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Title: WINTERWATCH: Lunar Lunacy: Disappearing Moon Rocks, Contradictory Mineral Data, Missing Apollo Film and Destroyed Mission Technology
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URL Source: https://www.winterwatch.net/2019/07 ... -destroyed-mission-technology/
Published: Nov 15, 2019
Author: Winter
Post Date: 2019-11-15 11:28:10 by NeoconsNailed
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Views: 1293
Comments: 37

‘No man has a good enough memory to be a successful liar.’ –– Abraham Lincoln

In 2013, China set an unmanned rover on the moon. It was equipped with an alpha-particle X-ray spectrometer that was used to analyze moon rocks and soil, and the data was transmitted back to Earth. The rover operated for three months and explored an area of about 3 square kilometers, or a maximum range of six miles from the landing site.

The data was comprised of chemical composition analysis of rock material elements. Most curiously, this data differed dramatically from the samples collected during the Apollo missions. The location on the moon of the Apollo landings are shown as numbers in the photo below, and Chinese rover’s site is marked with an arrow.

Although Apollo sites span a wide area of the Moon, the alleged chemical results were relatively similar. However, the Chinese samples are VASTLY different- Correlated compositional and mineralogical investigations at the Chang′e-3 landing site. The report states,”These compositional features suggest that the CE-3 soils differ significantly from other known lunar basaltic materials.”

Jarrah White calculates these elements as described in the video below starting at 21:36.

Are we even talking about the same Moon?

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Are such extreme outlier results likely to be found on the Moon? The Department of Planetary and Earth Sciences at Washington University, St. Louis, says no:

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The late Dave McGowan added some pertinent color on the topic of the moon rocks gathered during the Apollo missions. For starters, the transmission data NASA used to base its reports is “missing.”

As Reuters reported (per McGowan) on Aug. 15, 2006:

The U.S. government has misplaced the original recording of the first moon landing, including astronaut Neil Armstrong’s famous “one small step for man, one giant leap for mankind” …

Armstrong’s famous moonwalk, seen by millions of viewers on July 20, 1969, is among transmissions that NASA has failed to turn up in a year of searching, spokesman Grey Hautaluoma said.

“We haven’t seen them for quite a while. We’ve been looking for over a year, and they haven’t turned up,” Hautaluoma said …

In all, some 700 boxes of transmissions from the Apollo lunar missions are missing.

The fact that the tapes are missing (and according to NASA, now have been for over four decades), amazingly enough, was not even the most compelling information that the Reuters article provided. There was also an explanation of how the alleged Moonwalk tapes that we all know and love were created:.....

www.winterwatch.net/2019/...lunacy-disappearing-moon- rocks-contradictory-data-missing-apollo-film-reels-and-destroyed-mission- technology/">Click for Full Text!


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This is a rich rich RICH treatment of the subject. it got a lot of comments, showing lotta people found it of interest. One from 'horsegirl':

Can’t resist posting McGowan’s blitz of the lunar module:

http://memoryholeblog.org/2015/05/26/dave-mcgowan-battling-aggressive- cancer/

“There was much about the Apollo flights that was truly miraculous, but arguably the greatest technological achievement was the design of the lunar modules. Has anyone, by the way, ever really taken a good look at one of those contraptions? I mean a detailed, up-close look? I’m guessing that the vast majority of people have not, but luckily we can quickly remedy that situation because I happen to have some really good, high-resolution images that come directly from the good people at NASA.

While what is depicted in the images may initially appear, to the untrained eye, to be some kind of mock-up that someone cobbled together in their backyard to make fun of NASA, I can assure you that it is actually an extremely high-tech manned spacecraft capable of landing on the surface of the Moon. And incredibly enough, it was also capable of blasting off from the Moon and flying 69 miles back up into lunar orbit! Though not immediately apparent, it is actually a two-stage craft, the lower half (the part that looks like a tubular aluminum framework covered with Mylar and old Christmas wrapping paper) being the descent stage, and the upper half (the part that looks as though it was cobbled together from old air conditioning ductwork and is primarily held together, as can be seen in the close-up, with zippers and gold tape) being the ascent stage.

