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Title: Iraq Parliment Votes to Expel US Troops (with comments at FR)
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URL Source: http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/3805717/posts
Published: Jan 5, 2020
Author: from Wall St. Journal
Post Date: 2020-01-05 10:55:51 by Lod
Keywords: Enjoy the comments
Views: 864
Comments: 34

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#1. To: Lod (#0)

I hope Trump agrees and sets a timetable.

This is a resolution and non binding.

Trump should agree, give a timetable and warn of consequences if anyone interferes.

Trump will be berated about leaving friends etc etc. What a horrible thing to do.

Carlson would at once demand Trump be impeached.

Cynicom  posted on  2020-01-05   11:16:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

X22 tells us that the hit on Soleimani was as much a strike on the Deep State here as it was a blow against the militant Islamists in Iran.

randge  posted on  2020-01-05   11:22:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Few know that Peter Stzrok grew up in Iran and that Lisa Pages mother is Iranian.

Nothing to see here, move on, impeach Trump.

Cynicom  posted on  2020-01-05   11:27:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Few know that Peter Stzrok grew up in Iran and that Lisa Pages mother is Iranian.

Damn. Who knew that the swamp was that deep? thanks.

“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken

Lod  posted on  2020-01-05   11:31:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Damn. Who knew that the swamp was that deep? thanks.

There are more...John Kerry (Kohn) has daughter married to Iranian.

Trump haters here and Carlson should follow the money ties.

Cynicom  posted on  2020-01-05   11:48:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

follow the money

Like in the Wizard of Oz, "Follow the yellow brick road." Or follow the gold. ;)

"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke

BTP Holdings  posted on  2020-01-05   11:53:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

From the Freep link:

Hezbollah, threatened lawmakers who failed to show up at the session or vote in favor of a law to evict U.S. forces, branding them “traitors.”

It is plain to see the Iraqi lawmakers are under extreme pressure to conform. ;)

"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke

BTP Holdings  posted on  2020-01-05   12:02:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Yeah, it's no wonder that fluent Persian speakers like Stzrok have ranked so high in the apparatus.

Iran & the Brotherhood are of chief importance in the deep state's calculations.

randge  posted on  2020-01-05   14:18:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Thousands of Iranians living in CA. refer to themselves as "Persians" not Iranians.

Cynicom  posted on  2020-01-05   14:25:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

If Trump withdraws, the Middle East will be a killing field, a bloody mess.

Our place will be taken by most likely Russia. Russia and China both know how to deal with ragheads, they shoot them or throw in concentration camps. It is estimated now that China has about a million ragheads in gulags.

Cynicom  posted on  2020-01-05   14:33:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Yes, I've noticed that phenomenon.

For years, the polite and/or customary thing was to refer to the language as "Farsi."

Today, not so much. It's Persian.

Make of that what you will. : )

randge  posted on  2020-01-05   14:33:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

It is estimated now that China has about a million ragheads in gulags.

Muslim expats from China complain that many of their graveyards have been erased in the last few years alone. They are said to number over 100.

Beijing doesn't screw around. They respect no potentially competing doctrines.

We hear that images of Jesus are being replaced by pictures of Xi in Chinese churches.

randge  posted on  2020-01-05   14:41:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

BS. Trump hit an enemy of Zionism and ISIS. The Deep State loves both.

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Horse  posted on  2020-01-05   14:50:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Breaking up the Ottoman empire may have been less than genius.

“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken

Lod  posted on  2020-01-05   14:57:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Damn. Who knew that the swamp was that deep? thanks.

The deep state swamp is very much domestic, not foreign. It's about career gov workers that have been at their jobs for 25, 35 years or more who think they know better how to run the US than the electorate does. It's not about loyalties to foreign entities at all. It's about loyalties to their own selfish ideals.

Pinguinite  posted on  2020-01-05   15:08:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

It's about loyalties to their own selfish ideals.

And keeping their long worked for pensions secure. ;)

"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke

BTP Holdings  posted on  2020-01-05   15:12:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Thousands of Iranians living in CA. refer to themselves as "Persians" not Iranians.

Wouldn't blame them. Probably safer that way, but yes, Persian would seemingly refer to a culture, Iranian a nation. Probably more pride that way. Persia alludes to much more ancient roots, and predates Islam itself by some 1500 years.

Pinguinite  posted on  2020-01-05   15:13:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

If Trump withdraws, the Middle East will be a killing field, a bloody mess.

No more than it is already.

Our place will be taken by most likely Russia.

Agreed. Russia would be much more welcome there, as they are pretty much allies of Iran, and of course Syria. Putin would love to have a 3 contiguous nation block allied with him in Iran, Iraq and Syria.

Pinguinite  posted on  2020-01-05   15:16:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

It's not about loyalties to foreign entities at all. It's about loyalties to their own selfish ideals.

Which is true, but those loyalties don't prevent them from mucking about with foreign entities like internationalist reds or the muslim brotherhood.

They share agents, financial arrangements and propaganda outlets with them.

(Edit)

BTW with regard to "Iraq Parliment Votes to Expel US Troops" this is another tempest in a piss-pot that the "media" love to amplify.

Be cognisant that the Iraqi parliment barely had a quorum to pass this non-binding resolution to present to a lame duck administration that will have to pass it on to the next executive in a matter of months. Quite near half the assembly was not present as Sunni Arab and Kurdish representatives had boycotted the session.

Once there's an actual statutory declaration related to the end of foreign forces on their soil, the US and Iraqi government will then have months to work out how the US exit will take place. So this action is not the earthshaker it's been made out to be.

