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Title: 200 Proofs Earth is Not a Spinning Ball
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URL Source: https://youtu.be/-Ax_YpQsy88
Published: Dec 29, 2019
Author: Eric Dubay
Post Date: 2019-12-29 19:57:38 by wudidiz
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Have not seen you around in a long time.
They are not "proofs". They are arguments, and all I've considered are, to various degrees, easily dismissed.
"...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm
It is said that the earth spins at 1000 MPH in order for one revolution to occur each day (as the earth is said to be 25,000 miles in circumference. Then it is also said that the earth (solar system) travels through the universe at 60,000 mph. I am wondering "where is the breeze" ?
http://ustvgo.tv/one-america-news-network/ "And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them. " The best thing about old age is that it doesn't last forever.
christianobserver.net/flat-earth/ I haven't been able to look at all these yet. I want flat earth to be true if only because they have lied about everything else. "...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm
Good question. The rotation speed at the poles is zero but there is always a wind factor. Metoreolgy explains the answer.
I thought that he'd fallen off the edge.
“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken
hahahahahaha ! http://ustvgo.tv/one-america-news-network/ "And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them. " The best thing about old age is that it doesn't last forever.
Gee whiz, I wonder why people aren't crushed to death when they travel 500 mph in jets, or even at 70 mph in cars. BTW, did you know there's no air in space? I guess there's no such thing as night and day either, and we're all on the same time across the earth. Other continents don't exist, it's all CGI. LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Oh no, don't tell me you're another deluded one. I thought you were intelligent.
Nice to see you wud, too bad you're still wrapped up in your delusions. Do you still think we're riding on the back of a huge turtle, or is in an elephant? :) We need laugh emojis here! Metoreolgy explains the answer. There is primarily the matter of inertia. An object will stay in motion unless acted upon by an external force. Everything on earth stays at the same relative motion unless acted upon by an external force, including gravity which pulls everything towards the center of the planet. It's why and how satellites stay in orbit, they're falling towards earth at the same rate they travel horizontally. As far as the air, it travels at the same rate as the rest of the planet. Now if the earth were to STOP rotating all of a sudden, everything would go flying at about 1000 mph. You see, the only time motion is noticeable is when there is acceleration or deceleration, such as in a car. A person in a car traveling smoothly at 70 mph will be able to sit in their seat comfortably, whereas if that car hits a tree he'll definitely go flying out the windshield due to the instant deceleration. This is a religion for these people. They don't need proof of anything. LOL, why does the bowl start spinning when I run the electric mixer to make a cake? I'm not touching the bowl. “I am not one of those weak-spirited, sappy Americans who want to be liked by all the people around them. I don’t care if people hate my guts; I assume most of them do. The important question is whether they are in a position to do anything about it. My affections, being concentrated over a few people, are not spread all over Hell in a vile attempt to placate sulky, worthless shits.” - William S Burroughs
Because your batter is spinning inside the bowl, and due to friction the bowl starts to spin in the same direction. It's the force of the batter spinning and the friction between the batter and the bowl. Now if you don't turn the motor on, it won't spin, right? But the batter is a liquid, there is no friction. :)
“I am not one of those weak-spirited, sappy Americans who want to be liked by all the people around them. I don’t care if people hate my guts; I assume most of them do. The important question is whether they are in a position to do anything about it. My affections, being concentrated over a few people, are not spread all over Hell in a vile attempt to placate sulky, worthless shits.” - William S Burroughs
I think my favorite argument against flat earth is the time it takes to fly form Chile to New Zealand. If the earth is flat, these 2 places are on the opposite side of the flat earth disk which would be an enormous distance, and the conventional airline flight time of about 13 hours would mean the plane has to fly at about Mach 2. Of course commercial airliners are all subsonic. With this counter argument, there's no blaming NASA for lying or scrutinizing pictures that may have been CGI enhanced. Flight info is verifiable on the net and average people fly that route daily. There is no flat earth explanation for it.
Ha! guess I fooled you :) I haven't studied it enough. Actually, hardly at all. Besides, I really have a pea brain. I am leaning toward it though, simply because they have lied about everything else. When I've had a chance to study it more, I'll get back to you. Or maybe not. Looks like we're headed to war. Who knows. I may not get out alive. "...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm
If the batter is thicker than water there is friction. ;) "When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke
And if I cannot get away from these incompetent buffoons who call themselves doctors I will definitely not get out alive. :-/ "When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke
hmmm? what's going on?
"...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm
If the batter is thicker than water there is friction. ;) Water creates friction too. Ever been swimming? During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act. +1000 Nice post. Actually, what's advance here is more like "evidences." ...All I've considered are, to various degrees, easily dismissed. Not only are NONE are "easily dismissed," but to various degrees IMPOSSIBLE to dismiss. Period. (Please let go of your single objection regarding the flight from Chile to NZ and focus instead on some OTHER points/objections.) Yes, we've indeed belabored this subject ad nauseum, but with "200 Proofs" to consider debunking, I seriously doubt you or most folks are going to watch and consider all 200 proofs of this vid for one and a half hours (if you do, chances are you will seriously question this realm.) And then there are the countless YT vids to seriously consider that fully expose and destroy the lies while illuminating the truth. Many are extremely convincing. Either one is compelled to learn the truth on the matter or finds it irrelevant or "settled science" by the very same "Science Communitah," Academia, and Political Institutions that blatantly lie about Gender, Climate Change, Vaccines, Chemtrails, Illuminati/Luciferians/Satanists, Tesla, Natural Healing, NASA hoaxing, Politics, "Education," etc, etc. FWIW... The same "Modern" astronomy, cosmology, archaeology, and the "laws of sciences" which we've all been taught/indoctrinated in public schools as "gospel-science" have actually been nothing but...HYPOTHESES, which have been PURPOSELY WRONG, SLOPPY, and SHAM. Ping, I've recently read 5 books on the subject from contemporaries of Darwin and Einstein published between 1865-1922; basically contemporaries of all those who steamrolled their respective hypotheses of "Gravity" (Newton), Evolution (Darwin), Heliocentrism (Copernicus), Relativity (Einstein), Nebularism, aka "Sphere-ism" (Kant). Guess what? These foundations of "modern science" wind up as unproveable theoretical BS back then; And still unprovable theory NOW. That means "they've"knowingly been deceiving the world with layers of lies. For those like you who may eschew scriptural support on the subject of "Flat" or Plane Earthly realm, one particular book addresses all of the above, based only examining actual observable science: 'Kings Dethroned' Author: Gerrard Hickson https://www.amazon.com/Kings-Dethroned-History-Evolution-Astronomy/dp/1407691384 Einstein's "Relativism" is especially interesting in that his theory (yes, even HE admitted it could NOT be proven) was cooked up specifically to disprove the Michelson-Morley experiment which proved the earth is NOT SPINNING (look it up.) So...If the earth is not actually spinning, it destroys all the other theories on sphere-earth, geocentricism, gravity, a "Light Years" universe etal. Again -- THE definitive RECOMMENDED BOOK ON THIS ENTIRE SUBJECT: 'Kings Dethroned' Author: Gerrard Hickson Other highly recommended books (written and published back when knowledge wasn't censored or controlled by the PTB). To Believers: These book WILL ALSO consider Biblical/Divine authority and reference as to the shape and description of our Eealm and Firmament: Zetetic Astronomy -- Earth is Not a Globe Samuel Birley Rowbotham Terra Firma: the Earth Not a Planet, Proved from Scripture, Reason, and Fact David Wardlaw Scott The Greatest Lie on Earth: Proof That Our World Is Not a Moving Globe Edward Hendrie I found it amazing that Science and scientists were already so well in tune and familiar with and to natural earthly "laws" and our realm. Moreover -- unbeknownst to us today -- at the time (1880-1920) a very large battle waged over ALL these theories and whether or not they should be considered true and "Science." (The PTB at the time won that battle, obviously.) Einstein's sham 'Theory of Relativity' save the day for Fake Science. ***FINAL NOTE The 'Flat Earth Society' is CONTROLLED OPPOSITION, so dismiss it fully. Make absolutely no sense. WHY would NASA need CGI help when they've supposedly traveled back and forth to the moon FIVE times AND allegedly sent up a bazillion "satellites" with which they could/should/would ave taken a gazillion CLEAR, PRECISE PHOTOS? Moreover, why couldn't the alleged "Hubbell" telescope have turned toward Earth AND the Moon and take crystal clean photos of both from every angle possible?? That's fine, as long as it's understood that evidence is not proof. Finding a footprint of a unique shoe belonging to someone is evidence the person was there, but not proof. I'll take the first one in the video: The horizon always appears flat regardless of altitude. This is a subjective, non-quantifiable assertion. Counter arguments say curvature IS observable at airline altitude provided weather conditions allow sufficient view. Maybe it is not easy to dismiss but if so, it's because of the subjective nature of the "proof", which in this case I wouldn't even call evidence. It's an argument only, and easily dismissed as a flat earth evidence because it is a subjective claim. When a video titled "200 proofs" starts off with an argument that is of such low grade subjectiveness, it really lowers one's expectations as to the other 199, and sitting through them tries one's patience. Any other of the 200 that are similarly subjective can be easily dismissed for the same reason, but if you want, pick out 2 or 3 you think are the most compelling and I'll address them. Well, I like that one in part because it's not in the least subjective. It's completely 100% quantifiable and doesn't rely on anything NASA says or does or has done. It does not rely on any pictures, videos that may have been edited or allegedly edited, or disputed observations or witnesses that may or may not be telling the truth. There are no models of the sun and moon moving around in circles over a flat earth to maybe explain it. The flat earth argument needs to counter this by saying the flights are either fake, airlines are capable of > 2x the speed of sound, or some space worm hole exists that air traffic flies through en route. I see it as "checkmate" evidence against flat earth. Sorry, but I don't have time or patience to acquire & read whole books on an idea that doesn't even get to first base as there are no shortage of ideas that fail to do that. Let me see it get to first or second base.
Here on earth, two pillars of Verazano bridge are perpendicular. Two pillars are inch and half further apart at top than base's. Curvature of earth measured.
One can clearly see the curvature of the Earth looking out across Lake Michigan from the Sears Tower (or whatever it's called these days). I know, I have done it.
“I am not one of those weak-spirited, sappy Americans who want to be liked by all the people around them. I don’t care if people hate my guts; I assume most of them do. The important question is whether they are in a position to do anything about it. My affections, being concentrated over a few people, are not spread all over Hell in a vile attempt to placate sulky, worthless shits.” - William S Burroughs
I trust the calculations, but it doesn't work well as a counter to flat earth. Reason: Have you verified this difference? Do you know anyone who has? Can those claims be trusted? Maybe the difference is due to construction anomalies and not earth curvature? E.g. are these pillars the same width at the bottom as they are at the top? Are they perfectly vertical? Lots of room for counter arguments.
I would trust they had good Engineers who knew what they were doing. Remember too that they told Christopher Columbus if he sailed west he would fall off the end of the Earth. No such thing happened. But when they sited land and stepped foot on it, they called it San Salvadore. We know exactly where that island is in the Caribbean today. ;) "When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke
I trust Ping is funning us. Thousands of years ago, the builders of the Great Pyramids were well aware of earth curvature. Something the engineers that built the Verazano bridge drew on their ORIGINAL plans. The inch or two was present AT CONCEPT.
Not at all. If a flat earther claimed the columns of this bridge were, in fact, parallel thus proving the earth is flat, all the points I raised could/would be claimed to rebut the claim. Even if the columns were perfectly parallel, none of us round-earthers would accept it as proof the earth is flat, so I would expect flat earthers to similarly discount claims about these columns NOT being parallel as evidence the earth is round. I've no doubt earth curvature was taken into account by the bridge designers when drawing up the plans. Longer bridges in the world have done the same. But it doesn't mean a 1.5 inch margin of error for construction of a bridge that size would be outside acceptable tolerances. I don't know. For all we know, considering the foundation, the columns could be leaning slightly one way or the other by that tiny amount. If you want to give a flat-earther something they have a hard time challenging, you have to do better than presenting this bridge as evidence.
Ping... The inch and a half was on the drawing boards BEFORE THE BRIDGE WAS BUILT. The ancients knew it before they laid the foundations for their pyramids.Without looking how did they "level" for the foundation over such an expanse?
Well said. You would have to do much better than that, because anyone suffering from the flat-earthism psychosis is unlikely to be susceptible to logic, facts, and reason.
Cyni... I believe you. But if you want to debate and argue effectively, you have to present points that won't be subject to challenge by the person you're debating. If a flat-earther says "prove it" in response to the above, will you be able to? No. Prove it. To find out what's level over a large distance, they could have easily just dug a long trench and filled it with water. Water not flowing will reveal the exact same altitude on both ends. But the point is not that you're right. The point is being able to **defend** being right. Presenting points you cannot defend and substantiate is worthless in a debate, even if the points are true.
Power lines over Lake Pontchartrain elegantly demonstrate the curvature of Earth “I am not one of those weak-spirited, sappy Americans who want to be liked by all the people around them. I don’t care if people hate my guts; I assume most of them do. The important question is whether they are in a position to do anything about it. My affections, being concentrated over a few people, are not spread all over Hell in a vile attempt to placate sulky, worthless shits.” - William S Burroughs
Prove what?
Ancients perhaps were more observant and able to think than some. Very young, stood on high cliff on a small island, an adjacent island was visible. Down on the beach, the other island was gone. Two things were possible, the other island had sunk in the ocean, OR the earth WAS ROUND. Back on the cliff, damned island was back.
The ancients solved problems like how to move massive rocks of dozens of tons using only manual labor -- an art pretty much lost just due to inventions making the old ways obsolete. But sometimes more credit is given to them than is due. In South America, there's an ancient stone ruin, and it marks the exact equator. But that doesn't mean they understood the earth was round. Instead, they likely discovered the coriolis effect when water drains, rotating clockwise or counterclockwise depending on which side of the equator it was on, and after experimenting some found the equator (which can be done within a few inches or a foot, amazingly enough). So they decided to make a monument to this very special line without understanding what it really was. Possibly all the while believing, for all we know, that the earth was flat.
Remember they told Christopher Columbus if he sailed west he would fall off the end of the Earth. He did it anyway. The island he landed on is called San Salvador. He thought he had sailed to China. The New World turned out to be much more than any of them expected. ;) "When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke
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Columbus sailed with his uncles Templar maps. He always knew he would land somewhere the fear of falling off the edge and/or proving the earth round is a wives tale for kids,.. Now expanding earth theory. Nobody look into that. I FORBID YOU. Expanding earth theory is hogwash bullshit. Fucking flat earth theory has more merit than expanding earth. Only stars expand not planets, never planets. DO NOT LOOK THIS UP I FORBID IT. ______________________________________ Suspect all media / resist bad propaganda/Learn NLP everyday everyway ;) If you don't control your mind someone else will.
From what I've looked up the simple answer seems to be water. Simple lock and dams we don't want to credit the old world with. It ain't such an crazy and hard to understand concept but for some reason academia doesn't want to acknowledge it.... maybe they feel that their is more money in ALIENS ALIENS EVERYWHERE or who knows it's a mystery. Mystery everywhere... pls give be more moneies.
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This from Aristotle a few years ago... """In his book On the Heavens, he wrote: "Again, our observations of the stars make it evident, not only that the Earth is circular, but also that it is a circle of no great size. For quite a small change of position to south or north causes a manifest alteration of the horizon." In other words, you see different sets of stars in the night sky depending on where you are. The sky over the northern hemisphere is not the same as the sky over the southern hemisphere. If the Earth was flat, then at any given time we would all see the same stars, and we don't.""" Very young I saw islands appear and disappear with altitude. I was as smart as Aristotle. Well close anyway.
There is no flat earth explanation for why a compass works, why the stars are different in the northern hemisphere and the southern hemisphere, why revolve around the celestial poles, why they people can't see the Eiffel tower and the Himalayas from a mountain top using a telescope, why the motions of the planets are predictable, etc... You'd have to erase any intelligence, logic, or rational thought a person has for them to believe in a flat earth. It's as if they are scared of the vastness of the universe and need to shrink it down to something they can accept. What do you think is the purpose of explorers and scientists throughout history of plotting to trick you, Liberator, into thinking the earth is a sphere where in reality we're all riding on the back of a huge turtle?
If you can't understand the most fundamental concepts of motion, you have no business even mentioning Einstein. A compass could potentially still work. While it's not possible to have only a north pole without a south pole, the south pole could be centered well below a flat earth disk. I hesitate to mention that as I don't want the mention to be construed as supporting flat earthism, but I do like to let facts speak for themselves. I think they may say the stars are much closer to the earth. Maybe a couple hundred miles up. That would give a different north vs south hemisphere view. Though the next problem is that the people in the S hemisphere would see stars whizzing through the sky at, well, astronomical speeds. I guess a time lapse video of the stars moving in a circular manner over the "fake" south pole would/should throw a monkey wrench into the theory. For a number of these things flat earthers have various theories concocted. Challenging those theories just takes you on a journey down the rabbit hole. Theories can be modified to be compatible with problematic observations. My theory is that the human mind has a greatly underestimated ability to believe things that are not true. Massively underestimated. It's the reason why some Muslims blow themselves up, why people hate Trump so much, why countries are largely one specific religion over vast periods of time, and so on. It's a basis for deception something we are all subject to and I don't consider anyone immune, including myself.
That is why I referenced 200 'Proofs' as "Evidences" instead. ;-) I'll take the first one in the video: The horizon always appears flat regardless of altitude. This is a subjective, non-quantifiable assertion. Counter arguments say curvature IS observable at airline altitude provided weather conditions allow sufficient view. I have been there, done that...while living near the ocean most of my life... ARE perceptions "quantitative"?? Probably. Many observations or perceptions wind up as "subjective." However, with the objective preponderance of evidence, the weight of "proof" becomes more decisive. And that is exactly what Eric Dubay accomplishes here (add the weight of others, and the truth of our realm become even more obvious.) All that said, yes, true. There are "Counter-arguments" that will indeed claim curvature. Might this be a matter of the vast power of suggestion to any degree? The ocean has always looked level to me, tapering into a very slight curve at either end of both directions at the far left and far right of the horizon. In retrospect, it was THAT weak supposed observation and power of suggestion that helped convince myself that maybe the earth was "round." I was never fully convinced. When a video titled "200 proofs" starts off with an argument that is of such low grade subjectiveness, it really lowers one's expectations as to the other 199, and sitting through them tries one's patience. Really? One "proof" into this vid and you've already concluded the following 199 "proofs" are weak? That's a mistake. He crushes it. Dubay dismantles one "scientific" myth/assumption after another. Right till the very end. He even explains the probable identity & cites motivation in the last 10 minutes. Dubay's "200 Proofs" reinforce those legit doubts (IF you or anyone else actually and patiently watches. If so, you'll discover his point-by-point case of deception vs truths are absolutely and devastatingly effective.) Water ALWAYS remains level is does not curve. PROVEN. 70% of this realm is water, ergo, what are we to conclude? I'm not going to try and convince you or anyone else of something you just don't care about on a point by point basis -- Dubay covers the subject well. Either one concedes and realizes this world is about deception or they don't; There are indeed truths the world's PTB/Elites don't and never want us to know or discover. (And YES, they DO control "knowledge.") FWIW I have flown and watched countless hours of actual flights and views. Flat. A flat horizon ALWAYS rises to the eye. If there is any perceived "curve," it seems always to be a slight one at the far edges of the respective 180 degrees. Any other of the 200 that are similarly subjective can be easily dismissed for the same reason, but if you want, pick out 2 or 3 you think are the most compelling and I'll address them. Thanks for trying to be fair & open-minded to even that degree. Respect. But honestly and objectively? At least 150 of Dubay's "Proofs" are "compelling". Seriously. Investigating this subject or any truth isn't for everyone. Many actually do not want to know THE truth. (The question or rather answer with respect to our earthly realm is the Mother of ALL of the PTB Lies. That is why such a "silly(!!)" "Flat Earth" subject is publicly targeted as "dangerous" and heavily censored by G00gle/YouTube head, Susan Wojcicki -- as well as most Scientism cults. Yes, "Scientism" is a religion.) Sorry, but I don't have time or patience to acquire & read whole books on an idea that doesn't even get to first base as there are no shortage of ideas that fail to do that. I specifically mentioned those books precisely because its authors debunk and disprove the very "scientific" foundations for Globe Earth belief in the first place. Copernicus (Heliocentrism), Newton (Gravity), Einstein (Relativity) ALL admitted their respective theories were merely "possible"; NOT "proven.") Their hypotheses, wishful thinking and assumptions didn't stop the "Science" institutions (controlled by Masons/Talmudics/Luciferians/Illuminati) from claiming it so. With respect to NASA, it is an obvious massive and epic theatrical/technical deception & fail. Which is why rejection of the "Moon Landings" are another subject considered "dangerous" by G00gle, YT, the Trekkies, the de Grasse-Tysons, and MSM. It destroys their sci-fi fantasies. Place a straight piece of paper over the horizon... Is it absolutely straight? (btw, does this photo of these lines taken via telescopic lens seem to be dramatically distorting this perspective?) IF you're interested, In '200 Proofs', 1:50 in, Dubay explains and addressed how curvature is rarely if ever considered by rail & canal engineers. With respect to bridges, the curvature formula (8" sq per mile) is actually taken into account, but it is by far the exception, dismissed totally by the vast majority of engineers. Worth while questions. Calculations that consider the supposed curvature via formula is an allowance rarely taken into account by engineers. Curvature may have been assumed regarding the Verazano-Narrows bridge...but wasn't necessary. The water below it is LEVEL. Upon whose claim do you cite evidence for either "curvature" OR the actual Pyramid construction methodology? Absolutely true. 1.5" in the context of a 50,000 inch-long bridge can easily be accounted for as matter of being far within an acceptable tolerance of engineering accuracy. The waters on one side of the narrows from the other of course are the same: Level. Honestly? We don't know. Try watching and listening to the video. Condemnation before investigation is the highest form of ignorance. Exactly. Water = Level. (which is just one powerful, singular reason the Globe Earth model can forcefully be challenged.) We can only assume the huge stones of the pyramids were moved via manual labor... Some folks who've dug deep (no pun intended) have theorized/discovered that THE "art" that was used to moved the stone was... "Levitation." It would require knowledge of utilizing the earth's magnetism or other means. Some folks also say that this type of knowledge (as well as some hi tech knowledge of today) is some of the 'Fallen Angel' "secret" knowledge/tech that was originally restricted by God. (I realize this is a whole different tangent.) Is it absolutely straight? Go to observation deck on Willis (Sears) Tower and look out over Lake Michigan, the curvature is readily apparent. “I am not one of those weak-spirited, sappy Americans who want to be liked by all the people around them. I don’t care if people hate my guts; I assume most of them do. The important question is whether they are in a position to do anything about it. My affections, being concentrated over a few people, are not spread all over Hell in a vile attempt to placate sulky, worthless shits.” - William S Burroughs
It appears you've delved into quite a bit of "alternative" history yourself. If Antarctica has never actually been explored (as per Admiral Byrd's TV testimony, c.1954), then no one actually knows with any certainty exactly the extent of land and what lies within the interior of that alleged "continent." As you and others might realize, ALL movement to Antarctica is strictly controlled and restricted as per a global 1959 treaty... WHICH INCLUDED THE USSR. Saw the vid. Looked at many other vids as well as a comparison. NOT convincing. Btw I live near the ocean. I see a level horizon. Always have. If there's any "curve" it's minute and tapers at the very far ends of either 180 degree direction. Standing at sea level does not give a wide enough view to perceive curvature, the horizon is only 7 miles distant.