The upper half, of course, is the more sophisticated portion, being capable of lifting off and flying with enough power to break free of the Moon’s gravity and reach lunar orbit. It also, of course, possessed sophisticated enough navigational capabilities for it to locate, literally out in the middle of fucking nowhere, the command module that it had to dock with in order to get the astronauts safely back to Earth. It also had to catch that command module, which was orbiting the Moon at a leisurely 4,000 miles per hour.

But we’ll get to all that a little later. I think we can all agree for now that such a sleek, stylish, well-designed craft would have no problem flying with that kind of power, precision and stability.”

Doesn't mention the cardboard the upper portion is clearly made of. He's right about the gold-colored Christmas wrapping, tho -- you know it's old because it's so crumpled.

Above all, the idea NASA would or could lose all that documentation on humyinity's supposed greatest achievement is too ludicrous for words! And the living astronaut who says they DESTROYED it? Where fakery leaves off, crime picks up. It's either fraud or wanton destruction of property.

Keenly interesting that the Dutch called ameriKa's bluff at the time of the moon walks, no?

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#1. To: NeoconsNailed (#0)

I've considered a number of arguments that the landings were faked, but have not found any to be compelling. But if they were faked, it will be discovered in due time as modern efforts by multiple nations to go to the moon are made and the landing sites are found to be empty.

Unfortunately, even the Hubble telescope, though strong enough to see galaxies billions of light years distant, is not strong enough to view the moon landing sites. They are simply too small, even for the relatively short distance to the moon, for the Hubble to make out.

Lunar orbiting craft have photoed the sites but as they are all NASA craft, the photos obviously can't be considered impartially sourced.

Pinguinite  posted on  2019-11-15   11:38:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Pinguinite (#1)

We've been here before, Ping -- it's an article of religion to you that they actually did it :-3

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NeoconsNailed  posted on  2019-11-15   11:42:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: NeoconsNailed (#2)

Ping -- it's an article of religion to you that they actually did it :-3

No, I assure you it is not. The arguments about stars missing, exhaust craters missing, the van allen belt and so on are all addressed, at least to my satisfaction. I'm not married to the idea that we really went. I just see no credible challenge to the idea that we did. At least not yet.

Pinguinite  posted on  2019-11-15   13:44:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Pinguinite (#3)

I'm not married to the idea that we really went

I got the distinct impression you were, and would be seriously downcast if it was ever proved otherwise to you.... How much of a chance have you given these exposés? There are hours of professional documentary demonstrating the impossibility. Why are astronots talking about going to the moon as if Apollo never happened? (Which it didn't.)

NASA ADMITS WE NEVER WENT TO THE MOON

www.youtube.com/watch? time_continue=518&v=DpPMoIv1lxI&feature=emb_title

I guess I'll get more shunning from this, because -- I can only speculate -- driving a point home "too hard" is considered impolite.

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NeoconsNailed  posted on  2019-11-15   14:18:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: NeoconsNailed (#4)

I guess I'll get more shunning from this, because -- I can only speculate -- driving a point home "too hard" is considered impolite.

I won't shun you at all, whatever the truth is. I'm not a witness to our going, course, as I wasn't there.

But I will say that in your case NN -- and I mean no offense whatsoever -- our discussions of science matters in the past have given me the impression that science is not really your area of expertise. That's okay. I have my weak areas as well which I'm sure you are areas in which you could teach me. As is though, just as I would yield to your expertise on whatever subject you have mastered, I would tend not to do so in areas in which I score higher.

As for the astronauts talk from which it is infered we never went, the clips I've seen are these 26 year old cadets who are talking to laymen about the hazards of the Van Allen belts and my 2 takeaways are 1) these guys are either just expressing the hazard related to the belt in part to impress the audience about the hazards of space travel because that makes discussion more interesting. And 2) The implication that NASA would fake the moon landings only to inform these low level cadets that it was fake and THEN turn them loose to talk to the public would be pretty bad PR management. If the landings were faked, it would still be a massive secret today such that NASA would never be sending out emails to all their low level employees that it was so.

So.... no, I discount that. These cadets are just speaking to impress their audience, and what they say is taken out of context, I think intentionally.

