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Title: Boris Johnson: No-deal only alternative to Brexit plan
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URL Source: https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-49906702
Published: Oct 2, 2019
Author: staff
Post Date: 2019-10-02 09:56:06 by Ada
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Boris Johnson: "It (no deal) is not an outcome we want... but is an outcome for which we are ready"

Boris Johnson says there should be "no doubt" the only alternative to the Brexit proposals he will put to Brussels later is no-deal.

Addressing his party conference in Manchester, the PM said his plan would be a "compromise by the UK", but he hoped the EU would "understand that and compromise in their turn".

The European Commission said they will "examine [the proposals] objectively".

The Irish PM said he had not seen the plans but was "not encouraged".

Leo Varadker told the Irish Parliament: "What we are hearing is not encouraging and would not be the basis for agreement."

The UK is set to leave the EU on 31 October.

The government has insisted it will not negotiate a further delay beyond the Halloween deadline, saying this would be unnecessary and costly for the UK.

However, under the terms of a law passed by Parliament last month, the PM faces having to request another extension unless MPs back the terms of withdrawal by 19 October - two days after a summit of European leaders.

The European Commission's President Jean-Claude Juncker and Mr Johnson will speak on the phone later, and the two sides' negotiating teams will also meet.

LIVE: PMQs and Johnson's speech to conference PM: UK offering 'constructive' Brexit plans Would a Brexit delay cost the UK £400m a week? UK Brexit plans to include Irish customs checks

In his speech, Mr Johnson said no-deal was not an outcome the government was seeking, but "it is an outcome for which we are ready".

On the eve of his speech, Mr Johnson told a conference fringe meeting, hosted by the DUP, that he hoped to reach a deal with the EU over the course of "the next few days". What has the PM proposed? Image copyright EPA

The issue of the Irish border - and how to keep it free from border checks when it becomes the frontier between the UK and the EU - has been a key sticking point in Brexit negotiations.

Mr Johnson has said the solution reached by the EU and Theresa May, the backstop, is "anti-democratic" and "inconsistent with the sovereignty of the UK", claiming it offered no means for the UK to unilaterally exit and no say for the people of Northern Ireland over the rules that would apply there.

The PM used his speech to confirm parts of his offer to the EU.

He said that "under no circumstances" would there be checks at or near the border in Northern Ireland and the proposals would respect the peace process and the Good Friday agreement.

It included promising "a process of renewable democratic consent" for the Stormont Assembly on its relationship with the EU going forward.

He also referred to the use of technological solutions to ensure there was no hard border on the island of Ireland.

He said he did not want a deal to be out of reach "because of what is essentially a technical discussion of the exact nature of future customs checks when that technology is improving the whole time".

What are the Brexit backstop options? Are speculators pushing the PM towards no deal?

Mr Johnson also said he would "protect the existing regulatory arrangements for farmers and other businesses on both sides of the border".

He added: "At the same time we will allow the UK - whole and entire - to withdraw from the EU, with control of our own trade policy from the start."

The PM said this would "protect the union".

Echoing the main slogan of the conference, Mr Johnson said: "Let's get Brexit done on 31 October…to answer the cry of those 17.4 million who voted for Brexit [and] for those millions who may have voted Remain, but are first and foremost democrats and accept the result of the referendum."

He said the Tories were "not an anti-European party" and the UK is "not an anti-European country".

The PM added: "We love Europe. We are European.

"But after 45 years of really dramatic constitutional change, we must have a new relationship with the EU."

This speech was hugely important for Boris Johnson's Brexit deal.

Be in no doubt that amongst those listening most closely, most intently, will be leaders in other European capitals, trying to gauge whether Mr Johnson is serious about a Brexit deal or whether he is paving the way for no-deal and looking to blame the EU.

This was actually a rather surprising speech because there was none of the aggressive, combative language that we had been expecting - none of the in your face, take it or leave it final offer that we were told would form the guts of his argument.

Instead, it seemed Mr Johnson went out of his way to adopt a rather more emollient approach, saying how much he loved Europe, how the Tory Party wasn't an anti-European party and how Britain wasn't an anti-European country.

What that meant was that Mr Johnson didn't endeavour to bring the house down in the conference hall. He didn't go for the easy Brussels bashing, and for the wider viewers in this country, there were no brand new policy announcements.

You sense Mr Johnson has calculated for the next few hours and days that the really crucial audience in terms of his premiership, and for his future, is not here in Manchester - it's in capitals around the EU. What does the EU think? Image copyright Reuters

Before Mr Johnson's speech, a European Commission spokeswoman said they would examine the proposals objectively, adding: "We will listen carefully to the UK."

She said the EU wanted to agree a deal with the UK, saying "an orderly withdrawal is far more preferable than a 'no-deal' scenario".

But the spokeswoman also reminded the UK of its "well-known criteria", saying: "In order for there to be a deal, we must have a legally operational solution that meets all the objectives of the backstop.