“I am not one of those weak-spirited, sappy Americans who want to be liked by all the people around them. I don’t care if people hate my guts; I assume most of them do. The important question is whether they are in a position to do anything about it. My affections, being concentrated over a few people, are not spread all over Hell in a vile attempt to placate sulky, worthless shits.” - William S Burroughs
AND...you "know" this BECAUSE...??? I find that statement as well as other ironic given your quote of Orwell. Maybe you should ponder what he said about those who were and still are able to "control" the past, present and future. (and what you, I, and others think is "proven history, proven science, proven political fact.") These same Orwellian "Controllers" wouldn't manipulate the narrative and truths of this world to support their own subversive agenda....OR...would they?? "Condemnation before investigation is the highest form of ignorance." If you're standing mid-ocean with a 360 degree view, are you able to see what would theoretically be a 28 mile radius? If so, would that provide a wide enough view of level horizon in your opinion? Moreover, exactly at what point does water start "curving? Not sure, but I don't recall noticing curvature from water level, only from skyscraper or plane.
“I am not one of those weak-spirited, sappy Americans who want to be liked by all the people around them. I don’t care if people hate my guts; I assume most of them do. The important question is whether they are in a position to do anything about it. My affections, being concentrated over a few people, are not spread all over Hell in a vile attempt to placate sulky, worthless shits.” - William S Burroughs
"Explorers"? You mean the ones who "explored the continent of Antarctica"? Please tell me -- who were they?? Scientists. You mean the ones who insist that there are more than two genders? The scientists who claim "Global Warming"? I am going to go out on a limb here and say you know very little about either Earth "Exploration" OR "Science" -- but "know" a whole LOT about "Interplantetary Travel" and "Space Exploration." Fine. Please explain ANY "fundamental concept of motion." And while you're at it, exactly what did I claim about Einstein that you object to? Thanks... I respect your own eyes, your own perspective.
If you're interested... At about the 2:53 mark of "200 Proofs" you'll find the author start explaining the scientific dynamics of water, bridges, rail, perspective...(It's just a few minutes, but germane to the subject) Condemnation before investigation is the highest form of ignorance. I have already investigated the flat earth question. I do not need to watch a 2 hour video asserting that water is dry in order to remain legitimately confident that water is really wet. Especially when I took a shower that very morning, and needed a towel when I got out.
Why are wasting everyone's time and forum space with this nonsense? I can only guess that your are either an idiot or some kind of a plant endeavoring to make Christians look ignorant and anti-science. If you really believe this nonsense, book a flight that flies above 30,000 feet and look out the window, or take a pair of binoculars or a small telescope down to the sea on a clear day and watch a ship sail away from your position. How so? I do not need to watch a 2 hour video asserting that water is dry in order to remain legitimately confident that water is really wet. Especially when I took a shower that very morning, and needed a towel when I got out. Thanks for letting me know who NOT to take seriously, that sentience and truth is not a major priority in life. Why are YOU wasting MY time by posting this blather to me? I didn't ping you. Go back to sleep. Or watch an ISS "Live" feed of bad CGI and the comically obvious fish-eye lens of "earth." There's no need to seek truth beyond that which jeopardizes your Dewey/Rockefeller/Masonic indoctrination programming and obedience training. I've noted that since 2016 you have been trying to enlighten your fellow forum members with truth about our realm. I tip my cap to you! Well done. +1000 You were ahead of your time. And yes, once you seek and see the Truth, there is no returning. I also noted that The Usual Suspects were always the first to ridicule you as you were simply presenting Truth. And were here on THIS thread. Shame on them. Some people -- no matter how intelligent -- do not and will not ever admit that they have been bamboozled their entire lives with THE Mother of ALL Lies, backed up by Masonic/Talmudic lies regarding Heliocentrism, Gravity, Earth Movement, Evolution, and of course, Einstein's phony theory of "Relativity." There is no longer any excuse to ignore Truth. The Bible is the very first "Flat Earth" book; Flat Earth is proven via observation, by common sense, by REAL science. What a happy coincidence!
That is certainly the most intelligent observation in this whole thread and a for sure keeper.
I watched the second one. He claims that as one gains altitude, the horizon should be noticably lower than it is at sea level. This is stated while showing a video from a serious rocket climbing 50k or 100k feet, which in fact shows the horizon dropping lower contrary to his claim that it doesn't appear to do that. Placing my mouse on the horizon shows that it drops away. So the narrator is ignoring his own evidence. #3 Water does not have a perfectly flat surface, but it's certainly close enough to be called "level" when dealing with water in a bathtub or even a lake. When I said previously that a long trench would have water at the same altitude on both ends, that does not mean "level" as water surface would indeed follow the earth's curviture. The narrator false asserts this notion that water always seeks a "level" surface to mean perfectly flat, and never proves it, instead simply exploiting the common notion that water surfaces are flat to suggest that ocean surfaces are also flat. That is simply not the case and is a disingenuous argument. Even a glass of water has a curved water surface due to earth's curvature, though it would be very hard to detect or measure. #4 doesn't even make the slightest amount of sense. Maybe you can explain why he thinks the Gulf of Mexico is 11 miles higher than the American mid-west?
We know that New Orleans is mostly below sea level. If the Gulf were higher than the mid-west there would be a lot of ground under water that is not now. ;) "When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke
Of course. Seems the narrator in the video is claiming that if the earth was a sphere that the Gulf of Mexico would have to be 11 miles hire than the Mississippi plains, ergo the earth can't be a sphere. But I have no idea why he says the gulf must be 11 miles higher. I guess they call that a strawman argument.
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But IS it? And what to? You decide. FWIW, I watched your entire video...(and ironically noted the flat horizons in the background as well as the globe prop.) I do appreciate your research in this case...But know this -- Truth is being heavily censored and/or buries DEEP so that the average person can not find it easily. Here is reality. (You'll appreciate the hard number measurements and geometry.) This man is NOT standing at the actual "Geographical South Pole." Please note the placement of respective 'Ceremonial' AND 'Geographical' "SOUTH POLE." Thank you for at least checking those out... There's a misunderstanding of Dubay's "uphill" comment... Brief, simple experiment: Hold a ball at eye level. Run your finger from mid-ball up to the top. (It seems as though you are moving "up" along the ball, right? The Gulf of Mexico conundrum is explained via "Science's" own supposed 'Curvature' formula based on the supposed 25,000 circumference. Without understanding this formula as a reference, the "uphill" comment by Dubay makes little sense. (Below): UNIVERSAL EARTH CURVATURE FORMULA http://luuksteitner.nl/testing-the-earths-curvature/ The idea is simple: If you move further outwards, the surface of the Earth drops: As listed on this table, moving 10 miles outwards would result in a 66 feet drop: I would expect the problem with this approach would be obvious to anyone, but it turns out it isn’t. So let me explain: When are a looking at a distant object located on the globe, we are not looking in the direction parallel to the globe, but a bit downwards, directly at the object: This means we are not looking at the actual drop of the Earth’s surface between the spectator and the building, but we need to look at the height of the curvature between them: This obstacle height determines how much we can see of the target. I could give you one formula to calculate this height, but given the bad experience with the method the Flat Earthers use, I’ll take you through the calculations step by step so it can be understood. To calculate the obstacle height, we need to be at the middle between the spectator and target and in stead of the Earth’s radius calculate the distance from the center of the globe to this flat line. Then, the difference between the Earth’s radius and the distance to this flat line will give us the obstacle height. One can't trust the claims in this video. He simply makes claims about the various distances. The cerimonial and geographic south pole are reputed to only be a short distance apart, and they are that because the ice on which both are place shifts a few feet per month.
I read this explanation, and it seems it's not complete. I still have no idea why the gulf of Mexico needs to be 11 miles higher than the Mississippi plains on a global earth model.
Intelligent people knew the earth was a sphere well before Orwell was born. Apparently you've never studied history, just as you've never studied math or science. Moreover, exactly at what point does water start "curving? Water always follows the curvature of the earth. If you were a bacteria on a basketball, at what point would the ball start to "curve"? youtu.be/INhCw52M3WM And But don't watch these two videos. Don't question plate tectonics. Man, don't even think about using common logic. The academic gate keepers have given us all the truth of everything and it would be better to discuss flat earth before one even considers the validity of expanding earth. ______________________________________ Suspect all media / resist bad propaganda/Learn NLP everyday everyway ;) If you don't control your mind someone else will.
"Explorers"? You mean the ones who "explored the continent of Antarctica"? Please tell me -- who were they?? You throw out strawmen dude. Many people have gone to Antarctica, use Google if you're interested in who discovered it. I'm talking about people such as Ferdinand Magellan Ferdinand Magellan (/mYÈa[lYn/[1] or /mYÈd’[lYn/;[2] Portuguese: Fernão de Magalhães, IPA: [fh~ÈnPw dh mPcPÈŽPjƒ]; Spanish: Fernando de Magallanes, IPA: [fe~Ènando ðe macaÈŽanes]; c. 1480 – 27 April 1521) was a Portuguese explorer who organised the Spanish expedition to the East Indies from 1519 to 1522, resulting in the first circumnavigation of the Earth, completed by Juan Sebastián Elcano. Apparently you've never heard of him. Do you believe in airplanes and boats? They have frequently traveled across the globe. If the earth was flat as you believe, boats would have fallen off long ago, and airplanes would have been able to see where the edges were. Additionally, navigation would be impossible since all charts and headings assume a spherical earth. Scientists. You mean the ones who insist that there are more than two genders? The scientists who claim "Global Warming"? It's only left wing snowflakes, not scientists, that believe that in the same way you flat earthers believe you have it right. Climate change is a racket where SOME paid off individuals repeat what they're told to repeat. The true experts know it's all a hoax. I am going to go out on a limb here and say you know very little about either Earth "Exploration" OR "Science" -- but "know" a whole LOT about "Interplantetary Travel" and "Space Exploration." I'm going to go out on a limb and say you've never attended any type of school. Surprised you know English. Of course you would have no idea of Newton's Laws of Motion. And I seriously doubt you know the difference between Algebra and Calculus. LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I suppose there is no north pole either, eh? Compasses are devices of the devil, right? No matter where you are on the planet, north is still north, and south is still south. You could be in Africa, China, the US, Europe, it doesn't matter. The fastest way to get to Europe from the US would be to travel east. BUT you COULD travel west and STILL get there, it'd just take much longer. You'd have to cross the Pacific, go over Russia, then arrive in Europe. OR you could take the shorter route over the Atlantic and get there faster. Do you think the Pacific Ocean and Russia are fake too? Please explain ANY "fundamental concept of motion." Never heard of Newton's Laws of Motion I take it... From Wiki First law Second law Third law And while you're at it, exactly what did I claim about Einstein that you object to? You said, "Einstein's sham 'Theory of Relativity' save the day for Fake Science. " amongst other laughable remarks you made. You have no idea of what the Theory of Relativity is, so never mind making any sort of claim against it. 193 countries is quite a feat. I've been to 43 of the lower 48 states when driving trucks. Just a few in New England and North and South Dakota and Montana are not on the list. I drove a lot of miles safely over a period of about 15 years. ;) "When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke
I'm glad I did not waste any time watching that video. ;) "When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke
If the Gulf of Mexico were at a higher elevation than the Midwest, the Mississippi River would flow north. “I am not one of those weak-spirited, sappy Americans who want to be liked by all the people around them. I don’t care if people hate my guts; I assume most of them do. The important question is whether they are in a position to do anything about it. My affections, being concentrated over a few people, are not spread all over Hell in a vile attempt to placate sulky, worthless shits.” - William S Burroughs
C'mon bro, all substances can exert friction, including air and water. As an example, hurricane force winds can knock down trees due to friction. Another example, submarines would be able to travel underwater without propulsion once in motion if the water around it didn't slow the submarine down due to friction. A better claim would have been that Death Valley is below sea level, as that would be a true statement. However, the surrounding area is at or above sea level, including the California coastline. Apparently the flat earthers don't understand the fact that the seas are ALL at the same level, that's why sea level is a constant value. Sure, storm surges and tides cause the shorelines to experience minor differences in water heights at the shore, but that's it. All oceans are at the same average level. Ah, Dr. Flat Earth speaks. I KNEW I spotted you claiming you're more brilliant than Einstein somewhere, and I found an example right there. So you don't believe there is a force called gravity eh? LOL!!!!! Explain then what force causes objects to fall to the ground? Is it the devil? What causes a solar or lunar eclipse? Are there elves in the sky that move a huge disk in front of the sun and moon every so often to play games with people on earth? What causes the tides? Is it the devil? Why is air thinner at higher altitudes? The devil? Why can we see planets rotate and revolve around the sun using telescopes, and accurately plot their positions using math and physics? There are so MANY things flat earthers can't explain, those are just a tiny fraction of them. I know, I was being goofy to make a point. There is a reason for the heat shields on craft such as space shuttles. “I am not one of those weak-spirited, sappy Americans who want to be liked by all the people around them. I don’t care if people hate my guts; I assume most of them do. The important question is whether they are in a position to do anything about it. My affections, being concentrated over a few people, are not spread all over Hell in a vile attempt to placate sulky, worthless shits.” - William S Burroughs
I've got to hand it to you, with over 100 replies this is the most successful troll I've ever seen on the 4um. Or it's a prima facie case as to why this country is lost. Who are you again?? zzzzz.... Insecurity and lack of knowledge have always prompted certain posters to claim "TROLL!" OR even "CT!" at forums. You're not special. We've seen this phenomena play out for over 20 years, beginning at Free Republic, where the "Troll" or "CT!" card is still used by those with a losing hand, providing convenient cover for sheer ignorance. At smaller, clique-ish forums like LF or 4um, such claims are sure and loud signs that one is signaling painful obliviousness, and cluelessness. On the other hand... If you were hoping eventually for a few "ATTA BOY!!" pats on the head, your sake, I hope you get the approval you seek from your peers; If you don't, I hope you'll be ok. After a cursory look, there's anecdotal evidence that appears to suggest an "uneven" record of forum contribution from a slightly noisy, boring poster named, 'Anthem'. God knows you've tried... In *your* mind, you've ALL the answers. That's BE-CAUSE...you've/we've all been taught or rather indoctrinated with the very same history, science, math, and especially so-called "TRUTH" in public school, on TV, in Movies, in the Mainstream Media. AND... we know of course THEY wouldn't lie to you or me or all of us. OR WOULD THEY? Everyone has an agenda. Everyone lies -- especially those in power. Worst than that -- these PTB worship power & control at ANY expense. If you agree, this mean higher knowledge & true history must necessarily be hidden and reserved for those who control the levers and systems of this realm. It is indeed being proven -- that is IF one seeks it. On the otherhand, if you are perfectly content with your current status quo and state of awareness and "truth" (as contemporary society's high priests of institutional "knowledge" present it), then by all means continue to embrace it. However, by wrapping yourself around your Orwellian quote regarding, "Those who control the past control the future" as well as those who "control the present control the past," -- and truly believe it as your own personal philosophy -- they are two contradictory positions at best, and oblivious at worse. One can NOT be an Orwellian disciple AND still embrace all we are told by the PTB is THE "TRUTH!" Prepare for incoming... :-) Really now?? LOL (Though I admire your fighting spirit -- though reckless as it is.) Explain then what force causes objects to fall to the ground? "Gravity" is NOT a natural force that is proven. But since you believe exactly what you've been told from K-12, please do instruct the class on Newton's Theory, (which is why it is STILL referred to as a "THEORY" and how and why it's not EVER been "proven.") Btw, Neil de Grasse Tyson -- obviously one of your heroes -- was asked to explain "Gravity"; Wanna guess how he answered the question? With respect to: Heliocentrism. PROVE IT. 516 views and rising -- wudidiz, that has got to be some kind of phenomenal RECORD here!
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I don't know what to think on this subject, but hey, gang -- science is supposed to be physically provable and repeatable ;-)
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It's an unexplored subject at most forums. Why? Because is evokes the kind of anger and ridicule Wudidiz (a courageous and true "Truther") and others have endured for having the audacity to challenge institutional lies and fake science. To do so is to cause folks to admit that...for all their lives they been bamboozled. (few want to concede this embarrassment.) Most of these "scientific facts" have been drilled into us from childhood and repeated into adulthood. They comprise the biggest psyops and mind-control programming in world history. Not only is NONE of the above proven, but they are DIS-proven. The biggest challenge is "re-educating" ourselves. (This single subject has caused minds to explode once the lies are exploded and realized. BUT then ...Truth is a beautiful thing.) BINGO. EXACTLY!! It is, my brothah! (Sistah?) Psyops YES, everything is oriented toward stampeding Us The Sheeple off some cliff -- the face cliff, the sex cliff, the history cliff, the basic logic cliff. _____________________________________________________________ USA! USA! USA! Bringing you democracy, or else! there were strains of VD that were incurable, and they were first found in the Philippines and then transmitted to the Korean working girls via US military. The 'incurables' we were told were first taken back to a military hospital in the Philippines to quietly die. – 4um
On the subject of psyops and mind control/programming... How many of us FINALLY realized our own govt has been lying to us on a massive scale? BIG TIME? 911 certainly rings a GIANT bell. How about the USS Liberty? Gulf of Tonkin? And weren't the Korean and Vietnam Wars based on lies? How about BOTH Iraqi wars? How many of us were told, "We're fighting them THERE so we don't have to fight them HERE."? Why won't many admit that it was proven that our PTB fought NOT to win, but to play to a stalemate? So as in the above cases once, again we note that the majority can NOT believe our own govt would either lie to us OR hurt us. TO ADVANCE AGENDAS TO CONTROL US. YET....They do! AS A RULE -- NOT as the exception. NN, I identify as a transgendered, tri-ethnic elf. (before my transition, I was born male ;-P (and you?) Psyops YES, everything is oriented toward stampeding Us The Sheeple off some cliff -- the face cliff, the sex cliff, the history cliff, the basic logic cliff. You get it. Aced across the board. All we can do is discredit and shed the lies we've all been conditioned with while share our discoveries and revelations to our brothers and sisters with hope that Truth spreads and frees them/us. Many will not nor do not welcome their world as they've been told it exists being challenged; Ignorance truly is bliss for most. After two phony World War involvements the sheeple should have seen right through the Gulf of Tonkin fraud, or at least demanded positive proof. And in view of that affair -- 56 YEARS AGO AWREDDY -- they should have slammed the door in the neocons' faces about 9/11, the War Of Terror and the INSTANT creation of the Department of Home Insecurity. They have not one SHRED of defense for falling for any more such shenanigans. _____________________________________________________________ USA! USA! USA! Bringing you democracy, or else! there were strains of VD that were incurable, and they were first found in the Philippines and then transmitted to the Korean working girls via US military. The 'incurables' we were told were first taken back to a military hospital in the Philippines to quietly die. – 4um
Oh, so objects don't fall to the ground if dropped? You're saying it's a man made force? LOL!!!! You can do your own experiment. Drop your cellphone over hard concrete and see if it floats... Prove that you're a real person and not a troll. As far as the planets orbiting the sun, buy yourself a telescope and educate yourself. Everyone has an agenda. Everyone lies -- I'm not sure if you're really the scatter brained anti-science whacko you pretend to be here, or if you're a troll that purposely acts like a nutjob in order to discredit everything else you say, as well as those who agree with you on other topics via guilt by association. I see you appear rational and well-versed on most other topics, so I have to assume the latter. Nobody with a working brain cell can be the fervent religious zealot you appear to be on this topic. And of course, if anything you claim here were true, there would be no 4um as computers wouldn't exist, since ALL science in your mind is fake. If it weren't for the advanced understanding of math and physics, not only would semiconductors not exist, in fact, we'd be at 15th century level. You would still be riding horses instead of driving in cars. In fact, the United States wouldn't exist since nobody would have been able to find their way here across the Atlantic Ocean, and even if they accidently did, they'd never be able to get here using known and proven navigation techniques. As far as modern technology, the very fact most if not all cellphones have GPS technology disproves the notion of a flat earth, since the phone will give you your precise location no matter where you are on the planet, even if the nearest cell tower is 1000 miles or more out of range, since GPS uses SATELLITES. Since I can't believe you really ARE that stupid, what IS your agenda here on 4um? Apparently you admit that YOU lie and have an agenda, as you include yourself in the phrase, "everybody lies". There's no reason for scientists to lie about proven and well understood concepts know for hundreds of years. You apparently have a reason to do so however. I see you appear rational and well-versed on most other topics, so I have to assume the latter. That's the way I have him figured.
The Flat Earthers Are Being Sent Into Every Real Truth Movement To Disrupt And Destroy Them
That's interesting, thanks.
