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Title: Myths vs. facts
Source: Yahoo! News
URL Source: http://news.yahoo.com/s/usatoday/20060330/cm_usatoday/mythsvsfacts
Published: Mar 30, 2006
Author: Tom Tancredo
Post Date: 2006-03-30 14:16:02 by Peetie Wheatstraw
Keywords: None
Views: 153
Comments: 8

It has been said that if you tell a lie 1,000 times in politics, it becomes truth. Before we reach that threshold, there are two myths that must be dispelled about the House's bipartisan immigration reform bill:

• The first myth is that the House bill would make criminals out of priests who run homeless shelters and soup kitchens.

The bill would not substantially change decades of law with respect to religious organizations. From 1986 until this year, no organization was allowed to conceal, harbor or shield an alien from law enforcement "in reckless disregard of the fact" that the alien is in this country illegally. During those two decades, no church was shut down for providing basic social services to illegal aliens. Regardless, I think congressional leaders would be open to language that reaffirms current practice and clarifies the bill's intent.

But beyond soup and shelter, why should religious organizations be exempt from a law against actively concealing illegal aliens from law enforcement? It's no secret that there are terrorist front organizations in the USA, and that these front organizations most often claim to be relief charities or religious groups. Just one example is the Holy Land Foundation, whose headquarters was only miles from our nation's capital and which was shut down for supporting Hamas and other terrorist-related organizations.

• A second myth is that House Republicans want to make illegal presence in the USA a felony.

The truth is Democrats voted for the felony provision, and a majority of Republicans (including me) voted against it.

Right now, illegal presence in the USA is not a crime; it is a civil infraction. The House Judiciary Committee voted to make it a felony but then was counseled that millions of new felons could clog our courts.

Chairman James Sensenbrenner, R-Wis., wrote an amendment to his own bill asking that the penalty be reduced from a felony to a misdemeanor; 191 Democrats and a few Republicans voted to keep the felony penalty in the hope that it would be a poison pill to defeat the measure. After his amendment lost, Sensenbrenner promised, "When this bill gets to (House-Senate) conference, those penalties will be made workable. You can count on that."

The truth? The House bill would construct a security fence along our southern border, require federal and local law enforcement to cooperate on immigration matters, and mandate that employers use an instant check system to verify their employees' legal status. Unlike the Senate bill, our version would offer no amnesty and would not add foreign workers to our already overwhelmed background-check system.

Polls released last week show that nearly two-thirds of Americans oppose amnesty, and that 90% say illegal immigration is a serious problem. The House's approach is supported by most Americans. Now, we wait for the Senate to follow.

Rep. Tom Tancredo, R-Colo., is chairman of the congressional immigration reform caucus.

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#1. To: All, robin (#0)

(((ping)))

“No man will assert seriously, that when people are of a turbulent spirit, the best way to keep them in order is to furnish them with something substantial to complain of.” ---Edmund Burke

Peetie Wheatstraw  posted on  2006-03-30   14:16:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Peetie Wheatstraw (#0)

mandate that employers use an instant check system to verify their employees' legal status.

Oh this won't have any unintended consequences. Nosiree. None at all.


Siding with Islam against the neocons is no more a viable tactic than volunteering to infect yourself with the Ebola virus instead of AIDS.

-- Nick Griffin, British National Party

Tauzero  posted on  2006-03-30   14:59:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Peetie Wheatstraw (#0)

Coming to a country near you: The NoBurgerFlip List. Good luck getting your name off it.

Do we have the number of the beast or does he have ours?


Siding with Islam against the neocons is no more a viable tactic than volunteering to infect yourself with the Ebola virus instead of AIDS.

-- Nick Griffin, British National Party

Tauzero  posted on  2006-03-30   15:02:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Tauzero (#3)

Do we have the number of the beast or does he have ours?

That's what my Dad recalls his elders calling the new Social Security numbers around 1936---the "mark of the Beast." They have essentially become national ID numbers.

“No man will assert seriously, that when people are of a turbulent spirit, the best way to keep them in order is to furnish them with something substantial to complain of.” ---Edmund Burke

Peetie Wheatstraw  posted on  2006-03-30   15:17:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Peetie Wheatstraw (#4)

Gotta wonder... in a number of ways, many immigrants are undermining things our grandparents or great grandparents abhored, and doing so much more effectively than a matrix-tethered but liberty-minded honkie like myself ever has. No drivers' license... no mandatory insurance... no federal income tax... fake numbers... they're living it!

Does it matter that they're none too cerebral about it? Well yes, because I wouldn't want to live among them, and I would fail if I tried. Despite atrocious taxes and regulations, I still prefer the company of my own kind. So here we are.


Siding with Islam against the neocons is no more a viable tactic than volunteering to infect yourself with the Ebola virus instead of AIDS.

-- Nick Griffin, British National Party

Tauzero  posted on  2006-03-30   15:34:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Tauzero (#2)

mandate that employers use an instant check system to verify their employees' legal status.

Oh this won't have any unintended consequences. Nosiree. None at all.

Every "legal" employee is already in a massive federal database. It was established as a provision of the scam, er, I mean contract wtih America which nationalized "child support" enforcement. If you have applied for a job in the past decade, you are in it, whether or not you ever had any kids. Just one of the early accomplishments of the "smaller, less intrusive government" party after their rise to power.

"These aren't the droids you're looking for...

orangedog  posted on  2006-03-30   16:04:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: orangedog (#6)

Every "legal" employee is already in a massive federal database. It was established as a provision of the scam, er, I mean contract wtih America which nationalized "child support" enforcement. If you have applied for a job in the past decade, you are in it, whether or not you ever had any kids. Just one of the early accomplishments of the "smaller, less intrusive government" party after their rise to power.

Excellent point. It really isn't that hard to tell the status of a prospective employee, even with the EEOC promulgating regs about "discrimination" based on immigrant status. Companies like Tyson's knowingly accept falsified IDs from illegals in the face of other evidence----they can't pretend they didn't know.

“No man will assert seriously, that when people are of a turbulent spirit, the best way to keep them in order is to furnish them with something substantial to complain of.” ---Edmund Burke

Peetie Wheatstraw  posted on  2006-03-30   19:04:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Peetie Wheatstraw (#7)

Excellent point. It really isn't that hard to tell the status of a prospective employee, even with the EEOC promulgating regs about "discrimination" based on immigrant status. Companies like Tyson's knowingly accept falsified IDs from illegals in the face of other evidence----they can't pretend they didn't know.

What needs to happen is that some of these large corporations that get caught need to have their assests seized and sold off to the highest bidder. Let these greedy corporate assholes feed on their brethern at the auction block.

At the very least, any employer who is found employing illegals should be forced to make 100% restitution to the school districts, hospitals, police departments for every government "service" those illegals and their families used. Strip the fuckers of every penny they have and most of what they will ever earn again. You'll see compliance with the letter and spirit of the laws in a big hurry.

"These aren't the droids you're looking for...

orangedog  posted on  2006-03-30   21:56:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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