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Title: 200 Proofs Earth is Not a Spinning Ball
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URL Source: https://youtu.be/-Ax_YpQsy88
Published: Dec 29, 2019
Author: Eric Dubay
Post Date: 2019-12-29 19:57:38 by wudidiz
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#37. To: Cynicom (#35)
Cyni... I believe you. But if you want to debate and argue effectively, you have to present points that won't be subject to challenge by the person you're debating. If a flat-earther says "prove it" in response to the above, will you be able to? No. Prove it. To find out what's level over a large distance, they could have easily just dug a long trench and filled it with water. Water not flowing will reveal the exact same altitude on both ends. But the point is not that you're right. The point is being able to **defend** being right. Presenting points you cannot defend and substantiate is worthless in a debate, even if the points are true.
Power lines over Lake Pontchartrain elegantly demonstrate the curvature of Earth “I am not one of those weak-spirited, sappy Americans who want to be liked by all the people around them. I don’t care if people hate my guts; I assume most of them do. The important question is whether they are in a position to do anything about it. My affections, being concentrated over a few people, are not spread all over Hell in a vile attempt to placate sulky, worthless shits.” - William S Burroughs
Prove what?
Ancients perhaps were more observant and able to think than some. Very young, stood on high cliff on a small island, an adjacent island was visible. Down on the beach, the other island was gone. Two things were possible, the other island had sunk in the ocean, OR the earth WAS ROUND. Back on the cliff, damned island was back.
The ancients solved problems like how to move massive rocks of dozens of tons using only manual labor -- an art pretty much lost just due to inventions making the old ways obsolete. But sometimes more credit is given to them than is due. In South America, there's an ancient stone ruin, and it marks the exact equator. But that doesn't mean they understood the earth was round. Instead, they likely discovered the coriolis effect when water drains, rotating clockwise or counterclockwise depending on which side of the equator it was on, and after experimenting some found the equator (which can be done within a few inches or a foot, amazingly enough). So they decided to make a monument to this very special line without understanding what it really was. Possibly all the while believing, for all we know, that the earth was flat.
Remember they told Christopher Columbus if he sailed west he would fall off the end of the Earth. He did it anyway. The island he landed on is called San Salvador. He thought he had sailed to China. The New World turned out to be much more than any of them expected. ;) "When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke
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“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken
Columbus sailed with his uncles Templar maps. He always knew he would land somewhere the fear of falling off the edge and/or proving the earth round is a wives tale for kids,.. Now expanding earth theory. Nobody look into that. I FORBID YOU. Expanding earth theory is hogwash bullshit. Fucking flat earth theory has more merit than expanding earth. Only stars expand not planets, never planets. DO NOT LOOK THIS UP I FORBID IT. ______________________________________ Suspect all media / resist bad propaganda/Learn NLP everyday everyway ;) If you don't control your mind someone else will.
From what I've looked up the simple answer seems to be water. Simple lock and dams we don't want to credit the old world with. It ain't such an crazy and hard to understand concept but for some reason academia doesn't want to acknowledge it.... maybe they feel that their is more money in ALIENS ALIENS EVERYWHERE or who knows it's a mystery. Mystery everywhere... pls give be more moneies.
______________________________________ Suspect all media / resist bad propaganda/Learn NLP everyday everyway ;) If you don't control your mind someone else will.
This from Aristotle a few years ago... """In his book On the Heavens, he wrote: "Again, our observations of the stars make it evident, not only that the Earth is circular, but also that it is a circle of no great size. For quite a small change of position to south or north causes a manifest alteration of the horizon." In other words, you see different sets of stars in the night sky depending on where you are. The sky over the northern hemisphere is not the same as the sky over the southern hemisphere. If the Earth was flat, then at any given time we would all see the same stars, and we don't.""" Very young I saw islands appear and disappear with altitude. I was as smart as Aristotle. Well close anyway.
There is no flat earth explanation for why a compass works, why the stars are different in the northern hemisphere and the southern hemisphere, why revolve around the celestial poles, why they people can't see the Eiffel tower and the Himalayas from a mountain top using a telescope, why the motions of the planets are predictable, etc... You'd have to erase any intelligence, logic, or rational thought a person has for them to believe in a flat earth. It's as if they are scared of the vastness of the universe and need to shrink it down to something they can accept. What do you think is the purpose of explorers and scientists throughout history of plotting to trick you, Liberator, into thinking the earth is a sphere where in reality we're all riding on the back of a huge turtle?