And in view of that affair -- 56 YEARS AGO AWREDDY -- they should have slammed the door in the neocons' faces about 9/11, the War Of Terror and the INSTANT creation of the Department of Home Insecurity. It's taken a while, but thanks to the internet, all kinds of damning proof of the gummint's theater and deception for the last 50 years is getting exposed. FINALLY. But ...there IS some bad news too, isn't there? Unbelievably, the vast majority are STILL giving Uncle Sam the benefit of doubt on all their historical revisionism and agenda... In the wake of 911 came the bogus WoT, and the completely illegal, phony "INSTANT creation of the Department of Home Insecurity". And... HOW in the world did the 'Patriot Act' even pass enactment & approval when it wasn't even read by members of Congress?? They have not one SHRED of defense for falling for any more such shenanigans. True dat. And despite all the truth out there online, how are supposedly "woke" people STILL not seeing an outlaw gummint who is destroying the USCON? Who've been telegraphing and creating phony wars and bogeymen? But why? Maybe... Cognitive Dissonance. Mind-Control/Programming. Propaganda content coming up first by search engines. Wishful Thinking. Ignorance. Trolls. Whoa, Cowboy. You may want to ratchet down your 'tude a bit. It's only a forum. Nobody's gonna hurt you. The arch-scum used the oldest trick in the book: pressing the "foreign threat" or "Hitler of the year" button. _____________________________________________________________ USA! USA! USA! Bringing you democracy, or else! there were strains of VD that were incurable, and they were first found in the Philippines and then transmitted to the Korean working girls via US military. The 'incurables' we were told were first taken back to a military hospital in the Philippines to quietly die. – 4um
Lol@ ""Hitler of the year"... For how long is this "Hitler!!" BS going to be weaponized by the Insane Left/MSM/Dems? (For that matter, the weaponizing of "anti-Semite!!" "Homophobe!!" "Xenophobe!!" etc? NN, looks like the trickster Globalists/Neos *still* think they can trot out their phony intel out of Foggy Bottom and have it sold, no questions asked. Should we expect a retaliatory False Flag -- just so they can say, "SEE? WE TOLD YOU SO!"? Those "Foreign Threat" Cards; "Threat to 'Merican lives" Cards -- Have they ever been regarded with such dis-believability as these days? That's the good news. The bad news: At Free Republic so-called "conservatives" STILL swallowed hard on Pompeo's silly bait on the Irani General hit and ridiculous justification. When I drove the big truck, I was able to use maps to find my way around. Now they have GPS in the trucks. So unless the satellites quit sending and receiving signals it might be pretty difficult to get lost on the road. I had some green kid with me a couple of times and he just could not find his way around. What is the big deal of reading signs so you know where to turn? I bet he is no longer driving trucks. BTW, when the U.S. invaded Iraq, the Iraqis never expected anyone to come out of the desert to the west. But the U.S. tanks had GPS and could find their way around. ;) "When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke
You may want to ratchet down your 'tude a bit. It's only a forum. Nobody's gonna hurt you. I was merely responding to your comments and presenting my observations. Who was talking about anybody hurting someone? It looks like it just goes on forever. If this present Iran nonsense is a turning point, horray for Lemon Man and everybody who ever lobbed some static at him. _____________________________________________________________ USA! USA! USA! Bringing you democracy, or else! there were strains of VD that were incurable, and they were first found in the Philippines and then transmitted to the Korean working girls via US military. The 'incurables' we were told were first taken back to a military hospital in the Philippines to quietly die. – 4um
Thank you
George Orwell's 1984 explains it all, right in your face. Are we not getting this yet ??? 'But how can you control matter?' he burst out. 'You don't even control the climate or the law of gravity. O'Brien silenced him by a movement of his hand. 'We control matter because we control the mind. Reality is inside the skull. You will learn by degrees, Winston. There is nothing that we could not do. Invisibility, levitation -- anything. I could float off this floor like a soap bubble if I wish to. I do not wish to, because the Party does not wish it. You must get rid of those nineteenth-century ideas about the laws of Nature. We make the laws of Nature.' 'But the world itself is only a speck of dust. And man is tiny helpless! How long has he been in existence? For millions of years the earth was uninhabited.' 'Nonsense. The earth is as old as we are, no older. How could it be older? Nothing exists except through human consciousness.' 'But the rocks are full of the bones of extinct animals -- mammoths and mastodons and enormous reptiles which lived here long before man was ever heard of.' 'Have you ever seen those bones, Winston? Of course not. Nineteenth-century biologists invented them. Before man there was nothing. After man, if he could come to an end, there would be nothing. Outside man there is nothing.' 'But the whole universe is outside us. Look at the stars! Some of them are a million light-years away. They are out of our reach for ever.' 'What are the stars?' said O'Brien indifferently. 'They are bits of fire a few kilometres away. We could reach them if we wanted to. Or we could blot them out. The Earth is the centre of the universe. The sun and the stars go round it.' Winston made another convulsive movement. This time he did not say anything. O'Brien continued as though answering a spoken objection: 'For certain purposes, of course, that is not true. When we navigate the ocean, or when we predict an eclipse, We often find it convenient to assume that the earth goes round the sun and that the stars are millions upon millions of kilometres away. But what of it? Do you suppose it is beyond us to produce a dual system of astronomy? The stars can be near or distant, according as we need them. Do you suppose our mathematicians are unequal to that? Have you forgotten doublethink? We know that Pompeo is a neocon. But could you enlighten us on what his "silly bait" was? ;) "When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke
Sure. Globalist Hawk Pompeo sold the "Imminent Threat to American lives" intel real hard as justification for a very public drone strike on the Irani General, but was conspicuously absent on ALL details of when, where, etc. He admitted that it was he and other Neocons who convinced the President that Solemeni MUST be knocked off. OR ELSE. Pompeo when challenged by a reporter, cited ONE American -- a "contractor" aka merc -- who has been killed. Q: Is that really a reason to almost start a major war with Iran? A simple common sense question might be: WTH are our mercs still doing creating havoc in SOMEONE'S ELSE'S sovereign country?? (We sure wouldn't want foreign mercs HERE doing the same thing.) Even IF the evil Solemeini was was plotting and planning -- why not just *quietly* knock him off?? Look - I am a conservative pro-America guy. But no sir -- I will NEVER again believe "Intel" from the very same sources who blatantly lied to get us into TWO wars in Iraq, and now desperate want us to again splatter the Middle East with our sons' blood. Sure does, doesn't it? The war-drums BS is never ending. If this present Iran nonsense is a turning point, horray for Lemon Man and everybody who ever lobbed some static at him. HA! Even a broken clock is right twice a day. WE The Sane are sandwiched between the lunacy of the Hate-America Leftist-Fascism of Lemon Man Inc AND the One World Govt/Neocon Perpetual War Party. You're very welcome. (I'm glad you re-visited after your 200 Proofs post. AMEN!) I thank *YOU* for bringing TRUTH to the table and never giving up. Once you see it, it's glaring, isn't it? It just goes to show how deeply and effectively the programming and mind control of the PTB has been for the last 100+ years. BINGO! Well done. (we've a lot to share) Nice money quotes... Embedded in Orwell's book are all kinds of subtle and not-so-subtle subjects on truth across the spectrum. Since the nineteenth-century, we've trusted allowed the PTB to "control the mind" and thus "control reality" with programmed, counterfeit "ideas." That is EXACTLY what they've done; Perception became "reality" -- backed up by the "Authorities" of institutional pseudo-science AND pseudo-math. And that is where we still stand today, don't we? Mathematicians as well as Science and their "Scientific" methods AND theories are challenged by Orwell. And yes, also challenged: the stars actual distance; The heliocentric model (Geocentricity was THE known realm model consensus for the vast majority of REAL history); Motion; There is a bunch of Truth in your excerpts. I'd posted the following up-thread; There are several helpful books on the subject that I'd recommended that help explain how, why and especially WHEN the West began getting deceived. (Maybe you've read some.) The first one ('Kings Dethroned', Author: Gerrard Hickson) actually delves back into history and dissects/exposes the entire historical/scientifically defective theories (which provide THE basis for today's "Outer Space" House of Cards.) Einstein's fake "Theory of Relativity" and Newton's "Theory of Gravity" are especially debunked thoroughly. 1) 'Kings Dethroned' (Author: Gerrard Hickson, published, 1923) Other highly recommended important books (also written and published back when knowledge wasn't censored or controlled by the PTB) are: 2) Zetetic Astronomy -- Earth is Not a Globe (Samuel Birley Rowbotham) 3) Terra Firma: the Earth Not a Planet, Proved from Scripture, Reason, and Fact (David Wardlaw Scott) 4) The Greatest Lie on Earth: Proof That Our World Is Not a Moving Globe (Edward Hendrie) HEADS UP: The above books ALSO consider Biblical/Divine authority and reference as to the description of our Realm and Firmament and sequence during which God created the Firmament and Cosmos in Genesis. That you already fully understand and embrace the Absolute Truth about our Realm is a great thing! I found it mind-boggling that Science and scientists by 1860s-1920s were already so well in tune and familiar with and to natural earthly "laws" and our actual realm. Moreover -- unbeknownst to us today -- at the time (1880-1920) there was still a major battle being waged over ALL these theories and whether or not they were indeed "proven" rather than just "theories." Well, Wudidiz -- we know who ultimately won that philosophical/psychological war, don't we... The GOOD news: THE Truth is spreading. Chyeah, right. Lol -- Is that why you posted and disseminated someone's else's propagandist lies at Post #121? (The Flat Earthers Are Being Sent Into Every Real Truth Movement To Disrupt And Destroy Them) You have been posting several Red Herrings and Strawmen arguments of phantom questions and issues. Lame. SO VERY lame. And somehow you actually expect me to take you seriously? Naah. No thanks. Even if I don't agree with someone, I still respect an honest, sincere debate. You're just not capable. I will not ever respect an obvious troll with an agenda, a bleating Gatekeeper of Institutional Lies, a shill of/for Disinfo. Truth isn't even on your radar. I hate ameriKa, because...... _____________________________________________________________ USA! USA! USA! Bringing you democracy, or else! there were strains of VD that were incurable, and they were first found in the Philippines and then transmitted to the Korean working girls via US military. The 'incurables' we were told were first taken back to a military hospital in the Philippines to quietly die. – 4um
Heh...amusing lyrics (music is meh ;-)
"Our eyes and ears tell us the Earth is flat and motionless, everything in the sky revolves around us but when we cease to believe our own eyes and experience we have to prostrate ourselves at the feet of the of the very pseudo scientists who are blinding us treat them as experts. Astronomical priests who have special knowledge only they can access like the Hubble telescope. So by brainwashing us of something so gigantic and fundamental it actually makes every other kind of lesser indoctrination a piece a cake, earth being the flat earth center of the universe of which everything else and the heavens revolve, gives special importance and significance not only to earth but to us humans, the most intelligent of the designer's designs. By turning earth into a spinning, thrown around the Sun, shot into infinite space from a God-less big bang, they turned humanity into a random meaningless, purposeless accident of a blind dumb universe. So it’s like trauma based mind control beating the divinity out of us with their mental manipulations. Now people are always asking us “why do they do this?”, Well other than the obvious profit margin motive, NASA being the biggest black hole, big budget in existence, sucking in more than $30 Billion in tax payer dollars for the fake Moon landing alone, and nowadays hundreds of billions of dollars, not just NASA but RASA, and all the other fake space organizations around the world giving CGI Images costing hundreds of billions of dollars. So this modern atheistic, Big Bang, heliocentric globe earth, chance evolution, paradigm spiritually controls humanity by removing God or any sort of intelligent design from the mind and replaces purposeful divine creation with haphazard random cosmic coincidence. And so by removing Earth from the motionless center of the universe these Masons have moved us physically and metaphysically from a place of supreme importance to one of complete nihilistic indifference. If the Earth is the center of the Universe then the ideas of God's creation and a purpose for human existence are resplendent, but if the Earth is just one of billions of planets revolving around billions of stars and billions of galaxies then the ideas of God creations and a specific purpose of for Earth and human existence become highly implausible. By surreptitiously indoctrinating us into their scientific materialist sun worship, not only do we lose faith beyond the material we gain absolute faith in materiality, superficiality, social status, selfishness, hedonism and consumerism. If there is no God and everyone is just an accident then all that really matters is me, me, me. So they’ve turned Madonna, the Mother of God into the material girl living in a material world. Their rich powerful corporations with their slick sun cult logos sell us idols to worship, slowly taking over the world while we tacitly believe their science, vote for their politicians, buy their products, listen to their music, watching their movies, all sacrificing our souls at the altar of materialism. It’s a big deception. I'd say it's the biggest cover-up and conspiracy in history. We've been completely deluded for 500 years." ~ Eric Dubay Fake Moon landing yes! And isn't it liberating to know it. Love that gold foil -- real purty ;)
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Well done. Eric Dubay unveils THE truth, the motivation, the deception, the illusion. "It’s a big deception. I'd say it's the biggest cover-up and conspiracy in history. We've been completely deluded for 500 years." ~ Eric Dubay If I could give this statement-summary by Eric Dubay a million thumbs up, I would. "200 Proofs..." has nearly a million views. WHILE BURIED by YouTube's algorithms. AND, Dubay's YT site has been removed. What's that tell us? That knowledge is purposely being hidden. Who buries "crazy ideas"? And why? Amazing. Wudidiz -- since you'd discovered the truth and deceptions by the PTB about the earth since what? 2016?, you've no doubt watched the panic by YouTube as it tried to hide & bury all the "Flat" earth videos. Very frustrating. Especially for noobs. Only the most determined would find them. Yet...they ARE still there. The big changes in algorithm "suggestions" over the summer meant ONLY videos mocking, ridiculing and lying about "Flat Earth"-Globe Earth emerged on the sidebar. NOT real or actual info. So if the curious want to know the truth about our realm, one or two simple clicks will NOT do. Censoring Machine YT has become a joke. I watched that vid; Very good, quite thorough. NASA's creative license was sloppy beyond words. Stanley Kubrick must have been fired before the final product was released. I predict ALL the "Apollo" videos will be "lost" soon (just like the supposed "telemetry" and "data" and "knowledge" that allowed NASA to allegedly "go to the moon" and back 5 times.) Bad Hoaxing. It's hard to believe anyone with an analytical eye and brain still believes the NASA "Moon Landings." (Or most any govt agency at face value.) SUGGESTED: Watch the 'Capricorn One' movie again. Wow, FANTASTIC! I knew of the scene in Diamonds Are Forever, but a whole movie about this??? The sheeple sure look dumb at a time like this! How many signposts do they need? Anybody else familiar with this major motion picture? Lookee: dnyuz.com/2019/07/19/the-...spiracy-in-pop-culture-9- films-that-reference-the-hoax/ _____________________________________________________________ USA! USA! USA! Bringing you democracy, or else! there were strains of VD that were incurable, and they were first found in the Philippines and then transmitted to the Korean working girls via US military. The 'incurables' we were told were first taken back to a military hospital in the Philippines to quietly die. – 4um
Oh yeah. An ENTIRE movie. As a matter of a strange code of sorts, the PTB always give away the truth in the open what they do or *will* do. They leave it up to us whether we embrace it or ignore it. FWIW, you can either watch it for free on YT (smallish picture) OR rent it. OJ deserved an academy award just for his 3 sentences! The last parts of the flick are cartoonish -- and probably purposely -- but if you're going to watch it, I don't want to spoil all of the fun it for you. Good links. Worth a good look --thanks. Yes, there *was* that Diamonds Are Forever' scene, wasn't there? HA! Yes -- they sometimes throw the chance to accept, reject or condone yet more BS on us. And I'm thoroughly convinced that most of the time they openly flaunt their evils for the sheer glee of knowing it will merely bring more glassy stares from the Stockholm-syndrome-dazed sheeples. I think the deranged fun and laughs at our expense is a huge high for them - - they actually think they're vastly superior to us, yea even as the gods to the amoebas. And when so many people signal agreement with the notion? Thanks for this movie -- I'm a movieologist ;-) and my specialty of course is their intersection with politically-incorrect reality. Hey, here's one you might enjoy -- please don't judge it till the end _____________________________________________________________ USA! USA! USA! Bringing you democracy, or else! there were strains of VD that were incurable, and they were first found in the Philippines and then transmitted to the Korean working girls via US military. The 'incurables' we were told were first taken back to a military hospital in the Philippines to quietly die. – 4um
Wu - LOVED this! Thanks. (been trying to track down this vid down for the past two months!) (G00gle/YouTube won't even allow this vid to be embedded.) The G00gle rep (a tranny) at a Congressional Hearing testifies that she/it/G00gle deems ANY discussion of "Flat Earth" to be "dangerous" and displaying a warning and DIS-info on such video results on "Flat Earth." But NOT on "Aliens" and "UFOs". (HUH??) Now whether someone happens to believe the earth is a flat plane or not is irrelevant to this blatant censorship of knowledge, of history, of ANY theories. WHAT'S NEXT?? G00gle censoring Medical Cures? The Bible? And anyhoo -- WHY even pay any attention to such a "crazy CT" that its mere mention warrants discussion at a Congressional Hearing?? G00GLE IS MASKING AND HIDING THINGS THEY DO NOT WANT KNOWN. YOU get it. +1000. I think the deranged fun and laughs at our expense is a huge high for them - - they actually think they're vastly superior to us, yea even as the gods to the amoebas. Nail meet Hammer. Exactly. They ARE deranged, evil demon-possessed little sh*ts (imo); They DO believe they are our superiors AND we are they inferiors, little bugs to be stomped on. Too bad you are right about "the glassy stares from the Stockholm-syndrome-dazed sheeples." (well phrased, btw.) Truth smacks them upside the head and still they remain docile, catatonic and nodding believers in Institutional Lies & Fairy Tales. Are you? Great! I've got a couple of websites I'll link you to who will totally accommodate your whims beyond belief. (You watched the 'Truman Show', right?) Thanks for the link to 'Father Is A Bachelor' -- I'll check it out when I can. No! What? Did you or somebody else mention that recently? Sounds fun in wikip, I see vudu has it. _____________________________________________________________ USA! USA! USA! Bringing you democracy, or else! there were strains of VD that were incurable, and they were first found in the Philippines and then transmitted to the Korean working girls via US military. The 'incurables' we were told were first taken back to a military hospital in the Philippines to quietly die. – 4um
You can bet those are already going on. DEUTCH is a JEW NAME and a misspelled one at that, everybody. Look how he barely suppresses his smirks while crushing free thought and speech in a dialectical love duet with this bitch. Google and Youtube strategically claim to be forums, not publishers -- but all this CENSORSHIP blatantly proves otherwise. The govt knows they have ZERO right to do it but what can you do when the kikes control any entity bigger than a bridge club? _____________________________________________________________ USA! USA! USA! Bringing you democracy, or else! there were strains of VD that were incurable, and they were first found in the Philippines and then transmitted to the Korean working girls via US military. The 'incurables' we were told were first taken back to a military hospital in the Philippines to quietly die. – 4um
Have you always been like this wud? You DID appear to be a bit of an oddball at times, but I didn't think you were living in a fantasy world that has no basis in reality.
Lol -- Is that why you posted and disseminated someone's else's propagandist lies at Post #121? (The Flat Earthers Are Being Sent Into Every Real Truth Movement To Disrupt And Destroy Them) Many such pages can be found on the Internet. Your cult came into existence about the time there was significant interest in the 9/11 truth movement. People such as yourself have infiltrated those groups and discredited everything they have in the way of facts by giving the impression they all support your fantasies, since most rational people view flat earth people as absolutely insane. will not ever respect an obvious troll with an agenda, a bleating Gatekeeper of Institutional Lies, a shill of/for Disinfo. Truth isn't even on your radar. Just as all shills and trolls, you accuse others of what you are yourself guilty of. If you were just batshit crazy I'd either just avoid you or try to nicely guide you to the real world, if you were agreeable to coming back to reality. Funny thing is I used to respect you and never thought you would stoop to what you're currently doing. I might not have always agreed with you but tried to debate the facts calmly and respectfully. However, it's clear that you're not just a whacked out nutcase, you're lucid and rational on other topics. Thus I have to deduce one of the following possibilities is true; In regards to possibility 1, I see that as unlikely in this day and age, especially given that you appear literate in the English language. Perhaps you were home schooled by those who were in a cult? Which leads to possibility 2. Only the blind belief in a literal interpretation of the bible could lead one to reject scientific, historical, and logical facts that are VERY easily seen and proven. Are you truly in a cult? These would be the sort of folks that thought if God meant for men to fly, he would have given them wings. Then there's possibility 3. Given how you feign honesty and intelligence well beyond us mere humans, whereas ALL scientists and astronomers for the past 500 years have been LYING as to the nature of our solar system and the planet earth, and ALL explorers and navigators have lied to us and are lying still in regards to global navigation, I'd say you fit this possibility most strongly. You will never admit that this whacky flat earth belief could very easily be proven by anyone with their own sea faring vessel or long range aircraft, simply by going where you think the edge is and taking some pictures. I've read that you folks think NASA is there guarding it.. LOL Who guarded it before the 1960's??? As with all disinformation, there is some degree of truth in what you write. Just like what we see and hear on main stream news. Who put these reflectors on the moon? Sky elves? Plop, plop. Fizz, fizz. Oh what a relief it is. ;)
"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke
LOL!
If there are reflectors up there, FormerLurker -- which I doubt -- it doesn't prove men walked on the moon. This govt lies to us every chance it gets. _____________________________________________________________ USA! USA! USA! Bringing you democracy, or else! there were strains of VD that were incurable, and they were first found in the Philippines and then transmitted to the Korean working girls via US military. The 'incurables' we were told were first taken back to a military hospital in the Philippines to quietly die. – 4um
How the CIA made Google https://medium.com/insurge-intelligence/how-the-cia-made-google-e836451a959e _____________________________________________________________ USA! USA! USA! Bringing you democracy, or else! there were strains of VD that were incurable, and they were first found in the Philippines and then transmitted to the Korean working girls via US military. The 'incurables' we were told were first taken back to a military hospital in the Philippines to quietly die. – 4um
This govt lies to us every chance it gets. So those scientists and researchers across the world are LYING? Did you even look at the list of references at the bottom of the page? As far as the government, sure, they lie about a lot of things. This is one of those things they can't lie about as the reflectors are there for any university in the world to bounce laser beams off of. I used DuckDuck to find the material. You can use any search engine you want. And yes, Google has been making it difficult to find certain things, such as scientific facts concerning vaccines. Only if you think God is limited to being a man who got nailed to a cross 2000 years ago, and have no ability to see that God is beyond anything a mere human could truly understand, since God exists not only within our own Universe, but beyond it. The Sun is just one of an infinitely huge number of stars that exists in one of the equally huge number of galaxies within our infinite Universe. And there is the possibility that our Universe is but one of an infinite number. Merely bringing more proof of the most popular search engine's pure NWO origins. I tried DDG but found Yahoo's search results richer -- posted my research here.
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2:50 'NASA ADMITS WE NEVER WENT TO THE MOON' _____________________________________________________________ USA! USA! USA! Bringing you democracy, or else! there were strains of VD that were incurable, and they were first found in the Philippines and then transmitted to the Korean working girls via US military. The 'incurables' we were told were first taken back to a military hospital in the Philippines to quietly die. – 4um
Probably someone else. Yup -- It is a flick you MUST watch. It is a blatant metaphor for the PTB control & deception of our reality. 'The Truman Show' ("True Man" Show -- get it?) is the definitive admission by Hollywood/PTB that they are indeed operating out in the open and revealing the truth (and lies) about our realm. I'd post a couple of great analyses about the movie, but I don't want to ruin your enjoyment and initial impression before doing so. YUP. They are flat busted on their claim that they are "forums" instead of Publishers. If that were true, they would not NOR COULD NOT selectively censor responses, authors, and content. The govt knows they have ZERO right to do it but what can you do when the kikes control any entity bigger than a bridge club? You're partially right... Talmudic J-Streeters, Freemason 33s, and the Illuminati represent a triad of primary PTB -- at times overlapping on rigging Media messaging/propaganda, "Education," and of course, Gummint. Look how he barely suppresses his smirks while crushing free thought and speech in a dialectical love duet with this bitch. Check it out again... youtu.be/xsRdDrze2ec Congress-Critter DEUTCH actually challenges and ridicules the responses and insane claims of the self-admitted "Authoritarian" G00gle Rep (Ms. Downes (appears to be an obvious Trans-Critter.) MY question would be: Have you always been such a confrontational jackazz whose lack of forum manners is exceeded only by an infinite ignorance and obliviousness? (TAKE A HINT: Wud has BOZO'd you. For good reason.) I didn't think you were living in a fantasy world that has no basis in reality. By "basis in reality," you mean the one that has attempted to program all but the initiated, the curious, and truth-seekers? By "basis of reality", do you mean the false "reality" and deception that has been created for you by TV, cartoons, a fully dumbed-down "education" (indoctrination) system and culture -- rigged by the subversive Deweys, Rockefellers, Masons, Hollywood, MSM, and Talmudics? Did it EVER occur to you that it is YOU who has for your entire life been under hypnotic mind-controlled?; programmed like Pavlov's Dog to dismiss Reality and Truth while fully embracing what you're told -- aka nothing but the PTB's repeated lies, assumptions, and theories? Wudidiz indeed has sought and discovered THE Truth by several degrees, at several levels. Given the recent availability of knowledge thanks to the interweb, finding the Truth has never been easier. (Then again, maybe you actually fear the Truth.) Man has THREE options in this life: 1) Seek Truth You've made it clear exactly where you stand. Good luck with that. (I hope I quoted you correctly.) You. Haven't. A. D*mn. Clue. Using assumptions of assumption of assumptions, and unproven hypothesis upon unproven hypothesis is NOT "Science." Let me help unravel the ACTUAL Reality a bit more: PTB-Chosen "science" shills Bill Nye and Neil de Grasse Tyson have ZERO credibility. NASA/Hollywood is a proven production and fraud. The USA is a Corporation. G00gle/Silicon Valley = See Eye A. The alleged 13.7 billion year "Big Bang" and "LIGHT YEARS" and "OUTER-SPACE" is...SCIENCE-FICTION. Lurker is now claiming "REFLECTORS" on the Moon?? *Triple eyeball roll* What's his source? Wikipedia?? Snopes?? NOBODY has ever even left Low Earth Orbit. (Oy, the institutional indoctrination.) This govt lies to us every chance it gets. Exactly. (Who is naive enough to actually deny THAT??) Lol. Your source for "Moon Reflectors" IS 'Wikipedia'! Don't you know who runs Wiki? smh Yep. G00gle = See Eye A = NWO Enforcement 'NASA ADMITS WE NEVER WENT TO THE MOON' www.youtube.com/watch? v=DpPMoIv1lxI BOOM! (I can post dozens of additional 100 YT vids to the same effect, but that kind of evidence that obliterates ANY actual notion that the Apollo missions were Hollywood hoaxes STILL won't budge those who just can't quite wrap their head around the truth.) In detractors' defense, I do understand the reticence. It is extremely difficult to un-wind 60 years (or so) of constant "globe" mind-control, mental imprinting and programming. Please let us have those youtubes -- I want it ALL. Yes my brotha, we can understand their feelings, but it's such ecstasy to have a massive new rocks to throw at Goliath. We are being CONSUMED by the 666-beast and IT IS GOING TO KILL US ALL if we don't get serious about fighting it. We can't bomb or shoot or poison the beast, but truth is its massive weakness. This is deadly serious business. The rocket godlets have made almost literal mountains of money giving us mere movies, and cheap stupid ones at that! Once again it's parallel to the wars, to which it's obviously related: trillions disappear with absolutely no benefit to the citizenry. The ego trip this scam gives the govt and military has to be a huge factor in cowing the ppl into submission and getting away with ever more mayhem. In short, the people-in-space program is entirely evil. Let's be liberated by this revelation, folks -- not demoralized. _____________________________________________________________ USA! USA! USA! Bringing you democracy, or else! there were strains of VD that were incurable, and they were first found in the Philippines and then transmitted to the Korean working girls via US military. The 'incurables' we were told were first taken back to a military hospital in the Philippines to quietly die. – 4um
Punny! Folks the CBS all-seeing eye logo has been on the air for 69 YEARS.
