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Title: March Diary [Derbyshire on Immigration]
Source: National Review Online
URL Source: http://www.nationalreview.com/derbyshire/derbyshire200603310749.asp
Published: Mar 31, 2006
Author: John Derbyshire
Post Date: 2006-03-31 12:46:35 by Peetie Wheatstraw
Keywords: None
Views: 553
Comments: 73

The issue of immigration was suddenly all over the news this month. The interesting question here is: Why does the federal government find it so difficult to do anything? It would seem to be a pretty elementary thing, and a basic function of government, to secure the nation’s borders and monitor who comes in, who goes out. Why can’t we do that? You hear all sorts of reasons. Big Agriculture wants fruit pickers and hog gutters; Elite America wants domestic servants; Middle America wants gardeners (sorry “landscapers” — hard to keep up with job-title inflation); the Dems want future voters; the Catholic Church wants souls; and so on.

The real reason we find it so hard to do anything about immigration, or even to talk about it, or even to think straight about it, is that it has a large intersection with the race issue, about which Americans have a humongous collective neurosis. Those huge protests the other day weren’t just made up of illegal immigrants — you can’t tell me that. What they were was, demonstrations of racial solidarity. This is well-nigh unmentionable — for sure nobody in the MSM mentioned it — yet it was perfectly obvious from the crowds and their placards.

This is the wind from the south predicted in Amy Chua’s book World on Fire, the wind that blew Hugo Chavez and Evo Morales into office, the wind that may soon bring us a People’s Republic of Mexico. But no, that can’t be right. There is no such thing as race. Never has been, never will be. A couple more “diversity” workshops, and everything will be fine. No need for further action. Everything will be fine, everything will always be fine.

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#34. To: mehitable (#28)

This is the kind of thing that makes me feel more like a Cassandra than a mehitable, but I've been telling people for years now that the United States is either going to have to fight for or lose the Southwest in a few years. I thought it would take another generation but things are moving faster than I realized. Unlike stupid, self-loathing white people in America, the Mexicans think very highly of themselves (which I don't mind, by the way) and think they should own this real estate and run things themselves. And they won't be very nice to the white folks who happen to be around. Nor the black folks either. they don't like black people. Kind of puts the black "leadership" in a quandary. Who to side with? the dreaded white oppressor or the Mexicans who would be as happy to kill you as oppress you. Decisions, decisions. People had better figure out what side they're on as the Mexican-American war is coming.

Estamos de acuerdo, mehitabelita. ;)

“No man will assert seriously, that when people are of a turbulent spirit, the best way to keep them in order is to furnish them with something substantial to complain of.” ---Edmund Burke

Peetie Wheatstraw  posted on  2006-03-31   15:19:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: Peetie Wheatstraw (#34)

Can I get that acuerdo on the rocks with a side of nachos?

"I woke up in the CRAZY HOUSE."

mehitable  posted on  2006-03-31   15:22:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: Zipporah (#30)

Phaedrus here ya go read this ...

OK but what's the point? Talk is cheap. I sincerely doubt that the good citizens of Chula Vista or National City (south of San Diego) are going to say "Here, have my property" without a fight. A significant, armed minority are going to say "Bring it".

Phaedrus  posted on  2006-03-31   15:22:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: Phaedrus (#36)

If talk is cheap then what's the point of discussing this at all?

Zipporah  posted on  2006-03-31   15:24:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: mehitable (#35)

Can I get that acuerdo on the rocks with a side of nachos?

Not if it's an acuerdo migratorio, mi bien---eso no... ;)

“No man will assert seriously, that when people are of a turbulent spirit, the best way to keep them in order is to furnish them with something substantial to complain of.” ---Edmund Burke

Peetie Wheatstraw  posted on  2006-03-31   15:24:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: Tauzero (#32)

But ours are registered, have trigger locks, and much lower magazine capacity. Defeat (and retreat) in detail, not to mention about 1/3 working actively for the enemy.

lol well you do have a point.

Phaedrus  posted on  2006-03-31   15:25:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: Zipporah (#9)

it's the word THEY have chosen to identify with race..

Intruding meme alert! Intruding meme alert! Dissonance! Dissonance!