And that's not to say that I give a fig what any of these guys think. If I had my druthers all our peeps would be home tomorrow.

randge  posted on  2020-01-05   15:28:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Be cognisant that the Iraqi parliment barely had a quorum to pass this non-binding resolution to present to a lame duck administration that will have to pass it on to the next executive in a matter of months.

I heard it was non-binding, and I can certainly believe the Kurds are too loyal to the US, having no love for the rest of Iraq. And naturally, the Sunnis aren't going to do anything to help the Shia majority. I guess it comes down to how much outrage & Iraqi pride the head honcho there has, and how effective the US state department and/or CIA will be in persuading him. But if they don't expel the US, it will really be an expression of Iraqis being dogs, serving themselves up to being walked on and butchered at will by their American masters. Americans kill a high ranking Iraqi military office in direct violation of the Iraq/US agreement (or so they claim) and Iraq responds by doing.... nothing. That's a strong pill for any patriotic Iraqi to swallow.

There's another consideration. If war is coming between the US and Iran, and Iraq has US bases in its borders, it's going to be caught up in the conflict. If Iraq orders the US out, then Iraq will be much more out of harm's way.

Pinguinite  posted on  2020-01-05   22:27:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

That's a strong pill for any patriotic Iraqi to swallow.

Not to disparage anything that you say or to diminish what individual Iraqis might say of their nation, but how much patriotism of the sort that we commonly think of can there be in a country created by the British & derived from a kingdom that only achieved independence from Britain in 1932?

That whole place is a sad basket of unresolved loyalties.

randge  posted on  2020-01-06   13:26:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Trump should exit Iraq yesterday.

Cynicom  posted on  2020-01-06   14:09:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

If Trump withdraws, the Middle East will be a killing field, a bloody mess.

Wait - wasn't one of Trump's campaign promises to get us out?

Seems to me that he lied about that as well.

As 3,500 Soldiers Deploy, a ‘Whirlwind’ Whips Through Fort Bragg

Well, that should make the neocon warmomgers happy.

Bill D Berger  posted on  2020-01-06   14:12:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Little regional wars have a nasty habit of spreading.

Some time ago friend of mine went to Iraq. He was CO of health sanitation unit or some such.

Basic training for Iraq recruits???? Instruct them what toilet paper was for and how to use it. He was appalled, did his year and came home. Later army offered him Lt. Col. if he would volunteer for another year in Iraq. He retired.

Bush took us there and the SOB should be made to do a tour there.

Cynicom  posted on  2020-01-06   14:26:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Soleman was Iranian, not Iraqi, but you may be referring to someone else?

“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken

Lod  posted on  2020-01-06   16:39:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

That whole place is a sad basket of unresolved loyalties.

They just want to get back to their tribal/clan roots of killing each other, but we keep getting in their line of fire.

Cut our losses and leave, they're happy, and most Americans (outside the swamp) are happy.

“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken

Lod  posted on  2020-01-06   16:43:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Soleman was Iranian, not Iraqi, but you may be referring to someone else?

Yes. I understand a high ranking Iraqi military officer was also killed in the attack on Soleimani. Of course there were also 2 drivers and bodyguards, I think, no doubt Iraqi. Not high ranking military guys, but certainly no less a life than the US contractor whose death set off this latest chain of events.

Pinguinite  posted on  2020-01-06   18:50:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

They just want to get back to their tribal/clan roots of killing each other, but we keep getting in their line of fire.

Well put. And our being there, in Iraq, provides a truly fascist country in the name of Iran opportunity to maintain a foothold in neighboring territory.

randge  posted on  2020-01-06   19:21:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

And our being there, in Iraq, provides a truly fascist country in the name of Iran opportunity to maintain a foothold in neighboring territory.

Is Iran a Fascist country? I had not noticed the corporations running things there like they do elsewhere. ;)

"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke

BTP Holdings  posted on  2020-01-06   19:46:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I think that Trump finally got tired of this character running around the middle east, and the rest of the globe, fomenting incidents of terrorism against US and took action to stop him. No doubt there's already another one in the wings, but I doubt that he'll be quite as bold an actor as Soleman used to be.

Maybe he'll stay in Tehran and use his Twitter account, who knows?

“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken

Lod  posted on  2020-01-06   21:55:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Soleimani Was In Baghdad On Peace Mission To De-Escalate With Saudis: Report

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/soleimani-was-baghdad-diplomatic-mission-saudi-peace-iraq-pm

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Horse  posted on  2020-01-06   23:16:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I think that Trump finally got tired of this character running around the middle east, and the rest of the globe, fomenting incidents of terrorism against US and took action to stop him.

Well, you know what they say. One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.

What I've gathered from the reports about him in the MSM tells me he was a very skilled military tactician. I've heard no claim to suggest he murdered civilians in cold blood, which would qualify one as a terrorist. If so, then he was just a warrior who fought well for his country.

Pinguinite  posted on  2020-01-07   0:13:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

No doubt there's already another one in the wings,

Esmail Ghaani is quite as much a bad actor as his predecessor.

He made his bones in the Iran-Iraq war where he did not hesitate to send young boys to be killed in human-wave assaults upon Iraqi machine gun positions.

Countless nerds insist that on our side we hew to legalistic standards in all endeavors without regard to the fact the we face an apocalyptic adversary that fights with bolshevik-level ethics on and off the battlefield.

randge  posted on  2020-01-07   13:02:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

If so, then he was just a warrior who fought well for his country.

He should have stayed home and fought there against the defenseless mullah-protestors.

“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken

Lod  posted on  2020-01-07   13:54:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

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