If you can't understand the most fundamental concepts of motion, you have no business even mentioning Einstein. A compass could potentially still work. While it's not possible to have only a north pole without a south pole, the south pole could be centered well below a flat earth disk. I hesitate to mention that as I don't want the mention to be construed as supporting flat earthism, but I do like to let facts speak for themselves. I think they may say the stars are much closer to the earth. Maybe a couple hundred miles up. That would give a different north vs south hemisphere view. Though the next problem is that the people in the S hemisphere would see stars whizzing through the sky at, well, astronomical speeds. I guess a time lapse video of the stars moving in a circular manner over the "fake" south pole would/should throw a monkey wrench into the theory. For a number of these things flat earthers have various theories concocted. Challenging those theories just takes you on a journey down the rabbit hole. Theories can be modified to be compatible with problematic observations. My theory is that the human mind has a greatly underestimated ability to believe things that are not true. Massively underestimated. It's the reason why some Muslims blow themselves up, why people hate Trump so much, why countries are largely one specific religion over vast periods of time, and so on. It's a basis for deception something we are all subject to and I don't consider anyone immune, including myself.
That is why I referenced 200 'Proofs' as "Evidences" instead. ;-) I'll take the first one in the video: The horizon always appears flat regardless of altitude. This is a subjective, non-quantifiable assertion. Counter arguments say curvature IS observable at airline altitude provided weather conditions allow sufficient view. I have been there, done that...while living near the ocean most of my life... ARE perceptions "quantitative"?? Probably. Many observations or perceptions wind up as "subjective." However, with the objective preponderance of evidence, the weight of "proof" becomes more decisive. And that is exactly what Eric Dubay accomplishes here (add the weight of others, and the truth of our realm become even more obvious.) All that said, yes, true. There are "Counter-arguments" that will indeed claim curvature. Might this be a matter of the vast power of suggestion to any degree? The ocean has always looked level to me, tapering into a very slight curve at either end of both directions at the far left and far right of the horizon. In retrospect, it was THAT weak supposed observation and power of suggestion that helped convince myself that maybe the earth was "round." I was never fully convinced. When a video titled "200 proofs" starts off with an argument that is of such low grade subjectiveness, it really lowers one's expectations as to the other 199, and sitting through them tries one's patience. Really? One "proof" into this vid and you've already concluded the following 199 "proofs" are weak? That's a mistake. He crushes it. Dubay dismantles one "scientific" myth/assumption after another. Right till the very end. He even explains the probable identity & cites motivation in the last 10 minutes. Dubay's "200 Proofs" reinforce those legit doubts (IF you or anyone else actually and patiently watches. If so, you'll discover his point-by-point case of deception vs truths are absolutely and devastatingly effective.) Water ALWAYS remains level is does not curve. PROVEN. 70% of this realm is water, ergo, what are we to conclude? I'm not going to try and convince you or anyone else of something you just don't care about on a point by point basis -- Dubay covers the subject well. Either one concedes and realizes this world is about deception or they don't; There are indeed truths the world's PTB/Elites don't and never want us to know or discover. (And YES, they DO control "knowledge.") FWIW I have flown and watched countless hours of actual flights and views. Flat. A flat horizon ALWAYS rises to the eye. If there is any perceived "curve," it seems always to be a slight one at the far edges of the respective 180 degrees. Any other of the 200 that are similarly subjective can be easily dismissed for the same reason, but if you want, pick out 2 or 3 you think are the most compelling and I'll address them. Thanks for trying to be fair & open-minded to even that degree. Respect. But honestly and objectively? At least 150 of Dubay's "Proofs" are "compelling". Seriously. Investigating this subject or any truth isn't for everyone. Many