrators and their allies: Serbian paramilitaries and the Russian volunteers who helped them ethnically cleanse the town. Nearly two decades after the war ended, Bosnia is still struggling to emerge from the vortex of hatred that destroyed the country during the 1990s. Yet what may be even more alarming is that outside of Bosnia, the memory of the genocide committed against its Muslims has become a source of inspiration for the global far right. The shooter who killed 51 people at two mosques in New Zealand this March wrote the names of Serbian nationalist leaders on the rifle he used to carry out the massacres. During his livestream of the attacks, he played a jaunty song performed by Bosnian Serb soldiers during the war, nicknamed “Remove Kebab,” that has become popular among the online “alt-right.” The Norwegian extremist Anders Breivik, who murdered 77 people during a 2011 shooting rampage, reportedly also showed a “strange obsession” with the genocide in Bosnia, heaping praise on wartime Serb leaders in a manifesto he wrote before his attacks. A domestic terrorist in Pennsylvania who killed a state trooper in 2014 was similarly infatuated with the wartime Bosnian Serb military, posing images of himself on social media in a uniform from the notorious Drina Wolves unit. On websites like 4chan that are helping to breed a new culture of racial hatred and glorification of violence, it’s not hard to find the Bosnian genocide favorably discussed. These new online connections are also helping to foster real-world links between the Western far right and its Balkan counterparts...... Poster Comment: What side(s), if any, would you all say was in the right in the Bosnian (etc.) war? The Intercept has gone wacko peecee on 'diversity issues' but I'm not sure what to make of this piece, not having bothered to follow those post-communist conflicts in Europe as they happened. I knew without asking that DC's involvement was evil. ameriKa made Milosevic a Hitler of the Year, he was clearly suicided, and he sounds like a great man via wikid. in spite of itself.
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The Albanians were on the offensive. But the Serbians were also slaughtering Croatians.
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Thanks for this 1st fast response! I really want it to be Christians against Muslims and humans against Albanians, but can't quite make it work yet.
_____________________________________________________________ USA! USA! USA! Bringing you democracy, or else! there were strains of VD that were incurable, and they were first found in the Philippines and then transmitted to the Korean working girls via US military. The 'incurables' we were told were first taken back to a military hospital in the Philippines to quietly die. – 4um
Sumbodie PLEASE splain to ignert me HOW a religious war STARTED BY ISLAM became a racial conflict? Would it possibly be the left spreading their agenda? BTW,unless things change,I see more incidents like that happening within the next two decades as more Muslim move to the west and start to take over. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.
I worked with this Serbian guy back in the 90s. One day he said to me, "We are looking for people to go and fight in Bosnia." I told him, "Keep looking." LOL "When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke
The Serbs are Eastern Orthodox Christians. There is no love lost with the Croatians who are Roman Catholic. The Bosnians and Albanians are both Islamic. So you see there is quite a mix going on over there in the former Yugoslavia. ;) "When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke
In WWI, Serbs were allied with Tsarist Russia; which was also our ally until the Communist Bolsheviks overthrew the government of Russia, then assassinated the Tsar and his family. This is a 2011 comment from Brother Nathanael's site: The Serbian king Alexander appealed for help to the Russian Tsar, who issued ultimative warning to the president of France and the British king George V, that the Russia would withdraw from the war unless the Serbian army was saved and transported to Corfu. Many soldiers died at Corfu and were buried at sea. When the Ottoman empire invaded and ruled those regions of Europe (that were later called Yugoslavia, etc.), many people in the Albania area converted to Islam. Religious differences between Christian Orthodox Serbs, Christian Catholic Croats, Muslim Bosniaks and Muslim Albanians contributed to the collapse of Yugoslavia in 1991. The Battle of Kosovo of 1389 is considered to be one of the defining moments in Serbian medieval history. The region was the core of the Serbian medieval state, which has also been the seat of the Serbian Orthodox Church from the 14th century, when its status was upgraded to a patriarchate. Kosovo was part of the Ottoman Empire from the 15th to the early 20th century. In the late 19th century, it became the centre of the Albanian National Awakening [commonly known as the Albanian Renaissance or National Renaissance or National Revival - compare to American and European nationalism being denigrated as "racist"]. Following their defeat in the Balkan Wars (1912 and 1913), the Ottomans ceded Kosovo to Serbia and Montenegro. Serbia had declared indepedence from the Ottoman Empire and became the Kingdom of Serbia in 1815. Its Obrenovic ruling dynasty was assassinated in 1903 by the Black Hand (formed in 1901). A constitutional monarchy was created with the military Black Hand society operating behind the scenes. The traditionally good relations with Austria-Hungary ended, as the new dynasty relied on the support of the Russian Empire and closer cooperation with Kingdom of Bulgaria. The Black Hand is best known for being allegedly involved in the assassination of Archduke Franz Ferdinand and his wife in Sarajevo (28 June 1914). It is often viewed as having contributed to the start