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'smh', LOL
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Please don't be too hard on good old FormerLurker -- we urgently need him. The reflectors are a part of the space-race culture -- very famous stuff, and while I know no men ever went to the moon I give the mirrors a 1/10 of 1% chance of having made it up there. What must be remembered is that this is all a Masonic front. Masons swear loyalty to each other above all else and IIRC Armstrong, Aldrin and Collins were high rankers. I realize I may be stepping on more toes here but damn it, 4um is one of the LAST REDOUBTS OF FREE AND COLLEGIAL SPEECH -- that is its momentous greatest strength and we've got to keep it that way. _____________________________________________________________ USA! USA! USA! Bringing you democracy, or else! there were strains of VD that were incurable, and they were first found in the Philippines and then transmitted to the Korean working girls via US military. The 'incurables' we were told were first taken back to a military hospital in the Philippines to quietly die. – 4um
Then let's cell her 'him' or 'it'. I'll have to take your word for it on Deutch, because I can't stand more than a few minutes of that type of stuff. _____________________________________________________________ USA! USA! USA! Bringing you democracy, or else! there were strains of VD that were incurable, and they were first found in the Philippines and then transmitted to the Korean working girls via US military. The 'incurables' we were told were first taken back to a military hospital in the Philippines to quietly die. – 4um
Thankxomuch -- will definitely view it. I'm so glad you're here and that you go the distance where others fear to tread. _____________________________________________________________ USA! USA! USA! Bringing you democracy, or else! there were strains of VD that were incurable, and they were first found in the Philippines and then transmitted to the Korean working girls via US military. The 'incurables' we were told were first taken back to a military hospital in the Philippines to quietly die. – 4um
Have you always been such a confrontational jackazz whose lack of forum manners is exceeded only by an infinite ignorance and obliviousness? (TAKE A HINT: Wud has BOZO'd you. For good reason.) My question to you would be, how long have you been employed by the US government? Or would it be Israel?? By "basis in reality," you mean the one that has attempted to program all but the initiated, the curious, and truth-seekers? I've been seeking and finding truth well before you appeared on the stage kid. You're not interested in truth. Your mission is to discourage people from seeking it, and smearing those who have found it. By "basis of reality", do you mean the false "reality" and deception that has been created for you by TV, cartoons, a fully dumbed-down "education" (indoctrination) system and culture -- rigged by the subversive Deweys, Rockefellers, Masons, Hollywood, MSM, and Talmudics? Your word salad isn't close to impressive. Did you ever even go to school? Did it EVER occur to you that it is YOU who has for your entire life been under hypnotic mind-controlled?; programmed like Pavlov's Dog to dismiss Reality and Truth while fully embracing what you're told -- aka nothing but the PTB's repeated lies, assumptions, and theories? I'm not a mind controlled cult member such as yourself, that's if you really believe the shit you spew. Wudidiz indeed has sought and discovered THE Truth by several degrees, at several levels. Given the recent availability of knowledge thanks to the interweb, finding the Truth has never been easier. (Then again, maybe you actually fear the Truth. Wudidiz is in need of psychiatric help. As far as the Internet, if were up to people such as you there would be no telephones, never mind computers. You've made it clear exactly where you stand. Good luck with that. Has selling your soul to the devil helped you out in life? Sure, neither space or gravity exist, but you can't explain why objects fall to the ground when dropped. You think every major country on earth is lying about putting satellites up in space, the Chinese, the Russians, Europe, and of course the US. The earth is a big pizza zapped into existence out of nothing, and is the only pizza in the universe. Everything else is CGI. Yes, you are one smart cookie. LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! As far as Bill Nyes, he's not a scientist he's an entertainer. Go to MIT sometime and peddle your theories there, see how many people you can convert.. LOL! Your source for "Moon Reflectors" IS 'Wikipedia'! It's obvious you've never used an encyclopedia in your life. Not knowing that all the information within it can be checked and verified reveals your utter ignorance of how encyclopedias are assembled. Don't you know who runs Wiki? Is it the JEWS? Do you know who wrote the Bible? It was the JEWS!!!!! LOL! BTW, I've known about the reflectors since they put them up there, I was watching it live on TV. If you're curious about them, read the Wiki article and check all the references to scientific papers and articles speaking about the subject in great detail. Oh that's right, you don't trust any information unless it comes from YouTube. LOL!!!!! Bro, I've delt with hard core shills such as BeAChooser and Yukon, along with all their associates back at LP, and prior to that the horde of dumbasses on FR. Liberator appeared to be a normal sort of guy, then he got wrapped up in this flat earth insanity. I don't know if he got kicked from LF, but that's where I saw him go off the deep end on this topic. The reflectors exist if you cared to research the topic, there's probably a hundred references in the Wiki article alone. And of course you can use a search engine to find the information yourself if you'd like. Masonry is the least worrisome of the secret societies out there. There are truly fearsome groups that have equally fearsome power. But Masonry has nothing to do with space exploration. You should study a bit of history concerning global efforts to explore space, it's not a big conspiracy as you've been led to believe by those pretending to be informed and aware. If anything, the conspiracy to bamboozle people into believing in a flat earth could very well be the work of the Masons, who DO wish to keep things such as the facts behind 9/11 concealed. That's right everyone just keep debating this. Nobody look into the theory of expanding earth. Their is just too much money in the status quo and proper understanding means little next to money and control especially when we can tie in flat earth lunacy to 911 while at the same time making the folks trying to share the expanding earth theory as the most crazy of all. It's one things to teach about how stars expand but advancing the idea that pretty much all celestial bodies of sufficient size also go through expansion...no no no. Don't look at that.. Don't look that. Don't look at the expanding earth theory. ______________________________________ Suspect all media / resist bad propaganda/Learn NLP everyday everyway ;) If you don't control your mind someone else will.
At least the expanding earth theory at one time had scientific merit and was thought to be a viable hypothesis. Modern instrumentation and measurements have found that the earth is not expanding however. One question I would have is that if the earth were truly expanding, then why have sea levels been rising at a fairly constant rate for the past 10,000 years or so? If the earth were expanding, shouldn't have they been falling rather than rising, since there would be more area for the oceans to cover? I don't believe there's any debate going on, just mindless assertions and accusations being tossed out by an individual who wishes to associate 4um with the flat earth movement. I'm just one who likes to curb disinformation when he sees it. If the individual in question were truly trying to debate the topic, he'd at least answer the simple questions posed, such as if gravity doesn't exist, why then do objects fall to the ground when dropped. I know some folks despise video evidence of things yet that's how I learned about the theory so I posted videos related to the topic that I felt explained things quite well. I have my own theories on why the earth , our moon, and Mars and potentially all the planets expand but my theory of reasons is not the same as the geological evidence of actions. As for rising sea levels ... well our star is made out of mostly hydrogen and it is spitting out a nearly unfathomable amount of matter every second. More than just plasma and light emissions so perhaps the larger lumps of matter are catching and keeping some of it. But that remains a theory. Geologically speaking, when we can back it all up into one ball and all the continents form fit into each other from the whole sphere... Well like I said before,. I posted some videos on it but I know some will just make fun of me for believing anything I see on youtube before looking at the material presented and applying thoughtful consideration to the presentation. Maybe one day. ______________________________________ Suspect all media / resist bad propaganda/Learn NLP everyday everyway ;) If you don't control your mind someone else will.
There's actually a good amount of information easily found by doing a web search for "expanding earth theory", both historical and scientific in nature. No need for YouTube... Liberator appeared to be a normal sort of guy, then he got wrapped up in this flat earth insanity. I don't know if he got kicked from LF, but that's where I saw him go off the deep end on this topic. LOL -- easy does it, we need him ;) Here's a site bragging on the astronots' Masonic history. freemasonscommunity.life/masonic-astronauts/ Am eagerly awaiting your explanation why NASA spokesmen including astronots are yammering about finally getting people into outer space as if Apollo never existed. They've clearly been directed to do this in saccharine Romper Room voices as if talking to masses of rubes conditioned to believe anything -- which of course they are. (Not you, the sheeple at large.) Their images sometimes flicker where the ISS they're supposedly speaking from doesn't and that spells only one thing: f-r-a-u-d. _____________________________________________________________ USA! USA! USA! Bringing you democracy, or else! there were strains of VD that were incurable, and they were first found in the Philippines and then transmitted to the Korean working girls via US military. The 'incurables' we were told were first taken back to a military hospital in the Philippines to quietly die. – 4um
take a picture of the earth's curve with your own camera and post it here. oh, you can't. there is no curve. none. checkmate. earth is flat
Canadian Philosopher John McMurtry as he comments on the psychological warfare that has afflicted us all: "It is like a trance. So what can break a trance? The only thing that can break the trance is the light of truth."
"Because it is sometimes so unbelievable, the truth escapes being known." ~ Heraclitus (500 BC) "All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident." ~ Arthur Schopenhauer “The individual is handicapped by coming face-to-face with a conspiracy so monstrous he cannot believe it exists.” ~ J. Edgar Hoover Will do. (but WARNING: You risk falling into a Truther Vortex. We might never see you again until the year 2525.) ;-) Use 'Natuber TV' as one of your docking bases. https://www.youtube.com/user/Antwniaco/videos?disable_polymer=1 From there you can access a slew of vids OR leap frog into several other linked YT sites in the 'CHANNELS' category up above. As you leap frog to other "Channels," THEY in turn bounce you to OTHER recommended Truth Channels that YT may do their best to hide from algorithms, but can NOT (it's like finding the Skeleton Key to countless doors.) https://www.youtube.com/user/Antwniaco/channels?disable_polymer=1 HIGHLY recommended brief cross-section: 1) (ODD TV) https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCuftdXePz6z73Wsg8Ao5lTg SAMPLE: The Truman Show | Based on a True Story | Under the Dome: 2) (The Potter's Clay) https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCpEdOLvL6olNghR-BWghUQA SAMPLE: A Picture is Worth a Thousand Words - Part I: 3) LXXXVIII finis temporis https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCmt5LlxFlX7_NlB0fvEXRjg SAMPLE: (PTB EXPOSED) FREEMASON PRISON - Hollywood, Music, Sports, Games, Wars, Space, Politics...: We are being CONSUMED by the 666-beast and IT IS GOING TO KILL US ALL if we don't get serious about fighting it. We can't bomb or shoot or poison the beast, but truth is its massive weakness. Tossing "massive rocks at Goliath" (and exposing Goliath's deception of our world) is one way to look at it. With respect to fighting the 666 Beast System, yes TRUTH is indeed the antidote. It is up to the individual whether they voluntarily take the Red Pill or Blue Pill, right? ('The Matrix' flick was indeed more "Predictive Programming', another case of giving away an open secret of the PTB) Moreover, as Jesus said: "And do not fear those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. But rather fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell." ~ Matthew 10:28 KJV This is deadly serious business. The rocket godlets have made almost literal mountains of money giving us mere movies, and cheap stupid ones at that! HA! You've touched on two great observations above.... a) The entire failed Mission by NASA is a modern day attempt by man to build *their* version of The Tower of Babel in order to "reach the Heavens" where God resides. We know what God did to it and the Babylonians. b) The combined NASA/Hollywood productions have been about programming the Sheeple and creating illusions of "Space Travel" and "interstellar" infinite Universe. Despite $52 MIL per day, their "Moon" productions since 1969-1972 have been proven cheap, unconvincing to many, and fraudulent hoaxes and theater when scrutinized. Epic examples of this are plastered all over YouTube. Once again it's parallel to the wars, to which it's obviously related: trillions disappear with absolutely no benefit to the citizenry. The ego trip this scam gives the govt and military has to be a huge factor in cowing the ppl into submission and getting away with ever more mayhem. +1000. 9/10: Sec Def Rumsfeld presser: "The Pentagram has lost $2.3 Tril." 9/11: "Nevermind." (POOF!! The entire accounting dept at the Pentagram was atomized by a phantom "passenger jet.") Yes, regarding another unmistakable point of yours; power is always an ego trip. Gummint has a blank check to buy whomever they want (MSM, Scientists, Educators, Entertainers, "Astroturfers") to DO whatever they want (incl causing social upheavals & launching expensive, endless war based on scripted "intel." In short, the people-in-space program is entirely evil. Let's be liberated by this revelation, folks -- not demoralized. AMEN! Lies = Bondage. Truth = Freedom = "Way, Truth, and Life." Yeah, the only people I ever want to fling things at are the perps -- speaking truth to power. Didn't mean it re folks here of course, though I'm ever on the brink of saying more 10 words than discretion would allow.
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I gotcha and understood you perfectly; You spoke and conveyed thoughts in general terms, and in no way did you make it personal. Truth IS truth. It may ruffle feathers and anger some people, but that is what it is. You're rockin' & rollin', baby.... LOVE the Maximus meme! "All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident." ~ Arthur Schopenhauer “The individual is handicapped by coming face-to-face with a conspiracy so monstrous he cannot believe it exists.” ~ J. Edgar Hoover "Because it is sometimes so unbelievable, the truth escapes being known." ~ Heraclitus (500 BC) SPECTACULAR maxims. They bear repeating... They are important reminders of ALL of our natural thought processes at some point or another. It reminds me of a position that may surprise many... *I* researched my own past posts on the subject and lo and behold, had expressed my own theory not so long ago at LF to Deckard with respect to "Flat Earth." I had responded to it by theorizing that the "Flat Earth" movement was a "CT" designed by elements of the PTB to "discredit" ALL "CTs". To my eventual utter shock....I was wrong. The reasons I was wrong was because like most of us, I had been programmed and mind-imprinted, assuming "established facts" without trusting my own observations, common sense, real science, and several Scriptural descriptions of our realm made by its Creator. Wow, I can't wait to sample all that -- thanx! Watched the movie.
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Dude. You can spot the ISS yourself using an app on your phone to tell you when and where it'll be in the sky in your area of the world. I've seen it twice myself. Once was on an early morning before the sun rose, I was checking the sky where it was supposed to appear, and lo and behold there was this bright object in the sky tracking exactly where it was supposed to. I used astronomical binoculars to get a good look and I could actually make out the shape of the solar panels. Another time I was up in Canada visiting relatives, and I showed them how cool the app was. It was about to pass right over head practically and I got them to go outside to take a look. Sure enough it appeared right where it was supposed to and traversed the sky according the projected path on the app. Space travel isn't make believe dude. You know not too long ago some people didn't think men could fly either. But in terms of the app, it can tell you where communication and weather satellites will be in sky as well. You need to get out of everything is a conspiracy mindset. I think the big problem is that people today are afraid to accept the fact that the universe is a REALLY big place, and like to limit their worldview to something more acceptable to what they can deal with. Take a picture of a bacteria with your own camera and post it here. Oh wait, you can't. Bacteria don't exist, nope. Checkmate, doctors have lied to you... LOL!!! Here's another one. Go to an eastern US seacoast and take a picture of the Eiffel tower with your own camera. You can even use a telescope to help you see it. Oh wait, you can't because the Eiffel tower is thousands of miles past the horizon. You know how far the horizon is? From How Far Away is the Horizon? The old saying turns out to be just about true. For a six-foot tall person, the horizon is a little more than 3 miles (5 km) away. Geometry tells us that the distance of the horizon – i.e. the farthest point the eye can see before Earth curves out beneath our view – depends simply on the height of the observer. For example, if you stood atop Mount Everest (which is 29,029 feet, or 8,848 meters tall), the horizon would be about 230 miles (370 km) away. So if you're in the middle of the ocean and you're 6 feet tall, you can only see an area of about 9 square miles. That's why we need to use compasses and plot our position using navigation techniques such as using the position of the sun by day and the stars at night to traverse the ocean from point A to point B, using GLOBAL coordinates. And no, you can't see Europe from Cape Cod or anywhere else on the east coast of the US. You're still in the ridicule and violently oppose stage of truth that has already been known and accepted for centuries. "And do not fear those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. But rather fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell." ~ Matthew 10:28 KJV I find it comical that you believe some unknown author of a book of dubious origin, yet ignore and disbelieve obvious facts that any reasonably sane person could easily understand and prove with simple observations. Religion is a FAITH based belief system devoid of any provable facts. Science is the logical and fact based system of DISCOVERY of universal laws and facts that can be proven using well known methods that produce repeatable results. Again, explain to me if gravity doesn't exist, why then do objects fall to the ground if they are dropped. You have ignored the simple question at least 2 or 3 times already on this thread. If you believe science is fake, then toss out your cell phone, have your electricity shut off, and go build yourself a cabin out in the wilderness without modern tools. Because back in the days of Jesus, if he did actually exist, electricity hadn't yet been discovered never mind harnessed, and modern tools obviously didn't exist yet either. Your view of the earth and the rest of creation is about that of cavemen. Even the authors of the Book of Genesis had more understanding, as the actual Hebrew speaks much differently about matters than the various translations. For instance, where the King James bible would say, "God created man in his own image", it actually says "God created MANKIND in THEIR own image". You've been duped. Lies = Bondage. Truth = Freedom = "Way, Truth, and Life." That's why you should toss out your lies and try to educate yourself to actual truth. And this is also why I can't really believe you're that stupid to actually believe the lies you spew, as on other threads you at least at one time appeared to be well versed on various other topics. Maybe someone hacked your account and you're not even the real Liberator. But no, you were spouting the same nonsense on LF. Did Stone kick you? How old were you when you were indoctrinated into the flat earth cult? Did you know that people have well understood the earth to be a sphere for about 500 years, at least in terms of modern history? Ancient civilizations also understood the earth wasn't flat and knew it had to be spherical because of the appearance of ships at sea. They could only see them coming in to a harbor when they were about 3 miles away. They would observe the tops of the masts before they could see the rest of the ship. Going out to sea they would observe the opposite affect, where the masts were the last thing to be seen of the ship. You're ridiculous memes don't have any bit of common sense and appear to be created by someone who never opened a book beyond comic books. Look, I'll say it as many times as it takes: Am eagerly awaiting your explanation why NASA spokesmen including astronots are yammering about finally getting people into outer space as if Apollo never existed. They've clearly been directed to do this in saccharine Romper Room voices as if talking to masses of rubes conditioned to believe anything -- which of course they are. (Not you, the sheeple at large.) Their images sometimes flicker where the ISS they're supposedly speaking from doesn't and that spells only one thing: f-r-a-u-d. We've covered the ISS and I shot it down. _____________________________________________________________ USA! USA! USA! Bringing you democracy, or else! there were strains of VD that were incurable, and they were first found in the Philippines and then transmitted to the Korean working girls via US military. The 'incurables' we were told were first taken back to a military hospital in the Philippines to quietly die. – 4um
Their is a few things I can say about this. We know the ISS is up there because we can follow it's transits with our own commercially available telescopes , that said, any scrutiny applied to what they say is from the inside of the iss reveals many many issues. So the question might become, "if it is really up there what in the fuck would be the point of faking footage from the inside"? To which I would respond, why wouldn't they? Why would they reveal the inner workings of the issues to the world and public at large including enemy nations that we would rather not see utilizing our technology. I mean look at Iran. One of our server drones crashed there and with in a year they reverse engineered our predator drones. If the footage was legit and real rouge states all over would be all over that. No better survalence platform on earth or rather from low earth orbit. ______________________________________ Suspect all media / resist bad propaganda/Learn NLP everyday everyway ;) If you don't control your mind someone else will.
Gee whiz, was I trying to fool you to see who if any would catch my mistake, or did I do it by accident... I was thinking in terms of a square. But if you can see 3 miles 360 degrees, then it is not a square, it is a circle. The area of a square is the length of the square times the width, so the area A is the length * width of that square; So a 3 mile(length) * 3 mile(width) square is 9 square miles in area(A). A circle however has a different formula for area. We use the radius, 3 miles, to calculate the area as follows; Area (A) = Pi * Radius Squared (r2) So given a 3 mile radius, Area = 3.14 * (3 miles * 3 miles) = 28.6 square miles So if you were in the middle of the ocean, being 6 foot tall, you'd be able to see a total of 28.6 square miles. Gee whiz, why is that I wonder. Ever wonder why they'd position lookouts on ships into Crow's nest? Isn't math cool? What the hell are you talking about dude? Perhaps they meant the PUBLIC? I skip really whacked out videos, but if you have definitive proof of what you claim, repost it if I missed something.. I've posted it plenty -- look it up if you want (you won't). "I skip really whacked out videos" -- read my lips, these are NASA productions.
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All we know, my friend, is that something is up there. Ample evidence -- I'd say proof -- exists that it's not what's claimed. _____________________________________________________________ USA! USA! USA! Bringing you democracy, or else! there were strains of VD that were incurable, and they were first found in the Philippines and then transmitted to the Korean working girls via US military. The 'incurables' we were told were first taken back to a military hospital in the Philippines to quietly die. – 4um
Bro I'm not going to fish through 200 posts and view an unknown number of videos to try to find something close to what you're talking about. If you have proof of what you claim, you should be able to easily repost it. One question though. Why do you think men couldn't orbit the earth in a space capsule, shuttle, or space station? Because NASA says so. _____________________________________________________________ USA! USA! USA! Bringing you democracy, or else! there were strains of VD that were incurable, and they were first found in the Philippines and then transmitted to the Korean working girls via US military. The 'incurables' we were told were first taken back to a military hospital in the Philippines to quietly die. – 4um
So far I've only seen YOU saying that. Post credible references if any exist. Without using that nonsensical argument, why do you think men can't orbit the earth? We can travel in planes, some of which approach the edge of space in terms of military aircraft. A space vessel is just a tightly pressured plane without wings. It's not magic bro. Search it here yourself if you're that interested (you're not). _____________________________________________________________ USA! USA! USA! Bringing you democracy, or else! there were strains of VD that were incurable, and they were first found in the Philippines and then transmitted to the Korean working girls via US military. The 'incurables' we were told were first taken back to a military hospital in the Philippines to quietly die. – 4um
"Nonsensical argument" -- ROFL ROFL ROFL!!!
