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Title: John Bolton's Jewish Replacement Fine With Gambling Away 20 Million Americans in Nuclear War
Source: [None]
URL Source: https://russia-insider.com/en/polit ... -americans-nuclear-war/ri27646
Published: Sep 16, 2019
Author: Mike Shedlock
Post Date: 2019-09-16 08:44:42 by Ada
Keywords: None
Views: 1085
Comments: 16

Or 150 million, who's counting anyway

Questioning “mutual assured destruction,” Charles Kupperman called nuclear conflict “in large part a physics problem.”

Incoming National Security Advisor, Charles Kupperman, made the claim Nuclear War With USSR Was Winnable.

He made those statements in the 1980s. I do not know his views today, but let's review what he said then.

President Donald Trump’s acting national security adviser, former Reagan administration official Charles Kupperman, made an extraordinary and controversial claim in the early 1980s: nuclear conflict with the USSR was winnable and that “nuclear war is a destructive thing but still in large part a physics problem.”

Kupperman, appointed to his new post on Tuesday after Trump fired his John Bolton from the job, argued it was possible to win a nuclear war “in the classical sense,” and that the notion of total destruction stemming from such a superpower conflict was inaccurate. He said that in a scenario in which 20 million people died in the U.S. as opposed to 150 million, the nation could then emerge as the stronger side and prevail in its objectives.

His argument was that with enough planning and civil defense measures, such as “a certain layer of dirt and some reinforced construction materials,” the effects of a nuclear war could be limited and that U.S. would be able to fairly quickly rebuild itself after an all-out conflict with the then-Soviet Union.

At the time, Kupperman was executive director of President Ronald Reagan’s General Advisory Committee on Arms Control and Disarmament. He made the comments during an interview with Robert Scheer for the journalist’s 1982 book, “With Enough Shovels: Reagan, Bush, and Nuclear War.”

The National Security Council did not immediately respond to questions on whether Kupperman, 68, still holds the same views of nuclear conflict as he did in the early 1980s. Kupperman’s seemingly cavalier attitude toward the potential death of millions of people was criticized at the time both by Democratic politicians and arms control experts.

The article posts excerpts so let's look at a couple of precise statements. Kupperman Statements

If the objective in a war is to try to destroy as many Soviet civilians and as many American civilians as is feasible, and the casualty levels approached 150 million on each side, then it’s going to be tough to say you have a surviving nation after that. But depending on how the nuclear war is fought, it could mean the difference between 150 casualties and 20 million casualties. I think that is a significant difference, and if the country loses 20 million people, you may have a chance of surviving after that.

I think it is possible to win, in the classical sense. It means that it is clear after the war that one side is stronger than the other side, the weaker side is going to accede to the demands of the stronger side.

Winning in the Classical Sense

We lost 20 million, they lost 150 million.

Let's call that "winning in the "classical sense".

It's precisely how one "wins" trade wars, but on a much larger scale.

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#1. To: Ada (#0)

I guess that there's an endless supply of these insane phuks.

“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken

Lod  posted on  2019-09-16   13:33:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Ada (#0)

Or 150 million, who's counting anyway

We need think this thru to all possible conclusions, all out nuclear war, most people consider there would be NO winners.

There is but one alternative, only one, that is to submit.

ALL humans have ingrained resistance to evil. Take your enemy with you, or live on your knees for the rest of your life.

Cynicom  posted on  2019-09-16   13:47:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: All (#1)

“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken

Lod  posted on  2019-09-16   13:56:34 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Cynicom (#2)

Take your enemy with you, or live on your knees for the rest of your life.

We have met the enemy and they are us.

Ada  posted on  2019-09-16   14:38:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Ada (#0)

They told him who to appoint and the bastard did it.

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USA! USA! USA! Bringing you democracy, or else! there were strains of VD that were incurable, and they were first found in the Philippines and then transmitted to the Korean working girls via US military. The 'incurables' we were told were first taken back to a military hospital in the Philippines to quietly die. – 4um

NeoconsNailed  posted on  2019-09-16   15:16:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: NeoconsNailed (#5)

Maybe he's just a temp, but the proposed candidates seem to be Bolton clones.

Ada  posted on  2019-09-16   16:45:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Ada (#4)

We have met the enemy and they are us.

Really????

Less than ten per cent of Colonists fought the Revolutionary war to rid us of the British. The rest did nothing or sat on their hands during the war, yet when the few won the majority were all for them.

Human nature nev er changes.

Cynicom  posted on  2019-09-16   18:25:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Cynicom (#7)

But we are our own worst enemy as you've just described.... because human nature never changes.

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USA! USA! USA! Bringing you democracy, or else! there were strains of VD that were incurable, and they were first found in the Philippines and then transmitted to the Korean working girls via US military. The 'incurables' we were told were first taken back to a military hospital in the Philippines to quietly die. – 4um

NeoconsNailed  posted on  2019-09-16   19:46:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Ada (#0)

Gambling Away 20 Million Americans in Nuclear War

It'd be more like 6.57 BILLION people, the entire population of the northern hemisphere.

Not many targets in the southern hemisphere, so they might have a better survival rate.


"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination

FormerLurker  posted on  2019-09-16   21:26:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Lod (#1)

I guess that there's an endless supply of these insane phuks.

don't know about endless but seems zion-don wants to make sure they get emploment.


I used to be in a hurry, then I figured out I was just getting nowhere fast.

IRTorqued  posted on  2019-09-16   23:18:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Cynicom (#2)

donnie on your lap


I used to be in a hurry, then I figured out I was just getting nowhere fast.

IRTorqued  posted on  2019-09-16   23:19:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: NeoconsNailed (#5)

and you expected differently?


I used to be in a hurry, then I figured out I was just getting nowhere fast.

IRTorqued  posted on  2019-09-16   23:21:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Ada (#6)

maybe he is just a continuation, donnie had no qualms about picking up where berry ended


I used to be in a hurry, then I figured out I was just getting nowhere fast.

IRTorqued  posted on  2019-09-16   23:25:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: IRTorqued (#12)

No, I'm the one that's said from the beginning he'd just be another Bush.

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USA! USA! USA! Bringing you democracy, or else! there were strains of VD that were incurable, and they were first found in the Philippines and then transmitted to the Korean working girls via US military. The 'incurables' we were told were first taken back to a military hospital in the Philippines to quietly die. – 4um

NeoconsNailed  posted on  2019-09-17   1:17:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: NeoconsNailed (#14)

he'd just be another Bush.

But Donald never had the coke problem Bush II had. I got the poop on that from a DEA agent. ;)

"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke

BTP Holdings  posted on  2019-09-17   21:50:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: BTP Holdings (#15)

His addictions are in fact well known -- to our disgruntled kind, at least. 'Twas during his reign the term 'dry drunk' was learnt by millions -- what a presidential distinction

www.irishtimes.com/opinio...reflects-many-aspects-of- the-dry-drunk-1.358023

.....but the question is how dry this drunk really is at a given time. Sure wish he'd just die from something tortuous and slow-acting.

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USA! USA! USA! Bringing you democracy, or else! there were strains of VD that were incurable, and they were first found in the Philippines and then transmitted to the Korean working girls via US military. The 'incurables' we were told were first taken back to a military hospital in the Philippines to quietly die. – 4um

NeoconsNailed  posted on  2019-09-18   0:32:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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