of World War I by precipitating the July Crisis of 1914, which eventually led to Austria-Hungary's invasion of the Kingdom of Serbia [and the begining of WWI]. The Bosnian crisis started [before WWI] in 1908 after Bulgaria declared independence from the Ottoman Empire. The Bosnian crisis is also called the Annexation Crisis because Austria-Hungary annexed Bosnia and Herzegovina, which was populated mainly by South Slavs. Yugoslavia was a Post-WWI "utopian" project to conglomerate the region: first under the name of the Kingdom of Serbs, Croats and Slovenes, then the official name of the state was changed to Kingdom of Yugoslavia on 3 October 1929. Yugoslavia was invaded by the WWII Axis powers on 6 April 1941. The monarchy was abolished in November 1945. Yugoslavia was renamed the Federal People's Republic of Yugoslavia in 1946, when a communist government was established. It acquired the territories of Istria, Rijeka, and Zadar from Italy. Partisan leader Josip Broz Tito ruled the country as president (until 1980). In 1963, the country was renamed again, as the Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia (SFRY). The six Socialist Republics that made up the SFRY were the SR Bosnia and Herzegovina, SR Croatia, SR Macedonia, SR Montenegro, SR Serbia, and SR Slovenia. Serbia contained two Socialist Autonomous Provinces, Vojvodina and Kosovo, which after 1974 were largely equal to the other members of the federation. Slovenia and Croatia wanted more autonomy and to allow a multi-party system. In January 1990, the Serbian-dominated assembly agreed to abolish the single-party system but their other proposals were voted down. The Croatian and Slovene delegations walked out - a symbolic event representing the break-up of the party and the end of "brotherhood and unity". In March 1991, Croatia declared independence from Yugoslavia and Croatian Serbs opposed to that then seceded from Croatia. That conflict is called the "Homeland War". Slovenia seceded from the Yugoslavia federation in June 1991. The secessions of Slovenia and Croatia were declared to be illegal and contrary to the constitution of Yugoslavia. In April 1992, Bosnia and Herzegovina declared independence from Yugoslavia. Kosovar Albanians started an insurgency against Belgrade (the capital of Yugoslavia) when the Kosovo Liberation Army [KLA] was founded in 1996. Armed clashes between the two sides broke out in early 1998. On 23 March with Yugoslav rejection of an external peacekeeping force, NATO prepared to install the peacekeepers by force. The NATO bombing of Yugoslavia followed, an intervention against Serbian forces. The 15-month war had left thousands of civilians killed on both sides and over a million displaced. The Insurgency in the Presevo Valley was an armed conflict between the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia and [Muslim] ethnic-Albanian insurgents, beginning in June 1999 to 2001. The insurgency in the Republic of Macedonia was an armed conflict in Tetovo which began when the ethnic Albanian National Liberation Army (NLA) militant group began attacking the security forces of the Republic of Macedonia at the beginning of February 2001 and ended August 13. Albanians primarily live in Albania, Kosovo, North Macedonia, Montenegro, Serbia as well as in Croatia, Greece and Italy. Even though Albanians (who are primarily Muslim) had Albania - still they attacked Yugoslavia's capital in Belgrade and more. After the breakup of Yugoslavia, the republics of Montenegro and Serbia formed a reduced federative state, known officially until 2003 as the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia (FRY). In 2003, its official name was changed to Serbia and Montenegro. This state dissolved when Montenegro and Serbia each became independent states in 2006, while Kosovo proclaimed its independence from Serbia in 2008. Serbia does not recognize Kosovo as a sovereign state. ------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
Impossible to say without a visual comparison of different ethnotypes. Even if everybody involved has the same skin color, genetics create physiognomy, height ad inf and that can cause as much trouble as pigmentation. Add these religious factors (thanks BTP) and it's a recipe for disaster. Man can't live with or without religion. I enjoy atheist-rightist broadcaster Mike Rivero's easy, breezy comments on the subject. en.wikip edia.org/wiki/The...s_of_Europe_(Ripley_book) If communism kept those ppl from fighting thru the Cold War and kept them white, hooray for communism >:-} The west and east got two different brands of jewing during that time -- but oh boy did they both get jewed. _____________________________________________________________ USA! USA! USA! Bringing you democracy, or else! there were strains of VD that were incurable, and they were first found in the Philippines and then transmitted to the Korean working girls via US military. The 'incurables' we were told were first taken back to a military hospital in the Philippines to quietly die. – 4um
Thank you so much GreyLmist for getting all that together. I'd like to say it sounds basically like all these little ethnostates were destined to exist and finally did, but it's not as simple as that either. Wonder how those Orthodox and Catholics getting along today. One thing's for sure -- without the GD Turks pushing Islam on white people all that time the conflict would have been a lot less severe. (Right?) Why such an Albanian diaspora? Is it bigger than other countries' per capita? _____________________________________________________________ USA! USA! USA! Bringing you democracy, or else! there were strains of VD that were incurable, and they were first found in the Philippines and then transmitted to the Korean working girls via US military. The 'incurables' we were told were first taken back to a military hospital in the Philippines to quietly die. – 4um
LOL!!!