"[That means] preventing a hard border, preserving North-South cooperation and the all-island economy, and protecting the EU's Single Market and Ireland's place in it."

Leo Varadker said he would work until the last moment to secure an agreement, but he added: "We will not do so at any cost, and we are ready for no-deal if that's what the British decide to do."

The BBC's Europe editor, Katya Adler said the bloc wanted to do a deal and needed to be seen to try.

But she added it was "fundamentally misunderstanding the EU" if the prime minister believed the other 26 EU leaders will turn round to Ireland and say they have to accept the proposals just they want to have a deal. What has been the reaction to his speech? Image copyright PA Media

There were huge rounds of applause for Mr Johnson from within the conference hall, showing support from his party.

After the speech, one member said the PM was "exactly what we need", while another said she had been "inspired", adding: "We are so fed up with nothing happening, but we feel like something will happen now because we think he will deliver."

Leaving the hall, Tory MP Mims Davies described her leader as "bombastic Boris", saying: "That [speech] was a message to the country, a message to our party and a message to the EU - we are ready to get on with this."

But the PM's plan has been branded as "extreme" and "doomed to failure" by the SNP's Westminster leader, Ian Blackford, who said his strategy was leading towards a no-deal.

Shadow chancellor John McDonnell said the prime minister's speech was "absolute bluster" and he described it as a "cynical manipulation to get a no-deal".

Mr McDonnell also that any Brexit deal or no-deal should be put to the people to make the final decision.

The director general of the CBI, Dame Carolyn Fairbairn, praised the PM's "optimistic vision for the UK".

But she said his plan "relies on a good Brexit deal".

"The UK is at a crossroads," she said. "[And] the no-deal turning ends in a very different place: a swamp that will slow the UK's every step for years to come." What else did Mr Johnson say in his speech? Image copyright PA Media

The PM also used the opportunity to criticise Parliament, saying it "refuses to deliver Brexit, refuses to do anything constructive and refuses to have an election".

He said: "I am afraid that after three and a half years people are beginning to feel that they are being taken for fools."

Mr Johnson said the Tories were "the party of the NHS" because of their belief in capitalism, adding: "We understand the vital symmetry at the heart of the modern British economy between a dynamic enterprise culture and great public services precisely because we are the party of capitalism."

He praised London as its former mayor, but pledged to "unlock talent in every corner of the UK", and ensure safety with his existing policies of 20,000 additional police officers and tackling county lines gangs.

And he repeated more policy announcements from the conference on infrastructure, education, law and order.

Mr Johnson concluded: "Let's get on with sensible moderate one nation but tax-cutting Tory government and, figuratively if not literally, let us send Jeremy Corbyn into orbit where he belongs.

"Let's get Brexit done [and] let's bring our country together."

Mr Johnson's conference speech clashed with Prime Minister's Questions.

Normally the Commons goes into recess for the Tory conference, but MPs voted against this amid the bitter fallout from the government's unlawful prorogation of Parliament.

Foreign Secretary Dominic Raab deputised for the prime minister, facing the shadow home secretary Diane Abbott over the despatch box.

He told MPs the government will present its written Brexit proposals to them later.

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What European countries are not in the EU? - Quora


Wikipedia Refs.

European Union

Member state of the European Union - a state must fulfill the economic and political requirements known as the Copenhagen criteria, which require a candidate to have a democratic, free-market government together with the corresponding freedoms and institutions, and respect for the rule of law.

Politics of the European Union - all members must respect the Copenhagen criteria of being democratic, respecting human rights and having a free market economy.

European Single Market - The [common market aka single market aka monopoly?] market encompasses the EU's 28 member states, and has been extended, with exceptions, to Iceland, Liechtenstein and Norway through the Agreement on the European Economic Area and to Switzerland through bilateral treaties.

European Union Customs Union - Some detached territories of EU members do not participate in the customs union, usually as a result of their geographic separation. [Re: a possibility for the Republic of Ireland and UK-Northern Ireland?]

European Economic Area - enables the extension of the European Union (EU)'s single market to non-EU member parties. The EEA links the EU member states and three European Free Trade Association (EFTA) states (Iceland, Liechtenstein, and Norway) into an internal market governed by the same basic rules.

European Free Trade Association - a regional trade organization and free trade area consisting of four European states: Iceland, Liechtenstein, Norway, and Switzerland. The organization operates in parallel with the European Union (EU), and all four member states participate in the European Single Market and are part of the Schengen Area. They are not, however, party to the European Union Customs Union.

European Union free trade agreements - The European Union has concluded free trade agreements (FTAs) and other agreements with a trade component with many countries worldwide and is negotiating with many others.

List of the largest trading partners of the European Union


Can democracy function without a free market economy, and vice versa? - researchgate.net

a democratic climate seems to favour a free market economy. At the same time, a free market economy appears to be reliant on democracy for its functioning. This reciprocal relationship presents an interesting research ground that has probably been explored in insufficient depth.