Pinguinite  posted on  2019-11-15   17:13:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: NeoconsNailed (#0)

My grand father was air force. Flying tiger drafted from the army air corps. Long career. Drafted into the Apollo program. Tested dropping the capsules in Oceans.

They always sank.

He was a tight lipped son of a gun though.. with low opinions on humanity and gullibility.

We never went to the moon but we damn sure made a lot of people believe that.

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titorite  posted on  2019-11-15   18:29:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Pinguinite, NeoconsNailed (#5)

One thing we seldom hear about the Apollo 11 mission is the "lunar laser ranging retroreflector array." Apollo 11 astronauts Buzz Aldrin and Neil Armstrong put it there on July 21, 1969, about an hour before the end of their final moonwalk. Thirty-five years later, it's the only Apollo science experiment still running.

There is an observatory in west Texas that shoots lasers at the mirror array. The guys that run that observatory say, "No one ever comes here to visit us."

One thing they have discovered is the moon is moving slowly away from the Earth. It may one day spin off into space. But what would that do to the tides and the seas?

More info for you to peruse. ;)

www.space.com/3373-earth-...estined-disintegrate.html

"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke

BTP Holdings  posted on  2019-11-15   18:39:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: titorite (#6) (Edited)

My grand father was air force. Flying tiger drafted from the army air corps. Long career. Drafted into the Apollo program. Tested dropping the capsules in Oceans.

They always sank.

He was a tight lipped son of a gun though.. with low opinions on humanity and gullibility.

We never went to the moon but we damn sure made a lot of people believe that.

freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/re...i? ArtNum=230129&Disp=7#C7

"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke

BTP Holdings  posted on  2019-11-15   18:42:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: BTP Holdings (#7)

There is an observatory in west Texas that shoots lasers at the mirror array. The guys that run that observatory say, "No one ever comes here to visit us."

Yes, there's that too.

One thing they have discovered is the moon is moving slowly away from the Earth. It may one day spin off into space. But what would that do to the tides and the seas?

Yes, that's the official word. The energy to push it away comes from the earth spinning faster than the moon is orbiting. The moon pulls on the oceans causing the tides, but the oceans also pull on the moon. The perpetual bulge of water pushed ahead of the moon's effect by earth's spin means the moon slowly accelerates into higher orbit.

But the sun will swell to a red giant expanding even beyond earth's current orbit. It would mean the earth gets swallowed up by the sun except that the swelling of the sun means earth's orbit will expand, sparing it from that fate. Earth will get roasted however.

At least that's what they say. If humans survive, it's possible tech will advance to the point where earth could be saved by human intervention. Assuming it's worth saving at that point. Assuming humanity itself is worth saving, I guess.

Pinguinite  posted on  2019-11-15   19:03:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: titorite (#6) (Edited)

My grand father was air force. Flying tiger drafted from the army air corps. Long career.

That was an elite program to be sure. Actively fighting the Japanese on behalf of the Chinese before the US entered the war. They learned everything about the P-40 down to an art, able to exploit every advantage it had. Little doubt, I think that the Flying Tigers made the best use of the P-40 that was possible, more than any other P-40 squadron.

Drafted into the Apollo program. Tested dropping the capsules in Oceans. They always sank.

Well, the point of testing is to see if they float or sink. If it was known for certain they'd float, there'd be little point in doing the test.

We never went to the moon but we damn sure made a lot of people believe that.

It is one thing that will be known for certain in due time, either way. The landing sites are in full view of earth, and hostile countries like Russia and China would not hesitate to embarrass the USA by exposing such a lie.

Pinguinite  posted on  2019-11-15   19:08:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Pinguinite (#10)

The landing sites are in full view of earth

And these days we can record the transits of the iss and view the insides of any crater we want. The advancements of technology has been great. We can see the dates on a dime from space and all that jazz, we send drones to edge of our atmosphere for youtube views.... but damn.. where are those appollo sites again? Because nobody seems to be able to show them off.