_____________________________________________________________ USA! USA! USA! Bringing you democracy, or else! there were strains of VD that were incurable, and they were first found in the Philippines and then transmitted to the Korean working girls via US military. The 'incurables' we were told were first taken back to a military hospital in the Philippines to quietly die. – 4um
The truth about Srebrenica finally? 11531 ViewsMay 17, 2012 18 Comments With the recent postponement of the trial of Ratko Mladic in the Hague I have been looking around the Internet to see if any new interesting documents about the so-called “Srebrenica genocide” had come out and I came across a most remarkable documentary which has been online since 2011 but which I only noticed today. It is a truly remarkable piece of investigation which I urge everybody to watch and download (just in case it it pulled by YouTube). As some of you know, during the war in Bosnia I had daily access to confidential UNPROFOR information about what was really going on in Bosnia and I would like to say the following about this documentary: I can confirm many, though not all, of the facts presented here and all those which I cannot confirm are fully consistent with what I know. In fact, this report is, by far, the best I have ever seen on this topic. The parts which I cannot confirm are the negotiations and discussions happening inside the Muslim Bosnian military and political leadership. The part which I can fully confirm is the chronology and details of the Bosnian-Serb entry into Srebrenica and the nature and circumstances of the killing of Bosnian-Muslims by Bosnian-Serb forces. The figures given in the movie are exactly the ones I am aware of. I would like to add three elements which are not mentioned in the movie: a) The Dutch UNPROFOR battalion commander and the UN Secretary-General’s Personal Representative Yasushi Akashi made *numerous* request for NATO airpower to stop the Bosnian-Serb forces from entering Srebrenica and all those request were denied by the NATO political leadership. b) Not all the 5’000+ Bosnian-Muslim solider of the Oric Infantry Brigade (aka ” ABiH 2nd Corps 28th Mountain Division”) was killed by Bosnian-Serb forces. Many made it through the mountains and arrived in refugee camps in Tuzla and other cities. c) Some Bosnian-Muslim civilians who were fleeing with the Oric forces also made it to Tuzla and other areas. Many disappeared later in the war and their names were added to the list of “victims of the Srebrenica genocide”. The truth is finally coming out, but so many years later does anybody care? You tell me. The Saker "The government ruling us draws its authority not from the principles of the Declaration of Independence, or even from the delegate powers listed in the U.S. Constitution, but rather from the war to re-conquer the independent South. That conflict, usually referred to by the artfully misleading title “Civil War,” established the fact that the government in Washington is willing to kill Americans in whatever quantity it deems necessary in order to enforce its edicts, and then sanctify the slaughter in the name of some suitably “progressive” social objective.