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European Union - the customs union involves the application of a common external tariff on all goods entering the market. [Note: Why is that like a non-issue in the U.S. media as compared to the contentious Globalist uproars about anti-Free Market "protectionists"/"isolationists"/"heretics" whenever there are any tariffs on imports here?]

Common external tariff - In addition to having the same customs duties, the countries may have other common trade policies, such as having the same quotas, preferences or other non-tariff trade regulations apply to all goods entering the area, regardless of which country, within the area, they are entering.

European Union Customs Union – unlike a free trade area, members of the customs union impose a common external tariff on all goods entering the union.

Free-trade area - the region encompassing a trade bloc whose member countries have signed a free trade agreement (FTA). Such agreements involve cooperation between at least two countries to reduce trade barriers, import quotas and tariffs, and to increase trade of goods and services with each other. ... It is important to note the difference between customs unions and free-trade areas. Both types of trading blocs are related to internal arrangements which parties conclude in order to liberalize and facilitate trade among themselves. The crucial difference between customs unions and free-trade areas is their approach to third parties. ... Unlike a customs union, parties to a free-trade area do not maintain common external tariffs, which means they apply different customs duties, as well as other policies with respect to non-members. ... While a customs union requires all parties to establish and maintain identical external tariffs with regard to trade with non-parties, parties to a free-trade area are not subject to such requirement. Instead, they may establish and maintain whatever tariff regime applying to imports from non-parties as deemed necessary. ... the term is now widely used to refer to agreements covering not only goods but also services and even investment. ... a party to a free-trade area has the incentive to use inputs originating in another party so that their products may qualify for originating status. ... Since there are hundreds of free-trade areas currently in force and being negotiated (about 800 according to ITC's Rules of Origin Facilitator, counting also non-reciprocal trade arrangements), it is important for businesses and policy-makers to keep track of their status. There are a number of depositories of free trade agreements available either at national, regional or international levels.

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European Union - the customs union involves the application of a common external tariff on all goods entering the market.

Once goods have been admitted into the market they cannot be subjected to customs duties, discriminatory taxes or import quotas, as they travel internally. The non-EU member states of Iceland, Norway, Liechtenstein and Switzerland participate in the single market but not in the customs union. ... No member state has yet left the Union, although Greenland (an autonomous province of Denmark) withdrew in 1985. Article 50 of the Lisbon Treaty provides the basis for a member to leave the Union. Since mid-2017, the United Kingdom has been negotiating terms for its withdrawal from the EU.


Greenland - has been politically and culturally associated with Europe (specifically Norway and Denmark, the colonial powers, as well as the nearby island of Iceland) for more than a millennium. ... To strengthen trading and power, Denmark–Norway affirmed sovereignty over the island. [Norway] lost sovereignty over Greenland in 1814 when the union was dissolved. Greenland became Danish in 1814, and was fully integrated in the Danish state in 1953 under the Constitution of Denmark. In 1973, Greenland joined the European Economic Community with Denmark. [EEC - an EU precursor] However, in a referendum in 1982, a majority of the population voted for Greenland to withdraw from the EEC, which was effected in 1985. [The EEC was renamed the European Community/EC when it was made a pillar of the European Union/EU that formed in 1993. The EC existed until it was abolished by the 2009 Treaty of Lisbon, which incorporated the EC's institutions into the EU's wider framework and provided that the EU would "replace and succeed the European Community".]


[EU formation history] European Economic Community [EEC (1957)] - also known as the Common Market [aka the Single Market] and sometimes referred to as the European Community [EC] even before it was officially renamed as such in 1993. ... six founding members: Belgium, France, Italy, Luxembourg, the Netherlands and West Germany. ... In 1951, the Treaty of Paris was signed, creating the European Coal and Steel Community (ECSC). This was an international community based on supranationalism and international law, designed to help the economy of Europe and prevent future war by integrating its members. In the aim of creating a federal Europe two further communities were proposed: a European Defence Community and a European Political Community. ... the proposed defense community was rejected by the French Parliament. ... The resulting communities were the European Economic Community (EEC) and the European Atomic Energy Community (EURATOM or sometimes EAEC). ... Upon the formation of the European Union (EU) in 1993, [the] EEC was renamed the European Community to reflect that it covered a wider range than economic policy. In 2009, the EC's institutions were absorbed into the EU's wider framework and the community ceased to exist. ...


So, while the US of A was focused on the Korean War and the Cold War Arms Race with the Soviets, a group of WWII Axis associates and their recently occupied regions in Europe were moving concertedly to control Europe's resources, economic production and n-power developments -- also: to sit in judgement of which nations in the "European Community" were sufficiently "democratic" and "Free Market" functioning to be admitted into their exclusive "Economic Club" or which should be obstructed from the EEC/EC/EU's marketplace like they're not to be considered "Free Europe". Even though the UK is still democratic and Free Market friendly, the EU has been insisting that it be impeded tradewise after Brexiting from their imperialist conglomerate.

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