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titorite  posted on  2019-11-15   19:13:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Pinguinite (#10)

Also the lie serves them other countries as well. Population control via propaganda is a hell of a thing, resist all negative propaganda

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titorite  posted on  2019-11-15   19:15:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: titorite, 4 (#6)

interesting story about how the early astronauts were selected ~

www.fastcompany.com/90357...s-have-walked-on-the-moon

“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken

Lod  posted on  2019-11-15   19:27:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: Lod (#13) (Edited)

Their is the edge of space , where we ride, the ISS and orbital insertion of satillites.... and then past the van Allen in between the earth and moon their is space.

The most qualified ppl were those that could keep their mouths shut the best.

Grand pa knew the men in the program. He was not selected to be part of it past his compatimalized part in the role . He was part of the other stuff that never worked but showed how great our effort was.

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titorite  posted on  2019-11-15   19:32:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: Pinguinite, NeoconsNailed (#10)

I found this interesting information.

scied.ucar.edu/shortcontent/thermosphere-overview

The space shuttle and the International Space Station both orbit Earth within the thermosphere!

NN that video link you posted says the Thermosphere can reach temps of 2,000 Celsius. What do you say at now? ;)

"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke

BTP Holdings  posted on  2019-11-15   20:03:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: titorite (#11)

but damn.. where are those appollo sites again? Because nobody seems to be able to show them off.

Lunar orbiters have photoed them, but even the Hubble is not strong enough to photo them from earth.

At least that's the claim. Obviously when NASA is on trial for fraud, no photos they claim to have taken can be considered reliable. But other countries are going there now so the truth will come out.

Pinguinite  posted on  2019-11-15   20:14:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: BTP Holdings (#15)

NN that video link you posted says the Thermosphere can reach temps of 2,000 Celsius. What do you say at now? ;)

I seriously question how they come up with that temperature.

No object of any type manmade or natural, can orbit a planet by passing through it's atmosphere. The aerodynamic drag on the object would slow its speed causing it to fall to the planet surface.

Now there are extremely faint traces of atmosphere at extreme orbiting altitudes and these do microscopically slow satellites. The sun's so-called solar wind, constantly drags off tiny amounts of our atmosphere into space (The earth's mag field protects most of it) and satellites do pass through that. But it is only tiny traces of it.

So how do they come up with these extreme temps at that altitude where there is almost zero gasses present to preserve heat?

Pinguinite  posted on  2019-11-15   20:23:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Pinguinite (#16) (Edited)

Lunar orbiters have photoed them, but even the Hubble is not strong enough to photo them from earth.

At least that's the claim. Obviously when NASA is on trial for fraud, no photos they claim to have taken can be considered reliable. But other countries are going there now so the truth will come out.

Well, as you must know..... you're no dummie.

You know the hubble is designed for a differnt focus. It ain't for lunar observation anymore than it is for looking at dates on dimes. We both know that. Deep space and near space at the same. We know that.

As for all the new photos... bruh. I live in the world of deep fakes... I used to take pride in always being able to spot cgi... until the day I couldn't any longer.

I trust math and what I can see in front of my face more than tv or anything on this screen.

How ever ... what gets to me.. I find laughable is what some nations do in terms of practical effects vrs cgi....

He'll even the ISS footage can be seen with many altered reality cgi bs and I get that. If we have a big ass space station up there , it would be pretty fucking foolish to show off the insides to every enemy nation on the planet.

We know that it is real because we can view the transits ourselves with our own equipment...but the inside stuff seems very off. And I would not want them to be giving away state secrets of low earth orbit anyways.

But when it comes to the moon stuff.

We don't need luna orbiters. We just need to be able to see it with our own equipment. Our technology can see though walls and make A.I. that quells the stupid. We are in that point. We could see it for ourselves if it was there....

But then again.... when we see shit on the moon we get : random reverse gravity, direct solar radiation expanding nothing, the same ascent modal that almost always had the same exact gold tape in the same exact places until the prop wore out.... listen buddy it doesn't take a rocket scientist to see that the tape and dents were always in the same places.

I'm not sure if I am preaching or not . Forgive me if I am... but between family and what I've been shown in screen and math.... honestly I don't understand why more folks don't get it.... then I remember... I'm so special, oh russell you so smart blah blah blah, its been said to me so much in life... I had to come with terms to it.. it's fucking true but that don't mean I like it, and so what... it was a bad hoax holy fuck, they never thought anyone would record it on Beta max? Imbeciles. But you know .. it's what evere... it's the world I live in

One where the nasa engineer says we had the technology once but we lost it because we destroyed it... yeah pro logic there.