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So in other words you don't know of any evidence, or are not interested in debating the issue, you just want people to believe you without any evidence whatsoever. Sorry bro, I don't believe you. More like non-existent argument. “I am not one of those weak-spirited, sappy Americans who want to be liked by all the people around them. I don’t care if people hate my guts; I assume most of them do. The important question is whether they are in a position to do anything about it. My affections, being concentrated over a few people, are not spread all over Hell in a vile attempt to placate sulky, worthless shits.” - William S Burroughs
Just so you're acutely aware -- 'The Flat Earth Society' is CONTROLLED OPPOSITION created by The Elites, intended to make 'Flat Earth' seem kook-ish and stupid. (Most are NOT aware.) The Elite often co-opt BOTH sides. I'm sure you're aware of their ploys. This analogy works because it applies: I don't know many Third Graders who can understand learned subject matter from a senior in HS. Even if explained carefully to a Third Grader, the extra nine years of accumulated information from the HS Seniors will rarely "make sense" for obvious reasons. Ergo the Third Grader will dismiss it as "stupid." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yjw_DuNkOUw NASA, their org, their "Missions," their "science," the entire Disney-like Theater: ABSOLUTELY CRUSHED and ANNIHILATED. What say you? hate to sound like a broken record, but titles, please? I can't see anything here but a message about a security certificate. does it have anything to do with "NASA's spiritual roots" and a "fixed earth"? "...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm
I apologize, Kings; I shouldn't assume. I hope you can assess this or any of these amazing videos. TITLE: 'Disney Presents: NASA on Thin Ice | Buzz Aldrin and the Masonic Moon' (but it's much more than about that.) does it have anything to do with "NASA's spiritual roots" and a "fixed earth"? YES. Some necessary history is reviewed. Some Science is reviewed. And many claims and observations are reviewed AND exposed. NASA's roots are Nazi, Disney, Space Program, and Cultist "Magic"/Wizardry. https://youtu.be/ZR296RWS0yM AUTHOR'S OVERVIEW: Disney Presents: NASA on Thin Ice | Buzz Aldrin and the Masonic Moon. Disney brings the magic to life with Jack Parsons, L Ron Hubbard, Wernher Von Braun, Stanley Kubrick, Buzz Aldrin and the Apollo Program. In this video we go over the recent history of the NASA deception with a easy to follow timeline from NACA transforming into NASA to Walt Disney creating some of the very first propaganda about impossible space travel with the film 'Man in Space. Stanley Kubrick leaving us clues about filming the moon landing in room 237. They say the moon is 237,000 miles away which is why the room is called that. NASA admits on several occasions that they can't go beyond low earth orbit due to the deadly Van Allen Radiation Belt, but that's only code for the firmament / dome. We live on a level and stationary plane and we've been lied to about many things, including evolution, the moon landing, space travel, Antarctica, the shape of the earth, etc. Hollywood is constantly bomarding the minds of the masses with the idea that outer space exists in the capacity we are told by mainstream science which has been proven wrong time and time again. OTHER WELL-RESEARCHED VIDEOS BY THIS AUTHOR: The Case for Flat Earth | ODD TV Presentation: NASA Fails Again & Again | Space is Fake | Glitch on the ISS: History of Fake Space | Outer Space Does Not Exist: Flat Earth Timeline | The History of Flat Earth: A Stranger's Guide to Flat Earth | 21 Questions and Answers (Proving The Earth Is Flat): Journey to the Center of the Flat Earth | North Pole Hidden Land: Flat Earth | As Seen on TV | Movies & Television Shows: Bill Nye Indoctrinates the World | Why Flat Earth Matters: Flat Earth | Amber Plaster | Earth Not A Globe | Moana - How Far I'll Go Song: Flat Earth & Project Blue Beam: Flat Earth | Seven Planets of the Universe | The Wandering Stars: Flat Earth & the Fisheye Lens: NASA Can't Go Beyond Low Earth Orbit | Flat Earth Firmament: Flat Earth | 100% Proof Space Travel is Fake & Mars Missions are Too: ODD TV's Flat Earth Trilogy | True World, Learning Curve and Epic Deception: Neil deGrasse Tyson Exposed | Hollywood Actor: (sorry...I misspelled your name in a previous ping.)
Apparently you didn't read what was being discussed. The simple question was about posting a link to the proof of an assertion that was claimed to be the basis for the assertion. Here's a question for you. Why do objects fall to the ground if dropped? You apparently have no clue as to the fact people have known that the earth was a sphere orbiting the sun for at least 500 years. Go find a telescope and observe the stars and planets. You'll see that is the case. Also, find one with a motorized mount so that the earth's rotation doesn't make you lose track of the planet you're watching, as it'll move across the lens in seconds if you're trying to do it manually. Simple case of Mass & Density. (There is almost an hour of video that refutes it. You likely won't watch even 5 minutes of it, BUT, you just might learn something.) There is NO such thing as "Gravity." Yes, yes -- I know you're going to cite Newton. But Newton even admitted his "discovery" was just a THEORY. Right at the 4:23 mark it asserts that the video is somehow "fake" at the bottom of the screen. That is absurd. I stopped watching it there. However, the link between JPL,Crowley, and Hubbard was a very curious thing. I've known about it, but it doesn't change the fact the earth is not flat. Why do objects fall when dropped?
No. You need a force to move an object. Force is Mass * Acceleration When you push a box across the floor you have to exert a force upon that box for it to move. Does anyone disagree with the fact it takes a force to move an object?
People have merely theorized the Heliocentric model as dogma. Just as "Gravity" is a dogmatic "theory"; as are the alleged formulas for astronomical "distance," and "size" of alleged stars. It is also assumed that celestial bodies are indeed globes and NOT discs. Man can NOT see these objects in 3-D. Moreover, "stars" are not what we've been led to believe. The true shape of these objects is far from what we've been led to believe. For the vast majority of history, people have KNOWN our realm is still and un-moving. Ours is a geocentric realm. a great PLAIN. The stars? THEY move over EARTH as we remain stationary. If this wasn't the case, according to the heliocentric theory, the stars in the sky SHOULD be totally different were our alleged globe on the OTHER SIDE of the sun. (Can you explain why they remain positioned in EXACTLY THE SAME PLACE, regardless?) Moreover...because the stars remain positioned perfectly, predictably, and the SAME year in and year out, they've been used as THE perfect sky "map" from which to guide travelers or navigate the sea throughout the millennia. Go find a telescope and observe the stars and planets. You'll see that is the case. Others have done so. Repeatedly. THAT is "Science." The ABOVE is indeed proven. And yes --the ONLY celestial bodies which move opposite of the usual star paths ARE planets,, described as "wondering stars" in Scripture. (did you bother watching ANY of that vid?) What does "force" have to do with the necessity to "move an object"? What is the goal? Ok. That's acceptable science. But what's he point? And do you flat earth people not understand that the force of gravity is calculated as follows? Force of Gravity (g) = Mass (m) * Acceleration due to gravity (32 ft per second squared) This is true of earth gravity at sea level. At higher altitudes you would use the following equation to determine the force; F = G((m1* m2)/r2). Where F is force, G is the gravitational constant, m1 is the mass of object 1, and m2 is the mass of object 2. r is the distance between their centers of mass. In the formula it is squared. Is is how we put objects into space and keep them in orbit. It's also what makes plotting the trajectory of ballistic missiles difficult, as the force of gravity changes the higher the missile goes. At 4:23, what point is being made, and what context? I need more than that. (did you dismiss or discredit all of what was claimed up till that point?) the link between JPL,Crowley, and Hubbard was a very curious thing. I've known about it, but it doesn't change the fact the earth is not flat. I appreciate that you did focus on the info...and what you'd watched even to that point. I absolutely realize all of this "opposite" or new stuff related to our realm, the cosmos, theories on creation and time are challenging. (and some of it "impossible.") No one point is designed to change your mind on anything; That's all up to you. It is the eventual weight of accumulative new info and data that helped *me* understand and/or unravel/re-consider all new theories. (That the govt, MSM, academe, and PTB have been lying to us about everything is what finally led me to re-consider what I'd been told is "100% true.") I need more than that. I told you where to look. It asserts that the Gemini video of the space walk is fake. Force of Gravity (g) = Mass (m) * Acceleration due to gravity (32 ft per second squared) This is true of earth gravity at sea level. "Formulas" on a chalkboard still aren't definitive "proof" of the existence of "Gravity." There's air pressure to consider -- as well as mass and density in relation to the mass and density of surrounding media. It IS. But for the sake of argument, do you believe the "space walk" event is occurring in low earth orbit? There are lots of things that are well known and established fact. Don't confuse the fantasy realm with the objective world we live in. There are some that have dabbled into things that they shouldn't have. Perhaps for that reason we have some extremely evil people running things. But the earth is still a sphere, and the sun is but one star out of an unimaginable number. You would still have gravity in a vacuum. That and density does not affect the weight. Mass is the amount of matter regardless of the weight, as weight is actually the force of gravity upon that object. You see, in English units we actually use the force of gravity upon the object as a measure of its weight, not mass. In Metric units, we use the actual mass of the object and represent it in grams. Kilograms (1000)gram units are more generally used, especially in scientific calculations, where the MKS (Meters, Kilograms, and seconds) are the established units for distance, mass, and time. Weight in the Metric system is measured in Newtons. Weight is Force, in this case the force of gravity. But any force is measured in Newtons. It is curious...(don't forget the Disney link) The dot-connection of Satanists-Cultists speaks to the motives and deception of the same birds of a feather. The origins of NASA and "space" travel is curious. Their goal was to access the realm beyond the physical, which they knew intersected with the spiritual realm. I realize you disbelieve the Bible, but the description of our realm is discussed throughout in Scripture. It speaks of God's "Firmament," which according to the Bible is a "Glass Dome" of sorts. WITHIN this Firmament is (according to Scripture as well as many observers as late as the 1930s) lie the Sun and Moon. IF those like JPL, Crowley, Hubbard and Disney ALL had a goal to try and crash through The Firmament, aka God's "Glass Dome" (to either prove OR disprove God's word), THAT provides a motive. Why would you disbelieve it? Bro, I was born and raised Roman Catholic. What you're talking about must be some Protestant interpretation of the literal English. The Bible was written by men, and those men were far from infallible. There might be some spiritual nature inherent in the Torah, if you can understand the Hebrew. Other than that, you're reverting to the ignorance of the Dark Ages. Again, you're ignoring the actual discoveries of absolute proof that we are on but one of several planets orbiting our sun, out of close to an infinite number of stars. This is all observable with a telescope. As is the rotation of the earth itself. Yes...As well as many key "established" theories which are erroneously considered "facts." THIS is an ongoing big problem for institutional "Science." Don't confuse the fantasy realm with the objective world we live in. That's another problem; Accepting lab coats and past "scientific" dogma with pure theory and assumption. Btw, "Science" is waaaay to "subjective", which is how it's gotten itself into the kind of mess its in. IF it were truly "objective," the Lies would be dismissed and ridiculed instead of the Truth. There are some that have dabbled into things that they shouldn't have. Perhaps for that reason we have some extremely evil people running things. +100. THAT is the problem. Their agenda and cred is and has always been suspect and...sick. But the earth is still a sphere, and the sun is but one star out of an unimaginable number. Been there, done that. Truth blew my mind. That sir is ALL a lie, a series of one Big Lie after another. Once you see it all unfold before you, you don't nor ever can go back. Nothing personal if you disbelieve what I believe to be true and vice versa. That a force exist known as gravity is not a theory, it is an objective fact, just as it'd probably be safe to say most humans have two eyes, two legs, and two arms. WHY that force exist is open to THEORIES, but the fact is that it DOES exist. Lies that you consider facts ARE easily dismissed. You can not argue against facts, you can only try to twist those facts using lies. But the fact is, if you follow a guide of the sky you can find the planets depending on your longitude and latitude, and if you find Jupiter you can see its moons. You'll notice that the planet is moving across the lens, and that is because the earth is rotating. But... MEN also wrote everything you and many millions believe as "gospel" truth -- all man's "science," "knowledge," and all theories. Just sayin'. As to the credibility and fidelity of the Bible, its contents are the Inspired Word of God as He directed through the Holy Spirit. The Almighty certainly had the power to do so. No one has yet found a single lie within its bindings. Moreover its prophecies thus far have all been proven true. WHAT are the odds?) Ultimately, it is a matter of faith, Lurker. Yes, I believe EVERY single word in it. Now whether you or I or Aunt Tilly believe some, all, or none -- as well as the wisdom, truth, prophecy and Salvation through Jesus Christ -- is everyone's prerogative. Sorry to ask, but are you taking mind altering drugs? You're acting like electricity hasn't been discovered yet. I believe there is a God, that who is the actual Creator of all that exist. I just don't believe books written by men with an agenda. And again, the original Hebrew has a different meaning than that given by translators from ancient times to fairly recent history. I must have missed the one about men flying. Then again the Book of Revelations could well be a guide book written by those who are intent on destroying the earth. It certainly didn't make it into the New Testament as far as the church was concerned. I can't make you believe or disbelieve observations and facts against your will. And wouldn't want to. Perhaps I'll extend an effort to address and present your perspective and understanding as you see "the facts" eventually so that ONLY YOU will make whatever determination your own mind, eyes, and heart tell you. If you're indifferent about it, fine. If have faith in mankind to do the right thing, act in benevolent and generosity, and present truth as best as they can, then who am I to tell you otherwise? At the same time -- if *I* see the Truth, I'm sharing it with those who are actively seeking it. ?? I'm out of here, dude. Catch up whenever...
If you wanted to seek Truth bro, you'd get that telescope and view the planets. Look up Galileo and Copernicus. Here's a good link as to how religion treated the "heresy" of Galileo. Did the Roman Catholic Church execute Galileo? Here's info on Copernicus; So....You admit you only watched just 4:32 of my video yet are beckoning me to investigate the same institutional "Science" shills we've been taught is truth since grammar school?? Again -- Been there, done that. It's ALL hypothetical BS presented as FACT. Ergo...REJECTED. MANY scientific/cosmological/Earth & Space issues are addressed in it head on in it -- as well, INCLUDING Antarctica. You've also refused to watch the original "200 Proofs" vid submitted by Wudidiz. Yet Lurker, you make the above claim?? ("Apparently you didn't read what was being discussed.") WATCH. LISTEN TO THE OTHER SIDE. THEN we can have a great debate. The simple question was about posting a link to the proof of an assertion that was claimed to be the basis for the assertion. You've had WELL OVER 200 "proofs of assertions" submitted for your eyes via several videos. Now if you refuse to watch the evidence, refutations, "assertions" and proofs that totally obliterate Institutional LIES and Disney-like fake theater and CGI of NASA, the erroneous hypotheses of Copernicus, Galileo, Newton, and Einstein, THAT IS ON YOU, my friend. THESES so-called "Scientists" -- aka high priests of PTB -- HAVE HIDDEN THE TRUTH; Gaslighted the masses. You, like most, have been lost in The Deception and its partner: The Power of Suggestion. Those 4K "photos" of "planets" and "suns"? Nothing but cartoons & CGI. (assigning dates and "telescopes" to the images is a nice touch.) Some people make the conscious choice to swallow the PTB's BLUE PILL. OTHERS will indeed swallow THE RED PILL. OMG, another total treasure. Such a gleefully production -- makes it 10 times funner! Yeah, I've been wondering about jet propulsion in space and I frankly find it impossible to believe we send spacecraft billions of miles away to photograph Saturn or whatever. The rebuttal I hear is that jet planes thrust against the air, with rockets it's things exploding away from each other -- something like that. Didn't sound very plausible either. Who's the guy speaking at 19:45? Looks familiar....... Admiral Byrd reported seeing some really wild stuff on his last trip to the Antarctica, and shut him up by their favorite method -- psychiatric confinement. _____________________________________________________________ USA! USA! USA! Bringing you democracy, or else! there were strains of VD that were incurable, and they were first found in the Philippines and then transmitted to the Korean working girls via US military. The 'incurables' we were told were first taken back to a military hospital in the Philippines to quietly die. – 4um
Yes, your flat earth hypothetical BS is exactly that, bullshit. You can't even figure out why objects fall when dropped, and can't understand why there is day and night, nor why there are seasons, eclipses, or why the sun brings warmth to the planet. And you obviously are too cheap or lazy to buy yourself a telescope and view the planets of the solar system, and also observe the earths rotation which is plainly obvious if you're looking at a planet through that telescope. You would like to undo all the scientific progress we've made for the past 500 years and burn scientists at the stake for the crime of heresy. Why don't you set the example and toss your cellphone and PC into the dumpster? Oh so neither rockets nor missiles exist? Are you for real or are you another one of these anti-reality nuts? Jet engines burn fuel by mixing air with the fuel. Rocket engines burn fuel by mixing liquid oxygen with the fuel. This is 3rd grade stuff man. Rocket engines burn fuel by mixing liquid oxygen with the fuel. Ok, so you admit the REAL science that AIR and/or LIQUID OXYGEN is required to combust fuel.. Riddle us this, Batman: HOW do you "combust" fuel in the alleged VACUUM OF SPACE?? HOW does a vessel "propel" itself within the alleged "vacuum of space" for 238 THOUSAND miles?? (and please don't say, "Liquid Oxygen") So... Not only that, during the entire supposed round-trip to the Moon, sufficient fuel FOR 238,000 miles x 238,000 miles = 576,000 miles not only required for combustion, BUT AT LIFT-OFF FROM THE MOON! This is 3rd grade stuff man. It sure is, man. EXTRA CREDIT QUESTION (Anybody): HOW did the alleged NASA "space ships" combust and fire rockets -- PLUS have enough fuel aboard that space-craft -- to not only launch from the Moon, but travel ANOTHER supposed 238,000 miles BACK to Earth?? (Have you noted how tiny those Apollo "space ships" were?? According to your calculations (OR ANYONE ELSE -- what was the fuel capacity of these Apollo vessels? And again -- sustained combustion in a vacuum is IMPOSSIBLE.) One need to suspend all logic, common sense AND known "Science" to accept this series of NASA Moon-Mission HOAXES at face value to begin with. I realize we ALL bought the Fairy Tale from NASA and the "Scientific Communitah," but it is TIME TO WAKE UP!! (Now you know why TRUTH and "Truthers" are feared more than anything from the PTB and Silicon Valley/See Eye A -- and considered "dangerous") Thank, brutha... There is a treasure trove of this kind of eye-opening material and truth out there. Yeah...This particular researcher's productions are refined AND entertaining (you just have to get beyond the initial music; he's a millennial.) I've been wondering about jet propulsion in space and I frankly find it impossible to believe we send spacecraft billions of miles away to photograph Saturn or whatever. For both you AND me, all it took was a logic & common sense AND real-science look at this whole "propulsion in a vacuum" claim; Or of actually examining NASA's/Hoax Science Communitah's ridiculous other claims that ANY spacecraft from NASA traveled 238,000 miles in a vacuum -- never mind MILLIONS and BILLION of miles to other planets! (Yes, the 4K photographs of planets, their and suns are obvious bogus photoshopped or CGI -- referred to as "Images" NOT "photos" if you'll notice.) Btw, did you know NASA itself has an official Disney-like "studio" where all their cartoons and artist depictions are displayed to GA-GA Trekkies & fanbois of their Science Fiction imaging and fairy tales?? Yup. The rebuttal I hear is that jet planes thrust against the air, with rockets it's things exploding away from each other -- something like that. Didn't sound very plausible either. Hear ya. NOT. Plausible. Not close. The whole crock is just that -- AND DON'T ASK ANY QUESTIONS!! The PTB Solution (or rather, demand -- lest you be called a "CT" or "Kook," or (gulp) "Truther": Just perform Spock's Vulcan 'Live long and prosper' hand signal, kneel before the altar of NASA, the See Eye A, the 911 Blue Ribbon Commission, the Rockefeller Foundation, The R/D Parties, Einstein, Copernicus and Newton, and of course...trust theoretical "SCIENCE" and its CULT. BECAUSE...They wouldn't lie to us, would they? That's Bill Nye, "The Science Guy." The PTB constantly use him and Neil De Grasse Tyson on TV shows -- both rabid Atheists -- to shill for their NASA/Space Cult to further indoctrinate the pods and the ignorant. Both are idiots. (Nye is on record wanting to lock up "Climate Deniers." There is a great video of him and Tucker Carlson smacking him around on YT) Admiral Byrd reported seeing some really wild stuff on his last trip to the Antarctica, and shut him up by their favorite method -- psychiatric confinement. Yes...Byrd's TV interview from 1954 is amazing (on YT of course, not easy to find for obvious reasons.) The PTB first tried to portray Byrd as a nut (their favorite thing to do to those who reveal too much.) When that didn't work, they shut him up for good in 1957 when he died suddenly. COINCIDENTALLY...In 1958 NASA was created. By 1959 the Antarctica Treaty was signed by ALL the world's powers, suspiciously and severely restricting ALL exploration and travel there other than for military or VIP (as well as below the 60th parallel.) OF NOTE: Admiral Byrd was entrusted to lead conducted THREE separate missions to Antarctica during the 1950s...Then spilled the beans that NO ONE had ever seen the Antarctica interior, revealing too much. On the TV show he said looked forward to discoveries of the Antarctica-Beyond -- but NEVER MADE IT. Nor has anyone else. EVER. You're only regurgitating the SAME theoretical science we've ALL been taught from K-12, College, and of course -- TV. We've all heard it. All indoctrinated with it. And there it's sat, ingrained as "truth" within the depths of our subconscious "truth" life-paradigm. But now with the REAL truth readily available to us, myself and countless others are finally REJECTING THE INITIAL PROGRAMMING AS PURE 100% BS. ALL the answers to all the questions and truth you keep on requesting ARE AVAILABLE here at this very thread, in the about links to videos, or these and other vidd as well. Now if you refuse to access the many sources and REAL explanations -- or don't deem it worthy of your time -- that's on YOU. It's not my responsibility to spoon-feed you. Either you are determined and curious about truth or aren't. Sticking your fingers in your ears and singing "la-la-la-la" is not any viable or practical way to discover truth, seek it, or see/listen to it. BECAUSE.... You've been told that?? By whom, again? Einstein, Copernicus, Galileo, Newton, and Bill Nye?? "Un-imaginable number" and "Big Bang"/"Evolution" baloney is exactly what Atheists-Trekkies fantasize about. Why? EXACTLY because their cultist fantasy of an "Infinite Universe" and Man = Speck of Dust" makes God and His Creation AND God's Gospel, Judgement Day, and HIS Heaven/Hell Eternity disappear. Man's uniqueness is indeed as THE center of God's GEOCENTRIC Earth Model, His Firmament, His scriptural, TRUE descriptions of our Creation in The Bible. Riddle us this, Batman: HOW do you "combust" fuel in the alleged VACUUM OF SPACE?? HOW does a vessel "propel" itself within the alleged "vacuum of space" for 238 THOUSAND miles?? (and please don't say, "Liquid Oxygen") You're joking right? You admit that fuel is combusted with oxygen, whether it be from normal air or liquid oxygen. Yet you appear to think that the inside of a rocket engine has no fuel or oxygen, where you've admitted that it uses liquid oxygen. The OUTSIDE of a space craft is a vacuum, but the engine uses pressurized fuel and liquid oxygen. It is far from being a vacuum where the fuel combusts with the oxygen. This is elementary school stuff dude. Get yourself a 6th grade science book from the 70's and see what you've missed. As far as needing to "propel" itself for 238 thousand miles, it doesn't. A burn of the main engine is timed for a certain duration, then shut down. A fundamental law of motion is that an object will not accelerate without a force acting upon it. So once the desired velocity is reached, there is no further need for acceleration. The trajectory is plotted to utilize both earth and moon gravity so that the craft reaches moon orbit, with perhaps another engine burn to put it into final orbit. Go to school. HOW did the alleged NASA "space ships" combust and fire rockets -- PLUS have enough fuel aboard that space-craft -- to not only launch from the Moon, but travel ANOTHER supposed 238,000 miles BACK to Earth?? As previously answered, it doesn't burn fuel the entire way. You're thinking in terms of an airplane that needs to expend energy to pass through the air, as