actually do not want to know THE truth. (The question or rather answer with respect to our earthly realm is the Mother of ALL of the PTB Lies. That is why such a "silly(!!)" "Flat Earth" subject is publicly targeted as "dangerous" and heavily censored by G00gle/YouTube head, Susan Wojcicki -- as well as most Scientism cults. Yes, "Scientism" is a religion.) Sorry, but I don't have time or patience to acquire & read whole books on an idea that doesn't even get to first base as there are no shortage of ideas that fail to do that. I specifically mentioned those books precisely because its authors debunk and disprove the very "scientific" foundations for Globe Earth belief in the first place. Copernicus (Heliocentrism), Newton (Gravity), Einstein (Relativity) ALL admitted their respective theories were merely "possible"; NOT "proven.") Their hypotheses, wishful thinking and assumptions didn't stop the "Science" institutions (controlled by Masons/Talmudics/Luciferians/Illuminati) from claiming it so. With respect to NASA, it is an obvious massive and epic theatrical/technical deception & fail. Which is why rejection of the "Moon Landings" are another subject considered "dangerous" by G00gle, YT, the Trekkies, the de Grasse-Tysons, and MSM. It destroys their sci-fi fantasies. Place a straight piece of paper over the horizon... Is it absolutely straight? (btw, does this photo of these lines taken via telescopic lens seem to be dramatically distorting this perspective?) IF you're interested, In '200 Proofs', 1:50 in, Dubay explains and addressed how curvature is rarely if ever considered by rail & canal engineers. With respect to bridges, the curvature formula (8" sq per mile) is actually taken into account, but it is by far the exception, dismissed totally by the vast majority of engineers. Worth while questions. Calculations that consider the supposed curvature via formula is an allowance rarely taken into account by engineers. Curvature may have been assumed regarding the Verazano-Narrows bridge...but wasn't necessary. The water below it is LEVEL. Upon whose claim do you cite evidence for either "curvature" OR the actual Pyramid construction methodology? Absolutely true. 1.5" in the context of a 50,000 inch-long bridge can easily be accounted for as matter of being far within an acceptable tolerance of engineering accuracy. The waters on one side of the narrows from the other of course are the same: Level. Honestly? We don't know. Try watching and listening to the video. Condemnation before investigation is the highest form of ignorance. Exactly. Water = Level. (which is just one powerful, singular reason the Globe Earth model can forcefully be challenged.) We can only assume the huge stones of the pyramids were moved via manual labor... Some folks who've dug deep (no pun intended) have theorized/discovered that THE "art" that was used to moved the stone was... "Levitation." It would require knowledge of utilizing the earth's magnetism or other means. Some folks also say that this type of knowledge (as well as some hi tech knowledge of today) is some of the 'Fallen Angel' "secret" knowledge/tech that was originally restricted by God. (I realize this is a whole different tangent.) Is it absolutely straight? Go to observation deck on Willis (Sears) Tower and look out over Lake Michigan, the curvature is readily apparent. “I am not one of those weak-spirited, sappy Americans who want to be liked by all the people around them. I don’t care if people hate my guts; I assume most of them do. The important question is whether they are in a position to do anything about it. My affections, being concentrated over a few people, are not spread all over Hell in a vile attempt to placate sulky, worthless shits.” - William S Burroughs
It appears you've delved into quite a bit of "alternative" history yourself. If Antarctica has never actually been explored (as per Admiral Byrd's TV testimony, c.1954), then no one actually knows with any certainty exactly the extent of land and what lies within the interior of that alleged "continent." As you and others might realize, ALL movement to Antarctica is strictly controlled and restricted as per a global 1959 treaty... WHICH INCLUDED THE USSR. Saw the vid. Looked at many other vids as well as a comparison. NOT convincing. Btw I live near the ocean. I see a level horizon. Always have. If there's any "curve" it's minute and tapers at the very far ends of either 180 degree direction. Standing at sea level does not give a wide enough view to perceive curvature, the horizon is only 7 miles distant.