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titorite  posted on  2019-11-15   21:16:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: Pinguinite (#5)

"not really your area of expertise" -- well gee, I guess I'd better stop commenting on anything but music! All you who aren't politicians or poli sci profs, better forget the political links :-s

"out of context" -- the mass media's very favorite dodge. Here are NASA PERSONNEL and astronauts puncturing the moon walk and that's not good enough? What are they, crazy? Your rationale on that holds zero water, Ping.

PR management isn't a problem for the media-govt complex. It's confident in the knowledge that the sheeple follow them dumbly anywhere, believing and forgetting whatever their institutional masters want them to. "If they believe the Holotoast, they're our puppies" -- that's their MO.

Look at the income tax. It's a total fraud, everybody knew it was at one time, but people now regard it as their patriotic privilege to pay it -- and have for over 60 years. The masses are asses and the bigger the lie the more they're in love with it.

Then there's 9/11 and the War Of Terror. A tissue of lies since that fateful day in 2001, people still believe 'em more than the Bible. Heard this Orwellian song on the radio the other day:

www.youtube.com/watch? v=5PXSK3iDeAI

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USA! USA! USA! Bringing you democracy, or else! there were strains of VD that were incurable, and they were first found in the Philippines and then transmitted to the Korean working girls via US military. The 'incurables' we were told were first taken back to a military hospital in the Philippines to quietly die. – 4um

NeoconsNailed  posted on  2019-11-15   22:09:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: BTP Holdings (#15)

I say why are those NASA people saying we've never gone to the moon? Why was their 1st tin can made partly from gold Christmas wrapping? Why have all the astronuts refused to swear on the Bible they went to the moon? How did they manage such perfect, long-focus photography wearing cameras on their bellies with no view finders? ;)

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NeoconsNailed  posted on  2019-11-15   22:21:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: BTP Holdings (#7)

We did cover that -- there's zero proof it's up there.

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NeoconsNailed  posted on  2019-11-15   22:33:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: titorite (#6)

Priceless, titorite -- thank you. Sure wish I could have met him!

I wonder how rescue craft (not to mention Nixon and a TV news crew) managed to instantly rush to the side of the returned module, smack-dab in the middle of the Pacific Ocean. Mebbe they're angels who can teleport objects!

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NeoconsNailed  posted on  2019-11-15   22:41:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: titorite (#18)

One where the nasa engineer says we had the technology once but we lost it because we destroyed it... yeah pro logic there.

Well, by the time of Apollo 17, the drama of going to the moon wore off in the public eye, which is the reason the program was shut down.

Certainly all the tech that was available 50 years ago would all be obsolete now, and after so much time, things just get pushed aside. In returning to the moon, they would hardly be digging up 50 year old NASA tech and looking to improve it. Rather they would start over from scratch with all the new materials, chemicals and electronics (i.e. calculators) that are available today.

And over 50 years at NASA they would have seen a complete turnover of personnel several times over for the bulk of their employees. New guys come in and take over for the old guys and have no first hand knowledge of what some old, archival stuff is for and do that a few times and yes, at some point, they decide to have a yard sale.

As I said, I'm no witness to the moon landings occurring. My position is thaht I've considered some arguments that they were fake and have concluded that those arguments failed to make the case. That doesn't mean it happened though.

But maybe you're right. As I said, the truth on the moon landing should be made clear either way in due time.

Pinguinite  posted on  2019-11-15   23:26:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: NeoconsNailed (#20)

I say why are those NASA people saying we've never gone to the moon?

One quote by an astronaut about that where he said that was in answering a young girl asking why we haven't been to the moon -- in such a long time. For me, that was a case of a portion of his answer being unfairly taken out of context.

Why have all the astronuts refused to swear on the Bible they went to the moon?

It's reasonable that putting such a challenge to them would be an accusation in of itself. Kind of like someone asking a man to drop his drawers to prove he hasn't had a sex change op. I mean .... really, if you approach an honest man with an indicting, loaded question about something that inherently accused him of fraud, he's not going to like it and less likely to cooperate. And it's not like anyone making the swear on a bible demand is going to accept the testimony anyway.