the air produces friction in the way of drag. An object traveling through a vacuum only needs to expend energy to accelerate, either positive acceleration or negative (as in deceleration). (Have you noted how tiny those Apollo "space ships" were?? According to your calculations (OR ANYONE ELSE -- what was the fuel capacity of these Apollo vessels? And again -- sustained combustion in a vacuum is IMPOSSIBLE.) Another repetition of the same invalid claims. It is neither sustained nor do rocket engines not use fuel or oxygen, they use both. One needs to suspend all intelligence to have such an ignorant view of the world. You don't even understand grade school stuff dude. I mean basics, like fire and stuff. (Now you know why TRUTH and "Truthers" are feared more than anything from the PTB and Silicon Valley/See Eye A -- and considered "dangerous") Yes dude, all the educated people on earth are crazy and you're the brilliant one, even though it seems you've never learned ANYTHING at ALL about science. If you're not simply a paid government shill sent here to waste our time and make the site look crazy, you most likely ARE dangerous, as you appear to suffer from paranoid schizophrenia. Acting like you have the understanding of Jimmy Jones disciples is purely cringe worthy. Are you REALLY that stupid and ignorant? Or have you been drugged and brainwashed? You've been told that?? The world as you imagine it is impossible. If you had any intelligence you'd understand that. I've given you examples of what you can't explain with your 2 dimensional world. You refuse to address them, because they'd be impossible to explain in your world. In fact, it seems if anything you are projecting, as it would appear you NEVER learned even the most fundamental elements of basic science, so you obviously didn't suddenly have this "revelation" of you living on a flat earth and logically think it through. Somebody convinced you of it apparently because you had no idea of how things actually work. That's if this isn't all an act of yours. I really get a kick out of these flat earth stooges who think we are all lying about how things work, yet they think we're so smart we can make CGI all over the place that fools people into thinking some things are real, like the earth is a sphere, we have satellites, a space station, etc. This is going back to the 60's even where the processing power of even the largest and most powerful computers were a fraction of what's in the average cellphone these days. And prior to the 60's? Go look at old scifi movies and see how realistic those special effects were. Look at Flash Gordon from the 30's. It was like a bottle rocket up the poop chute of a rocket ship. LOL!!! Here's a question for flat earthers. Which way is north on a flat earth map? Oh, the irony. NEWSFLASH: Hundreds of THOUSANDS are learning THE truth. That's why G00gle and Silicon Valley and MSM and the Govt are panicking over "dangerous" Flat Earth and 911 and "CTs"... YOU are more than welcome to remain immersed in monumental ignorance. It's never been easier to fool your ilk and keep them from asking inconvenient questions. "HEY!! I SAW IT ON TV SO IT MUST BE TRUE!!".... HEY!! I learned that in 6th Grade!!.... HEY!! I learned that from PBS and the Discovery Channel!!" What YOU deem "educated" is merely Crib-to-Grave indoctrination of regurgitated theories, disinformation, and LIES. It's not only sad, it's...pathetic. There's HARD science -- proven by repeatable scientific experiments, measurements, math, and observation -- and there's SOFT "science" -- THOSE are the un-proven, THEORETICAL about Earth-Space "Science" ones you and many others swallow without investigation or scrutiny. What YOU'VE investigated: .000001% of the available REAL sources of REAL science and truth out there RIGHT NOW. Your attention span lasted all of 4 minutes and 32 seconds -- as you admitted up-thread It's not my fault if you trust anyone in a lab-coat; It's not my fault you refuse to question or challenge the very same authorities and institutions who've lied to us (and lie even more today) on a regular basis. Be a paranoid lunatic. YES, EMBRACE IT! Then...return to your deep comatose. Triple up on the Blue Pill. Re-embrace your Matrix. You are THE perfect obedient POD for your Elite Overlords. NEVER QUESTION YOUR MASTERS. I don't care WHAT Fairy Tale you continue to believe as gospel. You've proven repeatedly totally incapable of thinking outside the tiny little box in which you reside. It's beyond your grasp. Don't worry about it, Magellan. "HEY!! I SAW IT ON TV SO IT MUST BE TRUE!!".... HEY!! I learned that in 6th Grade!!.... HEY!! I learned that from PBS and the Discovery Channel!!" That is apparently your only exposure to what you believe to be science, except substitute YouTube for TV in your case. But it's clear you never made it past the 1st grade part, as you obviously don't even know what fire is. Tell me, what is fire. Don't worry about it, Magellan. You can't answer because there is no answer, the compass directions wouldn't work out on your fictitious map. Bwaahaa!! Projecting, Magellan? Jimmy Jones would have made you his lieutenant at FormerLurker Town..er...I mean, Jonestown. Q: If the Three Stooges wore NASA lab coats, would you most trust Curley to run 'Mission Control'? And lose the ridiculously humongous "ORWELL" quote and photo avatar. You're an anti-Orwell. It's insulting to his memory AND anyone who's actually read AND understood the book. Hundreds of THOUSANDS are learning THE truth. That's why G00gle and Silicon Valley and MSM and the Govt are panicking over "dangerous" Flat Earth and 911 and "CTs"... I doubt there are more than maybe a few thousand flat earthers on the planet, even adding in the native peoples of the Amazon and the jungles of Africa. Panicking? LOL!!! No, just shaking our heads on how delusional you are. Of course, it's most likely not a case of insanity in your case. I see you took the opportunity to lump REAL truth in terms of 9/11 and other topics deemed to be "CT" with your loony claims. That is exactly what I suggested way back in this thread, you are here to discredit ALL so-called "CT" researchers and writers by associating your idiotic views with them. You're a living example of what Orwell was trying to warn us about. What is fire? What is fire? Here's one that I'm sure is well past your understanding, but I'll ask anyways. What is thrust in terms of propulsion? Did you know solid state physics is based upon theoretical concepts that have been proven by experimentation, and utilizes very advanced math and physical principles? You can't seem to understand the most basic of concepts that men have known for centuries by observation, experimentation, and exploration. Things that people take for granted each passing day such as the Internet, computers, TVs, radio, air travel, etc.. Yet you think we can create all this whiz bang stuff ignoring all the most basic of principles. LOL The answer of this question is obviously not for you, Lurker... This realm -- given it obvious that it is NOT a "globe" -- is a flat plane. According to the Azimuthal Equidistant Projection Map, it is used the world over to determine the useful properties that all points on the map. Why? because they display the proportionally correct distances from the center point, and that all points on the map are at the correct azimuth (direction) from the center point. It is also THIS general map that the UN and world agencies use to display our realm. You are totally misled and/or ignorant on this issue. (with all due respect) The UN type world map is not used for navigation, it is used to present the sphere of the earth onto a 2 dimensional plane. Actual maps used for navigation follow mathematical projections that can be used to navigate by compass. Ever been in Boy Scouts? Myself I wrote software to take actual pixel information from a weather satellite, and using a Lambert Conformal map projection algorithm to plot the necessary geodetic coordinates, plotted the pixel data from the satellite into the pixel location for that specific coordinate. It created an actual image of a 3 dimensional visual snapshot of the earth plotted onto a 2 dimensional surface (the picture recorded by the satellite), then plotted onto a 2 dimensional map of the US, such as what you see on TV weather or road maps. So dude, you're messing with the wrong guy. If I were some stoned out kid in Jr. High, maybe you could convince me. But I'm not. On your map you'd have to keep steering to the left to follow the coastline of Antarctica if you're heading east. It real life you have to steer to the right. Did you know you can actually take a cruise ship to Antarctica? Given the Azimuthal Equidistant Projection Map is THE one universally accepted map of all navigation, flight, and mapping... Look at the map again. One can why exactly why routes from say Santiago Chlie to Auckland, NZ would stop near LAX. It's almost directly on the straight route to Auckland according to the AEP Map. You'll also find stops on the globe often make NO sense -- UNTIL you see the AEP Map. Have you always believed in this nonsense? On the real planet earth you can fly over the north pole and heading directly south towards the south pole and flying directly over it, you'd be heading back to the north pole again heading north. It's what they call a polar orbit. Any real navigation is based upon spherical earth coordinates. What is fire? Oh, man...duuuude.... Do you really want to get into the Antarctica recreational trips and Limited Access issue? The so-called Cruises" are VERY limited, many phantom/shell companies, cruising ultimately ONLY by the very outskirts of Antarctica. The tourists wave to the penguins, explore NOTHING. BUT...tell everyone, "I VISITED THE ANTARCTICA!" I've many hours of investigation into this and welcome your challenge. (I'll expect you to do some investigation yourself -- not a drive-by wave at a video.) It's what your pants are on as you continue to masquerade as a lab coat expert of "science." In your make believe map, the latitude lines following east and west wouldn't make any sense, since it would indicate instead of going south west to get to Australia from Los Angeles, you'd have to travel north instead if you're looking for the shortest route. That is ludicrous. What is fire? So you admit you can't define it. STOP. You're only spamming nonsense. Retire your GATEKEEPER BADGE. Remove your Orwell Avatar. UPLOAD a Sgt. Schultz Avatar. (You're welcome) So to you, anyone who can explain what fire actually is must be guilty of fraud of some type.
Admit that you post this shit to waste people's time and discredit the actual truth movement by lumping them in with your whacky and tacky charade.
Here is the definition off the top of my head. Fire is the result of a chemical reaction where a fuel oxidizes and gives off heat and light energy. A gas is also produced upon the oxidation of fuels, in some cases more violently than others. In cases of rapid oxidation, the gas is produced at such an intense rate the result is an instant pressurization of the surrounding area. This is often called an explosion. A rocket engine works by way of the controlled yet rapid oxidation of fuel thus producing a high volume of gas rapidly in order to generate thrust. Thus, your claim that rockets can't operate in the vacuum of space illustrates how uninformed you are. Thanks for all that info. Wish such was as 'forthcoming' from everybody here. Apparently I was wrong about Adm. Byrd being given the Ezra Pound treatment (consigned to a nut house to shut him up) -- can't find a trace of any such thing online. But here's the wild stuff he brought back, minus the formatting: https://medium.com/the-weird-closet/the-strange-hollow-earth-case-of-admiral- richard-byrd-7469a62264fc The Strange “Hollow Earth” Case of Admiral Richard Byrd Alexandria Ducksworth Jun 25, 2018 · 4 min read Tim Evanson via flickr “There comes a time when the rationality of men must fade into insignificance and one must accept the inevitability of the Truth! I am not at liberty to disclose the following documentation at this writing…perhaps it shall never see the light of public scrutiny, but I must do duty and record here for all to read one day. In a world of greed and exploitation of mankind can no longer suppress that which is truth.” Medal of Honor recipient Admiral Richard E. Byrd allegedly wrote his encounter with a lost civilization in Antarctica. According to Hollow Earth theorists, Byrd met ancient race underground in the South Pole. How was this left out from Byrd’s mission: Operation Highjump? Could it be one big hoax conspiracy theorists love to fantasize? According to Byrd’s “diary,” the government ordered Byrd to remain silent for what he witnessed during his Arctic assignment: March 11, 1947 “I have just attended a Staff Meeting at the Pentagon. I have stated fully my discovery and the message from the Master. All is duly recorded. The President has been advised. I am now detained for several hours (six hours, thirty- nine minutes, to be exact.) I am interviewed intently by Top Security Forces and a Medical Team. It was an ordeal!!!! I am placed under strict control via the National Security provisions of this United States of America. I am ORDERED TO REMAIN SILENT IN REGARD TO ALL THAT I HAVE LEARNED, ON THE BEHALF OF HUMANITY!!! Incredible! I am reminded that I am a Military Man and I must obey orders.” After many polar accomplishments, Byrd organized Operation Highjump in 1947. The objective: construct an American training and research facility in the South Pole. “Bulldozer clears path during Operation Highjump” via Wikimedia A simple military task, right? Some say the American government sent their troops to the South Pole for any evidence of the rumored German Base 211. Nazis were fascinated with anything regarding the Aryan race. They traveled all over the world including Antarctica to learn more of alleged origins. The Germans did make their mark in the South Pole. However, what they have discovered doesn’t compared to what Byrd recorded in his diary. AGARTHA: ANTARCTICA’S SECRET “Inside the Hollow Earth” via Big Think For thousands of years, people all over the world have written legends about Agartha (sometimes called Agarta or Agarthi), the underground city. Did Byrd find it? He met “The Master,” the city’s leader, who told him of his concerns about the surface world: “Our interest rightly begins just after your Race exploded the first atomic bombs over Hiroshima and Nagasaki, Japan. It was that alarming time we sent our flying machines, the ‘Flugelrads’ to your surface world to investigate what your Race had done…You see, we have never interfered before in your Race’s wars and barbarity. But now we must, for you have learned to tamper with a certain power that is not for your Man, mainly that of atomic energy. Our emissaries have already delivered messages to the power of your World, and yet they do not heed.” Apparently, the government knew about Agartha before Byrd. According to the Master, places such as Tibet, the Great Pyramid of Giza, and the North Pole all have tunnels leading to Agartha. What else did the Master teach Byrd? What about the rest of the Operation Highjump crew? Byrd didn’t uncover the underground world alone. Whether the whole Hollow Earth story is fact or fiction, it’s great to imagine there are still hidden civilizations out there in the world. BOOKS If you’re interested in more about Richard Byrd and the Hollow Earth/Agartha theory, check out the following: HOLLOW EARTH The Kingdom of Agarttha: A Journey into the Hollow Earth by Marquis Alexandre Saint Yves d’Alveydre The Missing Diary of Admiral Richard E. Byrd The Smoky God: A Voyage to the Inner World by Walter George Emerson World Beyond the Poles: Physical Continuity of the Universe by F. Amadeo Giannini RICHARD BYRD Alone: The Classic Polar Adventures by Richard E. Byrd Discover: The Story of the Second Byrd Antarctic Expedition by Richard Evelyn Bird, Jr. Exploring with Byrd: Episodes of an Adventurous Life by Richard Evelyn Byrd Jr. Little America: Aerial Exploration in the Antarctic, The Flight to the South Pole by Richard Evelyn Byrd, Jr. The Weird Closet If you’re looking for news about ghosts, Bigfoot, UFO, and whatnot, this is the place for you. ;-) Follow 43 Hollow Earth Richard Byrd Operation Highjump Agartha Conspiracy Theories 43 claps Clicking for the missing diary, it gets a wide variety of Amazon reviews.... https://www.amazon.com/Missing-Diary-Admiral-Richard- Byrd/dp/0938294911/ref=pd_lpo_sbs_14_t_1? _encoding=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=6VXE981QQHD3NB84P7PN _____________________________________________________________ USA! USA! USA! Bringing you democracy, or else! there were strains of VD that were incurable, and they were first found in the Philippines and then transmitted to the Korean working girls via US military. The 'incurables' we were told were first taken back to a military hospital in the Philippines to quietly die. – 4um
Don't expect Liberator to agree or disagree with you on this, as there is no mention of an ancient race or a hollow earth in the bible. He won't disagree with you as he sees you as a whacky theory comrade and needs your support. Well he knows how to be civil, I'll give him that.
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https://medium.com/the-weird-closet/the-strange-hollow-earth-case-of-admiral- richard-byrd-7469a62264fc The Strange “Hollow Earth” Case of Admiral Richard Byrd Alexandria Ducksworth Jun 25, 2018 · 4 min read Tim Evanson via flickr “There comes a time when the rationality of men must fade into insignificance and one must accept the inevitability of the Truth! I am not at liberty to disclose the following documentation at this writing…perhaps it shall never see the light of public scrutiny, but I must do duty and record here for all to read one day. In a world of greed and exploitation of mankind can no longer suppress that which is truth.” Medal of Honor recipient Admiral Richard E. Byrd allegedly wrote his encounter with a lost civilization in Antarctica. According to Hollow Earth theorists, Byrd met ancient race underground in the South Pole. How was this left out from Byrd’s mission: Operation Highjump? Could it be one big hoax conspiracy theorists love to fantasize? According to Byrd’s “diary,” the government ordered Byrd to remain silent for what he witnessed during his Arctic assignment: March 11, 1947 “I have just attended a Staff Meeting at the Pentagon. I have stated fully my discovery and the message from the Master. All is duly recorded. The President has been advised. I am now detained for several hours (six hours, thirty- nine minutes, to be exact.) I am interviewed intently by Top Security Forces and a Medical Team. It was an ordeal!!!! I am placed under strict control via the National Security provisions of this United States of America. I am ORDERED TO REMAIN SILENT IN REGARD TO ALL THAT I HAVE LEARNED, ON THE BEHALF OF HUMANITY!!! Incredible! I am reminded that I am a Military Man and I must obey orders.” After many polar accomplishments, Byrd organized Operation Highjump in 1947. The objective: construct an American training and research facility in the South Pole. “Bulldozer clears path during Operation Highjump” via Wikimedia A simple military task, right? Some say the American government sent their troops to the South Pole for any evidence of the rumored German Base 211. Nazis were fascinated with anything regarding the Aryan race. They traveled all over the world including Antarctica to learn more of alleged origins. The Germans did make their mark in the South Pole. However, what they have discovered doesn’t compared to what Byrd recorded in his diary. AGARTHA: ANTARCTICA’S SECRET “Inside the Hollow Earth” via Big Think For thousands of years, people all over the world have written legends about Agartha (sometimes called Agarta or Agarthi), the underground city. Did Byrd find it? He met “The Master,” the city’s leader, who told him of his concerns about the surface world: “Our interest rightly begins just after your Race exploded the first atomic bombs over Hiroshima and Nagasaki, Japan. It was that alarming time we sent our flying machines, the ‘Flugelrads’ to your surface world to investigate what your Race had done…You see, we have never interfered before in your Race’s wars and barbarity. But now we must, for you have learned to tamper with a certain power that is not for your Man, mainly that of atomic energy. Our emissaries have already delivered messages to the power of your World, and yet they do not heed.” Apparently, the government knew about Agartha before Byrd. According to the Master, places such as Tibet, the Great Pyramid of Giza, and the North Pole all have tunnels leading to Agartha. What else did the Master teach Byrd? What about the rest of the Operation Highjump crew? Byrd didn’t uncover the underground world alone. Whether the whole Hollow Earth story is fact or fiction, it’s great to imagine there are still hidden civilizations out there in the world. BOOKS If you’re interested in more about Richard Byrd and the Hollow Earth/Agartha theory, check out the following: HOLLOW EARTH The Kingdom of Agarttha: A Journey into the Hollow Earth by Marquis Alexandre Saint Yves d’Alveydre The Missing Diary of Admiral Richard E. Byrd The Smoky God: A Voyage to the Inner World by Walter George Emerson World Beyond the Poles: Physical Continuity of the Universe by F. Amadeo Giannini RICHARD BYRD Alone: The Classic Polar Adventures by Richard E. Byrd Discover: The Story of the Second Byrd Antarctic Expedition by Richard Evelyn Bird, Jr. Exploring with Byrd: Episodes of an Adventurous Life by Richard Evelyn Byrd Jr. Little America: Aerial Exploration in the Antarctic, The Flight to the South Pole by Richard Evelyn Byrd, Jr. The Weird Closet If you’re looking for news about ghosts, Bigfoot, UFO, and whatnot, this is the place for you. ;-) Clicking for the missing diary, it gets a wide variety of Amazon reviews.... https://www.amazon.com/Missing-Diary-Admiral-Richard- Byrd/dp/0938294911/ref=pd_lpo_sbs_14_t_1? _encoding=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=6VXE981QQHD3NB84P7PN Good research, NN... (I had to re-format the above a bit to better read it.) Your Ezra Pound theory on Admiral Byrd's eventual "send-the-nut-away!" plight was a natural assumption, wasn't it? They had a more permanet "solution" for him as it turned out. ;-) Anyway...interesting sources for theories and info on both Antarctica and Admiral Byrd. You see -- THIS is exactly the kind of exploration and probing for information and subjects we were NOT going to be exposed to by ANY degree by either Public School, College, PBS/History Channel/Discovery, etal. We must seek and find hidden knowledge ourselves. Some of the claims and info I am a bit familiar with; Like...Nazi exploration and establishment of bases, catacombs that spiral deep underground, areas of de-iced "Oases," etc. ) Thanks also for the book recommendations. With an open mind, I'd actually read, 'Beyond the Poles: Physical Continuity of the Universe' by F. Amadeo Giannini It started with some promise, then veered off the tracks. I did not find most of his claim or main thesis credible -- although some of it MAY BE plausible (and THE keyword to all of any theory as to what may lie within Antarctica is, "plausible." Or even "possible.") With respect to Admiral Byrd's so-called "diary," (supposedly published by his son), claims of "Hollow Earth," and "Ancient Races" either at the North Pole OR Antarctica can't be proven...OR...dis-proven, can they? (Given the Antarctica Treaty of 1959 -- signed just 2 years after the Admiral's mysterious, untimely death -- the curious, like you, myself, Wudidiz, and courageous crew of Freedom4um Truther Nuts -- are restricted to explore what it truly represents: "THE FINAL FRONTIER.") Some theorize the Admiral's alleged "diary" was created solely to discredit HIM -- as well as any and all of what "secrets" Admiral Byrd divulged to others about what he and his personnel witnessed during 'High Jump' and 'Deep Freeze'. The truth is: WE JUST DON'T KNOW WHAT LIES in the great beyond of Antarctica. Even as of 1954 Admiral Byrd admitted on a TV Show that Antarctica is a land NO ONE has explored. Well...at least not "officially." Even if SOME have, they haven't divulged it, nor is there sufficient testimony.) WHAT WE KNOW: 1) Admiral Byrd led THREE large military operations to conduct Missions: UNKNOWN - including three named, 'High Jump' (1946), 'Windmill' (1947) and 'Deep Freeze' (1955). Admiral Byrd was DEAD just two years after 'Operation: DEEP FREEZE'. DID HE KNOW TOO MUCH?? NASA was created in 1958 (with Nazi Scientists and Occultists.) The next year, 1959, The Antarctica Treaty was created, which halted and restricted ANY and ALL independent exploration. 2) The information collected during the last three Antarctica Missions were CLASSIFIED/ TOP SECRET 3) MINIMAL information was shared with the general public on the nature of the missions, discoveries, AND revelations. The MSM made sure the pods found that acceptable. 4) Said missions were claimed NEVER to have made it beyond 200 miles or so (so who knows exactly what lies within this realm's interior -- whether we live on a "Globe" or indeterminate extended Flat-earth plane? 5) Byrd curiously referred to Antarctica as a "Band of Ice" (which is exactly how it appears on an official Azimuthal Equidistant Projection Map (or any "Flat Earth" map by any other name) Here's an interesting hit & miss documentary on Antarctica. It properly and immediately questioned the validity of mapping Antarctica -- but MINUS hundreds of thousand of miles gaping-hole amidst the center of entire continent -- then ignores that entire issue for the rest of the doc... Otherwise, still a worthy source of info, history, and theory. Subsequently, Antarctica, Admiral Byrd, its various Operations and Missions, and teasing-theories are discussed --NONE of which curiously mention the scary phrase, "FLAT EARTH": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NFUJ3A-h-1Y I hear Eli Lily and Merck are doing WONDROUS things for chronic OCD, paranoia and delusion these days. How long has your condition been hovering at DEFCON 1? Though I'm not a physician or psychiatrist, witnessing the obvious symptoms leads me to strongly recommend that kind of "support." STAT. Oh, that's right -- they gave him a General Patton treatment? Taking your doc for a spin. That female voice is often heard in BrasscheckTV's great stuff. _____________________________________________________________ USA! USA! USA! Bringing you democracy, or else! there were strains of VD that were incurable, and they were first found in the Philippines and then transmitted to the Korean working girls via US military. The 'incurables' we were told were first taken back to a military hospital in the Philippines to quietly die. – 4um
Now now, don't bite the bait or give any either. Just a suggestion :-3 _____________________________________________________________ USA! USA! USA! Bringing you democracy, or else! there were strains of VD that were incurable, and they were first found in the Philippines and then transmitted to the Korean working girls via US military. The 'incurables' we were told were first taken back to a military hospital in the Philippines to quietly die. – 4um
I've never met anybody before you that flunked 1st grade science. You couldn't even explain what fire was.