One thing's for sure -- without [the] Turks pushing Islam on white people all that time the conflict would have been a lot less severe. (Right?) Why such an Albanian diaspora? Is it bigger than other countries' per capita? As for the Albania diaspora, they still do have what's called the Greater Albania/Ethnic Albania expansion project that goes all the way back to the time of the Ottoman Empire, so the diaspora might be part of that. They also collaborated with the Axis occupiers, who had promised them a Greater Albania. Collapse of Yugoslav rule resulted in actions of revenge being undertaken by Albanians, some joining the local Vulnetari militia that burned Serbian settlements and killed Serbs while interwar Serbian and Montenegrin colonists were expelled into Serbia. The aim of these actions were to create a homogeneous Greater Albanian state. The Albanians claimed in May 1941 that nearly all the Albanian populated territories were united to Albania. Between May 1941 and September 1943, Benito Mussolini placed nearly all the land inhabited by ethnic Albanians under the jurisdiction of an Albanian quisling government. Some reports of Albania and Montenegro since the end of Yugoslavia are alarmingly comparative to gangsterism and worse. Serbia, though, did try to help Russia (that had helped them in WWI ; Ref. Post #6 above) by helping our U.S. troops and others who were sent there at the ending phase of WWI to assist the White Russians who were trying to stop the Red Russian/Bolshevik takeover. Some of our troops were called the Polar Bears. I posted a thread about them in my early days here and will link it in this one when I can, along with another 4um discussion about the U.S. and NATO v. Serbia, for additional info relevant to this topic. For now, this is an excerpt from the Wikipedia site on Vladimir Lenin that mentions Serbia and our Polar Bear Expedition in Russia but doesn't call it that: In 1918, the United Kingdom, France, United States, Canada, Italy, and Serbia landed 10,000 troops in Murmansk, seizing Kandalaksha, while later that year British, American, and Japanese forces landed in Vladivostok [i.e. U.S. Polar Bears]. Western troops soon pulled out of the civil war, instead only supporting the Whites with officers, technicians and armaments [after many Polar Bear casualties and others], but Japan remained because they saw the conflict as an opportunity for territorial expansion This is an excerpt from a site called zianet.com about the U.S. and NATO involvement and closes with a notation about much earlier Serbia/Kosovo history: "In the 1980s, the Albanian Islamic-revolutionary militants had already been looking forward to 'Greater Albania,' including 'western Macedonia, southern Montenegro, part of southern Serbia, Kosovo and Albania itself.' But in the 1990s, it was all [supposedly] a 'national liberation movement' to the U.S. State Department. "In 2001, the U.S. State Department even referred to the ubiquitous diabolical bin Laden and al-Qaeda in the KLA as well. But before Sept. 11, 2001, the phrase 'Islamic terrorism' was virtually unknown in the United States, and President Clinton's State Department perceived Yugoslavia as an outdated colonial empire, the Serbs as the Europeans, Christians and hence colonialists, and the Moslems as oppressed victims of colonialism, fighting for their liberation - hence the Kosovo Liberation Army. "The KLA killed not only Serbs but also 'Albanian collaborators,' including women and children. "In August 1995, the Clinton administration supported the Croatian army's expulsion of up to half a million Serbs from Krajina. Ethnic cleansing? A crime against humanity? "Oh, no! Quite the contrary! That was a heroic struggle of victims of colonialism for their liberation from the colonialists." And what is the historic significance of Kosovo to the Christians and Muslims who live in the region? Who are the Serbs of Kosovo, and their relationship to the Muslims? Are they really 'colonialists' who conquered and victimized the poor, downtrodden Muslims of the region? The truth is something very different. KOSOVO BULWARK AGAINST ISLAM: "The Turkish invasion of Europe seemed unstoppable as they swept over everything in their path with fire and sword. Until they reached the Kosovo Plain." [i.e. Serbia stopping the Turks from taking Kosovo in the 1300s/14th century - Ref. Post #6 above] ------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
Thank you, Rube. I really don't know what other course than violence is open to people who want to be free of the curse of Muslim infestation. Muslims are the other jews who wear the other yarmulke and preach the other brand of violent pre-medieval tyranny and supremacy for themselves. Every damned govt that's full of white shabez goyim is sworn to the islamization of its own constituency. Ripping irony: dailystormer.name/merkel-...st-west-divide-over-full- islamic-homosexualization-of-germany/ Kudos on your tag paragraph BTW. Yes, that war is where America became the People's Multikultural Demokratik Soviet of West Slobbovia. _____________________________________________________________ USA! USA! USA! Bringing you democracy, or else! there were strains of VD that were incurable, and they were first found in the Philippines and then transmitted to the Korean working girls via US military. The 'incurables' we were told were first taken back to a military hospital in the Philippines to quietly die. – 4um