How did they manage such perfect, long-focus photography wearing cameras on their bellies with no view finders? ;)

First I heard of that claim. The Apollo footage I've seen has been pretty crappy by todays' standards, as should be expected.

Pinguinite  posted on  2019-11-15   23:34:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: titorite (#18)

foolish to show off the insides to every enemy nation on the planet.

Right now the U.S. must buy a seat from the Russians on Soyuz to get to the space station. NASA no longer possesses the technology to blast off moon rockets. That was the Saturn V. What they did was strap together 5 of the German V-2 rockets. Wernher von Braun was that rocket scientist. ;)

"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke

BTP Holdings  posted on  2019-11-16   8:58:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: NeoconsNailed (#21)

there's zero proof it's up there.

Anyone can post anything online. But do you think NASA does this to keep up some sort of fraud upon the public? ;)

science.nasa.gov/science-...e-at-nasa/2004/21jul_llr/

"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke

BTP Holdings  posted on  2019-11-16   14:03:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: BTP Holdings, HAPPY2BME-4UM, All (#26)

Anyone can post anything online.

Sure -- does that mean we can't trust any of it?

Yes NASA does this to keep up a fraud on the public. WOULD THIS GOVT EVER LIE TO US? :-D

The supposed moon walks were in the middle of the Cold War, DC was straining every nerve to show the USSR and the world we were the greatest show on earth. The moon walk has been universally hailed as humynity's greatest achievement evah evah evah, the all-time crowning act that anybody striving for excellence shout bow down to 1st thing every morning.

Now as ameriKa falls from power and glory, how would it look for NASA or Lemon Man to announce we never went to the moon?

You must remember, dear people, that many of the 'elites' in every land are members of the freemason gangs. I'm constantly shocked at the historic figures we see flaunting the 'hidden hand' symbol. Their first loyalty is to their "Brother Masons" -- non-members are viewed as 2nd- to 3rd-class citizens.

For these divine ones, keeping a secret FROM US is noooooo problem.

It's so simple for them -- you know, like murdering a major TV news star? ;)

www.youtube.com/watch? v=xehBS2_S47U&feature=emb_title

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NeoconsNailed  posted on  2019-11-17   0:45:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: NeoconsNailed (#4)

NASA ADMITS WE NEVER WENT TO THE MOON

But then there was Apollo 13. ;)

en.wikipedia.org /wiki/Houston,_we_have_a_problem

"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke

BTP Holdings  posted on  2019-11-17   9:42:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: BTP Holdings (#28)

Haw, haw, that NASA team would have made good used car salesmen >;)

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollo_ 13

Apollo 13 was the seventh crewed mission in the Apollo space program and the third meant to land on the Moon. The craft was launched from Kennedy Space Center (KSC) on April 11, 1970, but the lunar landing was aborted after an oxygen tank in the service module (SM) failed two days into the mission. The crew instead looped around the Moon, and returned safely to Earth on April 17, 1970. The mission was commanded by Jim Lovell with Jack Swigert as command module pilot (CMP) and Fred Haise as lunar module pilot (LMP). Swigert was a late replacement for the original CMP Ken Mattingly, who was grounded after exposure to rubella.

The oxygen tank failure was caused by accidental ignition of damaged wire insulation inside it during a routine tank stirring operation. The SM soon lost all its oxygen, needed for breathing and for generating electrical power. Command module (CM) power had to be shut down to conserve its remaining resources for reentry, forcing the crew to transfer to the lunar module (LM) as a lifeboat. With the lunar landing cancelled, mission controllers worked feverishly to bring the crew home alive.

Although the LM was designed to support two men on the lunar surface for two days, Mission Control in Houston improvised new procedures so it could support three men for four days. The crew experienced great hardship caused by limited power, a chilly and wet cabin and a shortage of potable water. There was a critical need to adapt the CM's cartridges for the carbon dioxide removal system to work in the LM; the crew and mission controllers were successful in improvising a solution. The astronauts' peril sparked renewed interest in the Apollo program, with tens of millions watching the splashdown in the South Pacific Ocean by television.