“I am not one of those weak-spirited, sappy Americans who want to be liked by all the people around them. I don’t care if people hate my guts; I assume most of them do. The important question is whether they are in a position to do anything about it. My affections, being concentrated over a few people, are not spread all over Hell in a vile attempt to placate sulky, worthless shits.” - William S Burroughs
AND...you "know" this BECAUSE...??? I find that statement as well as other ironic given your quote of Orwell. Maybe you should ponder what he said about those who were and still are able to "control" the past, present and future. (and what you, I, and others think is "proven history, proven science, proven political fact.") These same Orwellian "Controllers" wouldn't manipulate the narrative and truths of this world to support their own subversive agenda....OR...would they?? "Condemnation before investigation is the highest form of ignorance." If you're standing mid-ocean with a 360 degree view, are you able to see what would theoretically be a 28 mile radius? If so, would that provide a wide enough view of level horizon in your opinion? Moreover, exactly at what point does water start "curving? Not sure, but I don't recall noticing curvature from water level, only from skyscraper or plane.
“I am not one of those weak-spirited, sappy Americans who want to be liked by all the people around them. I don’t care if people hate my guts; I assume most of them do. The important question is whether they are in a position to do anything about it. My affections, being concentrated over a few people, are not spread all over Hell in a vile attempt to placate sulky, worthless shits.” - William S Burroughs
"Explorers"? You mean the ones who "explored the continent of Antarctica"? Please tell me -- who were they?? Scientists. You mean the ones who insist that there are more than two genders? The scientists who claim "Global Warming"? I am going to go out on a limb here and say you know very little about either Earth "Exploration" OR "Science" -- but "know" a whole LOT about "Interplantetary Travel" and "Space Exploration." Fine. Please explain ANY "fundamental concept of motion." And while you're at it, exactly what did I claim about Einstein that you object to? Thanks... I respect your own eyes, your own perspective.
If you're interested... At about the 2:53 mark of "200 Proofs" you'll find the author start explaining the scientific dynamics of water, bridges, rail, perspective...(It's just a few minutes, but germane to the subject) Condemnation before investigation is the highest form of ignorance. I have already investigated the flat earth question. I do not need to watch a 2 hour video asserting that water is dry in order to remain legitimately confident that water is really wet. Especially when I took a shower that very morning, and needed a towel when I got out.
Why are wasting everyone's time and forum space with this nonsense? I can only guess that your are either an idiot or some kind of a plant endeavoring to make Christians look ignorant and anti-science. If you really believe this nonsense, book a flight that flies above 30,000 feet and look out the window, or take a pair of binoculars or a small telescope down to the sea on a clear day and watch a ship sail away from your position. How so? I do not need to watch a 2 hour video asserting that water is dry in order to remain legitimately confident that water is really wet. Especially when I took a shower that very morning, and needed a towel when I got out. Thanks for letting me know who NOT to take seriously, that sentience and truth is not a major priority in life. Why are YOU wasting MY time by posting this blather to me? I didn't ping you. Go back to sleep. Or watch an ISS "Live" feed of bad CGI and the comically obvious fish-eye lens of "earth." There's no need to seek truth beyond that which jeopardizes your Dewey/Rockefeller/Masonic indoctrination programming and obedience training. I've noted that since 2016 you have been trying to enlighten your fellow forum members with truth about our realm. I tip my cap to you! Well done. +1000 You were ahead of your time. And yes, once you seek and see the Truth, there is no returning. I also noted that The Usual Suspects were always the first to ridicule you as you were simply presenting Truth. And were here on THIS thread. Shame on them. Some people -- no matter how intelligent -- do not and will not ever admit that they have been bamboozled their entire lives with THE Mother of ALL Lies, backed up by Masonic/Talmudic lies regarding Heliocentrism, Gravity, Earth Movement, Evolution, and of course, Einstein's phony theory of "Relativity." There is no longer any excuse to ignore Truth. The Bible is the very first "Flat Earth" book; Flat Earth is proven via observation, by common sense, by REAL science. What a happy coincidence!
That is certainly the most intelligent observation in this whole thread and a for sure keeper.
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Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest The inch and a half was on the drawing boards BEFORE THE BRIDGE WAS BUILT.
The ancients knew it before they laid the foundations for their pyramids.
Without looking how did they "level" for the foundation over such an expanse?
#38. To: Pinguinite, Cynicom. StraitGate, BTP Holdings, Liberator, Bill D Berger, AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt, FormerLurker, noone222, Lod, wudidiz (#37)
#39. To: Pinguinite (#37)
#40. To: Dakmar (#38)
#41. To: Cynicom (#40)
Ancients perhaps were more observant and able to think than some.