Fascinating -- much obliged for all that too. Take all this and turn it into an article for antiwar.com or unz.com etc! Albanians are pure poison, just like Turks -- glad to have this 'hateful' notion of mine confirmed. Aren't they chronic drug pushers etc too? Serbians 'colonists' in their own country -- G..D... Clinton all over again! Sounds like just another way of saying "white people belong nowhere and must die". "Liberation" in a group's name always connotes toxic, lying commie machinations, huh. _____________________________________________________________ USA! USA! USA! Bringing you democracy, or else! there were strains of VD that were incurable, and they were first found in the Philippines and then transmitted to the Korean working girls via US military. The 'incurables' we were told were first taken back to a military hospital in the Philippines to quietly die. – 4um
In 1918, the United Kingdom, France, United States, Canada, Italy, and Serbia landed 10,000 troops in Murmansk, seizing Kandalaksha, while later that year British, American, and Japanese forces landed in Vladivostok [i.e. U.S. Polar Bears]. Western troops soon pulled out of the civil war, instead only supporting the Whites with officers, technicians and armaments [after many Polar Bear casualties and others], but Japan remained because they saw the conflict as an opportunity for territorial expansion Videos that were posted there have vanished due to YouTube coding updates since then or something but are still accessible by clicking on the URL source of the opening post (which is for a playlist) and by clicking on the link at Post #6 for: IB History Project Russian Revolution and US intervention. Title: Congress Needs to Oppose Trump’s Illegal War in Syria - @ Post # 2 ------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
Albanians are pure poison, just like Turks -- glad to have this 'hateful' notion of mine confirmed. Aren't they chronic drug pushers etc too? Serbians 'colonists' in their own country -- G..D... Clinton all over again! Sounds like just another way of saying "white people belong nowhere and must die". "Liberation" in a group's name always connotes toxic, lying commie machinations, huh. In this topic, I didn't address the Bosnian Genocide issues of your opening post title because that subject is presented among the various posted sources here and elsewhere - although usually not questioned enough, imo. I do recall a photo analysis of Muslims said to be inside a prison camp but the determination was that they were outside for a "politacally correct" propaganda staging for the "mainstream" press. At the first line of my first reply here in this topic [@ Post #6] is a link to another 4um Ref. that contains 2 YouTube links with discussions/debates about: the War on Serbia; Kosovo and the Trepca Mine; regional history; etc. Some of the comments from both links are posted in that topic for a synopsis. This is an exchange from the 2nd YouTube link that I didn't archive there, fwiw: "Except - it's an absolute fabrication and you are citing Alistair Campbell's spin campaign. The same guy that invented the 'Iraqi WMDs' as a casus beli for the invasi[on] on Iraq." Edit to add: The word "massacre" instead of "genocide" is significant because it indicates casualties that were the battle forces of an enemy-military more than it does a "genocidal ethnic-cleansing". ------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
“I am not one of those weak-spirited, sappy Americans who want to be liked by all the people around them. I don’t care if people hate my guts; I assume most of them do. The important question is whether they are in a position to do anything about it. My affections, being concentrated over a few people, are not spread all over Hell in a vile attempt to placate sulky, worthless shits.” - William S Burroughs
Simply marvelous -- will try those links. And if you don't make an article out of all this I'll break every bone in your body! >:-|
_____________________________________________________________ USA! USA! USA! Bringing you democracy, or else! there were strains of VD that were incurable, and they were first found in the Philippines and then transmitted to the Korean working girls via US military. The 'incurables' we were told were first taken back to a military hospital in the Philippines to quietly die. – 4um
Isn't that amazing -- muchus grassious. Is this show any good? Have never seen a single episode. The claim is that Groening isn't jew but I don't see how that could possibly be. To think of them showing Albanians, shall we say, realistically! _____________________________________________________________ USA! USA! USA! Bringing you democracy, or else! there were strains of VD that were incurable, and they were first found in the Philippines and then transmitted to the Korean working girls via US military. The 'incurables' we were told were first taken back to a military hospital in the Philippines to quietly die. – 4um
Main Export: Furious Political Thought. :) Groening is an aging slacker, I doubt he spends much time contemplating eternity. “I am not one of those weak-spirited, sappy Americans who want to be liked by all the people around them. I don’t care if people hate my guts; I assume most of them do. The important question is whether they are in a position to do anything about it. My affections, being concentrated over a few people, are not spread all over Hell in a vile attempt to placate sulky, worthless shits.” - William S Burroughs
Luckily, it's not the weekend in this time zone. It's Tuesday, so reading this topic should be doable over the next three days. : ) ------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
I wouldn't believe that for a New York minute. Even so, since you insist, I'll add that article assignment at the bottom of my to-do-list for sometime someday maybe. : ) ------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
That little gem has to be a reference to the despicable Gramsci, no?
