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Title: EU officials reject Boris Johnson claim of 'huge progress' in Brexit talks
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URL Source: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/worl ... lks/ar-AAHkLtE?ocid=spartanntp
Published: Sep 15, 2019
Author: Jennifer Rankin and Daniel Boffey
Post Date: 2019-09-15 15:02:39 by BTP Holdings
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EU officials reject Boris Johnson claim of 'huge progress' in Brexit talks

Jennifer Rankin and Daniel Boffey 2 hrs ago

EU officials have rejected Boris Johnson’s claim that “a huge amount of progress” is being made in Brexit talks, as Jean-Claude Juncker warned that time is running out.

© Getty Images Johnson is due to meet Juncker for talks over lunch in Luxembourg on Monday.

Juncker, who will stand down as European commission president on 31 October, is expected to ask Johnson to spell out his ideas for replacing the Irish backstop when the pair meet over lunch in Luxembourg on Monday.

Johnson told the Mail on Sunday there were “real signs of movement” in Berlin, Paris and Dublin on getting rid of the backstop, the persistent stumbling block to a Brexit agreement. “A huge amount of progress is being made,” he said.

But EU officials involved in talks with Johnson’s envoy, David Frost, have dismissed his upbeat account.

“No, in fact people are a bit dismayed,” said one EU source, describing the mood after the latest talks. “I am not even going to call them negotiations – the last session on Friday did start touching on content – that’s actually quite a step forward … but we still should have been there a long time ago and [an end result] is still quite far away.”

The lunch meeting with Juncker comes 26 days after Johnson met Angela Merkel in Berlin and declared he had 30 days to persuade the EU there was a viable alternative to the backstop.

That meeting in Berlin, followed by others with EU leaders in Paris and Biarritz, raised hopes that the prime minister was serious about a deal. But optimism in Brussels rapidly dissipated, after Johnson prorogued parliament and stepped up his no-deal rhetoric, while failing to put any proposals on paper. A spate of recent reports from London analysts that a deal was becoming more likely were dismissed as “completely wrong” by one senior EU official.

Johnson’s latest rhetorical fancy – that, like the Incredible Hulk, the UK would break out of its “manacles” on 31 October – has further fuelled EU scepticism about his sincerity.

Describing the language as “not very surprising”, the EU source said: “It all makes it look like it’s a bit of a joke. We are talking about something extremely serious. The consequences of no deal will be extremely serious and it looks like this is being treated as a game in which you are the hero sort of story rather than [dealing] with real lives.”

Juncker said a no-deal Brexit would be a mess and take years to resolve. Speaking to Deutschlandfunk, he said patriots in the UK “would not wish your country such a fate”.

He said the EU knew what the British did not want, but were still waiting for alternative backstop proposals: “I hope we can get them, but time is running out.”

EU officials hope the meeting will create momentum towards an agreement. The outgoing commission president is not involved in day-to-day Brexit talks, but has intervened at crisis points. In March, for example, he tried to help Theresa May sell the deal to Conservative backbenchers, with pledges that the EU did not want to trap the UK in the backstop.

The backstop, a fallback plan for avoiding a hard border on the island of Ireland, continues to keep both sides at loggerheads. Johnson is adamant the backstop must go, while the EU insists any exit agreement must contain the backstop or a legally watertight equivalent.

In Friday’s talks, Frost outlined ideas for an all-Ireland regulatory regime for food and agriculture, which Downing Street thinks would go a long way to replacing the backstop.

Brussels thinks these ideas fall far short of what is required to protect European markets from dangerous goods, fraud or unfair competition. EU officials say food safety, animal, plant and health measures cannot be separated from customs, because otherwise no one would know what is entering European markets. Officials say the UK has put forward unfinished ideas on sanitary and phytosanitary (SPS) measures, which leave many questions unanswered, such as definitions of SPS goods and the scope of SPS regulations.

“As the UK starts exploring the question and starts to put ideas forward, they are starting to realise how complex SPS is,” the source said.

However, officials see some positive steps: they think the UK has agreed to “dynamic alignment” on food and agriculture, meaning Northern Ireland would automatically accept updates to the EU rulebook in these areas.

With time running short to resolve highly technical issues that touch on sensitive political questions, the EU is also uncertain whether Johnson can get a Commons majority for a deal.

The Johnson government has a “credibility problem” over whether it could get a revised agreement passed in the Commons, one EU diplomat said. “What kind of mandate does Mr Johnson have? Since he doesn’t have a majority and no party is really clear on [Brexit] then it would certainly be good to engage the opposition.”