Siding with Islam against the neocons is no more a viable tactic than volunteering to infect yourself with the Ebola virus instead of AIDS.

-- Nick Griffin, British National Party

Tauzero  posted on  2006-03-31   15:25:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: Zipporah (#37)

If talk is cheap then what's the point of discussing this at all?

Touché! "Actions" may speak louder than "words," but the "action" of a forum discussion is "words, words, words." Taunting people about that is just a ruse to suppress discussion of the issue.

“No man will assert seriously, that when people are of a turbulent spirit, the best way to keep them in order is to furnish them with something substantial to complain of.” ---Edmund Burke

Peetie Wheatstraw  posted on  2006-03-31   15:27:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: mehitable (#33)

... it's that I doubt OUR GOVERNMENT and I believe they work against our interests. And our alleged president, Bush, was down in Mexico yesterday firmly applying his lips all over the backside of Vincente Fox.

No argument. Our disgusting little Wannabe Emperor Bush has done a better job of trashing the nation than Clinton, which I would not have thought possible.

Phaedrus  posted on  2006-03-31   15:28:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: Zipporah (#37)

If talk is cheap then what's the point of discussing this at all?

Now, Zip, don't go all sophistry on me.

Phaedrus  posted on  2006-03-31   15:29:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: Tauzero (#40)

ntruding meme alert! Intruding meme alert! Dissonance! Dissonance!

Welllllllll.. ;)

Zipporah  posted on  2006-03-31   15:31:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: Peetie Wheatstraw (#41)

...just a ruse to suppress discussion of the issue.

Now that's a laugher. I do NOT see discussion suppressed on this forum or anywhere else in the nation, hard as I look. All this country does is jabber.

Phaedrus  posted on  2006-03-31   15:32:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: Phaedrus (#43)

How am I being deceptive?? You were the one were you not that dismissed the cohesive issue re the illegals and that it wasnt about race ..you doubted that they had anything that made them of one mind.. Therefore.. I posted something and you dismissed it by saying talk is cheap.. so the logical conclusion would be.. then why discuss it..

Zipporah  posted on  2006-03-31   15:33:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: Peetie Wheatstraw (#41)

Touché! "Actions" may speak louder than "words," but the "action" of a forum discussion is "words, words, words." Taunting people about that is just a ruse to suppress discussion of the issue.

Well it did seem the logical conclusion.. to the statement did it not? ;)

Zipporah  posted on  2006-03-31   15:34:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: Phaedrus (#4)

I sick to death of hearing about everything in terms of race.

Excuse me sir, would you care to take out a low cost loan? Perhaps there's a vacation or home improvement you'd like to make. Very reasonable terms.


Siding with Islam against the neocons is no more a viable tactic than volunteering to infect yourself with the Ebola virus instead of AIDS.

-- Nick Griffin, British National Party

Tauzero  posted on  2006-03-31   15:35:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: Zipporah (#46)

Therefore.. I posted something and you dismissed it by saying talk is cheap.. so the logical conclusion would be.. then why discuss it..

I don't think you're being deceptive, I think you're hung up on words and maybe outthinking yourself. Anyone can say lots of scarifying things. It's up to us to decide whether we should be scarified. And, frankly, "why should we talk about it at all" is not a relevant question. Sure we should talk about it but truth should be sought and spoken and actions should be clearly distinguished from words. Any monkey can type words.

Phaedrus  posted on  2006-03-31   15:39:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: Zipporah (#47)

Well it did seem the logical conclusion.. to the statement did it not? ;)

Indeed. Besides, have people forgotten the old saw that, "The pen is mightier than the sword"? Or is the come-back to that now, "..but not mightier than an AC-130 gunship...!!!!" ;)

“No man will assert seriously, that when people are of a turbulent spirit, the best way to keep them in order is to furnish them with something substantial to complain of.” ---Edmund Burke

Peetie Wheatstraw  posted on  2006-03-31   15:40:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#51. To: Phaedrus (#49)

I don't think you're being deceptive, I think you're hung up on words and maybe outthinking yourself. Anyone can say lots of scarifying things. It's up to us to decide whether we should be scarified. And, frankly, "why should we talk about it at all" is not a relevant question. Sure we should talk about it but truth should be sought and spoken and actions should be clearly distinguished from words. Any monkey can type words.