_____________________________________________________________ USA! USA! USA! Bringing you democracy, or else! there were strains of VD that were incurable, and they were first found in the Philippines and then transmitted to the Korean working girls via US military. The 'incurables' we were told were first taken back to a military hospital in the Philippines to quietly die. – 4um
You're such a superb writer, etc., that you'd put half of Unz's to shame! You must have done a great deal of it? I'm sure I'm not the only ameriKan with extremely faulty fluency in this page's subject matter. _____________________________________________________________ USA! USA! USA! Bringing you democracy, or else! there were strains of VD that were incurable, and they were first found in the Philippines and then transmitted to the Korean working girls via US military. The 'incurables' we were told were first taken back to a military hospital in the Philippines to quietly die. – 4um
Good catch! :)
“I am not one of those weak-spirited, sappy Americans who want to be liked by all the people around them. I don’t care if people hate my guts; I assume most of them do. The important question is whether they are in a position to do anything about it. My affections, being concentrated over a few people, are not spread all over Hell in a vile attempt to placate sulky, worthless shits.” - William S Burroughs
Thanks for your generosity. Now that you mention it, I did do a lot of research and writing today in a hurry but am going to have to get busy now with other matters of importance. Have a good evening, all y'all. CYA L8r. ... : ) ------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken
In March 1991, Croatia declared independence from Yugoslavia and Croatian Serbs opposed to that then seceded from Croatia. That conflict is called the "Homeland War". Slovenia seceded from the Yugoslavia federation in June 1991. The secessions of Slovenia and Croatia were declared to be illegal and contrary to the constitution of Yugoslavia. In April 1992, Bosnia and Herzegovina declared independence from Yugoslavia. Kosovar Albanians started an insurgency against Belgrade (the capital of Yugoslavia) when the Kosovo Liberation Army [KLA] was founded in 1996. ... Archiving a statement @ 37:24. ------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
"Except - it's an absolute fabrication and you are citing Alistair Campbell's spin campaign. The same guy that invented the 'Iraqi WMDs' as a casus beli for the invasi[on] on Iraq." Edit to add: The word "massacre" instead of "genocide" is significant because it indicates casualties that were the battle forces of an enemy-military more than it does a "genocidal ethnic-cleansing". Peter Hitchens is an English conservative journalist and author who describes himself as an Ex-Communist. He has described both Alistair Campbell and Tony Blair as Trotskyites and many members of the Blairite apparatus as student Marxists who remained radical. At 50:14-50:47 of that YouTube ref., Hitchens comments about Alistair Campbell's question-combining technique to not answer all the questions. Upon arriving in Bosnian government-controlled territory, I.O. began to contact various government, human rights and humanitarian organizations in Geneva and the Netherlands only to be told that no one had heard of such a list. Human Rights Watch/Helsinki representative then inquired with the Dutch Foreign Ministry about the existence of the list, but were told that it had no knowledge about the existence of such a list. However, following Human Rights Watch/Helsinki’s request, an internal inquiry within the Dutch government was conducted and the list was eventually found in the Dutch Defense Ministry. A copy was then forwarded to the Dutch Foreign Ministry, which subsequently sent a copy to Human Rights Watch/Helsinki. A transcribed copy of the list appears as Appendix A of this report [titled as: List of Missing Men and Boys from Potocari]. Note: Why would the names of a man who was not missing and his allegedly missing wife have been added to that presumed list of missing military-aged males? ------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
A sobering video, even if it contains fakery -- the idea that Trump and his supporters would ever become a dictatorship over their opposition! Juxtaposition of a "Make America hate again" sign is so low. "Alistair Campbell's question-combining technique to not answer all the questions" -- gliberals use such low dialectic tricks, but everybody just lets 'em get away with it! And conservs LOVE to believe supersize whopper peecee lies. Peter Hitchens sounds really good in contrast with his strange, more famous brother: en.wikipedia. org/wiki/Peter_Hitchens#Journalism That page says (linking to the Guardian) their mother "committed suicide in Athens[3] in a pact with her lover, a defrocked clergyman named Timothy Bryan.[4] The pair overdosed on sleeping pills in adjoining hotel rooms, and Bryan slashed his wrists in the bathtub." Christopher's page says "Later in life, Hitchens identified as a secular Jew—since Judaism is matrilineal and he discovered his mother was Jewish." _____________________________________________________________ USA! USA! USA! Bringing you democracy, or else! there were strains of VD that were incurable, and they were first found in the Philippines and then transmitted to the Korean working girls via US military. The 'incurables' we were told were first taken back to a military hospital in the Philippines to quietly die. – 4um
Appending Post #3 at a recent 4um topic re: NATO w/endnotes re: Srebrenica, 1995. Also contains additonal info on the Balkan/Yugoslav Wars timeframe re: the UN and NATO, US&NATO, US&NATO General Wesley Clark + the Post-Balkan/Yugoslav Wars timeframe re: Post-9/11 Wars, Globalist Warhawk politicos/agendists and more.