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The Johnson government has a “credibility problem” over whether it could get a revised agreement passed in the Commons, one EU diplomat said. “What kind of mandate does Mr Johnson have?


It's not PM Johnson who has a credibility problem. It's Remainer MPs and the EU who do:

[Vulgarity Warning] Remainer MPs Colluded With Brussels! - YouTube, 4.25 minutes | Published on Sep 7, 2019 by Jeff Taylor | Transcript:

Well, what a surprise - NOT! It turns out that Tory and opposition party MPs got assurances from EU leaders that they would get this surrender bill Article 50 extension.

The Times says that it understands that those MPs talked to the EU Council before they went ahead with their plan, to make sure that they would get what they put into that surrender bill.

And The Times says that one of these MPs said that it was not a case that they thought they'd get the extension, that MP said they knew they would get it.

The group of MPs also claim that the bill is 95% legally watertight and that they are geared up to take the Prime Minister to court to enforce the law.

So, a group of nameless elected politicians, went and negotiated the change to an international treaty with the heads of 27 foreign powers without the sanction of either the UK head of state, the Queen, nor with the permission of the UK head of Government, the Prime Minister, Boris Johnson.

They then returned and engaged in framing a law based on those negotiations. Then, with the help of a compliant Speaker, John Bercow and a very helpful House of Lords, they pushed through a law based on those, what I would call 'unlawful', negotiations.

I say 'unlawful' because as far as I can tell as a laymen, according to a parliamentary paper on the royal war prerogative, engaging in foreign affairs is the exclusive realm of the executive, that is, the government.

And I'll further back this up by pointing to the furore that was unleashed when Nigel Farage, the leader of the Brexit Party, said he would put together a team and toddle off and negotiate a trade deal with the USA.

The International Trade Secretary, Liam Fox, slapped him down in a Tweet saying:

"only the UK Govt speaks for our country internationally"

And Remainers demanded that Farage kept his nose out of it, of course.

But it seems that UK Remainer politicians do speak for the UK internationally, while agreeing with the EU27 on exactly how to derail Brexit.

That surely cannot be right.

And if any of this crowd is a Right Honourable member of the Privy Council, that title should be stripped from them for a start.

And that surrender bill about to be signed off with Royal Assent should be stopped until a proper inquiry is held into the actions of those involved.

The people need to know if any other agreements were made as a part of these discussions. Were political [bleep]s, the order of the day for example?

Surely Royal Assent should be withheld until the minutes of any meetings these people held with foreign powers are published for all to see?

Many people say that Boris Johnson has no legitimacy because no-one voted for him - you know that old one - well I know for a fact that I did not vote for any of those MPs that traipsed off to Brussels or got on the phone to negotiate away my rights and my vote.

Haven't the British people got the right to know what exactly was agreed and what assurances were given by each side in order to get their deal done?

The Remain side keep talking about transparency and openness and demanding reports and papers be released etc.

Well, I say release this one then - with names.


From the Comments: "Colluding with a foreign power to undermine the mandate of the people = Treason if not High Treason"

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2019-09-16   6:05:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: BTP Holdings (#0) (Edited)

In Friday’s talks, Frost outlined ideas for an all-Ireland regulatory regime for food and agriculture, which Downing Street thinks would go a long way to replacing the backstop.

Brussels thinks these ideas fall far short of what is required to protect European markets from dangerous goods, fraud or unfair competition. EU officials say food safety, animal, plant and health measures cannot be separated from customs, because otherwise no one would know what is entering European markets.


A new deal with the EU = another EU Treaty Brexitstop, not Independence. This shouldn't be so complicated that it's taken more than 3 years to get nowhere. This is about 2 islands where nothing and no one can get in or out except by sea or air. The only party that isn't ok with an open border on the Irish Isle is the EU. Until some other arrangement can be agreed to between the UK and the EU, America would probably be agreeable to temporarily acting as a neutral third party Customs Inspector at airports, seaports, and at sea:

U.S. Customs Expands Cargo Pre-Clearance

VESSEL CLEARANCE - Customs Broker, Freight Forwarding & Trade Compliance Services

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2019-09-16   6:38:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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Ringo Starr is for Brexit, and his political opinions are usually merde.

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USA! USA! USA! Bringing you democracy, or else! there were strains of VD that were incurable, and they were first found in the Philippines and then transmitted to the Korean working girls via US military. The 'incurables' we were told were first taken back to a military hospital in the Philippines to quietly die. – 4um

NeoconsNailed  posted on  2019-09-16   7:34:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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