OH.. any monkey can type words?? Et tu..

Zipporah  posted on  2006-03-31   15:42:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#52. To: Tauzero (#48)

Excuse me sir, would you care to take out a low cost loan? Perhaps there's a vacation or home improvement you'd like to make. Very reasonable terms.

Better rate if I certify I am non-white?

Phaedrus  posted on  2006-03-31   15:42:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#53. To: Zipporah (#44)

Welllllllll.. ;)

The avoidance all seems a bit, well, Aristotelean, doesn't it?


Siding with Islam against the neocons is no more a viable tactic than volunteering to infect yourself with the Ebola virus instead of AIDS.

-- Nick Griffin, British National Party

Tauzero  posted on  2006-03-31   15:43:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#54. To: Peetie Wheatstraw (#50)

ndeed. Besides, have people forgotten the old saw that, "The pen is mightier than the sword"? Or is the come-back to that now, "..but not mightier than an AC-130 gunship...!!!!" ;)

LOL! .. Well.. ya think they're some bombs being dropped?? ;P

Zipporah  posted on  2006-03-31   15:44:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#55. To: Tauzero (#53)

The avoidance all seems a bit, well, Aristotelean, doesn't it?

Quite..

Zipporah  posted on  2006-03-31   15:45:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#56. To: Zipporah (#51)

OH.. any monkey can type words?? Et tu..

I knew what I was typing ... (now you'll just have to decide)

Phaedrus  posted on  2006-03-31   15:45:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#57. To: Phaedrus (#52)

Better rate if I certify I am non-white?

Oh no, nothing so crude. We have a highly complex and reasonably accurate model developed by trained experts to determine credit-worthiness, and race is not a variable.


Siding with Islam against the neocons is no more a viable tactic than volunteering to infect yourself with the Ebola virus instead of AIDS.

-- Nick Griffin, British National Party

Tauzero  posted on  2006-03-31   15:47:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#58. To: Tauzero (#32)

But ours are registered,

Not in Tejas.

have trigger locks,

Yeah, they're in the garage someplace.

and much lower magazine capacity.

. . . thirty-one, thirty-two, thirty-three, thirty-four, . . .

Defeat (and retreat) in detail, not to mention about 1/3 working actively for the enemy.

Remember the Alamo!

gargantua  posted on  2006-03-31   15:47:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#59. To: Tauzero (#53)

Repetition gets tiresome.

Phaedrus  posted on  2006-03-31   15:48:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#60. To: Tauzero (#57)

Oh no, nothing so crude. We have a highly complex and reasonably accurate model developed by trained experts to determine credit-worthiness, and race is not a variable.

I'm sure. Back on topic, the race of an illegal immigrant is irrelevant, which is to say that those who play the race card are playing games. Well, my opinion, of course, but I'm sure you'll agree it is a well founded one ... ;-}

Phaedrus  posted on  2006-03-31   15:51:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#61. To: Phaedrus (#56)

I knew what I was typing ... (now you'll just have to decide)

Is this perhaps the point at which I tell you to stuff it??

Zipporah  posted on  2006-03-31   15:52:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#62. To: Zipporah (#61)

Is this perhaps the point at which I tell you to stuff it??

You have no sense of humor. You will do whatever it pleases you to do.

Phaedrus  posted on  2006-03-31   15:54:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#63. To: Phaedrus (#62)

You have no sense of humor. You will do whatever it pleases you to do.

okay.. stuff it..

Zipporah  posted on  2006-03-31   15:54:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#64. To: Zipporah (#63)

okay.. stuff it..

Thank you, and the same to you.

Phaedrus  posted on  2006-03-31   15:57:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#65. To: Phaedrus (#64)

Thank you, and the same to you.

Not a chance in a million..

Zipporah  posted on  2006-03-31   15:59:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#66. To: Phaedrus (#59)

Dirty job, but someone's gotta do it. Honkies are such slackers, you know.

Just because you refuse to play the game does not mean the game is not on.

Many a long year I myself wandered in the desert of respectable conservative environmentalism.