You're educating me here. Since I've never followed space junk I wasn't aware of any of that. Macabre fun -- speshly if it had actually happened!

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NeoconsNailed  posted on  2019-11-17   9:54:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: NeoconsNailed (#27)

The supposed moon walks were in the middle of the Cold War, DC was straining every nerve to show the USSR and the world we were the greatest show on earth.

Yes and remember, JFK said, "We choose to go to the moon." ;)

"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke

BTP Holdings  posted on  2019-11-17   13:16:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: BTP Holdings (#30)

Sweating bullets as he did. One of these documentaries shows what hell the space program was on the prexies and their pals -- the push to constantly outdo themselves and the Russkies, the setting of impossible but dazzling timetables etc. ;)

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NeoconsNailed  posted on  2019-11-17   17:30:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: NeoconsNailed (#31)

impossible but dazzling timetables

Wasn't it Apollo 1 that had a flash fire because of an electrical short and the three astronauts were burned alive inside the capsule? The interior had 100% oxygen which contributed to the fire. After that the air inside the capsule was diluted with Nitrogen. ;)

"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke

BTP Holdings  posted on  2019-11-17   19:34:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: BTP Holdings (#32)

Very sharp as usual, B. What a horrible night. I remember the crudely-typed cards thrust before the NBC-TV camera in special bulletins during the late- nite fare I was watching -- 1st one dead, then 2, then 3.

This was not an accident.....

themillenniumreport.com/2019/08/why-was-astronaut-gus- grissom-really- murdered-via-the-apollo-1-arson-fire/

The capsule sunk to the bottom of the ocean and wasn’t recovered for another 38 years. Grissom received a significant amount of flak from the public and from the aerospace community for losing the capsule. Though it was later proven that the hatch released to no fault of his own. In 1966, he and his family were moved to a safe house and kept under watch by the Secret Service. How's that for gratitude, huh? Risking his life on an early space launch for the glory of THESE people -- why'd he ever bother again?

But there's worse -- so much worse:

Within the first few hours, it became clear that there were numerous issues with the module. The crew reported a foul smell coming from their breathing oxygen system as well as issues with their communication system. Grissom was notably aggravated with the technical difficulties and was recorded as saying, “How are we going to get to the moon if we can’t talk between two or three buildings?” and calling the module a “bucket full of screws.”

But Grissom had also shown frustrations with the program leading up to that day, having purportedly told his wife, Betty, that if there were ever a serious accident in the space program it would likely involve him. He was also said to have grabbed a lemon from a tree on his property before heading to base and tying it to the hatch of the simulator. When he was asked by the media what he thought the chances were of the Apollo missions succeeding, he replied that he thought they were slim.

The gory details follow that in the article. "a spark from under Grissom’s seat ignited a fire that quickly engulfed the entire capsule" -- gee, think of THAT.

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NeoconsNailed  posted on  2019-11-18   0:55:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: NeoconsNailed (#33)

Very sharp as usual, B.

I am very lucky to recall these things from the past because of the meningitis. It really wiped out a lot. ;)

"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke

BTP Holdings  posted on  2019-11-18   6:06:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: BTP Holdings, HAPPY2BME-4UM, All (#34)

We are very lucky you do too, B!

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NeoconsNailed  posted on  2019-11-18   8:52:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: All (#29)

Oh, no -- another whole page I've gotta process? It doesn't deal with the silly gold foil per se, but get the closeup of it in the pic just past halfway down the page: is that or is that not DUCT TAPE?

theunredacted.com/moon-landings-the-apollo-hoax/

The other laffable details are obvious.

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USA! USA! USA! Bringing you democracy, or else! there were strains of VD that were incurable, and they were first found in the Philippines and then transmitted to the Korean working girls via US military. The 'incurables' we were told were first taken back to a military hospital in the Philippines to quietly die. – 4um

NeoconsNailed  posted on  2019-11-18   14:02:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: All (#36)

Unz! 'Sterling Harwood on Moon Landing Controversy' -- some discussion of Kubrick

www.unz.com/audio/kbarret...moon-landing- controversy/

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NeoconsNailed  posted on  2021-05-04   16:46:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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