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Title: Guests or gate-crashers Part II
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townhall.com
URL Source: http://www.townhall.com/opinion/col ... ssowell/2006/03/29/191639.html
Published: Mar 29, 2006
Author: Thomas Sowell
Post Date: 2006-03-29 18:38:40 by Peetie Wheatstraw
Keywords: immigration
Views: 331
Comments: 24
Bogus arguments are a tip-off that you wouldn't buy the real reasons for what someone is doing. Phony arguments and phony words are the norm in discussions of immigration policy. It starts with a refusal to call illegal aliens "illegal aliens" and ends with asking for "guest worker" status for people who are not guests but gate crashers. As for the substantive arguments, they are as phony as the verbal evasions. What about all those illegal workers that we "need"? Many of the illegals are working in agriculture, producing crops that have been in chronic surplus for decades. These surplus crops are costing the American taxpayers billions of dollars in government storage costs and in the inflated prices created by deliberately keeping much of this agricultural output off the market. Do we "need" illegal workers to produce bigger surpluses? In California, surplus crops grown and harvested by illegal immigrants are often also subsidized by federal water projects which charge the farmers in dry California valleys far less than the cost to the government of providing that water -- and a fraction of what people in Los Angeles or San Francisco pay for the same amount of water. Surplus crops grown with water supplied at the taxpayers' expense and raised by illegal workers can be grown elsewhere with water provided free of charge from the clouds and raised by American workers paid American wages. Naturally, when the real costs of those crops have to be paid by the farmers who raise them, less will be grown -- that is, there will not be as much of a surplus going to waste in government-rented storage bins. With some crops, we don't really "need" any of it. If the United States had not produced a single grain of sugar in the past 50 years, Americans could have gotten all the sugar they wanted and at lower prices, simply by buying it on the world market for half or less of what domestic sugar costs. Sugar has been in chronic surplus on the world market for generations. It can be grown in the tropics far cheaper than it can be grown in the United States. All the land, labor, and capital that has been spent growing sugar here has been one huge waste. We don't "need" to grow sugar, with or without illegal workers. Many people are understandably sympathetic toward Mexican workers who come across the border illegally, not only because of the poverty which drives them from their homelands but also because their willingness to work makes them in demand. When you see beggars on the street, they are usually white or black, but almost never Mexican. But American immigration laws and policies are not about whether you like or don't like Mexicans, though some demagogues try to play the race card. For too long, we have bought the argument that being unfortunate entitles you to break the law. The consequence has been disastrous, whether the people allowed to get away with breaking the law are Americans or foreigners. Legalizing illegal actions is the easy way out, so it is hardly surprising that politicians go for that. One of the ways of legalizing illegal acts is by the automatic conferring of American citizenship on babies born to illegal aliens in the United States. The law that made all people born here American citizens made sense when people crossed an ocean and made a commitment to become Americans. Today, it is just another way of essentially legalizing illegal acts by making it harder to deport those who broke the law. One of the most bogus of all the bogus arguments for a "guest worker" program is that it is impossible to find all the millions of illegal aliens in the country, so it is impossible to deport them. If tomorrow someone came up with some brilliant way to identify every illegal alien in the country, it would not make the slightest difference. Right now, those who are identified as illegal, whether at the border, in prisons, at traffic stops or in any of our institutions, face no penalty whatsoever. Identification is not the problem. Doing nothing is the problem.
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#2. To: Peetie Wheatstraw (#0)
Looks like they couldve rounded up a large percentage in California now doesnt it?? This issue is IMO the most destructive to this country.. soon we'll all be fleeing to Mexico to escape ..all the mestizos will be in the US.
What gets me is the official complicity in these "demonstrations"---kids being let out of school and even bussed to the demonstrations, etc. And then, traitors and sell-outs like McCain use those demonstrations as a rationale for the amnesty legislation they're shoving through Congress. It reminds me of nothing so much as the "demonstrations" of "workers" in Moscow in the 1930's chanting "Death!" while the show trials of Stalin's party rivals were going on. (Sorry, I see parallels with Stalin's Russia in so many things going on these days.)