... and yes, I am 100% aware of the fact that the increase in importance of this subject to me personally is fully congruent with declining social mood. But that does not, by itself, invalidate it.

... and since a rising tide lifts all boats, perhaps it is true -- in very concrete, measurable ways -- that race is of much less importance during strong bull markets, though the general rank-order of various statistics remains.


Siding with Islam against the neocons is no more a viable tactic than volunteering to infect yourself with the Ebola virus instead of AIDS.

-- Nick Griffin, British National Party

Tauzero  posted on  2006-03-31   16:03:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#67. To: Zipporah (#65)

Whatever.

Phaedrus  posted on  2006-03-31   16:06:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#68. To: Tauzero (#66)

Tauzero, how could anyone POSSIBLY disagree with you? (first they must understand you)

Phaedrus  posted on  2006-03-31   16:08:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#69. To: Phaedrus (#60)

Back on topic, the race of an illegal immigrant is irrelevant,

By definition, it is of course irrelevant to their legality. It is not irrelevant to other areas.

I'd be happy to grant Poles amnesty. They are much fewer, and closer. Still alien in many ways, but not as alien.

those who play the race card are playing games

I once thought that. I have since concluded complaints of institutional racism are legitimate within the ethical system of those that level the charge. No matter how hard whitey works define his preferences in race-neutral terms, race cannot be defined out of existence, and there is disparate impact. Everybody but the white man sees through his self-delusions -- and holds him in contempt for them.


Siding with Islam against the neocons is no more a viable tactic than volunteering to infect yourself with the Ebola virus instead of AIDS.

-- Nick Griffin, British National Party

Tauzero  posted on  2006-03-31   16:14:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#70. To: Zipporah, Phaedrus (#65)

Zip, as a decidedly unobjective observer who likes both of you, IMO you took the monkey typing comment the wrong way.

Phaedrus is not unaware of race. But he is sick of the subject. He's also not overly interested in defending himself when someone misunderstands him.

And he is, I think, a closet optimist. :-O


Siding with Islam against the neocons is no more a viable tactic than volunteering to infect yourself with the Ebola virus instead of AIDS.

-- Nick Griffin, British National Party

Tauzero  posted on  2006-03-31   16:41:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#71. To: Tauzero (#70)

Zip, as a decidedly unobjective observer who likes both of you, IMO you took the monkey typing comment the wrong way.

Phaedrus is not unaware of race. But he is sick of the subject. He's also not overly interested in defending himself when someone misunderstands him.

And he is, I think, a closet optimist. :-O

Well I still enjoyed telling him to stuff it. ;P

Anyone who isnt aware is in denial.

Zipporah  posted on  2006-03-31   16:43:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#72. To: Tauzero (#69)

I'd be happy to grant Poles amnesty. They are much fewer, and closer. Still alien in many ways, but not as alien ...

I once thought that. I have since concluded complaints of institutional racism are legitimate within the ethical system of those that level the charge. No matter how hard whitey works define his preferences in race-neutral terms, race cannot be defined out of existence, and there is disparate impact. Everybody but the white man sees through his self-delusions -- and holds him in contempt for them.

I don't favor granting anyone amnesty for, I think, obvious reasons.

There is an ethos of American fairness that should override the ethical systems of any individuals that might hold them. Value relativity doesn't work very well. What appears to be the case today is that it is OK to discriminate against whitey but against no one else. That is to me as distasteful as discrimination on any other "irrational" basis. This doesn't deny that the races have qualitatively different skills, abilities, talents, intelligence and whatever, and if those capabilbies don't match what's being sought, then so be it. As I've said before I speak only for myself. Speaking thusly and being white, I would not agree that I am the least bit delusional, that I discriminate on the basis or race OR that I am unaware of the differing culteral milieu around me. While it's true that it's not about me, it's also true that I'm the only one I feel I can confidently speak about.

Phaedrus  posted on  2006-03-31   17:18:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#73. To: Phaedrus (#72)

Fair enough! :-)


Siding with Islam against the neocons is no more a viable tactic than volunteering to infect yourself with the Ebola virus instead of AIDS.

-- Nick Griffin, British National Party

Tauzero  posted on  2006-03-31   17:34:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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