------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
NeioconsNailed typo @ Post #30. Sorry. Meant to ping you there re: Srebrenica, etc.
------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
Thanks for that. On principle I've never even tried to follow any of that inter-Slav conflict that followed the fall of the Wall -- but if this would be a hoax damning to the UN and NWO, good.
_____________________________________________________________ USA! USA! USA! Bringing you democracy, or else! there were strains of VD that were incurable, and they were first found in the Philippines and then transmitted to the Korean working girls via US military. The 'incurables' we were told were first taken back to a military hospital in the Philippines to quietly die. – 4um
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Bosnia
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HOW a religious war STARTED BY ISLAM became a racial conflict?
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What side(s), if any, would you all say was in the right in the Bosnian (etc.) war?
Short version @ 4um Ref. - Post #1: "Serbs [were] the only one[s] who fought to save Yugoslavia from col[l]apsing." The Serbs are grateful to Tsar Nicholas II because he saved Serbian soldiers and Serbian people from certain death at Albania during the 1st WW.
More detailed historical version:
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From the Saker
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Thank you so much GreyLmist for getting all that together. I'd like to say it sounds basically like all these little ethnostates were destined to exist and finally did, but it's not as simple as that either. Wonder how those Orthodox and Catholics getting along today.
You're welcome. It's handier to have it organized in one place, imo. : ) Orthodox and Catholics generally get along ok. I think you are right that the conflict would have been less severe without the mass conversion of Albanians to Islam when the Turks were in contol of the area. Very possibly, the conflict that involved NATO and the U.S. might not have happened at all and the Clinton-admin would have had to claim some other reason to wipe Yugoslavia off the map. The Whites were also backed by Western governments who perceived the [Bolshevik's] Treaty of Brest-Litovsk [with the Central Powers] as a betrayal of the Allied war effort and feared the Bolsheviks' calls for world revolution.
"The KLA [Kosovo Liberation Army] had been engaged in prototypical Islamic terrorism and guerrilla war, aimed at the 'liberation' of Kosovo.
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[Serbia] did try to help Russia (that had helped them in WWI ; Ref. Post #6 above) by helping our U.S. troops and others who were sent there at the ending phase of WWI to assist the White Russians who were trying to stop the Red Russian/Bolshevik takeover. Some of our troops were called the Polar Bears. I posted a thread about them in my early days here and will link it in this one when I can, along with another 4um discussion about the U.S. and NATO v. Serbia, for additional info relevant to this topic. For now, this is an excerpt from the Wikipedia site on Vladimir Lenin that mentions Serbia and our Polar Bear Expedition in Russia but doesn't call it that:
The Whites were also backed by Western governments who perceived the [Bolshevik's] Treaty of Brest-Litovsk [with the Central Powers] as a betrayal of the Allied war effort and feared the Bolsheviks' calls for world revolution.
This is the link for the 4um topic about our Polar Bear troops:
This is the above mentioned 4um link re: U.S. and NATO involvement v. Serbia, (which is actually in a topic about Syria but contains info and links relevant to this topic in the 1st paragraph of the 1st Wikipedia source):
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Fascinating -- much obliged for all that too. Take all this and turn it into an article for antiwar.com or unz.com etc!
I'm more of a research compiler than an article format writer. It's open source info so fine by me if it can be useful for writers countering Cultural Marxist falsehoods and such. "it is a fact with absolute evidence that the ethnic cleansing going on was committed overwhelmingly by the Serbs, remember Srebrenica massacre, ..."
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Albanians are pure poison, just like Turks -- glad to have this 'hateful' notion of mine confirmed. Aren't they chronic drug pushers etc too?
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https://youtu.be/43kVwA7NuMU
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if you don't make an article out of all this I'll break every bone in your body!
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You're such a superb writer, etc., that you'd put half of Unz's to shame! You must have done a great deal of it?