.. IMO they're traitors.. in every sense of the word. Using our money to torture us with.. I'm more than disgusted.. You know I've thought of that many times.. Russia in 1917.. and wondered if the Russian people had known if they wouldve escaped.. and Germany 1939. What will it take for us to turn our backs and leave.. when is it time?
I've thought about this alot myself. On one hand I just want to thorw my hands up and look into going back to where my Grandparents came from. I have one friend, who along with some other cohorts, are looking at moving to Bulgaria. But on the other hand, people did flee from 1917 Russia and 1939 Germany. They went to the Czech Republic, Poland, France, and Norway. Yet their troubles followed them over and over. There comes a time when running isn't an option. Yeah I could move back to the Ukraine, and then have the Government overthrown by another US finacned "orange revoltion" or some other crap that would make everyone's lives miserable. With everything on the US hit list for "liberation" we are quickly running out of places to run to.
With everything on the US hit list for "liberation" we are quickly running out of places to run to. Ive thought about that too.. nowhere to run nowhere to hide.. Wanna pool money and buy an island??
NOW we're talking! I'm in if I have exclusive rights to all hot sauce production and sales on said island.
Hey no problem.. the hotter the better ;) Now what are we are we gonna name our island??
This one already has a great name, and it's cheap, to boot! Crank up the fundraiser...someone on another thread sold a bunch of silver today at a fat profit...let's hit him up for the down payment!
Is this a kick-ass island, or what? It's zoned commerical, so I can lay claim to the hot sauce emporium that Zipporah said I could have. Best of all, it's got to be AT LEAST 12,000 miles from Washington, D.C.! Only a paltry half-million...
A steal!
A steal, indeed...and thanks to 'timetobuildaboat', we have transportation!
#21. To: who knows what evil (#20)
It must have poison ivy or somethin'!
Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/LatestOne of the most bogus of all the bogus arguments for a "guest worker" program is that it is impossible to find all the millions of illegal aliens in the country, so it is impossible to deport them.
#4. To: Zipporah (#2)
Looks like they couldve rounded up a large percentage in California now doesnt it?? This issue is IMO the most destructive to this country.. soon we'll all be fleeing to Mexico to escape ..all the mestizos will be in the US.
#5. To: Peetie Wheatstraw (#4)
What gets me is the official complicity in these "demonstrations"---kids being let out of school and even bussed to the demonstrations, etc. And then, traitors and sell-outs like McCain use those demonstrations as a rationale for the amnesty legislation they're shoving through Congress. It reminds me of nothing so much as the "demonstrations" of "workers" in Moscow in the 1930's chanting "Death!" while the show trials of Stalin's party rivals were going on. (Sorry, I see parallels with Stalin's Russia in so many things going on these days.)
#9. To: Zipporah (#5)
You know I've thought of that many times.. Russia in 1917.. and wondered if the Russian people had known if they wouldve escaped.. and Germany 1939. What will it take for us to turn our backs and leave.. when is it time?
#11. To: Pissed Off Janitor (#9)
But on the other hand, people did flee from 1917 Russia and 1939 Germany. They went to the Czech Republic, Poland, France, and Norway. Yet their troubles followed them over and over. There comes a time when running isn't an option. Yeah I could move back to the Ukraine, and then have the Government overthrown by another US finacned "orange revoltion" or some other crap that would make everyone's lives miserable.
#14. To: Zipporah (#11)
Wanna pool money and buy an island??
#15. To: who knows what evil (#14)
NOW we're talking! I'm in if I have exclusive rights to all hot sauce production and sales on said island.
#16. To: Zipporah, christine, robin, Peetie Wheatstraw (#15)
Now what are we are we gonna name our island??
#17. To: who knows what evil (#16)
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#18. To: robin (#17)
#19. To: who knows what evil, timetobuildaboat (#18)
Best of all, it's got to be AT LEAST 12,000 miles from Washington, D.C.! Only a paltry half-million...
#20. To: robin (#19)
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