#42. To: StraitGate (#36)
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flat-earthism
#43. To: Pinguinite (#41)
#44. To: BTP Holdings (#42)
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#45. To: Pinguinite (#41)
#46. To: BTP Holdings, Lod, Ancients (#42)
#47. To: Pinguinite (#19)
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I think my favorite argument against flat earth is the time it takes to fly form Chile to New Zealand.
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination 
#48. To: Liberator (#27)
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#49. To: Liberator (#26)
Einstein's "Relativism" is especially interesting in that his theory (yes, even HE admitted it could NOT be proven) was cooked up specifically to disprove the Michelson-Morley experiment which proved the earth is NOT SPINNING (look it up.)
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#50. To: FormerLurker (#47)
There is no flat earth explanation for why a compass works,
why the stars are different in the northern hemisphere and the southern hemisphere, why they revolve around the celestial poles,
why they people can't see the Eiffel tower and the Himalayas from a mountain top using a telescope, why the motions of the planets are predictable, etc...
You'd have to erase any intelligence, logic, or rational thought a person has for them to believe in a flat earth.
#51. To: Pinguinite, 4 (#28)
That's fine, as long as it's understood that evidence is not proof. Finding a footprint of a unique shoe belonging to someone is evidence the person was there, but not proof.
#52. To: Dakmar, 4 (#38)
#53. To: Pinguinite, Cynicom (#31)
I trust the calculations, but it doesn't work well as a counter to flat earth. Reason: Have you verified this difference? Do you know anyone who has? Can those claims be trusted? Maybe the difference is due to construction anomalies and not earth curvature?
#54. To: Cynicom (#33)
Thousands of years ago, the builders of the Great Pyramids were well aware of earth curvature.
#55. To: Pinguinite, Cynicom (#34)
It doesn't mean a 1.5 inch margin of error for construction of a bridge that size would be outside acceptable tolerances.
#56. To: Cynicom (#35)
The ancients knew it before they laid the foundations for their pyramids.Without looking how did they "level" for the foundation over such an expanse?
#57. To: StraitGate (#36)
#58. To: Pinguinite (#37)
To find out what's level over a large distance, they could have easily just dug a long trench and filled it with water. Water not flowing will reveal the exact same altitude on both ends.
#59. To: Pinguinite, Cynicom (#41)
The ancients solved problems like how to move massive rocks of dozens of tons using only manual labor -- an art pretty much lost just due to inventions making the old ways obsolete. But sometimes more credit is given to them than is due.
#60. To: Liberator (#52)
Place a straight piece of paper over the horizon...
#61. To: titorite (#44)
#62. To: Dakmar (#60)
#63. To: Liberator (#62)
#64. To: FormerLurker, Pinguinite (#47)
You'd have to erase any intelligence, logic, or rational thought a person has for them to believe in a flat earth.
#65. To: Dakmar (#63)
#66. To: Liberator (#65)
#67. To: FormerLurker (#48)
What do you think is the purpose of explorers and scientists throughout history of plotting to trick you, Liberator, into thinking the earth is a sphere where in reality we're all riding on the back of a huge turtle?
#68. To: FormerLurker (#49)
If you can't understand the most fundamental concepts of motion, you have no business even mentioning Einstein.
#69. To: Dakmar (#66)
#70. To: Dakmar, Pinguinite (#66)
#71. To: Liberator (#57)
Try watching and listening to the video.
#72. To: Liberator (#70)
Freedom is a social skill.
#73. To: StraitGate (#71)
I have already investigated the flat earth question.
#74. To: Anthem (#72)
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Why are wasting everyone's time and forum space with this nonsense?
#75. To: wudidiz (#1)
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#76. To: Liberator (#73)
Thanks for letting me know who NOT to take seriously
#77. To: Pinguinite (#50)
My theory is that the human mind has a greatly underestimated ability to believe things that are not true. Massively underestimated. It's the reason why some Muslims blow themselves up, why people hate Trump so much, why countries are largely one specific religion over vast periods of time, and so on. It's a basis for deception something we are all subject to and I don't consider anyone immune, including myself.
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