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Slovenia and Croatia wanted more autonomy and to allow a multi- party system. In January 1990, the Serbian-dominated assembly agreed to abolish the single-party system but their other proposals were voted down. The Croatian and Slovene delegations walked out - a symbolic event representing the break-up of the party and the end of "brotherhood and unity".
Peter Hitchens - The EU is the Continuation of Germany By Other Means - YouTube, 1:21:49 | Published on Nov 28, 2015 by Super Man "it was, of course, German influence which compelled the recognition of Croatia and the resulting horrors in Yugoslavia."
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In this topic, I didn't address the Bosnian Genocide issues of your opening post title because that subject is presented among the various posted sources here and elsewhere - although usually not questioned enough, imo. I do recall a photo analysis of Muslims said to be inside a prison camp but the determination was that they were outside for a "polit[i]cally correct" propaganda staging for the "mainstream" press. At the first line of my first reply here in this topic [@ Post #6] is a link to another 4um Ref. that contains 2 YouTube links with discussions/debates about: the War on Serbia; Kosovo and the Trepca Mine; regional history; etc. Some of the comments from both links are posted in that topic for a synopsis. This is an exchange from the 2nd YouTube link that I didn't archive there, fwiw:
"it is a fact with absolute evidence that the ethnic cleansing going on was committed overwhelmingly by the Serbs, remember Srebrenica massacre, ..."
Am archiving some sources here to address the underlined issues above:
1. Alistair Campbell - a British journalist, broadcaster, political aide and author. He worked as Tony Blair's spokesman and campaign director (1994–1997), followed by Downing Street Press Secretary (1997–2000) for Labour Prime Minister Tony Blair. He then became Downing Street Director of Communications and spokesman for the Labour Party (2000–2003). He resigned in August 2003 during the Hutton Inquiry into the death of David Kelly. ... Since his work for Blair, Campbell has continued to act as a freelance advisor to a number of governments and political parties, including the Prime Minister of Albania, whose Socialist Party coalition won a landslide at the 2013 Albanian election.
2. The Fall of Srebrenica and the Failure of UN Peacekeeping | Bosnia and Herzegovina | Human Rights Watch | HRW.org According to UNHCR estimates, approximately 30,000 people began to evacuate Srebrenica and move back to the northern part of the enclave towards a U.N. base in Potocari — a village located halfway between Srebrenica and Bratunac. On the same day, observation post "H" emptied and the Dutch troops withdrew. ... The Bosnian Serbs then announced that the U.N. troops could have safe passage out of the enclave if they surrendered their weapons, and demanded that all civilians leave the town within forty-eight hours.
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While in Tuzla, Human Rights Watch/Helsinki representatives were told by I.O., a displaced person from Srebrenica, that a list had been compiled of Muslim men who had been in the Dutch compound at the U.N. base in Potocari. The list contains the names of 239 military-aged boys and men who had [allegedly] been at the base, had [supposedly] surrendered to the Bosnian Serbs, and are now [said to be] missing. The list was compiled by a Muslim from Srebrenica who had been at the Potocari base. His wife and son are also [reportedly] missing. I.O. told Human Rights Watch/Helsinki representatives that the list had been given to a Mr. Franken, a Dutch military officer at the Potocari compound. Mr. Franken reportedly told the Bosnian Serb soldiers that a list containing the names of the men and boys within the Potocari base had been compiled, that he retained a copy of that list, and that he would pass it on to “officials in Holland and Geneva” as a guarantee that the prisoners should not be mistreated by the Bosnian Serb forces.
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The person who compiled this list, did not include his name (Ibro Nuhanovic, born 1943) and the name of his wife (Nasiha Nuhanovic, born 1947) and his son (Muhamed Nuhanovic, born 1974) on the list. All three were present at the Dutch battalion’s U.N. compound in Potocari when they [are thought to have] surrendered to Bosnian Serb forces. Affadavits signed by three U.N. military observers (UNMOs) who also were present at the Poto[c]ari base at the time attest to the presence of the three aforementioned persons (Human Rights Watch/Helsinki retains copies of the three affadavits). Thus, the total number of persons whose names are contained on this list is 242.
3. YouTube ref. @ 3:40 - the photo of a female child who appears to be crying behind barbed wire, as if she could be in a prison camp rather than a UN safe zone, is a different example than the one referenced above in the quote section. Her attire indicates that she is not a Muslim of the conflict but the media's intent is evidently to provoke misperceptions that it is evidence of children being religiously persecuted by Serbs because "these terrible things" is all that is said at that point about it or in the remaining few seconds of that video.
Other sources might be appended later.
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