Right, as long as you agree with him. You're providing plenty of troll bait for Liberator. You're providing plenty of troll bait for Liberator. ROTFLOL! "When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke
You started the scrapping, bro -- and over the shape of the earth!?! That is RIDICULOUS.
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Would you agree with someone who told you fire is actually not hot, the government has been LYING to you about it? It's at about the same level of absurdity. It's not just the shape of the earth that is being denied by the other person, he claims gravity doesn't exist, people never navigated across the globe, the sky is a giant CGI projection (mind you computers didn't exist prior to WWII, and even then they used vacuum tubes and took up a warehouse sized building to do simple calculations), and other such nonsensical things. The fact is that it's been well established that the 9/11 truth movement has been infiltrated by such people to discredit them, and most likely it's a government operation. We have a live one here. Who made you his fact checker, though? He is most certainly NOT a ringer. Weren't you here when he was before? It's inconceivable they've salted the 911 truth movement with flat earthers to discredit it. And I don't think anybody here is in liable to be persuaded of the flat earth -- but if they are it's their choice, right? We have a shortage of players around here. Lib is the only one left freely conversing with me like in the old days. Don't run him off. _____________________________________________________________ USA! USA! USA! Bringing you democracy, or else! there were strains of VD that were incurable, and they were first found in the Philippines and then transmitted to the Korean working girls via US military. The 'incurables' we were told were first taken back to a military hospital in the Philippines to quietly die. – 4um
Who made you his fact checker, though? He is most certainly NOT a ringer. Weren't you here when he was before? Who made you forum cop? He started pouring his nuttery out and attacking people who weren't nuts like him. You do realize he's playing you right? He claims Antarctica doesn't exist, you have posted that Antarctica is the entrance to the inner earth. The two viewpoints inherently violate each other's fundamental premise. Yet he doesn't contradict you because he needs your support to continue acting as if he's the messenger of the "real" truth. You see, I can't stand people pouring out disinformation on a forum I've been posting on since not long after it was created. Myself I challenge people who make outlandish claims to prove their point, and perhaps answer some very simple questions that I might ask about their claims. Liberator has NOT answered any of them. So yeah, he's a troll. You say it's INCONCEIVABLE that the government would try to discredit the 9/11 truth movement? HUH????? That's because the horizon is only 3 miles away, and the power lines stretch over the lake for 15 miles. I wonder how flat earthers explain the horizon. One other thing NN. I've been an engineer for 35 years and majored in physics. If you were a carpenter, would you just sit back and listen to someone tell everybody that carpenters don't really use nails, they use glue to build new houses? Or if you were a plumber, would you listen and smile in agreement with someone who states that plumbers are all involved a worldwide conspiracy to run waste water back into the water main? It insults me personally to hear quackery about flat earth, as it isn't just ridiculously ignorant of real basic facts and lacks any common sense, it accuses all scientists and engineers on the planet of conspiring to trick people into believing lies (for some unknown reason), and have been doing so for thousands of years. You are choosing to make it a huge big deal and get all worked up over it, my friend, and I can't say you come off looking better overall as long as it keeps up.
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You see? That's not what I said. You're so overwrought you're misquoting me.
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You're joking right? This is EXACTLY what you said; From Post 327 In Post 328 I said; So explain to me how I misquoted you. Don't know how that could have happened -- I checked your wording and mine 3x. I have a sleep problem and might have been groggy. But I srsly don't think Lib is a Fed or stooge -- he shows no other earmarks, quite the contrary. Right or wrong, flat earth has persuaded a lot of people known to be quite sincere.... not including me of course. Other players here aren't 99 44/100 pure in their content, you know -- and nobody jumps up to denounce their bad stuff. Where did I say "that Antarctica is the entrance to the inner earth" -- post 328? _____________________________________________________________ USA! USA! USA! Bringing you democracy, or else! there were strains of VD that were incurable, and they were first found in the Philippines and then transmitted to the Korean working girls via US military. The 'incurables' we were told were first taken back to a military hospital in the Philippines to quietly die. – 4um
Right or wrong, flat earth has persuaded a lot of people known to be quite sincere.... not including me of course. Being sincere doesn't make one honest or correct, as a pathological liar can appear to be totally and absolutely sincere. Then there are the schizophrenics that actually believe their delusions are true. Other players here aren't 99 44/100 pure in their content, you know -- and nobody jumps up to denounce their bad stuff. If I see something dishonest being posted I call it out. Where did I say "that Antarctica is the entrance to the inner earth" -- post 328? Isn't that the gist of the Byrd story? Or perhaps I'm confusing it with another story about an aircraft flying near the north pole whose crew saw the entrance surrounded by forests and waterfalls. Forgot who was supposed to be the main character of that one. But ok, the Byrd story speaks of UFOs attacking his ships or something, right? www.youtube.com/watch? v=G...XNE&ab_channel=ODDReality
Use your words to speak. I'm not clicking on YouTube links to find out what you're trying to say.
"Being sincere doesn't make one honest or correct" -- that's coocoo like Cocoa Puffs coocoo like Cocoa Puffs COOCOO LIKE COCOA PUFFS. The 'honest' part, not the 'correct' part. "If I see something dishonest being posted I call it out" -- it's way beyond that, totally out of control. "Isn't that the gist of the Byrd story......? Not from my POV. In your spluttering rage you're confusing me with Lib. I'm the one who's asking questions about all this -- please review my #110 and dial it down already. _____________________________________________________________ USA! USA! USA! Bringing you democracy, or else! there were strains of VD that were incurable, and they were first found in the Philippines and then transmitted to the Korean working girls via US military. The 'incurables' we were told were first taken back to a military hospital in the Philippines to quietly die. – 4um
Very interesting, wud! Almost thou persuadest me to be a believer ;) And I feel a song coming on after those vistas..... _____________________________________________________________ USA! USA! USA! Bringing you democracy, or else! there were strains of VD that were incurable, and they were first found in the Philippines and then transmitted to the Korean working girls via US military. The 'incurables' we were told were first taken back to a military hospital in the Philippines to quietly die. – 4um
"Being sincere doesn't make one honest or correct" -- that's coocoo like Cocoa Puffs coocoo like Cocoa Puffs COOCOO LIKE COCOA PUFFS. The 'honest' part, not the 'correct' part. All politicians appear sincere. Yet are they all honest? "If I see something dishonest being posted I call it out" -- it's way beyond that, totally out of control. I see someone losing control, but it's not me. "Isn't that the gist of the Byrd story......? Not from my POV. In your spluttering rage you're confusing me with Lib. I try to have a civil discussion with you and then you start raging, and then say I'm the one raging. I see a case of projection here... I'm the one who's asking questions about all this -- please review my #110 and dial it down already. I don't see you asking any questions here, just making a snide comment.. Are you having another one of those senior moments? You apparently missed my remark here... But ok, the Byrd story speaks of UFOs attacking his ships or something, right? I honestly don't know what he saw, and I certainly haven't alleged anything on that subject. There are numerous conflicting accounts online. The harder I try to grab hold of anything definitely strange in his regard (including right now) the more elusive it gets.
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Sometimes asking questions takes the form of throwing things into a discussion and seeing what anybody has to say about it. This is 4um, not MIT. You and Lib take it from here on the shape of the earth -- I really don't care about it that much. Am impressed by your scientific grasp of things and don't to profess to an iota of it myself. _____________________________________________________________ USA! USA! USA! Bringing you democracy, or else! there were strains of VD that were incurable, and they were first found in the Philippines and then transmitted to the Korean working girls via US military. The 'incurables' we were told were first taken back to a military hospital in the Philippines to quietly die. – 4um
Turns out I wasn't wrong about the Byrd connection to the hollow earth/polar entrance story, it's just I had the poles mixed up. The story claims Byrd found the entrance at the North Pole, not South. From Hollow Earth Theory and Admiral Byrd: Proof of an Inner Earth? In 1947 Byrd allegedly undertook another flight over the North Pole. This time, in a diary that didn’t surface until years later, Byrd recorded events as he flew into the earth, and encountered the inhabitants who live there. Allegedly, he landed his craft, and spoke with a representative of the city of Agartha (referred to as Ariana in some accounts), who reprimanded him for humanity’s recent invention of the atomic bomb, and warned that a dark age is to come if humans don’t shape up. Byrd was sent on his way, with instructions to bring this message back to the surface people. Thanks. I've always loved science as well as scifi.. I bet you just loved the Star Trek series too. ;) "When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke
In my youth I read a lot of scifi -- especially Asimov -- but was never a scifi film fan. But if I had been, say 13 or 14 in 1956 when Forbidden Planet was released, I might have become a scifi film fan. And not because of the robot.
I read Foundation Trilogy for a book report in Jr. High. Loved the story. Yes, but before then there was even better stuff on TV. I'd watch the original Outer Limits, it'd give me nightmares but I was addicted to it at an early age. The Invaders was a great show as well. Hey, just seeing this. Thanks for all your effort in providing the titles and links!! I realize you and anyone who considers the earth to be flat is thought to be ignorant, stupid, and just plain dumb. What of it? I've been called worse! I AM ignorant, stupid and dumb when it comes to science and some other subjects I daydreamed my way through, buckling down and studying long enough to get an A or at least a B on tests so I could get back to the business of daydreaming. I would LOVE LOVE LOVE for flat earth to be true! That would sure make Babylon fall in an hour. I did watch a video a few months back with a guy and gal who worked for NASA, and if they can be believed, and I didn't feel like they were lying, they found out first hand that Antarctica is not a continent, and SHE heard some NASA engineers chortling to themselves about how they didn't "believe" how Americans bought in to the "moon landings". They said everything is compartmentalized, and on a need-to-know basis, and that's why even many folks who work at NASA can't put the pieces of a mass deception together. I will probably be flamed for saying this. I couldn't care less. I can't watch these right now, but am making a note to myself to come back to these when time allows. Right now I am on to something else that has me incredibly pissed and fit to be tied. This is war. Thanks again for the links!! ====================== ps... NASA's roots are Nazi, Disney, Space Program, and Cultist "Magic"/Wizardry. https://youtu.be/ZR296RWS0yM can't watch right now, but I was thinking along these lines: NASA's spiritual roots are the Satanic Kabbalah. "...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm
You can't see the North Star from south of the Equator. Likewise you cannot see the Southern Cross from north of the Equator. ;) "When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke
"If they can get you asking the wrong questions, they don't have to worry about answers" ~ Thomas Pynchon Gravity's Rainbow
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200 Proofs Earth is Not a Spinning Ball
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#7. To: noone222 (#5)
I am wondering "where is the breeze" ?
#8. To: Cynicom (#2)
#9. To: Lod (#8)
I thought that he'd fallen off the edge.
#10. To: noone222 (#5)
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination 
#11. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#6)
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#12. To: wudidiz (#0)
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#13. To: Lod (#8)
I thought that he'd fallen off the edge.
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#14. To: Cynicom, noone222 (#7)
The rotation speed at the poles is zero but there is always a wind factor.
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#15. To: Pinguinite (#3)
They are not "proofs". They are arguments, and all I've considered are, to various degrees, easily dismissed.
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#16. To: FormerLurker (#14)
There is primarily the matter of inertia. An object will stay in motion unless acted upon by an external force. Everything on earth stays at the same relative motion unless acted upon by an external force, including gravity which pulls everything towards the center of the planet.
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"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
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#21. To: Dakmar (#18)
But the batter is a liquid, there is no friction. :)
#22. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#20)
I may not get out alive.
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#24. To: BTP Holdings (#21)
But the batter is a liquid, there is no friction. :)
Those who most loudly denounce Fake News are typically those most aggressively disseminating it.
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#26. To: Pinguinite, wudidiz, ALL (#3)
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They are not "proofs". They are arguments, and all I've considered are, to various degrees, easily dismissed.
It is devastatingly effective and convincing.
#27. To: Pinguinite (#19)
...there's no blaming NASA for lying or scrutinizing pictures that may have been CGI enhanced.
#28. To: Liberator (#26)
Actually, what's advance here is more like "evidences."
Not only are NONE are "easily dismissed," but to various degrees IMPOSSIBLE to dismiss. Period. (Please let go of your single objection regarding the flight from Chile to NZ and focus instead on some OTHER points/objections.)
(Please let go of your single objection regarding the flight from Chile to NZ and focus instead on some OTHER points/objections.)
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#31. To: Cynicom (#29)
Here on earth, two pillars of Verazano bridge are perpendicular.
Two pillars are inch and half further apart at top than base's.
Curvature of earth measured.
#32. To: Pinguinite (#31)
Maybe the difference is due to construction anomalies and not earth curvature? E.g. are these pillars the same width at the bottom as they are at the top? Are they perfectly vertical?
#33. To: BTP Holdings, Pingunite, All (#32)
I trust the calculations, but it doesn't work well as a counter to flat earth. Reason: Have you verified this difference? Do you know anyone who has? Can those claims be trusted? Maybe the difference is due to construction anomalies and not earth curvature? E.g. are these pillars the same width at the bottom as they are at the top? Are they perfectly vertical? Lots of room for counter arguments.
#34. To: Cynicom (#33)
I trust Ping is funning us.
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#36. To: Pinguinite (#34)
If you want to give a flat-earther something they have a hard time challenging, you have to do better than presenting this bridge as evidence.
#37. To: Cynicom (#35)
The inch and a half was on the drawing boards BEFORE THE BRIDGE WAS BUILT.
The ancients knew it before they laid the foundations for their pyramids.
Without looking how did they "level" for the foundation over such an expanse?
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#41. To: Cynicom (#40)
Ancients perhaps were more observant and able to think than some.
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flat-earthism
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I think my favorite argument against flat earth is the time it takes to fly form Chile to New Zealand.
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#48. To: Liberator (#27)
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#49. To: Liberator (#26)
Einstein's "Relativism" is especially interesting in that his theory (yes, even HE admitted it could NOT be proven) was cooked up specifically to disprove the Michelson-Morley experiment which proved the earth is NOT SPINNING (look it up.)
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#50. To: FormerLurker (#47)
There is no flat earth explanation for why a compass works,
why the stars are different in the northern hemisphere and the southern hemisphere, why they revolve around the celestial poles,
why they people can't see the Eiffel tower and the Himalayas from a mountain top using a telescope, why the motions of the planets are predictable, etc...
You'd have to erase any intelligence, logic, or rational thought a person has for them to believe in a flat earth.
#51. To: Pinguinite, 4 (#28)
That's fine, as long as it's understood that evidence is not proof. Finding a footprint of a unique shoe belonging to someone is evidence the person was there, but not proof.
#52. To: Dakmar, 4 (#38)
#53. To: Pinguinite, Cynicom (#31)
I trust the calculations, but it doesn't work well as a counter to flat earth. Reason: Have you verified this difference? Do you know anyone who has? Can those claims be trusted? Maybe the difference is due to construction anomalies and not earth curvature?
#54. To: Cynicom (#33)
Thousands of years ago, the builders of the Great Pyramids were well aware of earth curvature.
#55. To: Pinguinite, Cynicom (#34)
It doesn't mean a 1.5 inch margin of error for construction of a bridge that size would be outside acceptable tolerances.
#56. To: Cynicom (#35)
The ancients knew it before they laid the foundations for their pyramids.Without looking how did they "level" for the foundation over such an expanse?
#57. To: StraitGate (#36)
#58. To: Pinguinite (#37)
To find out what's level over a large distance, they could have easily just dug a long trench and filled it with water. Water not flowing will reveal the exact same altitude on both ends.
#59. To: Pinguinite, Cynicom (#41)
The ancients solved problems like how to move massive rocks of dozens of tons using only manual labor -- an art pretty much lost just due to inventions making the old ways obsolete. But sometimes more credit is given to them than is due.
#60. To: Liberator (#52)
Place a straight piece of paper over the horizon...
#61. To: titorite (#44)
#62. To: Dakmar (#60)
#63. To: Liberator (#62)
#64. To: FormerLurker, Pinguinite (#47)
You'd have to erase any intelligence, logic, or rational thought a person has for them to believe in a flat earth.
#65. To: Dakmar (#63)
#66. To: Liberator (#65)
#67. To: FormerLurker (#48)
What do you think is the purpose of explorers and scientists throughout history of plotting to trick you, Liberator, into thinking the earth is a sphere where in reality we're all riding on the back of a huge turtle?
#68. To: FormerLurker (#49)
If you can't understand the most fundamental concepts of motion, you have no business even mentioning Einstein.
#69. To: Dakmar (#66)
#70. To: Dakmar, Pinguinite (#66)
#71. To: Liberator (#57)
Try watching and listening to the video.
#72. To: Liberator (#70)
Freedom is a social skill.
#73. To: StraitGate (#71)
I have already investigated the flat earth question.
#74. To: Anthem (#72)
(Edited)
Why are wasting everyone's time and forum space with this nonsense?
#75. To: wudidiz (#1)
(Edited)
#76. To: Liberator (#73)
Thanks for letting me know who NOT to take seriously
#77. To: Pinguinite (#50)
My theory is that the human mind has a greatly underestimated ability to believe things that are not true. Massively underestimated. It's the reason why some Muslims blow themselves up, why people hate Trump so much, why countries are largely one specific religion over vast periods of time, and so on. It's a basis for deception something we are all subject to and I don't consider anyone immune, including myself.
#78. To: Liberator (#51)
Thanks for trying to be fair & open-minded to even that degree. Respect. But honestly and objectively? At least 150 of Dubay's "Proofs" are "compelling". Seriously.
#79. To: Pinguinite (#78)
#4 doesn't even make the slightest amount of sense. Maybe you can explain why he thinks the Gulf of Mexico is 11 miles higher than the American mid-west?
#80. To: BTP Holdings (#79)
If the Gulf were higher than the mid-west there would be a lot of ground under water that is not now. ;)
#81. To: Liberator (#75)
#82. To: Pinguinite (#81)
A witness....
#83. To: Pinguinite, BTP Holdings (#78)
Statute Miles Away Maths = Drop 1 1 x 1 x 8 = 8 Inches 2 2 x 2 x 8 = 32 Inches 3 3 x 3 x 8 / 12 = 6 Feet 4 4 x 4 x 8 / 12 = 10 Feet 5 5 x 5 x 8 / 12 = 16 Feet 6 6 x 6 x 8 / 12 = 24 Feet 7 7 x 7 x 8 / 12 = 32 Feet 8 8 x 8 x 8 / 12 = 42 Feet 9 9 x 9 x 8 / 12 = 54 Feet 10 10 x 10 x 8 / 12 = 66 Feet 
The mathematics
#84. To: Liberator (#82)
#85. To: Liberator (#83)
#86. To: Liberator (#64)
AND...you "know" this BECAUSE...???
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#87. To: Liberator, Dakmar (#65)
If you're standing mid-ocean with a 360 degree view, are you able to see what would theoretically be a 28 mile radius? If so, would that provide a wide enough view of level horizon in your opinion?
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#88. To: Pinguinite (#85)
#89. To: Liberator (#67)
(Edited)
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#90. To: Liberator (#82)
The South Pole is fake
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#91. To: Liberator (#83)
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#92. To: Liberator (#68)
Newton's laws of motion are three physical laws that, together, laid the foundation for classical mechanics. They describe the relationship between a body and the forces acting upon it, and its motion in response to those forces. More precisely, the first law defines the force qualitatively, the second law offers a quantitative measure of the force, and the third asserts that a single isolated force doesn't exist. These three laws have been expressed in several ways, over nearly three centuries,[a] and can be summarised as follows:
In an inertial frame of reference, an object either remains at rest or continues to move at a constant velocity, unless acted upon by a force.[2][3]
In an inertial frame of reference, the vector sum of the forces F on an object is equal to the mass m of that object multiplied by the acceleration a of the object: F = ma. (It is assumed here that the mass m is constant – see below.)
When one body exerts a force on a second body, the second body simultaneously exerts a force equal in magnitude and opposite in direction on the first body.
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#93. To: Pinguinite (#81)
#94. To: StraitGate (#71)
watch a 2 hour video asserting that water is dry
#95. To: FormerLurker (#87)
(Edited)
Water always follows the curvature of the earth.
#96. To: Dakmar (#18)
But the batter is a liquid, there is no friction. :)
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#97. To: Dakmar (#95)
(Edited)
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#98. To: Liberator (#75)
The Bible is the very first "Flat Earth" book; Flat Earth is proven via observation, by common sense, by REAL science.
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#99. To: Liberator (#75)
Some people -- no matter how intelligent -- do not and will not ever admit that they have been bamboozled their entire lives with THE Mother of ALL Lies, backed up by Masonic/Talmudic lies regarding Heliocentrism, Gravity, Earth Movement, Evolution, and of course, Einstein's phony theory of "Relativity."
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#100. To: Liberator (#75)
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#101. To: FormerLurker (#96)
all substances can exert friction, including air and water.
#102. To: Liberator (#83)
(Edited)
Freedom is a social skill.
#103. To: Anthem (#102)
I've got to hand it to you, with over 100 replies this is the most successful troll I've ever seen on the 4um.
#104. To: FormerLurker (#100)
(Edited)
#105. To: FormerLurker (#100)
#106. To: FormerLurker (#99)
I KNEW I spotted you claiming you're more brilliant than Einstein somewhere, and I found an example right there.
#107. To: FormerLurker (#99)
So you don't believe there is a force called gravity eh? LOL!!!!!
#108. To: FormerLurker (#99)
(Edited)
Gravity. PROVE IT.
Earth Movement. PROVE IT.
Evolution. PROVE IT.
Einstein's Theory of "Relativity" (HINT: It's called " THEORY".) So PROVE it is MORE than just a "Theory."
"Globe" Earth: PROVE IT
Antarctica "Explorers of THE CONTINENT": PROVE IT
"Big Bang": PROVE IT
#109. To: wudidiz (#0)
#110. To: Liberator, HAPPY2BME-4UM (#108)
#111. To: NeoconsNailed, wudidiz (#109)
#112. To: NeoconsNailed (#110)
Science is supposed to be physically provable and repeatable ;-)
#113. To: Liberator (#111)
Truth is a beautiful thing.
#114. To: NeoconsNailed (#110)
#115. To: NeoconsNailed (#113)
It is, my brothah! (Sistah?)
#116. To: Liberator (#114)
#117. To: Liberator (#107)
"Gravity" is NOT a natural force that is proven.
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#118. To: Liberator (#108)
PROVE IT.
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#119. To: Liberator (#104)
In *your* mind, you've ALL the answers. That's BE-CAUSE...you've/we've all been taught or rather indoctrinated with the very same history, science, math, and especially so-called "TRUTH" in public school, on TV, in Movies, in the Mainstream Media. AND... we know of course THEY wouldn't lie to you or me or all of us. OR WOULD THEY?
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#120. To: FormerLurker (#119)
I'm not sure if you're really the scatter brained anti-science whacko you pretend to be here, or if you're a troll that purposely acts like a nutjob in order to discredit everything else you say, as well as those who agree with you on other topics via guilt by association.
#121. To: StraitGate (#120)
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#122. To: FormerLurker (#121)
#123. To: NeoconsNailed (#116)
(Edited)
After two phony World War involvements the sheeple should have seen right through the Gulf of Tonkin fraud, or at least demanded positive proof.
#124. To: FormerLurker (#121)
#125. To: Liberator (#123)
HOW in the world did the 'Patriot Act' even pass enactment & approval when it wasn't even read by members of Congress??
#126. To: NeoconsNailed (#125)
The arch-scum used the oldest trick in the book: pressing the "foreign threat" or "Hitler of the year" button.
#127. To: FormerLurker (#119)
GPS uses SATELLITES.
#128. To: Liberator (#124)
Whoa, Cowboy.
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#129. To: Liberator (#126)
NN, looks like the trickster Globalists/Neos *still* think they can trot out their phony intel out of Foggy Bottom and have it sold, no questions asked.
#130. To: Liberator (#126)
"If they can get you asking the wrong questions, they don't have to worry about answers" ~ Thomas Pynchon Gravity's Rainbow
#131. To: Liberator, All (#130)
"If they can get you asking the wrong questions, they don't have to worry about answers" ~ Thomas Pynchon Gravity's Rainbow
#132. To: Liberator (#126)
Pompeo's silly bait on the Irani General hit and ridiculous justification.
#133. To: BTP Holdings (#132)
We know that Pompeo is a neocon. But could you enlighten us on what his "silly bait" was? ;)
#134. To: NeoconsNailed (#129)
It looks like it just goes on forever.
#135. To: wudidiz (#130)
#136. To: wudidiz (#131)
"You must get rid of those nineteenth-century ideas about the laws of Nature....'We control matter because we control the mind. Reality is inside the skull. "
#137. To: FormerLurker (#128)
I was merely responding to your comments and presenting my observations.
#138. To: Liberator (#134)
the lunacy of the Hate-America Leftist-Fascism
#139. To: NeoconsNailed (#138)
#140. To: Liberator, All (#139)
"If they can get you asking the wrong questions, they don't have to worry about answers" ~ Thomas Pynchon Gravity's Rainbow
#141. To: wudidiz (#140)
(Edited)
#142. To: wudidiz (#140)
#143. To: NeoconsNailed, wudidiz (#141)
Fake Moon landing yes! And isn't it liberating to know it. Love that gold foil -- real purty ;)
#144. To: Liberator (#143)
#145. To: NeoconsNailed (#144)
(Edited)
#146. To: NeoconsNailed (#144)
#147. To: Liberator (#142)
Google censoring flat earth
"If they can get you asking the wrong questions, they don't have to worry about answers" ~ Thomas Pynchon Gravity's Rainbow
#148. To: Liberator (#145)
(Edited)
As a matter of a strange code of sorts, the PTB always give away the truth in the open what they do or *will* do. They leave it up to us whether we embrace it or ignore it.
#149. To: wudidiz, NeoconsNailed, 4 Truthers (#147)
(Edited)
#150. To: NeoconsNailed (#148)
Yes -- they sometimes throw the chance to accept, reject or condone yet more BS on us. And I'm thoroughly convinced that most of the time they openly flaunt their evils for the sheer glee of knowing it will merely bring more glassy stares from the Stockholm-syndrome-dazed sheeples.
#151. To: NeoconsNailed (#148)
Thanks for this movie -- I'm a movieologist ;-) and my specialty of course is their intersection with politically-incorrect reality.
#152. To: Liberator (#151)
(You watched the 'Truman Show', right?)
#153. To: Liberator, All (#149)
G00gle censoring Medical Cures? The Bible?
#154. To: wudidiz (#131)
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#155. To: Liberator (#137)
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#156. To: Liberator, NeoconsNailed, 4 Truthers (#149)
G00GLE IS MASKING AND HIDING THINGS THEY DO NOT WANT KNOWN.
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#157. To: Liberator, NeoconsNailed (#143)
It's hard to believe anyone with an analytical eye and brain still believes the NASA "Moon Landings." (Or most any govt agency at face value.)
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#158. To: FormerLurker (#155)
#159. To: BTP Holdings (#158)
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#160. To: FormerLurker (#157)
#161. To: FormerLurker (#156)
#162. To: NeoconsNailed (#160)
If there are reflectors up there, FormerLurker -- which I doubt -- it doesn't prove men walked on the moon.
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#163. To: NeoconsNailed (#161)
How the CIA made Google
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#164. To: wudidiz (#140)
By turning earth into a spinning, thrown around the Sun, shot into infinite space from a God-less big bang, they turned humanity into a random meaningless, purposeless accident of a blind dumb universe.
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#165. To: FormerLurker (#163)
#166. To: FormerLurker (#162)
#167. To: NeoconsNailed, wudidiz (#152)
Did you or somebody else mention that ['The Truman Show'] recently? Sounds fun in wikip, I see vudu has it.
#168. To: NeoconsNailed, wudidiz (#153)
(Edited)
Google and Youtube strategically claim to be forums, not publishers -- but all this CENSORSHIP blatantly proves otherwise.
#169. To: FormerLurker, wudidiz (#154)
Have you always been like this wud? You DID appear to be a bit of an oddball at times...
2) Dismiss Truth
3) Remain mired in ignorance (Accept the world that has been presented to you)
#170. To: FormerLurker (#155)
"Blah-blah...yada-yada...Zealot...cult..troll...wacky...blah-blah"
#171. To: NeoconsNailed, FormerLurker (#160)
If there are reflectors up there, FormerLurker -- which I doubt -- it doesn't prove men walked on the moon.
#172. To: FormerLurker, NeoconsNailed (#162)
Did you even look at the list of references at the bottom of the page?
#173. To: NeoconsNailed (#165)
Merely bringing more proof of the most popular search engine's pure NWO origins.
#174. To: NeoconsNailed, wudidiz (#166)
2:50
#175. To: Liberator, Earth (#174)
#176. To: Liberator (#173)
#177. To: Liberator (#172)
#178. To: Liberator (#171)
#179. To: Liberator (#168)
Rep (Ms. Downes (appears to be an obvious Trans-Critter.)
#180. To: Liberator (#167)
#181. To: Liberator (#169)
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#182. To: Liberator (#170)
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#183. To: Liberator (#172)
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#184. To: NeoconsNailed (#178)
Please don't be too hard on good old FormerLurker -- we urgently need him. The reflectors are a part of the space-race culture -- very famous stuff, and while I know no men ever went to the moon I give the mirrors a 1/10 of 1% chance of having made it up there.
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#185. To: All (#184)
#186. To: titorite (#185)
Don't look at the expanding earth theory.
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#187. To: titorite (#185)
That's right everyone just keep debating this.
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#188. To: FormerLurker (#186)
#189. To: titorite (#188)
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#190. To: FormerLurker (#184)
Bro, I've delt with hard core shills such as BeAChooser and Yukon, along with all their associates back at LP, and prior to that the horde of dumbasses on FR.
#191. To: FormerLurker (#189)
"If they can get you asking the wrong questions, they don't have to worry about answers" ~ Thomas Pynchon Gravity's Rainbow
#192. To: All (#191)
"If they can get you asking the wrong questions, they don't have to worry about answers" ~ Thomas Pynchon Gravity's Rainbow
#193. To: All (#192)
"If they can get you asking the wrong questions, they don't have to worry about answers" ~ Thomas Pynchon Gravity's Rainbow
#194. To: All (#193)
"“It is natural for man to indulge in the illusions of hope. We are apt to shut our eyes against a painful truth, and listen to the song of that siren till she transforms us into beasts. For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth, to know the worst, and to provide for it.” ~ Patrick Henry
#195. To: All (#194)
“It is natural for man to indulge in the illusions of hope. We are apt to shut our eyes against a painful truth, and listen to the song of that siren till she transforms us into beasts. For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth, to know the worst, and to provide for it.” ~ Patrick Henry
#196. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt, All (#195)
“It is natural for man to indulge in the illusions of hope. We are apt to shut our eyes against a painful truth, and listen to the song of that siren till she transforms us into beasts. For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth, to know the worst, and to provide for it.” ~ Patrick Henry
#197. To: titorite, All (#196)
“It is natural for man to indulge in the illusions of hope. We are apt to shut our eyes against a painful truth, and listen to the song of that siren till she transforms us into beasts. For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth, to know the worst, and to provide for it.” ~ Patrick Henry
#198. To: noone222, All (#197)
(Edited)
“The individual is handicapped by coming face-to-face with a conspiracy so monstrous he cannot believe it exists.” ~ J. Edgar Hoover
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." ~ Edward Bernays
#199. To: christine, All (#198)
"The men the American people admire most extravagantly are the most daring liars; the men they detest most violently are those who try to tell them the truth." ~ H.L. Mencken
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." ~ Edward Bernays
#200. To: Liberator, All (#199)
2 hunnerd
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." ~ Edward Bernays
#201. To: Liberator (#174)
It is extremely difficult to un-wind 60 years (or so) of constant "globe" mind-control, mental imprinting and programming.
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." ~ Edward Bernays
#202. To: All (#201)
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." ~ Edward Bernays
#203. To: NeoconsNailed, wudidiz, 4 (#175)
(Edited)
Please let us have those youtubes -- I want it ALL.
#204. To: NeoconsNailed, wudidiz, Earth (#175)
(Edited)
Yes my brotha, we can understand their feelings, but it's such ecstasy to have a massive new rocks to throw at Goliath.
#205. To: Liberator (#204)
#206. To: NeoconsNailed (#205)
.... speaking truth to power. Didn't mean it re folks here of course, though I'm ever on the brink of saying more 10 words than discretion would allow.
#207. To: wudidiz (#202)
#208. To: wudidiz, 4 (#201)
(Edited)
#209. To: Liberator (#203)
#210. To: NeoconsNailed (#190)
Their images sometimes flicker where the ISS they're supposedly speaking from doesn't and that spells only one thing: f-r-a-u-d.
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#211. To: wudidiz (#191)
take a picture of the earth's curve with your own camera and post it here. oh, you can't. there is no curve. none. checkmate. earth is flat
On a clear day, you can see for miles and miles and miles.
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#212. To: Liberator (#208)
SPECTACULAR maxims.
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#213. To: Liberator (#204)
Moreover, as Jesus said:
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#214. To: Liberator (#204)
AMEN!
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#215. To: wudidiz (#192)
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#216. To: FormerLurker (#210)
#217. To: NeoconsNailed (#216)
#218. To: All, wudidiz, Liberator (#211)
(Edited)
So if you're in the middle of the ocean and you're 6 feet tall, you can only see an area of about 9 square miles.
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#219. To: NeoconsNailed (#216)
(Edited)
Am eagerly awaiting your explanation why NASA spokesmen including astronots are yammering about finally getting people into outer space as if Apollo never existed.
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#220. To: FormerLurker (#219)
#221. To: titorite (#217)
We know the ISS is up there
#222. To: NeoconsNailed (#220)
(Edited)
I've posted it plenty -- look it up if you want (you won't). "I skip really whacked out videos" -- read my lips, these are NASA productions.
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#223. To: FormerLurker (#222)
One question though. Why do you think men couldn't orbit the earth in a space capsule, shuttle, or space station?
#224. To: NeoconsNailed (#223)
Because NASA says so.
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#225. To: NeoconsNailed (#223)
Because NASA says so.
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#226. To: FormerLurker (#224)
Post credible references if any exist.
#227. To: FormerLurker (#225)
#228. To: NeoconsNailed (#226)
Search it here yourself if you're that interested (you're not).
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#229. To: NeoconsNailed (#227)
"Nonsensical argument" -- ROFL ROFL ROFL!!!
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#230. To: FormerLurker (#229)
#231. To: Dakmar (#230)
#232. To: NeoconsNailed (#227)
(Edited)
"Nonsensical argument"
#233. To: NeoconsNailed, wudidiz, titorite, AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt, noone (#226)
#234. To: NeoconsNailed, wudidiz, titorite, AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt, noone, Dakmar, All (#233)
#235. To: Liberator (#234)
#236. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt, NeoconNailed, wudiziz (#235)
hate to sound like a broken record, but titles, please? I can't see anything here but a message about a security certificate.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8udts...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nS0VN...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ss7QT...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IIB2U...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k0xCl...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SRhZI...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9jnse...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_jyLG...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJ5HJ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aFFM3...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IQQOh...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZXkCg...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fmoiw...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S9i97...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ARp2j...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KcqFD...
#237. To: wudidiz (#236)
#238. To: Liberator, NeoconsNailed (#232)
I don't know many Third Graders who can understand learned subject matter from a senior in HS. Even if explained carefully to a Third Grader, the extra nine years of accumulated information from the HS Seniors will rarely "make sense" for obvious reasons. Ergo the Third Grader will dismiss it as "stupid."
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#239. To: Liberator (#236)
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#240. To: FormerLurker (#238)
Why do objects fall to the ground if dropped?
#241. To: Liberator (#234)
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#242. To: Liberator (#240)
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#243. To: Liberator (#240)
Simple case of Mass & Density.
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#244. To: All (#243)
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#245. To: FormerLurker (#239)
You apparently have no clue as to the fact people have known that the earth was a sphere orbiting the sun for at least 500 years.
#246. To: FormerLurker (#243)
You need a force to move an object.
#247. To: FormerLurker (#243)
When you push a box across the floor you have to exert a force upon that box for it to move.
#248. To: All (#244)
(Edited)
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#249. To: FormerLurker (#241)
...it asserts that the video is somehow "fake" at the bottom of the screen. That is absurd.
#250. To: Liberator (#249)
At 4:23, what point is being made, and what context?
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#251. To: FormerLurker (#248)
(Edited)
And do you flat earth people not understand that the force of gravity is calculated as follows?
#252. To: FormerLurker (#250)
It asserts that the Gemini video of the space walk is fake.
#253. To: Liberator (#249)
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#254. To: Liberator (#251)
There's air pressure to consider -- as well as mass and density in relation to the mass and density of surrounding media.
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#255. To: Liberator (#251)
(Edited)
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#256. To: FormerLurker (#249)
the link between JPL,Crowley, and Hubbard was a very curious thing.
#257. To: Liberator (#252)
But for the sake of argument, do you believe the "space walk" event is occurring in low earth orbit?
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#258. To: Liberator (#256)
I realize you disbelieve the Bible, but the description of our realm is discussed throughout in Scripture. It speaks of God's "Firmament," which according to the Bible is a "Glass Dome" of sorts. WITHIN this Firmament is (according to Scripture as well as many observers as late as the 1930s) lie the Sun and Moon.
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#259. To: Liberator (#256)
(Edited)
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#260. To: FormerLurker (#253)
There are lots of things that are well known and established fact.
#261. To: Liberator (#260)
Yes...As well as many key "established" theories which are erroneously considered "facts." THIS is an ongoing big problem for institutional "Science."
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#262. To: Liberator (#260)
IF it were truly "objective," the Lies would be dismissed and ridiculed instead of the Truth.
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#263. To: FormerLurker (#258)
(Edited)
The Bible was written by men, and those men were far from infallible.
#264. To: Liberator (#260)
Once you see it all unfold before you, you don't nor ever can go back.
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#265. To: Liberator (#263)
(Edited)
Yes, I believe EVERY single word in it.
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#266. To: Liberator (#263)
(Edited)
Moreover its prophecies thus far have all been proven true. WHAT are the odds?)
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#267. To: FormerLurker (#262)
You can not argue against facts, you can only try to twist those facts using lies.
#268. To: FormerLurker (#266)
I must have missed the one about men flying.
#269. To: FormerLurker (#266)
#270. To: Liberator (#267)
I can't make you believe or disbelieve observations and facts against your will. And wouldn't want to.
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#271. To: FormerLurker, NeoconsNailed, wudidiz (#238)
(Edited)
Apparently you didn't read what was being discussed.
#272. To: Liberator (#234)
(Edited)
#273. To: Liberator (#271)
Again -- Been there, done that. It's ALL hypothetical BS presented as FACT.
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#274. To: NeoconsNailed (#272)
The rebuttal I hear is that jet planes thrust against the air, with rockets it's things exploding away from each other -- something like that. Didn't sound very plausible either.
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#275. To: FormerLurker, NeoconsNailed, wudidiz, NASA Fanbois (#274)
Jet engines burn fuel by mixing air with the fuel.
#276. To: NeoconsNailed (#272)
#277. To: NeoconsNailed (#272)
Who's the guy speaking at 19:45? Looks familiar.......
#278. To: FormerLurker (#273)
(Edited)
#279. To: FormerLurker (#253)
(Edited)
The earth is still a sphere, and the sun is but one star out of an unimaginable number.
#280. To: Liberator (#275)
Ok, so you admit the REAL science that AIR and/or LIQUID OXYGEN is required to combust fuel..
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#281. To: Liberator (#275)
EXTRA CREDIT QUESTION (Anybody):
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#282. To: Liberator (#275)
One need to suspend all logic, common sense AND known "Science" to accept this series of NASA Moon-Mission HOAXES at face value to begin with.
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#283. To: Liberator (#275)
I realize we ALL bought the Fairy Tale from NASA and the "Scientific Communitah," but it is TIME TO WAKE UP!!
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#284. To: Liberator (#278)
But now with the REAL truth readily available to us, myself and countless others are finally REJECTING THE INITIAL PROGRAMMING AS PURE 100% BS.
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#285. To: Liberator (#279)
(Edited)
BECAUSE....
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#286. To: All (#285)
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#287. To: FormerLurker (#283)
Yes dude, all the educated people on earth are crazy and you're the brilliant one...you've never learned ANYTHING at ALL about science.
#288. To: FormerLurker (#286)
Here's a question for flat earthers. Which way is north on a flat earth map?
#289. To: Liberator (#287)
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#290. To: Liberator (#288)
It's beyond your grasp.
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#291. To: FormerLurker (#284)
Are you REALLY that stupid and ignorant? Or have you been drugged and brainwashed?
#292. To: FormerLurker (#290)
#293. To: Liberator (#287)
NEWSFLASH:
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#294. To: Liberator (#292)
And lose the ridiculously humongous "ORWELL" quote and photo avatar.
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#295. To: Liberator (#291)
Q: If the Three Stooges wore NASA lab coats, would you most trust Curley to run 'Mission Control'?
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#296. To: Liberator (#287)
There's HARD science -- proven by repeatable scientific experiments, measurements, math, and observation -- and there's SOFT "science" -- THOSE are the un-proven, THEORETICAL about Earth-Space "Science" ones you and many others swallow without investigation or scrutiny.
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#297. To: Liberator (#292)
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#298. To: Liberator (#292)
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#299. To: FormerLurker, ALL (#286)
(Edited)
Here's a question for flat earthers. Which way is north on a flat earth map?
#300. To: FormerLurker (#298)
You can't seem to understand the most basic of concepts that men have known for centuries by observation, experimentation, and exploration.
#301. To: Liberator (#299)
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#302. To: Liberator (#299)
(Edited)
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#303. To: All (#299)
(Edited)
#304. To: Liberator (#300)
You are totally misled and/or ignorant on this issue. (with all due respect)
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#305. To: Liberator (#303)
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#306. To: FormerLurker (#302)
#307. To: FormerLurker (#305)
What is fire?
#308. To: Liberator (#303)
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#309. To: Liberator (#307)
It's what your pants are on as you continue to masquerade as a lab coat expert of "science."
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#310. To: FormerLurker (#304)
#311. To: Liberator (#307)
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#312. To: Liberator (#310)
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#313. To: Liberator (#310)
(Edited)
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#314. To: Liberator (#277)
#315. To: NeoconsNailed (#314)
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#316. To: FormerLurker (#315)
#317. To: NeoconsNailed, wudidiz, 4 (#314)
Apparently I was wrong about Adm. Byrd being given the Ezra Pound treatment (consigned to a nut house to shut him up) -- can't find a trace of any such thing online. But here's the wild stuff he brought back, minus the formatting:
#318. To: FormerLurker, NeoconsNailed (#315)
(Edited)
...He sees you as a whacky theory comrade and needs your support.
#319. To: Liberator (#317)
#320. To: Liberator (#318)
#321. To: Liberator (#318)
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#322. To: NeoconsNailed (#316)
Well he knows how to be civil, I'll give him that.
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#323. To: NeoconsNailed (#320)
Now now, don't bite the bait or give any either.
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#324. To: FormerLurker, NeoconsNailed (#323)
Now now, don't bite the bait or give any either.
#325. To: FormerLurker (#322)
(Edited)
#326. To: NeoconsNailed (#325)
You started the scrapping, bro -- and over the shape of the earth!?! That is RIDICULOUS.
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#327. To: FormerLurker (#326)
#328. To: NeoconsNailed (#327)
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#329. To: Dakmar (#38)
Power lines over Lake Pontchartrain elegantly demonstrate the curvature of Earth
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#330. To: NeoconsNailed (#327)
(Edited)
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#331. To: FormerLurker (#330)
(Edited)
#332. To: FormerLurker (#328)
#333. To: NeoconsNailed (#332)
You see? That's not what I said. You're so overwrought you're misquoting me.
It's inconceivable they've salted the 911 truth movement with flat earthers to discredit it.
You say it's INCONCEIVABLE that the government would try to discredit the 9/11 truth movement? HUH?????
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#334. To: FormerLurker (#333)
#335. To: NeoconsNailed (#334)
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#336. To: FormerLurker, Neoconsnailed, Liberator, all (#335)
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." ~ Edward Bernays
#337. To: wudidiz (#336)
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#338. To: FormerLurker (#335)
#339. To: wudidiz (#336)
#340. To: NeoconsNailed (#338)
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#341. To: NeoconsNailed (#338)
"Isn't that the gist of the Byrd story......? Not from my POV. In your spluttering rage
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#342. To: FormerLurker (#341)
#343. To: FormerLurker (#340)
#344. To: NeoconsNailed (#342)
The harder I try to grab hold of anything definitely strange in his regard (including right now) the more elusive it gets.
Admiral Byrd's Hollow Earth Story
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#345. To: NeoconsNailed (#343)
Am impressed by your scientific grasp of things
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#346. To: FormerLurker (#345)
I've always loved science as well as scifi..
#347. To: BTP Holdings, FormerLurker (#346)
#348. To: StraitGate (#347)
In my youth I read a lot of scifi -- especially Asimov
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#349. To: BTP Holdings (#346)
I bet you just loved the Star Trek series too. ;)
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#350. To: Liberator (#236)
#351. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#350)
I would LOVE LOVE LOVE for flat earth to be true! That would sure make Babylon fall in an hour.
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